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Not being funny, but I only cast 10 votes and NONE of them came home. Is this a first?! I have fcuk all luck laying horses, perhaps I should've put some money on this instead!
Have to say, don't actually recognise many of the names at first glance and seems a lot of the people who do generally take part in a 'community' like the Digital and Re-Order lads have all fallen by the wayside. Shame to see they didn't get more support off people they genuinely know. C'est la vie.
Well in fairness, the stuff that did win was fabulous. I think 3 i didn't vote for made it, and there's one I really don't care for, but all the others are great. So fair play.
Actually yesterday, I had to pull a coupla votes from ppl I knew round here to make room for better tunes. Tho BA/Will still got a vote outta me.
Fabulous or not, surely there's enough people here who know enough other people here to help elevate them into a top 10 spot.
I've said my piece about this venture before. It's not much of a 'Community' offering when it involves people we don't actually know.
Shame really, don't know what more to say.
I see your point Al, and agree to an extent, but at the end of the day , it IS a competition about music, and for the most part the best music won it. I think it was more to do with the entry than the competition if you get my meaning....right at the start I said I had fears about loads of outsiders with massive resources slamming into it. And while it didn't happen like that what did happen is that a lot of not-so-regulars kicked our arses, and it's no bad thing, again, from a musical point of view. I dunno if you've be able/inclined to listen to the top 10, but if not, do so, there's some seriously good music.
Stunned you didn't vote for O'Ou tho mate 
I voted for the music - tried not to look into who was doing each song to be honest... Of my 20 votes, 5 made it... And there's only 1 track in the final 10 which I don't really like and that's more to do with the song, rather than the version... I suppose like all these attempts to come up with a definitive NO best of, it's a very subjective thing - overall the tracks that made it whilst not necessarily being my favourites are a decent representation of what's out there and a good advert for NO and for NOOL, even if not all of the winners are regular contributors... Maybe someone could organise a 'regular posters' playlist?
SHEDi xxx
Al Jarvis wrote: Not being funny, but I only cast 10 votes and NONE of them came home. Is this a first?! I have fcuk all luck laying horses, perhaps I should've put some money on this instead!
Have to say, don't actually recognise many of the names at first glance and seems a lot of the people who do generally take part in a 'community' like the Digital and Re-Order lads have all fallen by the wayside. Shame to see they didn't get more support off people they genuinely know. C'est la vie.
thank you for the sentiment. I understand what you're saying about the 'community' tag but I don't feel that we fell by the wayside in the end - we got a top twenty position (could have been top 15 with 2 more votes but that doesn't really matter). we think that's quite respectable. a lot of the artists who've contributed are serious musicians with a far greater knowledge of the art, more time and better resources. I didn't join nick until about a week before the deadline so the learning curve was quite steep but in it's own way, something of a reward. as a first time stab at work of this level we should both be quite pleased with our results and of course the support of the members of the 'community' who offered such encouragement. eg. yourself and cambo - thanks.
I also found making the re: order podcast an interesting creative exercise and my next project will be to combine the two... anyone care to join me?
I would say that with (an unrepresentative) 50% of the final 10 having female vocalists, the top ten definitely shows that the online community feel that there's a lack of the feminine touch here. for commIII I'm taking my top off too - and getting steve or bentley to produce my breasts.
I daresay that had Re: Order contributed something in their own right, rather than as guests of the board's resident knob 
then you would have been surefire winners. A lot of people wouldn't have realised that it was you and Ian making big contributions to that track, and didn't vote because they thought it was Nick's work, and he's managed to piss them off in any one of a variety of ways ;)
Yet again with this project though, people have got wind of there being a free showcase competition and have turned up on the site for just long enough to register, then submitted a track and contributed absolutely zero to NOOL besides that track. They know who they are (though the chances of them actually reading this are nigh on zero). The guys I feel sorry for are the ones who are part of NOOL and who produced really good tracks, like Flight, Gnu Odor, Steve Campbell, Conrad, CTB, all of whom have been denied a place by people who are only "NOOL members" to get on the record, and who will probably never set foot in the place again.
oldmonkey wrote: I daresay that had Re: Order contributed something in their own right, rather than as guests of the board's resident knob twiddler, then you would have been surefire winners. A lot of people wouldn't have realised that it was you and Ian making big contributions to that track, and didn't vote because they thought it was Nick's work
Yet again with this project though, people have got wind of there being a free showcase competition and have turned up on the site for just long enough to register, then submitted a track and contributed absolutely zero to NOOL besides that track. They know who they are (though the chances of them actually reading this are nigh on zero). The guys I feel sorry for are the ones who are part of NOOL and who produced really good tracks, like Flight, Gnu Odor, Steve Campbell, Conrad, CTB, all of whom have been denied a place by people who are only "NOOL members" to get on the record, and who will probably never set foot in the place again.
thank you, I'll take that as you putting your hand up for the faketory all-stars podcast offer then!
we talked before about the unresolvable ironies of our respective bands working on CommII and the intractable conflict of imagination with authenticity. following the 'imagination' line we would have probably opted for a pseudonym anyway and ultimately I believe re: order would have met a similar fate to 'barneyarmy+' as the same production technique limitations would have hampered their work. but onward we go and with ever more experience at our disposal...
I agree with your latter point, although there are quite a few familiar names in the top ten (in part due to CommI) and the final word has to be that we all decided who put them on there. which is Al's point I guess. I would have been more happy knowing that the people I share a space with everyday had made it, and I'm not sure what the value of opening it to a wider audience of subscribers was - other than they apparently made more popular product. bastard muggles.
oldmonkey wrote: again with this project though, people have got wind of there being a free showcase competition and have turned up on the site for just long enough to register, then submitted a track and contributed absolutely zero to NOOL besides that track. They know who they are (though the chances of them actually reading this are nigh on zero). The guys I feel sorry for are the ones who are part of NOOL and who produced really good tracks, like Flight, Gnu Odor, Steve Campbell, Conrad, CTB, all of whom have been denied a place by people who are only "NOOL members" to get on the record, and who will probably never set foot in the place again.
Sentiments echoed here.
Not wanting to appear too critical but there seems a bit of an arbitrary entry requirement for Community.
If the intention was to have a community of NOOL regulars record NO tracks for their (and our) enjoyment, well it's not really being accomplished. I don't know most of the finalists and frankly don't really care about them. Many don't contribute anything to NOOL outside of this comp. If it meant the risk of diminishing the final product quality just so we could have a laugh/admire the output of people we know, that'd be fine by me.
