The album version of the perfect kiss...

...thats on lowlife

its not even worth listening to is it!

Whats your favourite version?

Mine is the one fmr the video shoot thats on Retro

Yeah the album version is a much butchered version. Was however, the first version i heard and i enjoyed it then. Never listen to it now.

12" version the best

and the Cock Like The M1 version of course

...from cock to kiss - very memorable moments !...

Definitely the 12" version...

the whole thing, not the edit they foisted on us for the Substance CD.

Did the full 12" version ever appear on Cd??? On the Substance Cd it's edited compared to the version in the Substance vinyl...

Nope, full 12" has never been on CD.

Maybe one day it'll be on disc 2 of a Low-Life remaster? Who knows....

Andy

Andy with the ears?

But isn't the Substance version only missing 40 seconds or some small amount like that?

Aries wrote: But isn't the Substance version only missing 40 seconds or some small amount like that?

...yeah - and every fookin' single second is badly missing...

...btw. the missing part is 6:14 min to 6:58 min...

i can upload a rip from the 12" if you like

Listen to the video version instead, up to a full 9.10 or something like that! Or Digital's version, which is also over 9 minutes long.

Yeah, the lowlife version is pretty crap, but I have to admit I love the part right at the start where the synths alternate between speakers. Wish they could have included that bit in the full version somewhere.....

I liked the "single" version, but the Low-Life version isn't exactly horrible. What I think is horrible is how John Robie butchered "Subculture"...I don't mind the general sound of it (as in the synths), but the background vocals are too annoying!

leather_girl wrote: I liked the "single" version, but the Low-Life version isn't exactly horrible. What I think is horrible is how John Robie butchered "Subculture"...I don't mind the general sound of it (as in the synths), but the background vocals are too annoying!

the album version of perfect kiss is butchered. you can her barney stating to say the perfect kiss is the kiss of death.

actually i still like the single version of subculture, but i know that i am in the minority here.

NOOLigan wrote:

leather_girl wrote: I liked the "single" version, but the Low-Life version isn't exactly horrible. What I think is horrible is how John Robie butchered "Subculture"...I don't mind the general sound of it (as in the synths), but the background vocals are too annoying!

the album version of perfect kiss is butchered. you can her barney stating to say the perfect kiss is the kiss of death.

actually i still like the single version of subculture, but i know that i am in the minority here.

I guess we all have our individual tastes here.

i cannot listen to the "Lowlife" version, i hate it

for me its the 12" version or the video edit from Retro

The album version is more like a sample taste of the song, to me. I didn't like it at first as much as I would have if it were less edited, but the album's so good (again, to me) that I think having a shorter version fits the flow (after all, song number two's probably not the right place on an album for a cinematic epic--although the full version might have gone well in "Elegia"'s place--wait, I like "Elegia").

For me, Low-Life was not a breathtaking experience. I think the edit of TPK made me go back to the Substance version and from there it grew to be one of my all time faves by NO (being of the younger generation, I've not yet had the chance to be enlightened by the 12"). Nonetheless, for the sake of fluidity and balance, the actual track duration of TPK on LowLife doesn't bother me. Perhaps it's simply the dodgy quality of the edit that gets under the skin of older fans?

It appears a majority here favour LowLife out of the studio albums, but if the TPK edit gets ridiculed so frequently, and the song itself is arguably the best composition off the album, I don't see how LowLife is considered so great. Granted, I view it as a strong album, and I adore Face Up and Sooner Than You Think, unlike some folks around here, but personally, I vouch for Brotherhood, 'flawed production' and all, over LowLife.

Karlos wrote: Yeah, the lowlife version is pretty crap, but I have to admit I love the part right at the start where the synths alternate between speakers. Wish they could have included that bit in the full version somewhere.....

same here!

Absolutely hate the Low Life version. My 12" vinyl is in the loft now but I have resurrected the Retro 5 version. At least you get the 9 minutes or so.

JV wrote: For me, Low-Life was not a breathtaking experience. I think the edit of TPK made me go back to the Substance version and from there it grew to be one of my all time faves by NO (being of the younger generation, I've not yet had the chance to be enlightened by the 12"). Nonetheless, for the sake of fluidity and balance, the actual track duration of TPK on LowLife doesn't bother me. Perhaps it's simply the dodgy quality of the edit that gets under the skin of older fans?

