Community 2 on BBC!
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So I guess the idea that everyone participating had to be a member of NOOL by the start date got scrapped then? And just how many people jumped on the bandwagon last time without this publicity? Hope you are ready to be inundated!
every bunch of cunts who want exposure too.
Well that's all us lot boned....lots of sneaky record company funded wankers no doubt.
oldmonkey wrote: So I guess the idea that everyone participating had to be a member of NOOL by the start date got scrapped then? And just how many people jumped on the bandwagon last time without this publicity? Hope you are ready to be inundated!
Well, that date was removed yes, but that date was for voting, not to submit a song.
Obviously, the people have to log on here to do so, and if I remember well, the first time around a lot of people did jump in the band wagon and several of these people are now part of this Community (feline, Mr Campbell and Mr Bentley for instance)
I always said I wanted the follow up to be a little different, it had to be, so if this means more quality, let it be so.. although you have to know something, it's the members that will vote, it's the members that will decide.
And this means more exposure for all bands participating, and I swear to you that NOOL regulars will have a lot of exposure, and previous Community bands too... especially if you send me pictures so I can put them on the random picture of the Community website.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking at it from a perspective of "it lessens our chances", as quality will always shine through regardless of who it is doing the song. I'm just a bit concerned, with my risk management hat on, that existing members who may have fancied submitting a cover will be put off by this blatant appeal to big names to come along and take the ten slots.
And how are the big names gonna feel if they don't get voted in? Or do all their fans get to join the site just to vote for a new song from their favourites? What if BSP decide to submit a song, and the bullshit battalion all sign up just to vote for them and then leave, or worse still plague us with rubbish.
Can't honestly see how you can call this Community II, it isn't. It's an attempt to make a commercial release by appealing to people who may help shift units. It's not this community anymore. I hate to think what will happen if anyone with a big name does try to muscle in on it, when they start trying to call the shots. Hopefully it won't come to that.
We shall still be putting forward a submission regardless of this, as we firmly believe that we have the quality to produce another song that the NOOL members will appreciate.
oldmonkey wrote:
What if BSP decide to submit a song, and the bullshit battalion all sign up just to vote for them and then leave, or worse still plague us with rubbish.
You're right about that one though... but to be honest, who in the name of god would want to be on a 1000 copies limited tribute album if they had a big name.
- Their label won't allow it
- They will want to get paid for it
- As you said, they have everything to lose if they don't make it.
That's 2 elements you have to consider. We've been lucky the last time around when Flight was able to participate due to their label letting us do so, and Spiral of Silence as well.
To be honest, I've been looking for big names for a long time now, and the interest is just not there... the only people who have shown interest are David Potts and maybe ACR.
Oh yeah, The Echoing Green, but they wanted to participate to the first one and it was too late. But we made them clear they would need to do a new song, will they do it? I have no idea.
They all know it's a competition and they have to enter it, the only one that has a secured spot now is Pottsy because we're using his song for remix and video contest, and he's been very generous with us, even though it's a limited release, but Pottsy was aware of the first issue and was mad that his management at the moment didn't pass on the info.
As for the BSP example, if a big band does come here and do submit a song, we'll set a cut date that's for sure.. right now there is no song submitted at all, so we thought putting the deadline in November was pushing it a little...
Can't honestly see how you can call this Community II, it isn't. It's an attempt to make a commercial release by appealing to people who may help shift units. It's not this community anymore. I hate to think what will happen if anyone with a big name does try to muscle in on it, when they start trying to call the shots. Hopefully it won't come to that.
We're indie Tim, for reasons above, I doubt any big names will want to join it...
We shall still be putting forward a submission regardless of this, as we firmly believe that we have the quality to produce another song that the NOOL members will appreciate.
And I look forward to it.
BTW, regardless of what I say, I would dream to do a real tribute album with big names on it.. but I highly doubt I have the money and what it takes to do this.. 
would need to have Warner involved I guess, or a label like LTM.
Well that's sealed my fate.
What chance does a dude with a kazoo doing Spooky have against this invasion?
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I don't mean to enter into a debate with my esteemed colleague Sir Old of Monkey, but ... go Spotnick! If the BBC chooses to post your press release, fuckin' A. That's huge. I have years of professional experience running press releases through the shredder at a far smaller news outlet.
First, I don't know about the whole "big names" issue. Is David Potts a big name? (No offense, Mr. Potts.) Go to any CD shop in the states and ask about David Potts. "Who?" "You know, Ram." "What, you mean the Paul McCartney record?" "No, the guy from Monaco." "Monaco?" "With Peter Hook? Revenge? New Order? Bizarre Love Triangle?" "Oh, I've heard that. Isn't that Depeche Mode?"
All I can say is, like any other "record deal," you can take it or leave it. Community 2 is a different animal. I'm going to submit something, but damn, I'm really gonna have to step up my effort now. My home office is littered with CD-Rs from remix competitions I've lost, but I keep trying.
[orange]depthcharge[/orange] wrote: Well that's sealed my fate.
