Questions about NO members

OK Guys n' Gals,

I mean this post in no disrespect, but the answers are hard to come by anywhere else, so you guys are smart and should know, and I'd appreciate it if you could clear things up for me:

1. Gillian and Hooky used to date right? Are they still on and is the kid his?

2. Stephen Morris is gay right? Is Barney gay also?

Ok that's it, short and sweet, danke. ;)

Chris Z is a Cure Fan and I claim my five hundred pounds (in Sterling please) :D

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Do we have an FAQ we can redirect Master Z to...? Hastily.

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I suspect that Chris Z is a bit of a wind-up merchant given his review of one of the Sydney gigs.

Shoudn't this be called "TROLLING" ??

Holy Jeesus, I thought people from Cornwall were always considered a bit strange.....

Mr Z, have you been gettin all hot n bothered and od'ing on water again ?

Perhaps a simple answer to Chris's questions would do...

1. No - it's Steve's
2. No (he's married to Gillian and has been for years) / No, but that's what I used to think also (Barnstable has kids now with terrible taste in music -- Smashing Pumpkins -- such a shame with the quality blood line)

Thank you for your questions. Others may know more about the relationship btw Steve and Gillian and Barney's first, failed marriage -- see Technique era songs for details on the breakup "listen to me, I know what i'm saying/love don't come easily/ i admit, that i was wrong etc..."

come on peeps, chris is just a young chap compared to the average NOO user (avg. 29/30 if i remember correctly)

Geaux, thanks very much for your reply, I appreciate it. :)

PS - Mickey & everyone who thought I was 'trolling' you are wrong.

Ok, at the risk of being flamed for asking another question, does anyone know what is wrong with Gillian (& Stephen's) child?

Or is that just a 'story' because Gillian doesn't feel like touring or something?

Originally posted by Chris Z OK Guys n' Gals, 1) Gillian and Hooky used to date right? Are they still on and is the kid his?2) Stephen Morris is gay right? Is Barney gay also?

Perhaps this is where we need a moderator to step in..

Z man, while everyone respects your status as a new NO fan, some simple background reading may save you from copping flak from longer-serving members. It's sort of a given ('Netiquette') that anyone posting to a specialist board such as this will have at least the basic knowledge of the subject.

It prevents people from posting stuff like, "Hey- I heard this really cool song by New Order, does anyone else know it? 'How does it feeeeeellll...'"

;)

Try these links for decent background info and FAQs:

http://www.neworderonline.com/neworder.asp http://slashmc.rice.edu/ceremony/neworder/no\_info/noinfo.html

Although some info may be slightly out of date, it'll help you fill in some blanks you may have regarding the band.

Any questions above 'entry level New Order info' is free game- ask away. There's a hell of a pool of NewOrder knowledge here.

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Yeah Depthcharge I understand what you are saying but this site's FAQ says nothing about what I asked, and the NO members biographies don't either.

IMDB says nothing either, just a nickname, birthplace, and that they are NO members, excatly what the bios on this site says.

You have to admit, my questions weren't *that* newbie, they weren't like "This song is mad" or anything.

Thanks for your help. ;)

Chris, full marks for honesty and innocence.

I guess if the FAQ you looked at didn't give you any answers, casual lurking on this board will often provide handy clues. Watch out for articles such as the recent Mojo magazine expose, there was plenty of personal bio info there. How did you get that impression about Hooky & Gill, or Morris' preferences anyway?

Reading up on FAQs and band history will also help you with stuff you've raised previously, like how you'd never heard of "that Love Will Tear Us Apart track" before. This came as a bit of a jaw-dropper to some of us because it's a rather critical track in the band's back catalog.

Being a young fan has mixed blessings- you get the thrill of jumping onto New Order through the strength of their new stuff and then working your way through their fucking sparkling back catalog. The drawback is that it's harder to learn the key elements and put them into a context, when you weren't around for them. I guess the advice is to keep reading this forum and read up on any articles you come across elsewhere.

And keep off the ecstasy.

Anyway- enough! This is making me feel old. Now where's that damn cup of Bovril...

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being one of the youngest posters on this board, i'll be honest and admit that i was quietly checking this thread for the answer. :o

Originally posted by depthcharge Chris, full marks for honesty and innocence.I guess if the FAQ you looked at didn't give you any answers, casual lurking on this board will often provide handy clues. Watch out for articles such as the recent Mojo magazine expose, there was plenty of personal bio info there. How did you get that impression about Hooky & Gill, or Morris' preferences anyway?Reading up on FAQs and band history will also help you with stuff you've raised previously, like how you'd never heard of "that Love Will Tear Us Apart track" before. This came as a bit of a jaw-dropper to some of us because it's a rather critical track in the band's back catalog.Being a young fan has mixed blessings- you get the thrill of jumping onto New Order through the strength of their new stuff and then working your way through their fucking sparkling back catalog. The drawback is that it's harder to learn the key elements and put them into a context, when you weren't around for them. I guess the advice is to keep reading this forum and read up on any articles you come across elsewhere.And keep off the ecstasy.Anyway- enough! This is making me feel old. Now where's that damn cup of Bovril...:evil2:

Cool thanks for your help Depthcharge:

1. I watched a bit of Rock Family Trees a while back it mentioned Gillian was dating Hooky and that is how she got into the band, I didn't know if they remained together or not.

2. At another NO website I saw someone ask if Barney was gay, now since Barney is very effeminate(?) this was a question I asked myself too but didn't have the balls to say incase I was flamed, anyway somebody responded saying Morris was gay, so I didn't really know.

