SUBSIDENCE (The Very Worst of New Order)

This topic is in acknowledgement of our onliner friend Taboo - the List Thread Champion! - so it's another way of gathering together the ultimate dirty dozen of your most loathed/hated New Order moments onto one CD to throw back at the band - or their record company - or their legions of remixers. Absolutely anything is allowed - remixes, edits, radio mixes, demos - you list 'em... Let's see how far this goes then before everyone gets bored and starts talking about alcohol, breasts and football once again, heh heh...

(Rule: TWELVE SONGS is all you can list.)

With the exception of Regret, I hate most of the stuff on Republic. The songs were good, but the sound was too sterile.

1 - Slow Jam 2 - Slow Jam 3 - Slow Jam 4 - Slow Jam 5 - Slow Jam 6 - Slow Jam 7 - Slow Jam 8 - Slow Jam 9 - Slow Jam 10 - Slow Jam 11 - Slow Jam 12 - Slow Jam

The rest are miles better than this piece of shit!

All remixes post Spooky.There must be easily 12 of those fuckers.

except of course the Lee Coombs mix of Crystal right Mickey?

i would rather hear 11 minutes of the dull digweed dub than 3 seconds of Slow Jam.

Bollocks you lot - you should list the 12 songs properly to qualify - this just isn't good enough!! And you Shug - you disappoint me - if you hate World In Motion so much, then you should only take great pleasure in listing every possible remix/demix/acapella out-take/ceilidh folk deconstruction you can think of.... so let me get you started then....

1. Subbuteo mix
2. Keith Allen Vomit mix
3. hasta la vista mix

okay? good enough?

Originally posted by Shug 12?There's only 1 - but I'm not allowed to mention it anymore

do you mean r*** t** s*****?

Originally posted by Mickey Way All remixes post Spooky.There must be easily 12 of those fuckers.

Yeah, and you still find it in every fucking store and it seems it will last forever. Is it the remaining stock from 1993? Where are the good singles that you can't find anymore?

Originally posted by Geaux Hagen except of course the Lee Coombs mix of Crystal right Mickey?i would rather hear 11 minutes of the dull digweed dub than 3 seconds of Slow Jam.

You really hate it. Funny because Ilike it very much. specially the BBC Sesions version.

Originally posted by Hubert Mickle Bollocks you lot - you should list the 12 songs properly to qualify - this just isn't good enough!! And you Shug - you disappoint me - if you hate World In Motion so much, then you should only take great pleasure in listing every possible remix/demix/acapella out-take/ceilidh folk deconstruction you can think of....so let me get you started then....1) Subbuteo mix2) Keith Allen Vomit mix3) hasta la vista mixokay? good enough?

I really hate BLT remix in The rest of album. Where is the song anyway. It's another song with Barney's sampling voices.

Here's my list then:

1. Ruined In A Day (Bogle Sly & Robbie Mix #1)
2. BIZARRE LOVE TRIANGLE (ARMAND VAN HELDEN MIX)
3. Confusion (Pump Panel Reconstruction)
4. Ruined In A Day (Bogle Sly'n'Robbie Mix #2)
5. 60 mph (Supermen Lovers Mix)
6. 1963 (Lionrock mix)
7. Ruined In A Day (Bogle S'n'R mix #3)
8. Shame Of The Nation (Original mix)
9. Ruined In A day (Bogle S'n'R mix #4)
10. Blue Monday (hardfloor mixes)
11. 1963 (Joe T Vanelli Dubby Mix)
12. Ruined In A Day (Bogle S'n'R mix #5)

Pretty definitive then, if I may say so....

1. Ruined In A Day (any Reggae type mix, they all sound identical)
2. Run Wild (sorry I hate it.)
3. Every Little Counts
4. Liar
5. 60 Miles An Hour (Supermen Lovers)
6. Spooky (Boo! Dub Mix) <--- Doesnt have any samples even?
7. The Village
8. Weirdo
9. Turn The Heater On
10. Ultraviolence
11. The crap mixes of 1963 (all sound like crap, pick any)
12. World (Queen Bee Mix)

I've decided not to include remixes in my vote. So, if I focus on original songs, my Worst Of compilation would be:

1. World in fucking motion
2. World (not in motion, but the one that costs a lot to be loved)
3. Shellshock
4. State of the fucking nation
5. Liar
6. Chemical
7. Young offender
8. Touched by the hand of god
9. Mr Disco
10. Round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round & round
11. Bacon Lettuce & Tomato
12. Rocking carol

And if I'm allowed to make it a double CD like Substance, I would simply take Movement as CD2.