What chance does a dude with a kazoo doing Spooky have against this invasion?
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i think you'd best do spooky on digeridoo, DC.
and i want my picture on the 'random picture' page. damn it.
AgentWood wrote: i think you'd best do spooky on digeridoo, DC.
Quite.
Another instrument sadly missing on most New Order covers. But alas my circular breathing techniques aren't quite up to the challenge.
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Nic, I can understand your seeking to enhance the profile of NOOL, and to that end this publicity is a real coup.
But I suspect this issue may prove a divisive one amongst NOOLers.
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oldmonkey wrote: Can't honestly see how you can call this Community II, it isn't. It's an attempt to make a commercial release by appealing to people who may help shift units.
I vote they go ahead full speed and call it Commodity.
[orange]depthcharge[/orange] wrote: Nic, I can understand your seeking to enhance the profile of NOOL, and to that end this publicity is a real coup.
But I suspect this issue may prove a divisive one amongst NOOLers.
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Well, seems general consensus was to make a project different, which we did.. and if we do get exposure, it will only make it more interesting.
But we can't please everyone, that's for sure.. and we know it.
Spotnick wrote: What ever happened to "the important thing is to take part" ?
;)
Well i thought the point was us, as a community taking part (and before you call me a bandwagon jumper matey, check me profile :( )...not letting any band, any bunch of fools think "oh here's an easy way to get a record out....I wonder what this New Order lot sound like".
All of us with our limited resources will be up against people with money behind them and equipment hanging out of their arses. So it doesn't really matter how good my (or anyone else's) tune is, people are always gonna be impressed by Mr shiney SSL desk with an Otari 24 track.
I've been really struggling to finish (or even properly start) the tunes I'm working on, between pain and painkillers it takes a fair bit of effort to get my brain in cubase gear let alone keep it there for more than 5 minutes. And knowing that it's now...little me Vs not just other New Order fans, but the entire population of the planet and as much time at Abbey Road as daddy can but, doesn't really inspire me to be arsed finishing them.
Steve Campbell wrote:
Spotnick wrote: What ever happened to "the important thing is to take part" ?
;)
Well i thought the point was us, as a community taking part (and before you call me a bandwagon jumper matey, check me profile :( )...not letting any band, any bunch of fools think "oh here's an easy way to get a record out....I wonder what this New Order lot sound like".
All of us with our limited resources will be up against people with money behind them and equipment hanging out of their arses. So it doesn't really matter how good my (or anyone else's) tune is, people are always gonna be impressed by Mr shiney SSL desk with an Otari 24 track.
I've been really struggling to finish (or even properly start) the tunes I'm working on, between pain and painkillers it takes a fair bit of effort to get my brain in cubase gear let alone keep it there for more than 5 minutes. And knowing that it's now...little me Vs not just other New Order fans, but the entire population of the planet and as much time at Abbey Road as daddy can but, doesn't really inspire me to be arsed finishing them.
Didn't say you were a bandwagon jumper Steve, said you started to post at that time (unless I'm wrong, of course.. said that out of memory), and we got to know many people.
And I don't really thing now that this will affect the contest THAT MUCH...
Let's wait and see shall we.
Seriously, I thought people would be deligthed about that news.. now I feel bad to even sending this press release.. :\ohwell:
i understand why you did it and the exposure is great....I just think we could end up with no current NOOLERs on the album, which would defeat the purpose somewhat.
but yeah, let's wait and see.
I'm really, really looking forward to a new SNSS track and I swear I'll be pissed off if I don't get one.
(BTW, I just figured out what BSP stands for. It's not Boy Shop Pets.)
C'mon people: (1) This site is what it is through Nic's leadership and work, and he deserves to reap the rewards of his work and take it wherever he wants to. Go, man, go. It's called leadership, and it belongs to him. (2) No band anywhere ever recorded a song that was guaranteed a release -- unless they did it themselves. And that's always an option. License the track, record it, post it online, send a demo to Tony Wilson, whatever.
I'm serious about the SNSS cover. I'll cry if I don't get one.
Steve Campbell wrote: i understand why you did it and the exposure is great....I just think we could end up with no current NOOLERs on the album, which would defeat the purpose somewhat.
but yeah, let's wait and see.
Well, Steve, you have something people don't have though.. you won on the first contest, and you KNOW how people will vote.. which any "bandwagon" jumper unless he reads all the messages in the Community forum will never know.
Personally, I'd wait to see how many songs we actually get.. what I fear now is a lot of people asking around, but not submitting anything.
We got about 60 songs for the first competition, including multiple covers from the same artists.. 40 in the final round.. and that by only advertizing it on the front page.. I'll be curious to see how it goes, because to be honest, I find that there's not much activity going on right now... 
And to be honest, I don't want any song from people just sending their track and not even posting replies to the thread where his song is showcased.. we had a few of these the last time around and it was sad, we also had bad experience with Unfaith, Jerusalem Uriah and.. Julio.
We have tons of ideas for the whole thing, give us a chance and I believe it will be worth the ride...
