Community 2 on BBC!

So I guess the idea that everyone participating had to be a member of NOOL by the start date got scrapped then? And just how many people jumped on the bandwagon last time without this publicity? Hope you are ready to be inundated!

every bunch of cunts who want exposure too.

Well that's all us lot boned....lots of sneaky record company funded wankers no doubt.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking at it from a perspective of "it lessens our chances", as quality will always shine through regardless of who it is doing the song. I'm just a bit concerned, with my risk management hat on, that existing members who may have fancied submitting a cover will be put off by this blatant appeal to big names to come along and take the ten slots.

And how are the big names gonna feel if they don't get voted in? Or do all their fans get to join the site just to vote for a new song from their favourites? What if BSP decide to submit a song, and the bullshit battalion all sign up just to vote for them and then leave, or worse still plague us with rubbish.

Can't honestly see how you can call this Community II, it isn't. It's an attempt to make a commercial release by appealing to people who may help shift units. It's not this community anymore. I hate to think what will happen if anyone with a big name does try to muscle in on it, when they start trying to call the shots. Hopefully it won't come to that.

We shall still be putting forward a submission regardless of this, as we firmly believe that we have the quality to produce another song that the NOOL members will appreciate.

Well that's sealed my fate.

What chance does a dude with a kazoo doing Spooky have against this invasion?

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I don't mean to enter into a debate with my esteemed colleague Sir Old of Monkey, but ... go Spotnick! If the BBC chooses to post your press release, fuckin' A. That's huge. I have years of professional experience running press releases through the shredder at a far smaller news outlet.

First, I don't know about the whole "big names" issue. Is David Potts a big name? (No offense, Mr. Potts.) Go to any CD shop in the states and ask about David Potts. "Who?" "You know, Ram." "What, you mean the Paul McCartney record?" "No, the guy from Monaco." "Monaco?" "With Peter Hook? Revenge? New Order? Bizarre Love Triangle?" "Oh, I've heard that. Isn't that Depeche Mode?"

All I can say is, like any other "record deal," you can take it or leave it. Community 2 is a different animal. I'm going to submit something, but damn, I'm really gonna have to step up my effort now. My home office is littered with CD-Rs from remix competitions I've lost, but I keep trying.

[orange]depthcharge[/orange] wrote: Well that's sealed my fate.

What chance does a dude with a kazoo doing Spooky have against this invasion?

:\pimp3:

i think you'd best do spooky on digeridoo, DC.

and i want my picture on the 'random picture' page. damn it.

AgentWood wrote: i think you'd best do spooky on digeridoo, DC.

Quite.

Another instrument sadly missing on most New Order covers. But alas my circular breathing techniques aren't quite up to the challenge.

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Nic, I can understand your seeking to enhance the profile of NOOL, and to that end this publicity is a real coup.

But I suspect this issue may prove a divisive one amongst NOOLers.

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oldmonkey wrote: Can't honestly see how you can call this Community II, it isn't. It's an attempt to make a commercial release by appealing to people who may help shift units.

I vote they go ahead full speed and call it Commodity.

Spotnick wrote: What ever happened to "the important thing is to take part" ?

;)

Well i thought the point was us, as a community taking part (and before you call me a bandwagon jumper matey, check me profile :( )...not letting any band, any bunch of fools think "oh here's an easy way to get a record out....I wonder what this New Order lot sound like".

All of us with our limited resources will be up against people with money behind them and equipment hanging out of their arses. So it doesn't really matter how good my (or anyone else's) tune is, people are always gonna be impressed by Mr shiney SSL desk with an Otari 24 track.

I've been really struggling to finish (or even properly start) the tunes I'm working on, between pain and painkillers it takes a fair bit of effort to get my brain in cubase gear let alone keep it there for more than 5 minutes. And knowing that it's now...little me Vs not just other New Order fans, but the entire population of the planet and as much time at Abbey Road as daddy can but, doesn't really inspire me to be arsed finishing them.

i understand why you did it and the exposure is great....I just think we could end up with no current NOOLERs on the album, which would defeat the purpose somewhat.

but yeah, let's wait and see.

I'm really, really looking forward to a new SNSS track and I swear I'll be pissed off if I don't get one.

(BTW, I just figured out what BSP stands for. It's not Boy Shop Pets.)

C'mon people: (1) This site is what it is through Nic's leadership and work, and he deserves to reap the rewards of his work and take it wherever he wants to. Go, man, go. It's called leadership, and it belongs to him. (2) No band anywhere ever recorded a song that was guaranteed a release -- unless they did it themselves. And that's always an option. License the track, record it, post it online, send a demo to Tony Wilson, whatever.

