I don't know if you are the first one who voted Tim, but we got the exact opposite picks if it was you... ;)
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The Joy Division Cup - The Draw
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Spotnick wrote: I don't know if you are the first one who voted Tim, but we got the exact opposite picks if it was you... ;)
Atmosphere/These Days/Digital/No Love Lost
Not entirely sure I understand what you mean here... 
if you wouldn't mind, don't let voting end on weekends anymore. i rarely touch the internet on weekends. those of us who waste time at work on this site would agree... this is a weekday activity for several of us. thanks.
Why not vote when the poll opens then, rather than when it end? They are online for more than 48 hours. The next four 3rd round matches will be posted at 8pm tomorrow night (GMT), and will finish some time on Saturday morning, as we are in the studio Friday night.
What is going on ?
Novelty is beating These Days comfortably.
Do I (and the other These Days voters) have different ears to everyone else?
nah, Novelty vs These Days is a tough one - I voted Novelty but I love TD as well... Having said that, come on people, vote for Insight... Please? Couldn't bear to see it go out at this stage... Although it would be nice to see one of the earlier 'punkier' numbers get through to the last rounds...
Snorri xxx
Yeah. Insight is my entry into Community 2 so I'm hoping it will go far too. Although I'm not sure if I want it to win :\ohwell:
Are people voting for 'Joy Division' or 'Joy Division songs that New Order have done'?!
Surprised to see 24Hrs is gonna make the final. Had an easy enough route admittedly but is this mainly down to its Manc Arena appearance and the fact it's fresh in everyone's minds?!
Never really thought of it as 'Standout' JD before.
Atmosphere is out?! Gah! And I prefer Novelty over These Days. I seem to prefer the live version of TD over the studio.
Al Jarvis wrote: Are people voting for 'Joy Division' or 'Joy Division songs that New Order have done'?!
Surprised to see 24Hrs is gonna make the final. Had an easy enough route admittedly but is this mainly down to its Manc Arena appearance and the fact it's fresh in everyone's minds?!
Never really thought of it as 'Standout' JD before.
Good question. I've always thought of it as being one of the best of the non-single tracks, but I guess that many people have it fresh in their minds at the moment. It has had an easy run though, compared to Transmission, which has had to see off all the favourites!
I think Twenty Four Hours had a really easy run....I mean I voted for it the whole way, but I would always choose say Disorder or Decades over it.
The song I was most surprised at was The Eternal - I think it's one of JD's most beautiful songs, and couldn't believe it went out so early.
Well I can't believe Transmission went the whole way to the final. It's way down on my list. It took out Love Will Tear Us Apart, Decades and Dead Souls (my personal #1) FFS.
As for 24 Hours, I have a tape somewhere of John Peel playing it on his show and saying it's his favourite JD track.
oldmonkey wrote: Why not vote when the poll opens then, rather than when it end?
because i'm not on here all the time at work. is there even a way to be alerted as to when a poll opens? think not. if it's going to end on a saturday or sunday, why don't you just make it end monday instead? seems only fair. i am being disenfranchised! voter fraud!
i'm really not trying to complain, you're doing a good job, but there have been several times where a poll closed before i was even aware of it. it's not for a lack of looking...
i hope that, should you run the new order cup, the voting will not end on saturdays or sundays. people want to vote, and the way you are doing it does cut some people off.
I'm nothing but disappointed. My fav of JD has lost 
Interesting competition anyway ; good idea whatever the odd result !
although 24hrs is one of the best tracks, I still think it only got to the final because of it's recent outing.
I have the feeling that the votes were greatly favourable to those songs NO did cover recently. Nobabely - erm, sorry, I mean frankly -, is Transmission really the best JD song ever? I can't believe it. As far as I'm concerned, I'm bored like shit of hearing it.
Personally, I think it all think it worked out quite right. Transmission is my personal favourite, and certainly is one of their greatest songs.
Remember they've also played LWTUA and Atmosphere quite a lot recently as well!
oldmonkey wrote:
Remember they've also played LWTUA...
Oh CAHM AHN, OM: that's hardly likely to help it!
(Did you see what I did there?)
Whoo!
Ben wrote: Transmission really the best JD song ever?
It's easily the best Joy Division song New Order perform live. Fact.
Al Jarvis wrote:
Ben wrote: Transmission really the best JD song ever?
It's easily the best Joy Division song New Order perform live. Fact.
Their version of Isolation was much more interesting.
Ben wrote:
Al Jarvis wrote:
Ben wrote: Transmission really the best JD song ever?
It's easily the best Joy Division song New Order perform live. Fact.