Steve Campbell wrote:
Spotnick wrote: What ever happened to "the important thing is to take part" ?
;)
Well i thought the point was us, as a community taking part (and before you call me a bandwagon jumper matey, check me profile :( )...not letting any band, any bunch of fools think "oh here's an easy way to get a record out....I wonder what this New Order lot sound like".
All of us with our limited resources will be up against people with money behind them and equipment hanging out of their arses. So it doesn't really matter how good my (or anyone else's) tune is, people are always gonna be impressed by Mr shiney SSL desk with an Otari 24 track.
I've been really struggling to finish (or even properly start) the tunes I'm working on, between pain and painkillers it takes a fair bit of effort to get my brain in cubase gear let alone keep it there for more than 5 minutes. And knowing that it's now...little me Vs not just other New Order fans, but the entire population of the planet and as much time at Abbey Road as daddy can but, doesn't really inspire me to be arsed finishing them.
Don't give up Cambo! Carry on with your project, otherwise you may hand it over to other people who are not from NOOL. Keep the pressure on. Even if they have all that equipment, they could still be shit. Is it NOOLers that vote in the end? If so, they are going to vote for people they know are genuine members on here.
Being voted for for nepotistic reasons is little consolation, I KNOW nothing I can do will be any good compared to stuff done on analogue tape in a real studio, so if anything like that shows up, I'd feel patronised by winning.
Steve Campbell wrote: Being voted for for nepotistic reasons is little consolation, I KNOW nothing I can do will be any good compared to stuff done on analogue tape in a real studio, so if anything like that shows up, I'd feel patronised by winning.
Apart from Known Pleasures (Digital), I don't know if many bands actually went to studio.
Flight maybe? Spiral of Silence for sure...
Unless you plan to use your song for something else.. I don't think anybody should be paying for studio for this.. it's not worth it, paying 1000$ for studio time when there is be only 1000 copies.
Steve Campbell wrote: I KNOW nothing I can do will be any good compared to stuff done on analogue tape in a real studio, so if anything like that shows up, I'd feel patronised by winning.
Easy there, laddie. Leg-End Instrumental is better recorded than half the shit in my CD collection.
Chicks are not buying James Blunt records because of the amazing compression on the high-hat cymbal.
Or...are they?
Spotnick wrote: Seriously, I thought people would be deligthed about that news.. now I feel bad to even sending this press release.. :\ohwell:
Dude, you shouldn't feel bad.
I know I've told this story before, but: local band from my hometown generates a buzz with their four-track demo. They get signed to a major (well, two of them do -- according to the label, two-man bands like Hall and Oates, OMD and, yes, Sly Fox, are the "in" thing, so buh-bye bass and drums).
Move to L.A. Good solid first album. Video on MTV's 120 Minutes.
Then, major label is sold to Japanese company. Band is dropped, even though they have a completed second album in the can. "Can we at least release it ourselves?" "No, we own it." "Can we rerecord it for another label?" "No. We own your songs. Maybe you could buy them back from us." "But we still owe you money on the advance for the first album!" "Oh yes. We'll be sending hired goons to your house to get the money."
And did they feel bad? Hell no.
Don't forget about natural musical talent either.
Blinding Sun and I are working on a song recorded on our PCs. He's done a better mix on a home computer than my "name" producers did with an album that cost around $100K to record.
Gnu Odor wrote:
Steve Campbell wrote: I KNOW nothing I can do will be any good compared to stuff done on analogue tape in a real studio, so if anything like that shows up, I'd feel patronised by winning.
Easy there, laddie. Leg-End Instrumental is better recorded than half the shit in my CD collection.
Chicks are not buying James Blunt records because of the amazing compression on the high-hat cymbal.
Or...are they?
Well I appreciate the compliement, but it's hard to get it TOO wrong when it's ALL digital (cept the bass). But at the same time, it's aso impossible to mix much space into a track without a nice big mixing desk.
What song will the SNSS be performing anyhow, you secretive bastard? I demand to know.
I'm gonna get Melly to sing on mine, and we're going to be Melly Mel and the Sexy Bunch.
Ahhhh going for the male vote.
Well...I'm working on 3....if I finish more than one, we'll have us a good old fashioned vote.
For now, I'm doing Truth (electro-house), All day Long (bass porn) and YSF (YSF is the least likely as it's the one that will need most effort, although I have discovered it sounds awesome if you just bung the basic parts of it theough something like Edirol Orchestral)
I might as well not even bother with a cover now. And tough chance winning the video contest now too. What's a kid with a camcorder to do?
Fuck the doubting thomas' nick,you go girl!
Nice to see nool getting the exposure it deserves,or is it?
What a coup! on the beeb as well!
Perhaps you could set up your own label a la factory,call it community records !
Lets see how far that woould go!
Seriously tho,there have been many no tribute albums over the years, but community was done by the fans for the fans,and to he guys and gals who submitted tracks then i salute you! 
Thats all i'm saying on the matter!