It appears a majority here favour LowLife out of the studio albums, but if the TPK edit gets ridiculed so frequently, and the song itself is arguably the best composition off the album, I don't see how LowLife is considered so great. Granted, I view it as a strong album, and I adore Face Up and Sooner Than You Think, unlike some folks around here, but personally, I vouch for Brotherhood, 'flawed production' and all, over LowLife.

I think for many people, the fact that they have condensed such a masterpiece at all is the problem. I'd rather it were not on the album full stop than be butchered like that. It's always tough to cut a big long song down to something radiofriendly and four minutes long, but the majesty of Perfect Kiss is that it builds and builds before the huge release at the end, and you don't get that in the edit.

Low Life itself isn't a great album, it has some great songs on it, but the production shows them in indecisive mode, something they carried over to Brotherhood as well. Listen to the live versions of the songs to get a feel for what they were capable of sounding like.

The Saviour wrote:

Aries wrote: But isn't the Substance version only missing 40 seconds or some small amount like that?

...yeah - and every fookin' single second is badly missing...

...btw. the missing part is 6:14 min to 6:58 min...

It's actually missing the 6.46mins - 7.31mins part... Here for anybody who wants a digital version of the original full length 12": The Perfect Kiss (12")

Nobody ever realized that the missing part is still in The Kiss Of Death, which is on CD as well...

...it is - the perfect work !...

.....is obviously nowhere near as good as the 12" version,it couldn't be,it was made to be 7 minutes long.But I guess they thought it was that good,too good to be just left as a N.O. album track,fine for us devotees,that it deserved a crack at chart success,& for that reason,as a stand alone track,it works ok.Unless I'm listening to 'Low Life' tho',I don't play it.....ahem:\ohwell:

musicoloog wrote:

The Saviour wrote:

Aries wrote: But isn't the Substance version only missing 40 seconds or some small amount like that?

...yeah - and every fookin' single second is badly missing...

...btw. the missing part is 6:14 min to 6:58 min...

It's actually missing the 6.46mins - 7.31mins part... Here for anybody who wants a digital version of the original full length 12": The Perfect Kiss (12")

Nobody ever realized that the missing part is still in The Kiss Of Death, which is on CD as well...

WOW thanks for that, the most amazing version of the most amazing song phenomenomenomenal... 18 years approx since I heard it (even though it's sitting in a box behind me, but I dont have a working turntable)

seals wrote:

WOW thanks for that, the most amazing version of the most amazing song phenomenomenomenal... 18 years approx since I heard it (even though it's sitting in a box behind me, but I dont have a working turntable)

Yep! A real classic! Burn this version onto a cd and play it in your car while driving around!!! (The same reason why Tony Wilson once wanted 'Substance'... isn't it?)

musicoloog wrote:

The Saviour wrote:

Aries wrote: But isn't the Substance version only missing 40 seconds or some small amount like that?

...yeah - and every fookin' single second is badly missing...

...btw. the missing part is 6:14 min to 6:58 min...

It's actually missing the 6.46mins - 7.31mins part... Here for anybody who wants a digital version of the original full length 12": The Perfect Kiss (12")

Nobody ever realized that the missing part is still in The Kiss Of Death, which is on CD as well...

can you repost the link as it would not work for me.

cheers

The Perfect Kiss (12")

This link will expire in 7 days, I've posted the link August 4... so still 3 more days available...

musicoloog wrote:

The Saviour wrote:

Aries wrote: But isn't the Substance version only missing 40 seconds or some small amount like that?

...yeah - and every fookin' single second is badly missing...

...btw. the missing part is 6:14 min to 6:58 min...

It's actually missing the 6.46mins - 7.31mins part... Here for anybody who wants a digital version of the original full length 12": The Perfect Kiss (12")

Nobody ever realized that the missing part is still in The Kiss Of Death, which is on CD as well...

I realized that ages ago when I first got the original 12". Thing is, being a dub mix, that section has slightly different levels and effects to how it sounds on that original 12".

Andy

Sorry, any chance of that link again? Would love to hear the proper version! Missed it! Sorry!!!