If the intention was to have a superior final product and open the comp up to all-comers, then why not be upfront about it? Why hide behind some NOOL member reqirement that clearly isn't stringent enough. It's not as though these winners mean more to us than anyone else who wants to record a NO track and enter outside of NOOL. They just worked out how to log onto NOOL and qualify where others didn't. If you go down this path, why call it Community? It all becomes a bit of a NOOL branding exercise rather than something that the regulars here can relate to.
I'm not criticising the efforts and organisation that goes into the whole project, it just leaves some of us a bit bemused as to its intentions.
:\pimp3:
Al Jarvis wrote: Not being funny, but I only cast 10 votes and NONE of them came home. Is this a first?! I have fcuk all luck laying horses, perhaps I should've put some money on this instead!
Al, please assure me you meant to say "playing" horses.
Gnu Odor wrote:
Al Jarvis wrote: Not being funny, but I only cast 10 votes and NONE of them came home. Is this a first?! I have fcuk all luck laying horses, perhaps I should've put some money on this instead!
Al, please assure me you meant to say "playing" horses.
Nope, laying. Defo. 
It actually means 'betting that a horse will LOSE' but I'll let your imagination run wild for a moment longer!
oldmonkey wrote: I daresay that had Re: Order contributed something in their own right, rather than as guests of the board's resident knob
We were informed that we shouldn't use the Re: Order connection on this track, that's why we didn't play it too much.
Yet again with this project though, people have got wind of there being a free showcase competition and have turned up on the site for just long enough to register, then submitted a track and contributed absolutely zero to NOOL besides that track. They know who they are (though the chances of them actually reading this are nigh on zero). The guys I feel sorry for are the ones who are part of NOOL and who produced really good tracks, like Flight, Gnu Odor, Steve Campbell, Conrad, CTB, all of whom have been denied a place by people who are only "NOOL members" to get on the record, and who will probably never set foot in the place again.
Well, you are probably talking about our #1 song there? Because all the others have been registered for a while on here.. I was quite surprised to see people were registered for more than 3 years, etc.
As for Al's comment, if Community 2 sells enough, we will be releasing Community 2.5, and if I check the list, most of the members you are talking about are making the cut of the second album.
To be honest, there was a lot of quality tunes this time around, I had a hard time selecting my own 20 because I left out at least 6 other songs I felt were worthy of making the cut. I ended up with 9 out of 10 on the album, and I voted on the first day to make sure the results wouldn't influence me. I did change one vote because of a promise I did to Kingspin that if he would finish his song, I would vote for it.
If tomorrow we do the 2nd disc, check who's on:
Gnu Odor, CTB, Steve Campbell, Flight, Manumatic, Barney Army, Razed In A New Division of Agony and CuanaD!
8 regulars!
And trust me, there is nothing more in the world I want than a second disc at this point, I pushed for a double album but we are doomed to a catastrophe if we do that because of the huge costs it would imply. (2500$ of licensing just to start with, might be more than that though)
Maybe a gentlemen VS players thing?
Tho fuck knows how half of us would work out what team to be on (notwitstanding the poor state of Gentlemanly conduct round these parts 
). I mean I would be a "gentleman" based on being a NOOLer of some time served, but could not honestly say I was an out and out amateur ( Al Jarvis, whatever you're thinking of replying to that don't! 
).
So perhaps.......
"outsiders" (sub1000 posts) VS "insiders" (1000+)
Bit too late to try and drop arbitrary battle lines onto this competition but mayhaps for C3? tho I would hope that's not for a coupla years.
Spotnick wrote:
Gnu Odor, CTB, Steve Campbell, Flight, Manumatic, Barney Army, Razed In A New Division of Agony and CuanaD!
Reads like a rogues gallery, well some of them are well behaved.
Al Jarvis wrote: It actually means 'betting that a horse will LOSE' but I'll let your imagination run wild for a moment longer!
OK, but I draw the line at sheep and the occasional goat in a pinch.
Spotnick wrote:
Yet again with this project though, people have got wind of there being a free showcase competition and have
As for Al's comment, if Community 2 sells enough, we will be releasing Community 2.5, and if I check the list, most of the members you are talking about are making the cut of the second album. .. (2500$ of licensing just to start with, might be more than that though)
Credit goes to everybody who was involved with C2 w/ some high quality and very marketable tunes submitted. Shame that only a dozen will make it to the CD. The way that I read the rules was to have some fun, record a song that in turn could Internationally advertise your band/ solo outfit with the starting point being a love for JD/ NO.
EDIT- the 2.5 CD sounds like an excellent idea. Even to have mention of all the bands that originally entered w/ web links to their sites and/ or original tunes if they'd like the advertising.
Congratulations to the winners...
I don't think it really matters how often they post or don't post here; the competition was open to all.
Al Jarvis wrote: Fabulous or not, surely there's enough people here who know enough other people here to help elevate them into a top 10 spot.
I've said my piece about this venture before. It's not much of a 'Community' offering when it involves people we don't actually know.
Shame really, don't know what more to say.
You may have blown your chances with Oo'na...
Jarvis sums up exactly what many NOOLers feared:
We would submit songs and be judged instead by our popularity on the forums.
Al, you might as well have lobbied for the Com2 entry rules to have been:
You can only submit a song if a NOOL poll says you are a REAL NOOL Member (and we all know who they are, those kids who sit at the 'popular' table here....)
You can only submit a song if you have over 5000 posts.
You can only submit a song if you are a Viking or they like you....
Then you'd be happy, eh?
Hey, Al, you can always make your own Vikings Comm cd, and it will only be the REAL Noolers allowed.... I have such great ideas, eh?
:)
Spotnick, you seem to be implying that you're not happy with the outcome. Indeed, there's a general feeling of bemusement amongst all the regulars, who were just waiting to see what order the people we'd heard of would appear (and the liner notes, of course).
What's stopping you from just changing all the rules and doing what you want? It's your train set - play with it how you want.
If I were you, I would disqualify the top ten for taking it far too seriously and go straight to Community 2.5 - the cd we all want to see.
It would be a lot more Factory of you to "put out a record with a few of your mates" and there would be much more chance of organising performances of the versions on the disk at NOOL day.
If you feel the need for a bit of democracy, why not have a little poll - "Do it my way" or "Stick to the rules"?
If that doesn't go your way, you could ignore that too
Seems a massive shame for you to work so hard for something you're not 100% happy with, especially when the result hasn't got much to do with the 'Community' at all.
And Happy Birthday, Tarbox.
They could always just change the name of Com2 to
"Some New Order Covers by Folks Who Have Barely Posted at NOOL"
and then take your advice and make Com 2.5 into the real Com 2
..........
What Would Tony Wilson Do?
Tarbox23 wrote:
What Would Tony Wilson Do?
Are you suggesting that Spotty should dress all the artists in shorts and rub gravy browning into their legs?
