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For a sense of the guy’s signature aesthetic, though, skip straight to Joy Division’s “Transmission”, and listen very carefully. Hannett, like many post-punk producers, was influenced by dub and interested in space, and you can hear it in the first 15 seconds.... By the song’s end, we feel like the band’s reaching incredible levels of nervy energy, but half of it is just Hannett: That synth hum has expanded to fill more and more space, it’s been joined by an insistent one-note plink, and the guitar chords have been stretched and blurred until the whole thing’s a drone. If Ian Curtis sounds trapped and paranoid, it’s because he has to bark harder and louder just to fight through the mix.

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"It’s in an early New Order track, where the synthesizers Hannett pushed on Joy Division find their payoff"

Did Hannett really 'push' synthesizers on JD though? Didn't the band see it as a natural progression, citing Kraftwerk as influences?

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FrogChorus wrote: "It’s in an early New Order track, where the synthesizers Hannett pushed on Joy Division find their payoff"

Did Hannett really 'push' synthesizers on JD though? Didn't the band see it as a natural progression, citing Kraftwerk as influences?

I think the Kraftwerk influence showed itself more on Closer. Apparently when the band were doing the Genesis demos they dug their heels in when it was suggested they incorporate synths.

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Wasim wrote:

FrogChorus wrote: "It’s in an early New Order track, where the synthesizers Hannett pushed on Joy Division find their payoff"

Did Hannett really 'push' synthesizers on JD though? Didn't the band see it as a natural progression, citing Kraftwerk as influences?

I think the Kraftwerk influence showed itself more on Closer. Apparently when the band were doing the Genesis demos they dug their heels in when it was suggested they incorporate synths.

I'm hoping that you actually mean GENETIC demos with Martin Rushent of Human League fame(some of which weren't too bad). It was the demos they recorded with Richard Searling's RCA mates(that later resurfaced as the Warsaw bootleg album) that was the one they hated the synths on.

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Gillian Fanciers Association wrote:

Wasim wrote:

FrogChorus wrote: "It’s in an early New Order track, where the synthesizers Hannett pushed on Joy Division find their payoff"

Did Hannett really 'push' synthesizers on JD though? Didn't the band see it as a natural progression, citing Kraftwerk as influences?

I think the Kraftwerk influence showed itself more on Closer. Apparently when the band were doing the Genesis demos they dug their heels in when it was suggested they incorporate synths.

I'm hoping that you actually mean GENETIC demos with Martin Rushent of Human League fame(some of which weren't too bad). It was the demos they recorded with Richard Searling's RCA mates(that later resurfaced as the Warsaw bootleg album) that was the one they hated the synths on.

Yeah, i meant to say all those things in my original post. :shrug:

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Pitchfork is typically nonsense, but this reviewer is a good guy, I know him from other internet activities. I like the description of what Hannett did with JD and transmission in particular.

The slagging off of Slaughter and The Dogs has ruined my lunchtime sandwich though - they were great fun! 'Cranked Up' is splendid!

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Yeah, I thought the description of Transmission was interesting and highlighting the tension between the 'space' of the production and the power of the band live is a nice insight into why the JD/Hannett combination worked so well... Not so sure about some of the other comments on other bands and tracks - I think there was a line about how Hannett had 'removed the warmth' from Vini Reilly's guitar - I'm struggling to think of a DC track which lacks warmth... :shrug:

SHEDi xxx

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Leave Me A Gnome wrote: Yeah, I thought the description of Transmission was interesting and highlighting the tension between the 'space' of the production and the power of the band live is a nice insight into why the JD/Hannett combination worked so well... Not so sure about some of the other comments on other bands and tracks - I think there was a line about how Hannett had 'removed the warmth' from Vini Reilly's guitar - I'm struggling to think of a DC track which lacks warmth... :shrug:

SHEDi xxx

Yes, I was going to mention that, it seems like an odd way to describe Vini's playing.

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