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I'd put my money on ICB, or maybe Angel Dust for pure electronical technicality. Most of NO's songs are rather simple, but any songs come to mind where you're knid of shocked at Barney's guitar chops?
By the way, SHEDSRUS, I don't know if that's you in your pic on here but that is like the most beautiful woman i've ever seen. Who is that?
J
Perfect Kiss seems to be a song pretty technical... all musicians has many tasks as we can see in the video...
MLANH- "My Life Ain't No Holiday" wrote: I'd put my money on ICB, or maybe Angel Dust for pure electronical technicality. Most of NO's songs are rather simple, but any songs come to mind where you're knid of shocked at Barney's guitar chops?
By the way, SHEDSRUS, I don't know if that's you in your pic on here but that is like the most beautiful woman i've ever seen. Who is that?
J
I'll assume you don't have much money, as ICB is a piece of piss!
Most technically complex, in terms of requiring different band members to perform different parts at different times is probably Perfect Kiss (at least used to be back in the days c.1985 where there were live parts as well as the sequencers, as Bernard had to play guitar, cowbell and remember the lyrics, Hooky had to play bass and drum pads, Steve and Gillian both did live keys.
while it's not the most technical in terms of muso geekness and instrumental ability, the Saville soundtrack shows a depth to New Order's understanding of composition and arrangement that even a die hard fan like me never expected from them, quite breathtaking.
NOOLigan wrote: technical as in using technology, or technical as in complex?
In terms of technology I would suggest that the early live Blue Monday was a major feat of cleverness.
Steve Campbell wrote:
NOOLigan wrote: technical as in using technology, or technical as in complex?
In terms of technology I would suggest that the early live Blue Monday was a major feat of cleverness.
blue monday was defo a major use of technology, the same could be said about other songs from that period, like 586.
As for technical proficiency, I've always found "Failures" surprising (it's Joy Division, not New Order, I know). Isn't Barney reputed not to be much of a guitar player--just strums chords and does a little picking when he's focused and not singing? "Failures" seems to contradict that. He's not singing, but he beats out two rough but exciting solos, and this was way back in 1978 or so--wasn't he just learning how to play at that point? He doesn't seem to have done any guitar playing that flashy ever since.
Bernard was a great guitarist. Now he's average live...on record though he still plays some good stuff. It's not all Phil, or if it is, he's definitely tapping NO trademark guitar riffs on "Krafty"!
Michael Patrick wrote: As for technical proficiency, I've always found "Failures" surprising (it's Joy Division, not New Order, I know). Isn't Barney reputed not to be much of a guitar player--just strums chords and does a little picking when he's focused and not singing? "Failures" seems to contradict that. He's not singing, but he beats out two rough but exciting solos, and this was way back in 1978 or so--wasn't he just learning how to play at that point? He doesn't seem to have done any guitar playing that flashy ever since.
They're pretty basic solos though, aren't they? Just up and down the scale with a few bendy double-stops thrown in. Pretty much standard punk fare circa 77/78.
There's kind of two ways to answer the question; either which song is the most technical in a 'uses shitloads of gear and has live stuff on the top' way, or ' which song requires the highest level of technical ability to play'?
For the former - as others have said, maybe TPK or BM? For the latter, I haven't a clue, as virtually all NO songs are very simple to play. Some of Steve's drum patterns are a stretch - the 16th note stuff like Transmission is tough for some drummers to execute well.
I heard Perfect Kiss is so technical they haven't been able to playm it since 1993, as since then new synths have been introduced and it's too complicated to convert the coding.
Joel Noble wrote: Where on earth can you find Saville's sountrack? I've never heard it.
Soundtrack was only available from the Design Musuem, in limited numbers when the Saville Exhibition was going on. 30 minutes in length, and great to listen to while lounging in the sun. Guess you're looking at Ebay to find it now...
Andy
Retroesque wrote: I heard Perfect Kiss is so technical they haven't been able to playm it since 1993, as since then new synths have been introduced and it's too complicated to convert the coding.