[black]Diamond[/black] wrote: Spotnick, you seem to be implying that you're not happy with the outcome. Indeed, there's a general feeling of bemusement amongst all the regulars, who were just waiting to see what order the people we'd heard of would appear (and the liner notes, of course).
Well, I think nobody can be completly pleased by the results unless they got 10 out of 10.
That's democracy... ;)
I swear you couldn't give free beer away on this site without a fucking row kicking off.
look, playtime's over....the bottom line is, loads of good new[1] music got made, there's nothing remotely negative about that so why make something of it?
Just SSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
FOR ONCE!!!!!!!!
Ungrateful buggers the lot of us.
A happy loser (shut up!)
[1] at least in terms of those who did not do slavish clones, and I bet even they had a ball...it's all good ;)
I do admit I was very surprised to find that only 2 people I voted for were put on the CD... but then taking a moment back - I've got interesting likes of music... I don't always finish out majority vote on my picks.
I'm glad two of my picks got on though, because I really thought they were THAT fantastic. I'll just have to console myself with the unpicked's memory.
Steve Campbell wrote: I swear you couldn't give free beer away on this site without a fucking row kicking off.
Free beer? That would be condoning alcoholism!
You should be ashamed! Trying to tempt people like that... even mentioning beer on this forum could cause someone to slip up and go out and get drunk....
And there are some underaged folks reading this forum.
Just what kind of message are you sending?
:D
i see the album as a collection of covers made by new order fans, not necessarily NOOL platinum club members. if a bunch of mates want to throw together a NO tribute album and have a laugh about it that's fine, but it's not worth all the time and money nic, mike and others have invested in the project.
Tarbox23 wrote: Jarvis sums up exactly what many NOOLers feared:
We would submit songs and be judged instead by our popularity on the forums.
Al, you might as well have lobbied for the Com2 entry rules to have been:
You can only submit a song if a NOOL poll says you are a REAL NOOL Member (and we all know who they are, those kids who sit at the 'popular' table here....)
You can only submit a song if you have over 5000 posts.
You can only submit a song if you are a Viking or they like you....
Then you'd be happy, eh?
Hey, Al, you can always make your own Vikings Comm cd, and it will only be the REAL Noolers allowed.... I have such great ideas, eh?
:)
Strewth. You misread my comments entirely, Tarby. As usual. I've stated from the start that I had absolutely no interest in this project. I like New Order. End of. I don't give a fuck about other people's versions of New Order songs. And why should I?! There's enough new muzak out there without having to sit down and listen to 'takes' on songs I don't even listen to any more by the artiste 'proper'.
But, Nic implied it was our duty to give this a shot. And I made a half-hearted attempt at it. And voted for people I know. And why not? What interest do I have in someone on the other side of the globe's 'take' on New Order songs? Nothing. Hearing your mates do something though, now that interests me.
I really don't give a fcuk who gets onto Community2 so don't suggest there should be a Viking CD, or whatever, because As I Have Stated A Billion Times I have no interest in covers.
Why you're whinging is beyond me anyways. You have made barbed comments about Digital (I think?) or possibly Re-Order on this very forum a year back for showing a 'lack of imagination' (I think this was your comment?) for doing cover versions and you, yourself, have been very dismissive of cover bands cos you write your own material. So fcuk knows why this has got your goat now.
Anyways, all the winners aren't well known posters here, so you really have no reason to stamp your feet, now do you?
I'd like to leave an "outsiders" viewpoint here. I came across this site purely by accident in December and therefore stumbled upon the Community II competition. I am not a regular user of the Internet and never will be, I'm not of the Messenger/bulletin board generation - does that mean I'm not a genuine fan of New Order ?
Acoustic Division are complete amatuers and were never likley to end up winning (eliminated in the first round, 51st in the final) but that does not mean that it wasn't an amazing experience for me and especially my 13 year old daughter (obviously not a bona fide NO fan). It seems to me that the whole point of the competition was to give New Order fans with varying degrees of muscial ability an opportunity to have like minded fans listen to their interprations and enjoy other peoples takes of their favourite songs. I've had an absolute blast listeneing to other peoples versions, commenting on them and getting feedback on our own contribution. If you listen to the songs I don't think you can argue that they were not done by genuine fans.
Now there's the crucial question - was the competition for fans or long time members of NOOL ? I think the rules are clear as can be - just like the Scottish Football rules that stated that although Morton finsihed second top of their division, clear by 13 points, they still could not get promoted cos they lost out in the playoffs. The rules are clear at the start of the season for everyone.
Quite frankly, if people on here are so precious about their closed shop website then they can stick it up their collective arses and I'll feck off and never darken it's pages again.
Bob
Morton_fan wrote: Quite frankly, if people on here are so precious about their closed shop website then they can stick it up their collective arses and I'll feck off and never darken it's pages again.
Strewth (again). It's got fcuk all about being a Closed Shop. You yourself hit the nail on the head - you took an interest because you submitted an entry. I don't know you so explain to me in simple terms as to why I should give a flying one about your entry, or indeed any entries.
As I've already stated, the only ones I showed an interest was with people I've met. Whether that be the likes of Candy in Oz or Churchy in the US, though I barely spoke to either of them for 5mins max. But I've met them, so if they produce some muzak, I'm happy to give it a blast. That's just human nature. I mean, for fuck's sake, I like a good wedding. But funnily enough I only go to weddings of people I know, I wouldn't gatecrash someone else's just for the fun of it. Poor analogy, but there you go. Just cos I like New Order DOES NOT MEAN I need to take any interest whatsoever in other people's covers of New Order. The only interest I have is of the 'human' kind looking at the work of people I know.
Why some people find this so incredulously hard to fathom is entirely beyond me.
Morton_fan wrote:
Quite frankly, if people on here are so precious about their closed shop website then they can stick it up their collective arses and I'll feck off and never darken it's pages again.
Bob
Some are, Bob, but by no means all... Arguments seem to be a way of life here... Don't 'feck off' on account of what a few people say about the Commmunity thing...
SHEDi xxx
Gnome Alone wrote:
Morton_fan wrote:
Quite frankly, if people on here are so precious about their closed shop website then they can stick it up their collective arses and I'll feck off and never darken it's pages again.
Bob
Some are, Bob, but by no means all... Arguments seem to be a way of life here... Don't 'feck off' on account of what a few people say about the Commmunity thing...
SHEDi xxx
Rather simplistic, I feel. Nobody at all (that I am aware of, anyway) wants this website to be a closed shop, far from it. Everyone is welcome to contribute.
However, there was quite a lot of bad feeling amongst some of the site members at the time of Community I three years ago that some of the artists who made it onto the record were not contributors to the site, but were bands/artists who had heard about the competition and had decided to join up just to get on the record, and who then disappeared back where they came.