Originally posted by Geaux Hagen 1 - Slow Jam2 - Slow Jam3 - Slow Jam4 - Slow Jam5 - Slow Jam6 - Slow Jam7 - Slow Jam8 - Slow Jam9 - Slow Jam10 - Slow Jam11 - Slow Jam12 - Slow JamThe rest are miles better than this piece of shit!

I would agree with a slight modification: substitute We All Stand in half the spots.

Remixes should be banned really coz half the time it ain't really NO...but I'm gonna chuck a few in anyway

Slow Jam Chemical State of the Nation Elegia Anything of Movement except Dreams Never End In A Lonely PLace 1963'95 remixes The worst remix of all time: 60mph S'man Lovers mix The Armand Van Helden BLT atrocity That evil Touched...remix on Rest of Avalanche Times change

I love Elegia. that's being played at my funeral, that is.

Originally posted by ShugZV > Originally posted by Hubert Mickle> Bollocks you lot - you should list the 12 songs properly to qualify - this just isn't good enough!! And you Shug - you disappoint me - if you hate World In Motion so much, then you should only take great pleasure in listing every possible remix/demix/acapella out-take/ceilidh folk deconstruction you can think of....> so let me get you started then....> > 1) Subbuteo mix> 2) Keith Allen Vomit mix> 3) hasta la vista mix> > okay? good enough?> >

Very good mate, very good! Hooky Monster welcome back by the way Huberto got this one - I'm not allowed to mention it anymore I barred meself from slagging it any longer - so it's best if I don't even mention it;) Huberto - I'm glad remixes are allowed - 12? I could come up with many more What about - The whole of The Rest of (except the ones which are vaguely like the originals ) I promise I will do a list when I get back from the piss-up in Derby;)

ShugZV (what's the ZV bollocks all about now mate?) - the pissup tomorrow in Derby will affect your judgement so severely that you will probably be totally out of it for at least 48 hours before you even remember whot a computer screen looks like, never mind get round to listing your fave WIM remixes!!! dear oh dear....

Originally posted by Logan Edwards 1. Ruined In A Day (any Reggae type mix, they all sound identical)2. Run Wild (sorry I hate it.)3. Every Little Counts4. Liar5. 60 Miles An Hour (Supermen Lovers)6. Spooky (Boo! Dub Mix) <--- Doesnt have any samples even?7. The Village8. Weirdo9. Turn The Heater On10. Ultraviolence11. The crap mixes of 1963 (all sound like crap, pick any)12. World (Queen Bee Mix)

You've forgotten "WE ALL STAND"...surely? As for The Village, Weirdo...?????!!!!!!! Why???!!!

Originally posted by Logan Edwards 1. Ruined In A Day (any Reggae type mix, they all sound identical)2. Run Wild (sorry I hate it.)3. Every Little Counts4. Liar5. 60 Miles An Hour (Supermen Lovers)6. Spooky (Boo! Dub Mix) <--- Doesnt have any samples even?7. The Village8. Weirdo9. Turn The Heater On10. Ultraviolence11. The crap mixes of 1963 (all sound like crap, pick any)12. World (Queen Bee Mix)

The Village, Weirdo, Ultraviolence?!

Originally posted by Mickey Way > Originally posted by Logan Edwards> 1. Ruined In A Day (any Reggae type mix, they all sound identical)> 2. Run Wild (sorry I hate it.)> 3. Every Little Counts> 4. Liar> 5. 60 Miles An Hour (Supermen Lovers)> 6. Spooky (Boo! Dub Mix) <--- Doesnt have any samples even?> 7. The Village> 8. Weirdo> 9. Turn The Heater On> 10. Ultraviolence> 11. The crap mixes of 1963 (all sound like crap, pick any)> 12. World (Queen Bee Mix)

The Village, Weirdo, Ultraviolence?!

