What has happened to cool,quality,interesting,very N.O. song titles? Pretty much everything upto 1993 had a cool sounding,quite typical,New Ordery signature song title.Look at the evidence-Age of Consent,EGG,Ultraviolence,BLT,The Perfect Kiss,586,Thieves Like Us,Subculture etc.,etc.,oh you know what I mean(sorry!) pre '93,but since,we have- Slow Jam,Dracula's Castle,Player in the League,Rock the Shack,Working Overtime,Run Wild-I could go on,totally boring,unimaginative,no mystery whatsoever,bland shit.There have been exceptions-Crystal,Krafty,Sabotage,Jetstream(where the title is better than the song),but otherwise,shite.To me,a good title adds to the song(apart from the aforementioned Jetstream-you can't polish a turd) & even better when the title actually bore no resemblance to the song whatsoever! Ah,the good old days.....bring back classic N.O SONG TITLES! Discuss....
Song Titles
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A lot of the mystique surrounding new order has gone. I would agree with the song titles being not as cryptic as before
it's definitely true that the titling has been a bit mediocre as the years crept on. it takes away some of the luster that distinguished them from the rest, but, i am with j.a.k. on this one. a title like 'track 6' (being the 3rd track on an album) would still be listened to.
And why the fuck did "Road to Ruin" get changed to the pathologically shite "Hey Now What You Doing?"? Someone should be very ashamed of themselves, especially when you consider the song before it in the album opens with "hey joe what you doing....."
oldmonkey wrote: And why the fuck did "Road to Ruin" get changed to the pathologically shite "Hey Now What You Doing?"? Someone should be very ashamed of themselves, especially when you consider the song before it in the album opens with "hey joe what you doing....."
Maybe it was just a sick joke
oldmonkey wrote: And why the fuck did "Road to Ruin" get changed to the pathologically shite "Hey Now What You Doing?"? Someone should be very ashamed of themselves, especially when you consider the song before it in the album opens with "hey joe what you doing....."
Maybe "Hey Now What You Doing?"? was supposed to be the working title and "Road to Ruin" was supposed to be the real title and someone fucked up and switched them around? 
And people wonder why the War on Drugs is a bad thing.
But really, look at what Bernard's been doing for titles during Electronic. He wasn't really being all that crazy then, either. Nor Republic. Perhaps that was all fine and well during the early days when he felt young and carefree, but settled down into 'serious' musician mode later on.
I really did like the titles for pre-release WFTSC. Thought they brought back some of that old flavor.
I think on the next album, the coverwork should be some really obscure reference to some part on Bernard's boat or Steve's tank or some random item in Hooky's kitchen. They also need one song to dedicate to all those fearless aggressive dancers. They could swipe the title "Security" for that. 
I betcha that'd be a fun album to make.
oldmonkey wrote: And why the fuck did "Road to Ruin" get changed to the pathologically shite "Hey Now What You Doing?"? Someone should be very ashamed of themselves, especially when you consider the song before it in the album opens with "hey joe what you doing....."
Maybe, because it's a title of a 4. Ramones album.
That's exactly what the fuck I'm going on about!!! 'Hey now,what you doing'! What kind of shite Bryan Adams song title is that?! I'm glad Melly got where I was coming from tho'.....it was the fucking drugs wasn't it! They say it fuels the creative process,& Barny has pretty much admitted it in the past.Tho' I do like the idea of calling track 3 'Track 6'! At least it's something,like not putting titles on sleeves.....
The first poster, was the person who sounds like an idiot on here...and that was who I was referring to.
leather_girl wrote: The first poster, was the person who sounds like an idiot on here...and that was who I was referring to.
The original poster does has a point, the recent song titles haven't exactly been as classic or as memorable as the older ones I.e. Rock The Shack vs Dream Attack? He's merely expressing an opinion, and a fairly valid one at that.
I don't quite see how that makes him an "idiot" simply because he doesn't see things exactly as you do, unless you're wishing to be deliberately offensive?
Just a thought
of course Leather Girl is right. she is the ultimate authority on new order and anybody with whom she disagrees is a moron.