I'm serious about the SNSS cover. I'll cry if I don't get one.

Steve Campbell wrote:

Spotnick wrote: What ever happened to "the important thing is to take part" ?

;)

Well i thought the point was us, as a community taking part (and before you call me a bandwagon jumper matey, check me profile :( )...not letting any band, any bunch of fools think "oh here's an easy way to get a record out....I wonder what this New Order lot sound like".

All of us with our limited resources will be up against people with money behind them and equipment hanging out of their arses. So it doesn't really matter how good my (or anyone else's) tune is, people are always gonna be impressed by Mr shiney SSL desk with an Otari 24 track.

I've been really struggling to finish (or even properly start) the tunes I'm working on, between pain and painkillers it takes a fair bit of effort to get my brain in cubase gear let alone keep it there for more than 5 minutes. And knowing that it's now...little me Vs not just other New Order fans, but the entire population of the planet and as much time at Abbey Road as daddy can but, doesn't really inspire me to be arsed finishing them.

Don't give up Cambo! Carry on with your project, otherwise you may hand it over to other people who are not from NOOL. Keep the pressure on. Even if they have all that equipment, they could still be shit. Is it NOOLers that vote in the end? If so, they are going to vote for people they know are genuine members on here.

Being voted for for nepotistic reasons is little consolation, I KNOW nothing I can do will be any good compared to stuff done on analogue tape in a real studio, so if anything like that shows up, I'd feel patronised by winning.

Steve Campbell wrote: I KNOW nothing I can do will be any good compared to stuff done on analogue tape in a real studio, so if anything like that shows up, I'd feel patronised by winning.

Easy there, laddie. Leg-End Instrumental is better recorded than half the shit in my CD collection.

Chicks are not buying James Blunt records because of the amazing compression on the high-hat cymbal.

Or...are they?

Spotnick wrote: Seriously, I thought people would be deligthed about that news.. now I feel bad to even sending this press release.. :\ohwell:

Dude, you shouldn't feel bad.

I know I've told this story before, but: local band from my hometown generates a buzz with their four-track demo. They get signed to a major (well, two of them do -- according to the label, two-man bands like Hall and Oates, OMD and, yes, Sly Fox, are the "in" thing, so buh-bye bass and drums).

Move to L.A. Good solid first album. Video on MTV's 120 Minutes.

Then, major label is sold to Japanese company. Band is dropped, even though they have a completed second album in the can. "Can we at least release it ourselves?" "No, we own it." "Can we rerecord it for another label?" "No. We own your songs. Maybe you could buy them back from us." "But we still owe you money on the advance for the first album!" "Oh yes. We'll be sending hired goons to your house to get the money."

And did they feel bad? Hell no.

Don't forget about natural musical talent either. Blinding Sun and I are working on a song recorded on our PCs. He's done a better mix on a home computer than my "name" producers did with an album that cost around $100K to record.

Gnu Odor wrote:

Steve Campbell wrote: I KNOW nothing I can do will be any good compared to stuff done on analogue tape in a real studio, so if anything like that shows up, I'd feel patronised by winning.

Easy there, laddie. Leg-End Instrumental is better recorded than half the shit in my CD collection.

Chicks are not buying James Blunt records because of the amazing compression on the high-hat cymbal.

Or...are they?

Well I appreciate the compliement, but it's hard to get it TOO wrong when it's ALL digital (cept the bass). But at the same time, it's aso impossible to mix much space into a track without a nice big mixing desk.

What song will the SNSS be performing anyhow, you secretive bastard? I demand to know.

I'm gonna get Melly to sing on mine, and we're going to be Melly Mel and the Sexy Bunch.

Ahhhh going for the male vote.

Well...I'm working on 3....if I finish more than one, we'll have us a good old fashioned vote.

For now, I'm doing Truth (electro-house), All day Long (bass porn) and YSF (YSF is the least likely as it's the one that will need most effort, although I have discovered it sounds awesome if you just bung the basic parts of it theough something like Edirol Orchestral)

I might as well not even bother with a cover now. And tough chance winning the video contest now too. What's a kid with a camcorder to do?

Fuck the doubting thomas' nick,you go girl!

Nice to see nool getting the exposure it deserves,or is it?

What a coup! on the beeb as well!

Perhaps you could set up your own label a la factory,call it community records ! Lets see how far that woould go! Seriously tho,there have been many no tribute albums over the years, but community was done by the fans for the fans,and to he guys and gals who submitted tracks then i salute you!

Thats all i'm saying on the matter!

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: I might as well not even bother with a cover now. And tough chance winning the video contest now too. What's a kid with a camcorder to do?