Liar?

To compile the wosrt 12 New Order songs/remixes is actually harder than it initially looks. Imagine the trauma of having to mentally run thruogh the worst moments and try to unscrammble them from your memory.... not a very nice prospect. Although I'll have to post a definitve list eventually, these will have do suffice as starters:

World (the Price of Love) (any mix) Liar Turn The Heater On (OFF more like!) We All Stand Most of those terrible mixes of The Rest Of New Order Those Sly'n'Robbie mixes of "Ruined" (I think everyone should have those in their list, I can't think of anyone who actually likes them) Those 1995 mixes of Blue Monday The remix 12" of World In Motion (a bit pointless) Shellshock Subculture (the remixed 12" single version)

Oh, yeah another thing - to call it "Subsidence" I think is so appropriate! Genius idea for a title that Hubertie!! Funny how no one else thought of that before!!!

I'm thinking of changing the criteria on this thread a bit now, seeing as there are so many sodding fooking lists things going on at present we're in danger of over-repeating ourselves in danger of over-repeating ourselves in danger of over-repeating ourselves in danger of over-repeating ourselves in danger of over-repeating ourselves in danger of over-repeating ourselves in danger of over-repeating ourselves in danger of over-repeating ourselves in danger of over-repeating ourselves in danger of over-repeating ourselves in danger of over-repeating ourselves in danger of over-repeating ourselves in danger of over-repeating ourselves in danger of over-repeating ourselves in danger of over-repeating ourselves in danger of over-repeating ourselves in danger of over-repeating ourselves in danger of over-repeating ourselves...oops, sorry...

So I'm going to amend this to what you consider in your opinion are : THE TWELVE WORST THINGS ABOUT NEW ORDER.

I have a few I can call to mind at present:

They leave long gaps between records. They are lazy fookers. They have a terrible dress sense. They let their record company piss all over them. They play the same song sets over and over again. They still won't let Blue Monday die a dignified death. They choose to desecrate Joy Division songs by whooping them up (literally).

OKAY OKAY OKAY - It's time for me to RRRRRRIP open another six pack and get myself royally SMASHED....cuz I've got the house to meself tonite as my little girl's now tucked up fast asleep.....ahhh, this is the life! :)

1 - Gillian no longer plays with them 2 - They lift too many singles off their albums 3 - Their second single choices are usually bad ones 4 - Hooky and Barney are far too overweight for our liking 5 - They played the same sets every gig of their current tour 6 - Rob Gretton is no longer with them 7 - Martin Hannet can no longer produce them 8 - Stephen Hague was their worst producer 9 - They never rereleased Bizarre Love Triangle 10 - They have disgusting eating habits (especially Hooky) 11 - Steven Morris's chin is still way too long 12 - They'll probably leave another ten year gap after this last album

1. They're not touring the US again
2. Gillian's not playing with them
3. Ian's still dead
4. They redid Confusion for Substance
5. There's only seven albums to choose from
6. 316 DVD and my DVD player are incompatible
7. SNL's never had them as musical guests (more bad on SNL than NO)
8. Hooky going beardless
9. New Order bios being out of print
10. NO story being unfindable
11. NO aren't touring the States (same as no. 1)
12. World in Motion

Ah...welcome to the party Taboo...!! :) :) Did you noticed me tipping my hat to you by way of dedication at the top of this thread??

[did you prefer Hooky bearded then? What about his old Mullet and tight leather strides ??!! ]

A DOZEN worst things about New Order? There isn't any need to do that as far as i'm concerned.... At this point I can say that the worst thing New Order have done is

THEY'VE NEVER EVER PLAYED A GIG IN CORNWALL, THE BASTARDS!!!

What the feck is their problem?? Why do they always ignore us?? The nearest they've been is Glastonbury! That's another universe away as far as us yokels are concerned...do they not regard us as the same species?? The unforgivable cheek of it all!!