[brown]Ally[/brown] wrote:
leather_girl wrote: The first poster, was the person who sounds like an idiot on here...and that was who I was referring to.
The original poster does has a point, the recent song titles haven't exactly been as classic or as memorable as the older ones I.e. Rock The Shack vs Dream Attack? He's merely expressing an opinion, and a fairly valid one at that.
I don't quite see how that makes him an "idiot" simply because he doesn't see things exactly as you do, unless you're wishing to be deliberately offensive?
Just a thought
well, what do you suggest "rock the shack" be called?
and leather girl, i hope your lost in translation most of the time. If not, please chill and not take everything so seriously. Btw. wftsc is crap.:p
leather_girl wrote: What the hell is this prat ranting about?
Strange, I tend to think that after every one of your posts. Hows about coming back when you have something positive and constructive to bring to the party?
jonathan wrote: well, what do you suggest "rock the shack" be called?
"Demo #7" then discarded before it was let anywhere near a proper recording studio 
"Run Wild" shows a bit of effort.
Agree that Road to Ruin should have been the real title.
Can never understand the animosity towards Jetstream - maybe it's not everyone's favourite (it is one of mine), but there have been worse crimes committed by New Order in any period of their existence.
Re 'The total authority on New Order that is Leather Girl'...right now,it would be so easy to be offensive back.But why? What's the point? This is a FORUM you silly little person,a ways & means for like minded global fans of the best band in the world to share OPINIONS! To me,an N.O.fan for 23 years,they are a sum of their parts,& part of that was cool song titles,it was part of the mix(overuse of the word part there).Not everyone agrees with each other,or have you to still to find that out yet.Thanx to Nooligan & everyone else for the support.Leather Girl? Chill.
Shellshocker wrote: You're right. Melly has some good ideas. I wonder what drugs she's on, then.
I can't very well just let you guys smoke my brain in a joint, now can I? I'd love to share, but by and large it must be my distinct lack of drugs in the last 6 years that fuels all this brilliance.
Cept the caffeine and the odd drink. 
I blame all those parties in the 90s. 
Again, thanks to Mark for posing a great question! Good to see other people go WTF when they see latter day songtitles!
They ran out of ideas years back! Theyve been reworking titles since the 80s:
Dreams Never End - Dream Attack
Run - Run Wild
Turn My Way - Turn
Love Vigilantes - Loveless
World In Motion - World(Price Of Love)
Vicious Circle - Vicious Streak
This Time Of Night - Fine Time
See what i mean?
[brown]Ally[/brown] wrote:
jonathan wrote: well, what do you suggest "rock the shack" be called?
"Demo #7" then discarded before it was let anywhere near a proper recording studio
#7? Do you really think it would have taken them SEVEN attempts to come up with that?!!!!
Barcaboy99 wrote:
[brown]Ally[/brown] wrote:
jonathan wrote: well, what do you suggest "rock the shack" be called?
"Demo #7" then discarded before it was let anywhere near a proper recording studio
#7? Do you really think it would have taken them SEVEN attempts to come up with that?!!!!
#7 as in the 7th track they wrote. Doh!
Anyone who's heard the band Forward Russia will be familiar with something like this. Their song titles are numbers, in the order that they were written. So the album tracklisting goes:
1.Thirteen 2.Twelve 3.Fifteen Part I 4.Nine 5.Nineteen 6.Seventeen 7.Eighteen 8.Sixteen 9.Seven 10.Fifteen Part II 11.Eleven
Actually, the more I look at that, the more I think it's a bit shit. But yeah, the new order song titles have gone downhill, just something about the whole mystique. I mean, the fact that some of the simpler song titles have since been used since by other bands - Vanishing Point, Sunrise, Fine Time, Loveless - probably says something. It was all part of the package that sadly (but inevitably) doesn't exist anymore.
Karlos makes a good point about simplicity. Waiting for the Sirens Call has three songs with five word titles, and two songs with four word titles. In general, that is too long to be a good song title. Longer song titles sound clumsy, and also a bit silly when mentioning the sone to someone else- "I was listening to 'hey now what you doing' last night..." Not that a short title automatically means it will be a good one as Working overtime, who's joe, dracula's castle prove.