These reservations were aired when Community II was announced, before any voting started, and we were assured by the organisers that there would not be a repeat of the previous happenings. Instead, when it got underway, it transpired that the cut-off point was set so that in order to vote you had to have been registered before the song submission deadline, effectively preventing vote rigging but not preventing the people who have no interest in the site but who were merely interested in getting on a record.
Is it really that much to expect for people who are given a free record release to stick around a bit and at least try and contribute something to the site? Of those who made it onto Community I, 5 acts have not subsequently been around, indeed they didn't even try to compete in Community II.
Of the top 10 as voted by the NOOL membership for Community II, 5 have contributed little or nothing before the competition started, and about ten posts between them since the results were announced. Hardly part of a Community!
Don't know if the 'simplistic' was aimed at what I wrote, Tim... All I was saying was that Bob shouldn't abandon ship because of what some people are saying about Community2 - I read in what he wrote that he would stick around, post a bit, maybe, if there wasn't so much hostility... If people get involved and start posting, etc. because of entering the competition, that's a good thing, right... Having people scared off isn't... I was just saying that not everyone cares whether the C2 entrants are regular posters or not, although I understand perfectly why some may feel 'cheated' by folks getting a song on the CD and then disappearing without trace...
SHEDi xxx
You know, losing out to some randoms who did great tracks didn't bother me in the very slightest.
this carping and whimpering about it, and making arguments out of people raising valid things they want to air......that's deeply fucking annoying. If I were Spotty or wenn I'd be sitting there RIGHT now looking at a dialogue saying "are you sure you want to delte the folder C2 and all it's contents"
Gnome Alone wrote: Don't know if the 'simplistic' was aimed at what I wrote, Tim... All I was saying was that Bob shouldn't abandon ship because of what some people are saying about Community2 - I read in what he wrote that he would stick around, post a bit, maybe, if there wasn't so much hostility... If people get involved and start posting, etc. because of entering the competition, that's a good thing, right... Having people scared off isn't... I was just saying that not everyone cares whether the C2 entrants are regular posters or not, although I understand perfectly why some may feel 'cheated' by folks getting a song on the CD and then disappearing without trace...
SHEDi xxx
This isn't about scaring people off, Dave, far from it. But if Bob, or whoever, thinks I should take an interest in their output just cos it's a cover of New Order, then they're mistaken. But I will generally take an interest in the work of people I know. If Digital or Re-Order had done a cover of "Singing in the Rain" I'd have still taken a look at it, just cos I know them. Like I've said, that's human nature. My original point basically said it was a shame that more people didn't vote for the people they know. 3 of the 4 Digital lads are contributors here, as are 4 of the 5 Re-Order/Barney Army combo. If everyone who'd met the lads I've just mentioned actually had the decency to vote for them then they'd have each had 100 votes per track.
I've stated my ambivalence towards this project from the Day Dot (I was the same with the Original Community too) so why I have to defend my complete ambivalence now is beyond me.
Steve Campbell wrote: You know, losing out to some randoms who did great tracks didn't bother me in the very slightest.
this carping and whimpering about it, and making arguments out of people raising valid things they want to air......that's deeply fucking annoying. If I were Spotty or wenn I'd be sitting there RIGHT now looking at a dialogue saying "are you sure you want to delte the folder C2 and all it's contents"
DITTO!
Although I didn't enter and I didn't vote (couldn't get it to work...)
This thread is complete bollocks!
Al, Ok, you're only interested in your mate's work, but would it really be so hard to give a few mins listening time to other people's tracks as well?
Asking that we loyally vote for regular posters is KER-RAP!
Surely we should loyally vote for the song we think is the best!
If this isn't a closed community, then complaining about the lack of support from regular posters, for other regular posters, makes no sense at all.
I really can't believe this thread exists; such a positive project is being piddled all over!
Craig W wrote: Al, Ok, you're only interested in your mate's work, but would it really be so hard to give a few mins listening time to other people's tracks as well?
Look at my voting. I did the people I know, then a couple I was intrigued by. I know I voted for Murder cos I liked what they'd attempted to do with it. I had no idea who that artist was.
But expecting me to sit down and listen to - what? - sixty tracks, was it, simply because they're New Order cover versions?! Oh, please. When do people find the time to do that?! No soundcard at work so that's out of the equation unfortunately.
Fair play to all those involved but, quite frankly, I had no real interest in this project. I fail to see why people find that so hard to fathom. And I really don't understand why I have to defend myself on this. If this album is supposedly representative of this Community then fine, but I personally don't see it.
Craig W wrote:
Although I didn't enter and I didn't vote (couldn't get it to work...)
And your opinion is valid because? You obviously give such a toss about this that you didn't even lift a finger!
That bloody word "community" just seems to cause trouble, dunnit?? Call it something more neutral, I reckon.
It's probably representative of what the community likes to vote for, rather than what it is comprised of.
oldmonkey wrote:
Craig W wrote:
Although I didn't enter and I didn't vote (couldn't get it to work...)
And your opinion is valid because? You obviously give such a toss about this that you didn't even lift a finger!
YES. I. DID. LIFT. A. FINGER.
I tried 4 times to get the damn thing to work; it wouldn't! Maybe it's my computer!?
Craig W wrote:
oldmonkey wrote:
Craig W wrote:
Although I didn't enter and I didn't vote (couldn't get it to work...)
And your opinion is valid because? You obviously give such a toss about this that you didn't even lift a finger!
YES. I. DID. LIFT. A. FINGER.
I tried 4 times to get the damn thing to work; it wouldn't! Maybe it's my computer!?
Fair enough. Did you take it up with Spotnick?
oldmonkey wrote:
Craig W wrote:
oldmonkey wrote:
Craig W wrote:
Although I didn't enter and I didn't vote (couldn't get it to work...)
And your opinion is valid because? You obviously give such a toss about this that you didn't even lift a finger!
YES. I. DID. LIFT. A. FINGER.
I tried 4 times to get the damn thing to work; it wouldn't! Maybe it's my computer!?
Fair enough. Did you take it up with Spotnick?
Nope; I saw a few people had the same problem so I didn't want to increase the size of his headache being only one fish in a big sea.
I do care about community, but as I couldn't make the damn thing work I just figured I would wait for the end product...
I even had problems with the original community- I tried to buy the CD and EP about 6 times... but again the computer was screwing me around...
Hopefully this time my computer and a C2 purchase will interact better> I've never had trouble buying stuff online before.
Everyone's reason for being interested in or not interested in a bunch of New Order covers is as valid as everybody elses. For some, the idea of listening to 50+ of these may be thrilling, or may seem as much fun as knawing your own leg off. Some would like to do it, but don't have the time, and some have the time to agonize over every beat of every version.