Aye...Thanx fer yer explanation ShugZ lad....now...I'm lookin forward to seeing yer crazy pix splattered all over the message boards later this week- as Liv promised us with so much relish.... oh yes... every little bit of gory detail for our sick voyeristic pleasure will do just fine.....

Originally posted by The Duke of Portaloo (Cornwall) A DOZEN worst things about New Order? There isn't any need to do that as far as i'm concerned.... At this point I can say that the worst thing New Order have done isTHEY'VE NEVER EVER PLAYED A GIG IN CORNWALL, THE BASTARDS!!!What the feck is their problem?? Why do they always ignore us??The nearest they've been is Glastonbury! That's another universe away as far as us yokels are concerned...do they not regard us as the same species?? The unforgivable cheek of it all!!

So the Cornwall Coliseum, St Austell gig in 1984 was all a strange dream was it ? Good dream !

1. Gillians left the band
2. The side projects have been shelved permanantly
3. Releasing RUIAD instead of Special
4. Playing the same set list
5. Having their tracks "raped" by dodgy remixers
6. Not being enough live footage of concerts available
7. The distinct possibility that Grrready is their last album
8. The gap of single releases for Grrready
9. The stigma of Blue bloody Monday
10. I dont wanna think of any more ;)

Originally posted by Sloppy Giuseppe > Originally posted by The Duke of Portaloo (Cornwall)> A DOZEN worst things about New Order? There isn't any need to do that as far as i'm concerned.... > At this point I can say that the worst thing New Order have done is> > THEY'VE NEVER EVER PLAYED A GIG IN CORNWALL, THE BASTARDS!!!> > What the feck is their problem?? Why do they always ignore us??> The nearest they've been is Glastonbury! That's another universe away as far as us yokels are concerned...do they not regard us as the same species?? The unforgivable cheek of it all!!

So the Cornwall Coliseum, St Austell gig in 1984 was all a strange dream was it ? Good dream !

Well Sloppy, I didn't really become a New Order afficionado until 1986 so I must have been completely unaware of them having even played a gig on my own doorstep practically - at the time I was still listening to alot of local music (my parents play in many Cornish ensemble bands so I guess that's where most of my earlier musical upbringing came courtesy of....solo performers like Cewlrîs Èdrwns and Johann Largsson for example) New Order were probably the first "rock" band I owned records by, amazing though that may seem, then I got into stuff like The Orb and Aphex Twin (a fellow Cornishman of course!) in due course. But thanks for filling us in with that bit of info - seems you know almost everything there is to know about the band!!

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Well, it looks like I need to revise my list yet abloodygain....

1. Gillian's not in the band anymore
2. Gillian's not in the band anymore
3. Gillian's not in the band anymore
4. Gillian's not in the band anymore
5. Gillian's not in the band anymore
6. Gillian's not in the band anymore
7. Gillian's not in the band anymore
8. Gillian's not in the band anymore
9. Gillian's not in the band anymore
10. Gillian's not in the band anymore
11. Gillian's not in the motherfucking band anymore
12. Release of "Here To Stay" almost certain to be fucked with by their record company yet again -costing New Order yet another much-needed big hit. (God, let's hope I'm proved completely wrong then!!)

The future suddenly doesn't look too bright. :(

WORLD IN MOTION

Ah yes.... good old World In Motion.... I'm suprised I keep forgetting that one, seeing as so many people constantly pipe in just to remind me....tut tut...I guess I'll have to change the batteries in my memory bank more regularly....

[fnarr fnarr]

12 things i hate about NO

1. Barney is a Red
2. Hooky dumps Mrs Merton
3. They shut the Hac
4. They have become everything they ever stood against
5. If ever i mention i like them' some git then goes on about BM being their only hit
6. They won't play CD:UK
7. They only know one set list
8. Tony Wilson - he gets my goat

err......thats it

But Gillian's now officially no longer with the band, Niel, surely you haven't forgotten that single devastating Fact? New Order without Gillian are now only three quarters of the band they once were - and that must qualify for "tragedy" status alone, surely?!! :( :(

In the words of a big fat austrian who can't act

She'll be back

Well, I hope so. I hope so. GOD I REALLY FUCKING HATE CLIFFHANGERS!!!