Did you happen to see Bob Mould's call for videos for "Paralyzed" on the Yep Roc site? I missed that one, but it sure looked cool in my head.

Maybe he'll do it again.

I think it's really cool that you put the release out, Nick.

I'm more imagining a kid or fan of the band who hasn't been otherwise bothered to find the NOOL site who has sat around playing his or her own covers of the band who might just see that and think "Huh, awesome" and actually be bothered to not only submit their track for competition but also be moved enough to join us for revelry and insanity.

Stranger things have happened.

And even if a bigger name plops down their song - if it is truly better, truly grips the sound of NO/JD, or truly takes the music in a direction further than we've imagined and makes us tingle with excitement - how bad can that actually be? It would inspire anyone less than satisfied with their own performance to maybe take a look back on their recording and see what they could have added or subtracted to make it even better. Losing in a contest isn't ever a reason to give up altogether.

And giving up out of uncertainity is not an option, either.

You can have all the quality gear in the world, but if you don't have the love of the music, it's never going to be better than what an interested fan can generate out of their sweat and tears. Fact.

melly (msh) wrote: I think it's really cool that you put the release out, Nick.

I'm more imagining a kid or fan of the band who hasn't been otherwise bothered to find the NOOL site who has sat around playing his or her own covers of the band who might just see that and think "Huh, awesome" and actually be bothered to not only submit their track for competition but also be moved enough to join us for revelry and insanity.

Never thought of that....wise woman.

I still don't think it's fair to pit us, most of whom have not a lot of gear....against anyone with multimegabucks....hired session players, paid producers, the works. might not happen, but if it does I will be furious.

I didn;t say I was giving up (did anyone out and out say that?), I just feel like I would if I thought Iwas going karting with all you guys, and now I find out Nigel Mansell can bring his Newman-Haas along and join in.....you think...not much point in me shaving a tenth off my laptime in a kart if fuckstick's gonna be going 30secs quiker.....no point bothering to actually produce and mix the tracks if someone else is always gonna win through with better gear....may as well just leave them raw.

Steve Campbell wrote:

I still don't think it's fair to pit us, most of whom have not a lot of gear....against anyone with multimegabucks....hired session players, paid producers, the works. might not happen, but if it does I will be furious.

When all else fails, you've got Barney's Angels behind you. What session musician can compete with a sexy team of female drinking extraordinaires?

Vee vill inviltrate their sekrit lab at the cover ov night, and thieve their souls vrom udderneath them!

Cos we're Love Spies.

Hey, it's Melly, of Melly Mel and the Sexy Bunch! Featuring me as The Sexy Bunch!

melly (msh) wrote:

Steve Campbell wrote:

I still don't think it's fair to pit us, most of whom have not a lot of gear....against anyone with multimegabucks....hired session players, paid producers, the works. might not happen, but if it does I will be furious.

When all else fails, you've got Barney's Angels behind you. What session musician can compete with a sexy team of female drinking extraordinaires?

Vee vill inviltrate their sekrit lab at the cover ov night, and thieve their souls vrom udderneath them!

Cos we're Love Spies.

what's a guy to do with support like that :D

cheers melster :D

People used to nickname me Melly Mel in school thinking it was clever and SILLY ME thought they were saying I was as cool as Melle Mel, and I was flattered.

I have no rappin' skills, however.

So'm bit like Barney, there.

Gnu Odor wrote:

Steve Campbell wrote: I KNOW nothing I can do will be any good compared to stuff done on analogue tape in a real studio, so if anything like that shows up, I'd feel patronised by winning.

Easy there, laddie. Leg-End Instrumental is better recorded than half the shit in my CD collection.

Chicks are not buying James Blunt records because of the amazing compression on the high-hat cymbal.

Or...are they?

Can't think of a better reason

Blunt

and i was going to submit my spoken word version of Blue Monday, using my best German accent.

Ronald Kirsch wrote: and i was going to submit my spoken word version of Blue Monday, using my best German accent.

Now I'd vote for that, Ron

Seriously though - with this new revelation, I'm not sure how I feel about submitting a track. Maybe if this aspect of the competition was made clear when the competition was announced it would've been better? As Tim suggested, is it really fair to call it 'Community'?

CTB

What are the chances of creating two fields of competition? Especially if we get swamped by non-NOOL entries?

An open-entry EP and an album restricted to long-term NOOL members only?

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ahhhh another fucker who thinks I only signed up for Community. That's you AND spotty FFS, starting to take this personally.