I think the reason people are taking issue with you Al, is that you claim not to give a fuck about the whole thing apart from supporting your mates (fair enough approach), but seem to think that it would be better if everyone approached Community in the same way as you. Why should they?
Steve Campbell talks a lot of sense on this thread.
Craig W wrote: Nope; I saw a few people had the same problem...
Woo hoo - It IS just like Florida! Community 2 has got chodes!
(Was it chodes? Those little flaps of cardboard on the voting slips.)
RE-COUNT!
RE-COUNT!
nic offered the shift in perspective elsewhere that still seems to be the point to me.
the community tag was for voting rights rather than contribution rights. the editing rights and control of the material on the album was the privilege and property of all those registered on this site. if everyone chose to vote for their chums only or for bands that don't post here because they liked their music better and wanted to see those bands on 'their' CD then how is that not an example of community action? this divergent points of view represented here perhaps come from the perception of there being two different 'communities' : the community of forum users who are able to vote and the community of forum users who are also musicians. the number of voters on this site outweigh the number of musical contributors so that would also support the notion of the album being their community's property. [while also recognising that the musician's involvement makes for a greater emotional attachment - even the most severely myopic contributor would only want to be on an album of the best quality material]
I also think that post-result, everyone comments have been generalised to be 'moans'. I took Al's opening post as an observation rather than a complaint.
to me the whole process and the ideology has been quite transparent. however, the technology wasn't. so I only ever got to hear less than 2 mins of each track through the profiles. [and if you think I've got the bandwidth/time to download every podcast and scroll through the original compositions and original NO... well, like Al I don't have the level of interest to sustain that commitment across 70 odd 1hr pieces of media] at worst, community II is just a victim of its own success.
If this was done in the true spirit of the band and the pre-gig meet-ups (frankly, the only time there's ever a genuine sense of 'community'), the finalists would have been chosen via a drinking competition: all day on the Stella, the last people to pass out get to appear on the eventual CD.
More democratic, more fun, and infinitely healthier (in a social sense, at least) than tippety-tapping away at your wee keyboards in varying degrees of righteous rage.
"Community" always was a shit name for this, as was pointed out at great length by a number of people at the time of the first record.
Given the way this place has become a virtual battleground at times, it is now bordering on parody!
You lot all want thrashing, seriously.
Al says his piece, which I disagree with but can handle, and everyone kicks off.
If you do not like the results of the competition....here's an astounding idea...burn the ones YOU like to a cdr and save yerself a tenner.
a more ungrateful and argumentative shower of shites I never met. Now, ALL of you, have a fucking Jelly baby and shut the fuck up.
DC, any sense I may have made here was purely down to the "infinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of typewriters" phenomenon
DC wrote: I think the reason people are taking issue with you Al, is that you claim not to give a fuck about the whole thing apart from supporting your mates (fair enough approach), but seem to think that it would be better if everyone approached Community in the same way as you. Why should they?
If we're gonna have a Community offering then I personally think it should at least be representative of this Community.
Community isn't. It's as relevant to me personally as any other cover versions which have come before, whether that be Paul Young's LWTUA or Moby's Temptation. They're just covers done by people I don't know and I have no connection with.
Gnome Alone wrote: Let's call the next one Ultraviolence, then...
SHEDi xxx
That was almost funny, and would have been had we not submitted said song as our Community II entry! (Which, thankfully got the panning it deserved, being shite. You can't polish a turd.)
To make it more 'Communal'; maybe next time limit entries to the 1st 20 NOOL members who enter who have also made at least 1,000 posts.
Maybe a bit harsh on newbies, so why not call it 'BRUTAL'.
Al Jarvis wrote:
DC wrote: I think the reason people are taking issue with you Al, is that you claim not to give a fuck about the whole thing apart from supporting your mates (fair enough approach), but seem to think that it would be better if everyone approached Community in the same way as you. Why should they?
If we're gonna have a Community offering then I personally think it should at least be representative of this Community.
what, a CD of people arguing and talking shit? :-)
the CD is representative of the tastes of the people on this site (ie that community)
and cambo, as I pointed out in my previous post, there's a tendency to simplify everyone's point of view here. my comments about the project and the post match discussion weren't moans - so hold back from lumping everyone's discussion points in as being negative
Steve Campbell wrote: You lot all want thrashing, seriously.
Al says his piece, which I disagree with but can handle, and everyone kicks off.
...
a more ungrateful and argumentative shower of shites I never met. Now, ALL of you, have a fucking Jelly baby and shut the fuck up...
Sorry SC, I read this thread as an exchange of opinions, comments on the opinions of others and you popping up every now and again shrieking at everyone to shut up and threatening to thrash people.
Them babies are full of additives you know. Perhaps you should share them around, they’re doing your head in!
What a kerfuffle!!! Perhaps the next one should be called "I'm So Grateful That I'd Like to Run My Tongue Along the Throbbing Shaft of Steve Campbell's Cock"??
Or maybe "Commode"????
And Tim Jauncey should be BANNED FOREVER for not liking "Ultraviolence". It's a right toe-tapper, after all!!!!
Steve Campbell wrote: If I were Spotty or wenn I'd be sitting there RIGHT now looking at a dialogue saying "are you sure you want to delte the folder C2 and all it's contents"
DO IT!!!
That would be so punk.
Disclaimer: Yes, I'm serious, and no, it's not out of disrespect or any doubt about the quality of the finalists. It's really just a reflection on the ratio of the work the producers have put in to the fun had. Music should not be a goddamn job (unless you're raking it in). And, speaking from experience, wiping tracks is very therapeutic.
And personal to Bob: I would so love to hear more Acoustic Division. Your recordings both sound like live takes to a single mic -- which I respect, but it would be so much fun to take your exquisite guitar playing and your daughter's voice and really mix them properly, add some reverb, etc. I'm thrilled at the releationship you have with your daughter and hope you always (1) encourage her and (2) keep her away from that Charlotte Church ... she's trouble.
I agree with Clayhead and Tim on this, seems to be the use (or perceived misuse) of the word "Community" that is causing all the kerfuffle here.
What should it have been called?
(The Good Doctor) Martin Fradley wrote: What a kerfuffle!!! Perhaps the next one should be called "I'm So Grateful That I'd Like to Run My Tongue Along the Throbbing Shaft of Steve Campbell's Cock"??
Or maybe "Commode"????
And Tim Jauncey should be BANNED FOREVER for not liking "Ultraviolence". It's a right toe-tapper, after all!!!!
Dunno what they put in the water in Stoke (well actually I do, it makes it salty), but Ultraviolence is one of my favourite NO songs, which is why we covered it! It's our version that doesn't really cut it, there's not enough vibrancy and bounce to it. That's what I think anyway, and dozens of you obviously agreed!