3. I don't read magazines, too damn pricey, back in my day a top mag was under $5, now some of them are nearly $20!!! Oy Vey! that nearly buys me 3 packets of Cigarettes!

4. I would never touch Ecstacy, MDMA is a dirty drug in my opinion.

5. Although I'm a relatively new NO fan, stuff like BLT, True Faith, Blue Monday, Regret, & Paradise I recall hearing in the 80's but never knew who performed these tracks, probably because NO do their best to stay out of the media spotlight, unlike present day artists that are always on TV (Britney Spears etc etc) I think the more media exposure you have to hype yourself, damages your longevity, I believe if NO had of stood in the spotlight 24/7 they wouldn't have had such a long career.

After all, at the end of the day it's supposed to be about the music eh? Not marketing, and as that quote goes in that film 'Blade Runner': "The Candle that burns twice as bright burns twice as fast" or something like that. (explains why artists these days drop 2 albums and thre 3rd is a 'greatest hits' ... WTF? Older artists dropped 8 albums before a GH!!)

6. Never knew Billy Corgan was Barney's son (hope that's correct), IMDb says nothing about that either ... it's hard to find out info regarding NO compared to other actors/artists and hell even politicans!

Anyway thanks man. ;)

Who are Barney, Gillian, Stephen, and Peter?

No I'm pretty sure they said she was Hooky's girlfriend.

I think your just fucking with me? ;)

Ooooh my gooooood?! Now I don't understand it at all anymore!!!

Hooky gay, Barney the bear in hetero-land? Steve and Gillian meeting each other on a blue monday? Where's the right order in this all? I almost run wild?

DJ

BTW, there's nothing wrong with a fan asking questions that all other big fans believe to be common knowledge.....

(though I must say, when reading the questions, my first impression was: that's for a good laugh!).

CU Chris! DJ

Originally posted by Chris Z > Originally posted by depthcharge> Chris, full marks for honesty and innocence.> > I guess if the FAQ you looked at didn't give you any answers, casual lurking on this board will often provide handy clues. Watch out for articles such as the recent Mojo magazine expose, there was plenty of personal bio info there. How did you get that impression about Hooky & Gill, or Morris' preferences anyway?> > Reading up on FAQs and band history will also help you with stuff you've raised previously, like how you'd never heard of "that Love Will Tear Us Apart track" before. This came as a bit of a jaw-dropper to some of us because it's a rather critical track in the band's back catalog.> > Being a young fan has mixed blessings- you get the thrill of jumping onto New Order through the strength of their new stuff and then working your way through their fucking sparkling back catalog. The drawback is that it's harder to learn the key elements and put them into a context, when you weren't around for them. I guess the advice is to keep reading this forum and read up on any articles you come across elsewhere.> > And keep off the ecstasy.> > Anyway- enough! This is making me feel old. Now where's that damn cup of Bovril...> > > :evil2:

Cool thanks for your help Depthcharge:

1. I watched a bit of Rock Family Trees a while back it mentioned Gillian was dating Hooky and that is how she got into the band, I didn't know if they remained together or not.

2. At another NO website I saw someone ask if Barney was gay, now since Barney is very effeminate(?) this was a question I asked myself too but didn't have the balls to say incase I was flamed, anyway somebody responded saying Morris was gay, so I didn't really know.

3. I don't read magazines, too damn pricey, back in my day a top mag was under $5, now some of them are nearly $20!!! Oy Vey! that nearly buys me 3 packets of Cigarettes!

4. I would never touch Ecstacy, MDMA is a dirty drug in my opinion.

5. Although I'm a relatively new NO fan, stuff like BLT, True Faith, Blue Monday, Regret, & Paradise I recall hearing in the 80's but never knew who performed these tracks, probably because NO do their best to stay out of the media spotlight, unlike present day artists that are always on TV (Britney Spears etc etc) I think the more media exposure you have to hype yourself, damages your longevity, I believe if NO had of stood in the spotlight 24/7 they wouldn't have had such a long career.

After all, at the end of the day it's supposed to be about the music eh? Not marketing, and as that quote goes in that film 'Blade Runner': "The Candle that burns twice as bright burns twice as fast" or something like that. (explains why artists these days drop 2 albums and thre 3rd is a 'greatest hits' ... WTF? Older artists dropped 8 albums before a GH!!)

6. Never knew Billy Corgan was Barney's son (hope that's correct), IMDb says nothing about that either ... it's hard to find out info regarding NO compared to other actors/artists and hell even politicans!

Anyway thanks man. ;)

RE: number (6).... erm... Billy Corgan isn't Barney's Son!

Hooky the bear eh ? So that must of been him in the 60mph video clip eh ?? Living out his fantasy ...

Wasn't he married to a talk show host afew years ago ?

I've just pissed myself laughing reading this thread...where on earth did you get any of those ideas from Chris?? Billy COrgan Bernards son.....

In your defence though, barney did spend quite a bit of time knocking about with the PSB's - a bit dodgy in itself, and theres certainly a few possible gay references in a few of the songs...I for quite a while thought in 1963 'Johnny' may have been a 'lover', while Subculture and Perfect Kiss suggests to me Barney boy may have been experimenting with batting for the other side.

This may be complete bollox, but an old mate of mine who was well into the 'Order told me that Gillian met Stephen through Barney, and she in fact used to come to JD gigs coz she wanted a piece of Bernard.