You can REALLY forget the other competitions BTW, no one with a camcorder can compete with someone who has access to a fookin post-production suite, same with the art....scribbled drawings are gonna lose to the guy who comes up with a 5 views mock up of his sleeve on a beach or something using his £20,000 of macs.

talent counts for something....but whowould win.....Michael schumacher in a trabant or me in his Ferarri F2004GA?

It'd be a Schu-in.

You'd spin out on the first corner.

He'd putter over the line four hours later.

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[orange]depthcharge[/orange] wrote: It'd be a Schu-in.

You'd spin out on the first corner.

He'd putter over the line four hours later.

:\pimp3:

I DID say a modern F1 car...with all the arcade mode stuff turned on....I'd need to be pretty damned dumb to spin it when pushing hard enough to beat a trabant :D

[orange]depthcharge[/orange] wrote: Well that's sealed my fate.

What chance does a dude with a kazoo doing Spooky have against this invasion?

:\pimp3:

I'll provide back up spoons or a ruler-twanged-on-the-edge-of-a-table solo if you think it'll improve the odds.

Old Blue wrote:

[orange]depthcharge[/orange] wrote: Well that's sealed my fate.

What chance does a dude with a kazoo doing Spooky have against this invasion?

:\pimp3:

I'll provide back up spoons or a ruler-twanged-on-the-edge-of-a-table solo if you think it'll improve the odds.

You ever hear "who's afraid of the art of noise"? the combination of £50,000 fairlight and 10p twanged ruler is wonderful.

Old Blue wrote:

I'll provide back up spoons or a ruler-twanged-on-the-edge-of-a-table solo if you think it'll improve the odds.

I might just take you up on that, OB.

With my sophisticated kazoo techniques, your cutlery/stationery orchestra and Kirschy doing spoken word over the in Ralf Hütter tones, well, the word unique springs to mind.

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now i really can't be arsed finishin ,etunes....how can i compete with that :D

Damn you and your publicity! Now i won't stand a chance - and i've been practicing my version of Bizarre Love Triangle with my Recorder.

:(

Missy Jem wrote: Damn you and your publicity! Now i won't stand a chance - and i've been practicing my version of Bizarre Love Triangle with my Recorder.

:(

Fear not Jem, we've reserved a spot for you in our NOOL Special Orchestra.

For the Deaf.

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Chris Nash wrote: I considered sampling noises made with household objects (possibly Tricia being one of them) and putting them together to create a wonderful soundscape cover of a New Order song, but then I realised it would just be crap. I don't even have my bass anymore...

A mate of mine has made entire tracks out of tickling and poking his girlfriend within range of his £1.99 goosenack mic.

sodding awesome too, he spends the time and gets every instrument he needs by clever soundforge usage. Very NiN sounding.

[orange]depthcharge[/orange] wrote:

Missy Jem wrote: Damn you and your publicity! Now i won't stand a chance - and i've been practicing my version of Bizarre Love Triangle with my Recorder.

:(

Fear not Jem, we've reserved a spot for you in our NOOL Special Orchestra.

For the Deaf.

:\pimp3:

Hey cheeky, that's fighting talk where i come from!

Still, be good to do our bit for the minorities, eh?

Spotnick wrote:

Missy Jem wrote: Damn you and your publicity! Now i won't stand a chance - and i've been practicing my version of Bizarre Love Triangle with my Recorder.

:(

Problem is, you can't cover BLT, it's on Community 1, and that's one of the main rules ;)

it's OK she can guest on my All day long playing the dingie bell part on it :D

Double Damn you Spotnick!!

If it wasn't for you pesky kids, i'd be taking over New Order by now!

Spotnick wrote:

Steve Campbell wrote: Being voted for for nepotistic reasons is little consolation, I KNOW nothing I can do will be any good compared to stuff done on analogue tape in a real studio, so if anything like that shows up, I'd feel patronised by winning.

Apart from Known Pleasures (Digital), I don't know if many bands actually went to studio.

Flight maybe? Spiral of Silence for sure...

Unless you plan to use your song for something else.. I don't think anybody should be paying for studio for this.. it's not worth it, paying 1000$ for studio time when there is be only 1000 copies.

Sorry, our little efforts were all Cubase, sticky tape and string Serioulsy though we didn't do anything studio based and DNE was recorded and mixed in about 3 or 4 hours. We have access to a studio from the record company but they charge us for it's use so our submission will ahgain be cubase based.

Cheers

Dave

Cheers

Dave

Spotnick wrote: This just prooves you can do quality without going to studio.

All 3 songs by Flight were top quality...

Don't be so sure, remeber there are a lot of people on this site who believe that it is a GOOD thing that New Order mime half their set....because it makes the gig sound like the record.