Al Jarvis wrote:
DC wrote: I think the reason people are taking issue with you Al, is that you claim not to give a fuck about the whole thing apart from supporting your mates (fair enough approach), but seem to think that it would be better if everyone approached Community in the same way as you. Why should they?
If we're gonna have a Community offering then I personally think it should at least be representative of this Community.
Community isn't. It's as relevant to me personally as any other cover versions which have come before, whether that be Paul Young's LWTUA or Moby's Temptation. They're just covers done by people I don't know and I have no connection with.
OK. Your position is clear. But you're really saying that the rules should have been different. That's a reasonable discussion to have before the event, but pretty pointless after.
[brown]Ally[/brown] wrote: I agree with Clayhead and Tim on this, seems to be the use (or perceived misuse) of the word "Community" that is causing all the kerfuffle here.
What should it have been called?
Probably "The Shed".
For fuck's fucking sake!
Craig W wrote: To make it more 'Communal'; maybe next time limit entries to the 1st 20 NOOL members who enter who have also made at least 1,000 posts.
Again, that's probably too extreme as well.
At the end of the day there shouldn't be any pre-requisites whatsoever for a project like this. ANYONE at all should be able to enter this, whether they postly regularly, or have never even visited the site.
My initial issue, if we go back to page one, is that the people on the final cut didn't seem representative of the folks on this site. And I was disappointed for people who've genuinely made an effort here over the years (not just by posting but gigging, like Digital and Re-Order) not making the grade.
Still, didn't the girl with her top off win this?! I didn't listen to their offering. Was it really that good?!
(The Good Doctor) Martin Fradley wrote: What a kerfuffle!!! Perhaps the next one should be called "I'm So Grateful That I'd Like to Run My Tongue Along the Throbbing Shaft of Steve Campbell's Cock"??
Sounds awesome, but I'm afraid you'd have trouble filling up a 12-incher with that one.
I think Dr Fradley is developing a severely unhealthy fascination with my undercarriage.
Gnu is right delete the lot, it's the punk thinkg to do ;)
Al Jarvis wrote:
Still, didn't the girl with her top off win this?! I didn't listen to their offering. Was it really that good?!
Yes, and yes it was good, but there isn't a lot being hidden by those strategically placed arms, look how close they are together!
Steve Campbell wrote: I think Dr Fradley is developing a severely unhealthy fascination with my undercarriage.
Gnu is right delete the lot, it's the punk thinkg to do ;)
Unhealthy?????? If it feels good, do it Steve-O!!!!
Al Jarvis wrote:
Still, didn't the girl with her top off win this?! I didn't listen to their offering. Was it really that good?!
Yeah not half bad actually. I dare say she raked in a few tit votes from the local letchers, but it's a very very good track.
DC wrote:
Al Jarvis wrote:
DC wrote: I think the reason people are taking issue with you Al, is that you claim not to give a fuck about the whole thing apart from supporting your mates (fair enough approach), but seem to think that it would be better if everyone approached Community in the same way as you. Why should they?
If we're gonna have a Community offering then I personally think it should at least be representative of this Community.
Community isn't. It's as relevant to me personally as any other cover versions which have come before, whether that be Paul Young's LWTUA or Moby's Temptation. They're just covers done by people I don't know and I have no connection with.
OK. Your position is clear. But you're really saying that the rules should have been different. That's a reasonable discussion to have before the event, but pretty pointless after.
But we did have this discussion before, after the first Community became a similar source of dissatisfaction, and we were led to believe by the organisers that this would not be the case this time, that only existing members would be eligible to participate. That got forgotten by the organisers when the competition began (despite protests), instead they decided that you had to be a member before x day to vote, something of a cop-out. As it happened, well over half the contestants joined the site specifically to participate!
DC wrote: OK. Your position is clear. But you're really saying that the rules should have been different. That's a reasonable discussion to have before the event, but pretty pointless after.
Indeed, I've just posted as such, DC before reading your response. I just don't see this as representative of the people who post here. Representative of their tastes maybe but not of the people. And the original pre-requisite of this project was that you HAD to be a poster here. But I don't think that needed to be the case. Why not just open it up to all-comers?
Either way, I simply have no interest in cover versions.
But I would've still voted for those I know! 
Just like I'd sponsor a mate doing a charity run, whether I have no interest in the charity in question, or not.
(The Good Doctor) Martin Fradley wrote: Unhealthy?????? If it feels good, do it Steve-O!!!!
if I could do that to myself, I'd never post again....ah right,see yer point.
oldmonkey wrote:
Al Jarvis wrote:
Still, didn't the girl with her top off win this?! I didn't listen to their offering. Was it really that good?!
Yes, and yes it was good, but there isn't a lot being hidden by those strategically placed arms, look how close they are together!
Indeedy... obviously I didn't hear it, but maybe people were actually voting for 'NOOL's Next Top Model' (TM).
(The Good Doctor) Martin Fradley wrote: If this was done in the true spirit of the band and the pre-gig meet-ups (frankly, the only time there's ever a genuine sense of 'community'), the finalists would have been chosen via a drinking competition: all day on the Stella, the last people to pass out get to appear on the eventual CD.
More democratic, more fun, and infinitely healthier (in a social sense, at least) than tippety-tapping away at your wee keyboards in varying degrees of righteous rage.
Nice, fun point there. But the true spirit of those gig meets has been captured many times - and those cds get copied many many times and cherished by all of us.
And getting on it is easy - just look for the man with the mic and push your way over to him. There's no democracy down at the front - it's mob rule all the way!
We even had a DVD out last year (one of my most treasured possessions).
Craig W wrote:
oldmonkey wrote:
Al Jarvis wrote:
Still, didn't the girl with her top off win this?! I didn't listen to their offering. Was it really that good?!
Yes, and yes it was good, but there isn't a lot being hidden by those strategically placed arms, look how close they are together!
Indeedy... obviously I didn't hear it, but maybe people were actually voting for 'NOOL's Next Top Model' (TM).
The song is cracking, and she's got a gorgeous voice, but it was a surefire winner putting a topless bird on the promo photo!
I was going to send in a topless photo with my entry, but I was afraid that would have been flat out unfair; besides, I wanted the focus to be on my music, not my hotness.
I'm too sexy for this comp. Too sexy for this comp.
Al Jarvis wrote:
Craig W wrote: To make it more 'Communal'; maybe next time limit entries to the 1st 20 NOOL members who enter who have also made at least 1,000 posts.
Again, that's probably too extreme as well.
At the end of the day there shouldn't be any pre-requisites whatsoever for a project like this. ANYONE at all should be able to enter this, whether they postly regularly, or have never even visited the site.