Their version of Isolation was much more interesting.
i completely agree with you, ben. fact.
Ben wrote:
Al Jarvis wrote:
Ben wrote: Transmission really the best JD song ever?
It's easily the best Joy Division song New Order perform live. Fact.
Their version of Isolation was much more interesting.
I said it was the best. You said Isolation was more interesting. They're not one and the same, are they?!
'Interesting' does not equate to 'better'.
The Saville Sountrack was 'interesting'. The likes of Ceremony and Temptation are infinitely 'better' though.
I know what stirs the masses at gigs, and it's defo Transmission over Isolation.
Although it would be nice to get the latter back, if only for a berluddy change.
Al Jarvis wrote:
Ben wrote:
Al Jarvis wrote:
Ben wrote: Transmission really the best JD song ever?
It's easily the best Joy Division song New Order perform live. Fact.
Their version of Isolation was much more interesting.
I said it was the best. You said Isolation was more interesting. They're not one and the same, are they?!
'Interesting' does not equate to 'better'.
Of course not. Blame the lack of precision in my argumentation on the fact that English is not my mother tongue.
Al Jarvis wrote: The Saville Sountrack was 'interesting'. The likes of Ceremony and Temptation are infinitely 'better' though.
I know what stirs the masses at gigs, and it's defo Transmission over Isolation.
Although it would be nice to get the latter back, if only for a berluddy change.
We could debate for years upon what is meant by "best". For you it seems to be related to public enthusiasm at gigs (which would make Blue Monday one of NO's best songs although many hardcore fans are bored to death of hearing it). For me it's more related to the creativity and subtlety of the interpretation. Both criteria are certainly valid.
My point is that the voters in the JD Cup seem to have selected the JD song that had the best (according to your criterion) rendition at NO gigs rather than the best (according to my criterion) JD song ever. It's interesting to observe how short-term experiences can have more influence on people's judgement than long-term memories.
Ben wrote: My point is that the voters in the JD Cup seem to have selected the JD song that had the best (according to your criterion) rendition at NO gigs rather than the best (according to my criterion) JD song ever. It's interesting to observe how short-term experiences can have more influence on people's judgement than long-term memories.
Not convinced by this entirely. You're saying that Transmission won because New Order only started playing it in 2001 (short-term) but Isolation should've won because of a longer-term memory (New Order started playing it 'interestingly' in just 1998, hardly long-term?!).
At the end of the day, surely everyone knew Tranmish was gonna walk it after it just pipped LWTUA. Barney Army even started a thread with this theme well before the final.
Am sure if a straw poll of JD tracks were done away from this site, LWTUA and Atmosphere will top it (take the Peel's All Time 50 in the year 1999/2000 as a benchmark) but people here are probably sick to the death of these tracks after all the live offerings over the years. Transmission still sounds like a breath of fresh air to most.
That's the whole beauty of the cup format, two favourites get drawn together, one goes out, the road to glory is easier for those faves that have easier rides... I think the tracks that got through to the later stages are a pretty representative selection of most people's top 5 or so tracks... Maybe if we had a league format with each of the top 20 or so songs playing each other twice, with points for wins, etc. .... Only joking...!
Snorri xxx
Ben wrote: We could debate for years upon what is meant by "best". For you it seems to be related to public enthusiasm at gigs (which would make Blue Monday one of NO's best songs although many hardcore fans are bored to death of hearing it). For me it's more related to the creativity and subtlety of the interpretation. Both criteria are certainly valid.
something that is as subjective as a song can hardly be given the tag of 'best' or 'worst.' as you say above, people have different criteria for what constitutes best and worst, and i think you're spot on.
Al Jarvis wrote:
Ben wrote: My point is that the voters in the JD Cup seem to have selected the JD song that had the best (according to your criterion) rendition at NO gigs rather than the best (according to my criterion) JD song ever. It's interesting to observe how short-term experiences can have more influence on people's judgement than long-term memories.
Not convinced by this entirely. You're saying that Transmission won because New Order only started playing it in 2001 (short-term) but Isolation should've won because of a longer-term memory (New Order started playing it 'interestingly' in just 1998, hardly long-term?!).
That's not exactly what I mean. To me, short-term refers to recent live renditions by NO (and Isolation is in this category) while long-term refers to the original JD versions. If I had to make a "short-term" vote, I would probably have voted for Isolation, but I understand why Transmission would be much more popular amongst the voters. What I mean is that Joy Division have certainly made much better songs than Transmission (whatever subjective "better" may be) but that people's choice is very much influenced by the recent live rendition of a very limited number of songs, leaving the largest part of JD's back catalogue in the shadow.