Chris Nash wrote:

Steve Campbell wrote: Don't be so sure, remeber there are a lot of people on this site who believe that it is a GOOD thing that New Order mime half their set....because it makes the gig sound like the record.

Steve my dear boy, surely that would make them utter

TWATS!

Well, yes...but the twat vote usually swings it in most democratic processes :D:D:D

Steve,

Print and tape this to your current mixer. It's the best I could do on short notice and limited budget. Works for me! :D

Seriously though, don't sell yourself short. Both your entries were top notch last time(as were many others).

P.S. I had trouble finding a photo of an SSL without some bastard sitting behind it with a big grin.

You should see the grin on my face :D

Every Neve and SSL ships with a free lemon, so you can take a bite to get the fookin grin off yer gob.

Actually I managed to do a fair bit of work on one of my tracks today and it sounds OK....always a good inspiration to continue :D

Chris Nash wrote: The only times I worked with an SSL, I was both playing and engineering - a confusing and laborious process... especially as I was (mainly) only working with accoustic instruments and playing eight different instruments on the same track... perhaps I could do a NO cover featuring Bodhran, Uileann Pipes, Banjo, guitar, mandolin, bass, tin whistles and vocals... or perhaps not...

Oh bugger it, I'm just not going to be able to submit a track, am I?

Dunno...sounds good to me.... Fine Time maybe?

only time I got near an SSl was in the BBC in Belshaft...60 or 72 channel...so big you need a skateboard to get from the patchbay to the other end. the BBc guy said.....I think we used it once....rest of the time we just run a stereo mic from the live room in here. TRAGIC

You'd be surprised. 72 channels is unusual for sure. You see live desks in HUGE frame sizes (48,60,72,even larger)...but more often than not, tis is to enable the engineer to keep 2 bands mixes on his board at once (say, the support band are on 1-24, and the main band are on the others).

In a studio, you can use up channels pretty quick if you start using a lot of clever FX techniques, or if you start using psychoaccoustics, where one instrument can be split accross 3 or eve 4 channels. Iy may have 20 channels of drums too, I've seen kits with 3 mics on the kick drum and 4 on the snare (yes I did call the drummer a gimboid). Most people still work to 24 or 48 track tho. Whereas half a dozen channels of audio and as much MIDI as you can eat is fine in cubase or simillar, where you can do a lot of your mixing on the virtual instruments themselves (for instance, my drums pretty much leave the LM7 drum player, ready mixed, instead of having to go on 8 channels)

Spotnick wrote: You lost me after "you'd be surprised"... :D

Gee, I once loaded Cubase and I had a hard time even trying to understand how it works.. and I'm a computer engineer damn it ;)

LOL Well I had it easy...I started on Cubase when it was simply a 64 track midi sequencer on the atari...so as it got more complex I went along with it. Also since it is a "virtual studio" these days, it kinda helps that I know my way around the real thing reasonably well.

MIDI should be a doddle for you....32kilobaud 8 bit (or 7 with parity for some functions, like note numbers for instance) opto-isolated network.

Steve! I found us a console! http://www.peterduncan.com/frames/realworld.htm

Maybe you ,me, and Gnu can wrangle a deal on it?

Jesus H. Tittyfucking Christ Dats a lotta da mixer.

Wouldn't pay more than...oooooh bout 50 quid for it....remember n New Order have been in there...it's a cert to be broken.

EDIT: just read the price....£85,000 for that thing? hmmmmmm sold as seen methinks....the magic smoke will get out of it within weeks of it being delivered.

EDIT EDIT: they have the audacity to hang a pair of ns10s on the end of that desk. When will they die out?!?!?!?!

Steve Campbell wrote: Jesus H. Tittyfucking Christ Dats a lotta da mixer.

Wouldn't pay more than...oooooh bout 50 quid for it....remember n New Order have been in there...it's a cert to be broken.

EDIT: just read the price....£85,000 for that thing? hmmmmmm sold as seen methinks....the magic smoke will get out of it within weeks of it being delivered.

EDIT EDIT: they have the audacity to hang a pair of ns10s on the end of that desk. When will they die out?!?!?!?!

I'm afraid ns10s will never die... I will never succumb to the white coned shrill tweetered devils.

Wonder what they're replacing it with? Now that Gabriel is part owner in SSL, it's gotta be something nice.

Bentley wrote: Steve! I found us a console! http://www.peterduncan.com/frames/realworld.htm

Maybe you ,me, and Gnu can wrangle a deal on it?

All hail that desk! Good grief but it is beautiful. Nevermind the fact he's got it in such a beautiful location.. oh man.