My initial issue, if we go back to page one, is that the people on the final cut didn't seem representative of the folks on this site. And I was disappointed for people who've genuinely made an effort here over the years (not just by posting but gigging, like Digital and Re-Order) not making the grade.
Still, didn't the girl with her top off win this?! I didn't listen to their offering. Was it really that good?!
My thoughts as well.
I must say, I did actually listen to a few songs, just at random, and didnt really think much of them. If i want to listen to New Order songs, I'll listen to New Order. Well, adn Re: Order, but i have to be very pissed for that.
2 things
Any links to the boobies?
Am I too early to ask if I'm too late to enter the sleeve contest yet?
Hank Wiseass© wrote: 2 things
Any links to the boobies?
Am I too early to ask if I'm too late to enter the sleeve contest yet?
1 http://www.booble.com 2 Check the Community 2 forum ya lazy get.
Can't believe how much this thread has been blown out of all proportion masel. Everyone's entitled to choose however they wish to vote.
I myself listened to all the songs (or at least long snippets of the songs) I wanted to make sure that the best of the songs were on the album. I didnae do bad I picked 7 of the 10.
And why the fuck were the Vikings brought into this? It seems too many fuck-wits are quick to shout Vikings and blame us for everything. Viking 2.5 CD? - Yeah right 
Steve Campbell wrote:
Now, ALL of you, have a fucking Jelly baby and shut the fuck up.
Thats exactly what I'm doing now - tesco jelly babies - 250gm pack only €0.75
BTW - my opinion - the community voted, so the result IS representative - of what we LIKE, not what we have made ourselves.
Also, Acustic Division - i voted for both your tracks - really like the mellow feel your style (bet you didn;t think you had a style!) lends to these tracks. Stick around, post a bit, its actually a lot of fun here most of the time
Shug wrote:
Hank Wiseass© wrote:
2 Check the Community 2 forum ya lazy get.
I read them, it looked too much like hard work. :\ohwell:
Uncle Liam wrote:
Al Jarvis wrote:
Craig W wrote: To make it more 'Communal'; maybe next time limit entries to the 1st 20 NOOL members who enter who have also made at least 1,000 posts.
Again, that's probably too extreme as well.
At the end of the day there shouldn't be any pre-requisites whatsoever for a project like this. ANYONE at all should be able to enter this, whether they postly regularly, or have never even visited the site.
My initial issue, if we go back to page one, is that the people on the final cut didn't seem representative of the folks on this site. And I was disappointed for people who've genuinely made an effort here over the years (not just by posting but gigging, like Digital and Re-Order) not making the grade.
Still, didn't the girl with her top off win this?! I didn't listen to their offering. Was it really that good?!
My thoughts as well.
I must say, I did actually listen to a few songs, just at random, and didnt really think much of them. If i want to listen to New Order songs, I'll listen to New Order. Well, adn Re: Order, but i have to be very pissed for that.
no liam, what you have to be very pissed for is : nicking setlists and launching yourself at the stage, not realising there is a height difference between the floor and stage, then falling over the monitors, flattening the mic stand and then singing almost unintelligibly along to a line and a half before retreating to the shadows of near obscurity. I have audio evidence if you'd like a copy...
Thats not very pissed... thats completely slaughtered!
Anyway, wasnt it Jarvo who nicked the set list?
granted, this last time. then you took it off him. but I've got video evidence of you nicking the one from the gig before. we've learned our lesson now and all our setlists are encrypted and bolted down. we'll say nothing of disappearing riders....
Facsimile wrote: granted, this last time. then you took it off him. but I've got video evidence of you nicking the one from the gig before. we've learned our lesson now and all our setlists are encrypted and bolted down. we'll say nothing of disappearing riders....
/me writes 12 gauge shotgun and elephant ammo into the tech rider.
Facsimile wrote: granted, this last time. then you took it off him.
Nope, I've defo still got it.
Looked good too, shame I can't remember any of it?!
Look, the votes show what the majority feels are the best tracks. I don't agree with some, and I'm blown away that Labster didn't get EITHER of his amazing tracks on the CD (along with Horse In Retirement and Republicans). But the final product is what the majority of us wanted. The ones sitting here bickering are hardly that. Just deal with it. Buy the CD or don't; it's your call.
[black]Diamond[/black] wrote: How many did the last one sell?
If memory serves, which it very often doesnae...
500 created, 500 gone. I think the band and management were sent copies as well.
oldmonkey wrote: "Community" always was a shit name for this, as was pointed out at great length by a number of people at the time of the first record.
Given the way this place has become a virtual battleground at times, it is now bordering on parody!
Don't blame me... the name I suggested was elimated
(Digital Republic)
This is quite a funny thread for someone who doesnt post very often, to see all those people who sit around here everyday talking about sheds and football and the size of their knobs sulking cos they didnt get on the cd....ha ha ha ..diddums I listened to most of the entries and voted for 8 of the top ten...ive been a fan for 25 years..bought everything New order have ever released...been to gigs etc etc but my post count is only 13 so apparently im not entitled to an opinion on which were the best songs. Well actually i am entitled and there are many other generally silent members of the "community" who are entitled too I based my votes on the quality and originality of the cover and not on whos got the biggest shed..if you dont like it tough... Why bother with a cd anyway...why not just make them available for download and charge for each track??? Also with so many Joy Division songs entered why not do a Joy Division competition..I personally thought it should have been exclusively New Order songs in this competition
Hank Wiseass© wrote:
Shug wrote:
Hank Wiseass© wrote:
2 Check the Community 2 forum ya lazy get.
I read them, it looked too much like hard work. :\ohwell:
Well, Mike (WenOrder) wanted to make sure this time the winning person knew what he was doing and would be able to do the full artwork of the album, not just a sleeve.
Last time we were lucky because Mike won, but this time he won't have the time to do the whole thing. He's not entering the competition.
Some people take this maybe a tid too seriously though.
I don't think anybody's top 10 made it, so nobody will be completly happy with the selection.
I wasn't on the first album, and I knew since day 1 some people didn't enjoy the fact that there were "outside bands" joining in, but I decided to face the music.
As so-called "producers", our goal was to deliver the best product possible with what we were given, and to help bands to get known among the New Order community.
I'm not saying the songs submitted with regular contributors to this forum wouldn't have done a great album, it's not true, but we were expecting a very difficult competition since we delivered the first one, and people knew what they were up to.
But again, this "community" is 25K members, not the 100-150 who are "regulars" in the forums. We received 104 entries, 10 were selected and those were in most people's top 20. The only people who could vote had to be registered to NOOL before Jan 1st 2006, that's was the deadline.