I've long thought that in a case like that they should just go ahead and attempt to play the song on guitar/bass/drum, maybe with live synth, or do some sort of otherwise minimal version--just make do and try something different. I'm sure they could do it.
I can only speak for the drumming side of things due to my duties with Re:Order and besides I can't play anything-else..
When I first joined I thought New Order stuff would be really simple to play but after delving deeper into it I found that again I was wrong. I found Steve to be a deceptively technical drummer ok so he isn't John Bonham and live they have their moments but still.
The one's I find the toughest to play is stuff like Sunrise, Transmission, some of the stuff on Movement like Senses I think it is and quite a bit of JD Stuff, but then I tend to be more adept at the dance stuff rather than the rock stuff..
As for other guitar playing I wouldn't have a clue 'Digital' seems quite intense
Retroesque wrote: I heard Perfect Kiss is so technical they haven't been able to playm it since 1993, as since then new synths have been introduced and it's too complicated to convert the coding.
It's not complication that is the problem, it is the fact that they haven't been bothered to do it! Jon and Phil from Digital managed to program it from scratch, it's not all that difficult if you work at it.
warrenf wrote: I can only speak for the drumming side of things due to my duties with Re:Order and besides I can't play anything-else..
When I first joined I thought New Order stuff would be really simple to play but after delving deeper into it I found that again I was wrong. I found Steve to be a deceptively technical drummer ok so he isn't John Bonham and live they have their moments but still.
The one's I find the toughest to play is stuff like Sunrise, Transmission, some of the stuff on Movement like Senses I think it is and quite a bit of JD Stuff, but then I tend to be more adept at the dance stuff rather than the rock stuff..
As for other guitar playing I wouldn't have a clue 'Digital' seems quite intense
Digital's guitar part is just all about the timing, and it's made a lot easier by the effects pedals! It's not a technically difficult part to play, no JD guitar parts are. Probably only Everyone Everywhere contains a technically difficult guitar part out of all the JD/NO songs.
oldmonkey wrote:
warrenf wrote: I can only speak for the drumming side of things due to my duties with Re:Order and besides I can't play anything-else..
When I first joined I thought New Order stuff would be really simple to play but after delving deeper into it I found that again I was wrong. I found Steve to be a deceptively technical drummer ok so he isn't John Bonham and live they have their moments but still.
The one's I find the toughest to play is stuff like Sunrise, Transmission, some of the stuff on Movement like Senses I think it is and quite a bit of JD Stuff, but then I tend to be more adept at the dance stuff rather than the rock stuff..
As for other guitar playing I wouldn't have a clue 'Digital' seems quite intense
Digital's guitar part is just all about the timing, and it's made a lot easier by the effects pedals! It's not a technically difficult part to play, no JD guitar parts are. Probably only Everyone Everywhere contains a technically difficult guitar part out of all the JD/NO songs.
Everyone Everywhere is a piece of p*ss to play. Its just 3 barre chords.
Id say Perfect Kiss, 1963, Run and This Time Of Night were the most complex of songs they have done.
NO Regret wrote:
oldmonkey wrote:
warrenf wrote: I can only speak for the drumming side of things due to my duties with Re:Order and besides I can't play anything-else..
When I first joined I thought New Order stuff would be really simple to play but after delving deeper into it I found that again I was wrong. I found Steve to be a deceptively technical drummer ok so he isn't John Bonham and live they have their moments but still.
The one's I find the toughest to play is stuff like Sunrise, Transmission, some of the stuff on Movement like Senses I think it is and quite a bit of JD Stuff, but then I tend to be more adept at the dance stuff rather than the rock stuff..
As for other guitar playing I wouldn't have a clue 'Digital' seems quite intense
Digital's guitar part is just all about the timing, and it's made a lot easier by the effects pedals! It's not a technically difficult part to play, no JD guitar parts are. Probably only Everyone Everywhere contains a technically difficult guitar part out of all the JD/NO songs.
Everyone Everywhere is a piece of p*ss to play. Its just 3 barre chords.
Id say Perfect Kiss, 1963, Run and This Time Of Night were the most complex of songs they have done.
Not for Barney it ain't, according to him! You'd think he'd know, having written the fucker!