Once again, last time the competition brough their share of new "regulars" to this website, and I expect the same this time, it's not everybody's cup of tea to discuss about New Order 24/24h and 7/7 days, and I respect that, but one thing for sure, if they entered this competition it's because they visited this website.
All is needed to participate was good will and be a New Order fan, and again, it's the community that selected the winners, as they will select the winners for the other competitions, and I hope everybody enjoys the competition.
I respect the fact that some people don't care about this project, and despite what people think, I think Al did exactly what I asked and took a moment to vote.. so what he voted for his mates.. I did too! that's why we had 20 votes so we could spoil a few. I don't agree with all selections, but I'll live with it, and I will try my best to get my hand on a proper copy of my favorites.
I didn't care AT ALL for Tribute albums before working on Community, but this time, there is no doubt in my mind, this will be the best tribute album for New Order out there.
And once again, don't take this too seriously, it's a limited scope project from a fan site damn it... not like we're going to sell a bunchload of this, the scope will be 1000 copies this time, we are hoping to sell that much and invested our own money into this and we are very happy with the amount of participation, but it's evident that were will always be more losers than winners, that's a fact nobody can't deny.
I have latin blood in my veins, so I'm always fulled with good intentions and never see the problematic side of things.. I really wanted a double album, but let's be honest here.. minimum copies for having a real disc pressed is 500, to have a double album pressed, with prices of licensing and production, doing a double album might mean we would have to sell these 35$ each, maybe even more... this would mean less people willing to pay that much for an album like that.
Our goal is to deliver a quality product and the most affordable possible... NOOL is costing around 1200$ per year to run right now, so all income are needed now that the Amazon money is gone, that works only when the band is releasing stuff, so not anymore ;)
Anyways, as I always said, the goal is to promote new bands using New Order as the vehicule, we did great, but we could have done better ;)
and with that brilliant post, we should lock the thread.
Perfectly said as usual Nic....
(video here of everyone shaking hands....) :)
I haven't bothered reading all this, but I take it some people weren't too happy then? I wasn't happy either, for what it's worth, one song I voted for got selected, one other one was a maybe, and the other eight were on my 'absolutely not' list :\ohwell: I'll still buy the cd though, as it supports the site. but to be honest, it will stay in mint condition ...
Al Jarvis wrote:
Facsimile wrote: granted, this last time. then you took it off him.
Nope, I've defo still got it.
Looked good too, shame I can't remember any of it?!
To clarify, Liam tried to nick it mid gig, succeeded in picking off the stage only for Will to rescue it. He then placed it behind an amp.
After the gig Al stumbled onto the stage and got two set lists.
Liam, it was a pretty pathetic dash back into the shadows after your brief 'moment'.
DC wrote: Everyone's reason for being interested in or not interested in a bunch of New Order covers is as valid as everybody elses. For some, the idea of listening to 50+ of these .
And other visitors to this site may have fallen somewhere in the middle as I did. DC not sure where you've gotten the authority to be using the collective 'we especially in regards to this C2 competition because unless I'm wrong- and stranger things have happened - you did not record a song or vote - so why so much to say. I did listen to the face-off rounds but have only listened to parts of a few PodCasts of those that interested me. And it made for a nice 20 minutes late at night when I could get to the computer.
The criteria for voting was what you thought deserved a place on an International CD that hopefully could bring a bit of $ to this site + in turn advertise your band. Also really have no interest in covers but because JD/ NO and some from here were involved easily gave it a listen. What I did vote toward was 1. Quality and artististic license with the tune. 2. If I thought that being on the CD could benefit the respective band/ solo project. Some bands are already successful and very polished and didn't vote for the top Swede. Or is that topless.. but on the other hand did vote for Digital's Ultraviolence FWIW even if it did sound like it was recorded on the bottom of a filled swimming pool. Not only because I love the groovy tune but because of the NOOL link. the 2.5 are pretty much NOOL related and are pretty much where my votes were.
14 -K wrote:
DC wrote: Everyone's reason for being interested in or not interested in a bunch of New Order covers is as valid as everybody elses. For some, the idea of listening to 50+ of these .
And other visitors to this site may have fallen somewhere in the middle as I did. DC not sure where you've gotten the authority to be using the collective 'we especially in regards to this C2 competition because unless I'm wrong- and stranger things have happened - you did not record a song or vote - so why so much to say. I did listen to the face-off rounds but have only listened to parts of a few PodCasts of those that interested me. And it made for a nice 20 minutes late at night when I could get to the computer.
The criteria for voting was what you thought deserved a place on an International CD that hopefully could bring a bit of $ to this site + in turn advertise your band. Also really have no interest in covers but because JD/ NO and some from here were involved easily gave it a listen. What I did vote toward was 1. Quality and artististic license with the tune. 2. If I thought that being on the CD could benefit the respective band/ solo project. Some bands are already successful and very polished and didn't vote for the top Swede. Or is that topless.. but on the other hand did vote for Digital's Ultraviolence FWIW even if it did sound like it was recorded on the bottom of a filled swimming pool. Not only because I love the groovy tune but because of the NOOL link. the 2.5 are pretty much NOOL related and are pretty much where my votes were.
14-K : where do I use the collective 'we'? I'm simply pointing out in my post that in a community like this everyone has their own criteria for voting or NOT voting and that each is as valid as any other. So Al's wish to see regulars/mates on there is perfectly reasonable, as is any other criterion.
You're right, I didn't vote or enter. I really have no interest in New Order covers, although I'm sure some of them are good. There's too much other music out there and too little time. I am in two bands and we considered entering, but really couldn't see the point. However, that doesn't prevent me from having an opinion about the project or posting about it. I greatly admire this community and value being a part of it. I hope I've contributed something to it over the past couple of years, but I've certainly received more than I've given - it was the nature of the community that I was commenting on, not the project itself.
DC wrote: where do I use the collective 'we' I really have no interest in New Order covers, I am in two bands and we considered entering, but really couldn't see the point. However, that doesn't prevent me from having an opinion about the project or posting about it
it was the nature of the community that I was commenting on, not the project itself.
sorry, my mistake. Did take your post as simply a starting point, here this thread is three days and five pages long and marvelled that it's from, what I read, as Al's reflection that none of his 10 votes made it to what is designed as a NOOL CD. Which was very similar to my voting and stance on this all.
These last few weeks there have been a few threads where a lot of opinion has been passed that goes far out of the limits of 1. Either the thread topic. and/or 2. neworderonline codes of conduct and standards that would easily get dismissed as shallow or simply laughed at for being mild but has little place here. All Peace. (Revenges' Tune).
DC wrote: Yep...live in peace. I do think that these debates are kind of useful and healthy though.
Certainly, and it isn't about debating things to the nth degree or always ending in agreement. Can't understand locked threads quite frankly, for the most part either.
