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His Holiness, The Pope wrote: Don't a lot of you just love Technique becaue it was the first studio album that many of you anticipated so highly after "Substance," BLT and True Faith made a legion of new NO fans?
I was only a few days old when fine time was released!
My excuse for liking it is just being a dance music fan, and for me this has got their best dance records on. To be honest, if it wasnt for the edit of perfect kiss on low-life that would be my favourite album, but its not 
El Jarvo wrote:
mark kelly wrote: & was Fine Time the 1st Acid House record?
Not quite. We'd even had an Acid House no.1 in the UK maybe three months before Fine Time hit our stores.
Very true, MARRS, S-Express, Baby Ford, etc, not to mention tracks like "Voodoo Ray" (well, I would say that! :) )
Of course, before the above, the multitude of tracks from Chicago/Detroit are the true origins of Acid House! 
Nick King wrote:
El Jarvo wrote:
mark kelly wrote: & was Fine Time the 1st Acid House record?
Not quite. We'd even had an Acid House no.1 in the UK maybe three months before Fine Time hit our stores.
Very true, MARRS, S-Express, Baby Ford, etc, not to mention tracks like "Voodoo Ray" (well, I would say that! :) )
Of course, before the above, the multitude of tracks from Chicago/Detroit are the true origins of Acid House!
Hit House as well. jack to the sound of the undergound.
unless my date is wrong.
J.A.K wrote:
Nick King wrote:
El Jarvo wrote:
mark kelly wrote: & was Fine Time the 1st Acid House record?
Not quite. We'd even had an Acid House no.1 in the UK maybe three months before Fine Time hit our stores.
Very true, MARRS, S-Express, Baby Ford, etc, not to mention tracks like "Voodoo Ray" (well, I would say that! :) )
Of course, before the above, the multitude of tracks from Chicago/Detroit are the true origins of Acid House!
Hit House as well. jack to the sound of the undergound.
unless my date is wrong.
Great song, and yup, you're right! 
I`d say more like nearly 2 years before Fine Time. Never understood the "acid house" tag on Technique,it was for me just the next step on after Brotherhood.
I was living in Sardegna at the time that Technique hit, talk about right place, right time. The first listen through just confirmed what had been proven to me time again, best f**king band on the planet! Became my fave NO lp at the time and nothing has changed. Oh, there have been some choice tunes since but as the complete package, technique does it every time.
This is essential reading for anyone who remembers the day. Some of the stuff this lad went through is proper frightening. Like taking really bad beatings and being sat down between a gang of ex-squaddies and Norf Lahndon gangsters feuding over who was gonna offer him protection. Compelling stuff.
EDIT: Fcuk me, just did a google on this to see what the lad's up to and he's made his entire book available as a PDF download here - http://www.raveflyers.co.uk/. Well worth a look if you're bored at work this arvo.
its a classic, but not there best for me i think Get Ready is up there with some great songs.
Nick King wrote:
El Jarvo wrote:
mark kelly wrote: & was Fine Time the 1st Acid House record?
Not quite. We'd even had an Acid House no.1 in the UK maybe three months before Fine Time hit our stores.
Very true, MARRS, S-Express, Baby Ford, etc, not to mention tracks like "Voodoo Ray" (well, I would say that! :) )
Of course, before the above, the multitude of tracks from Chicago/Detroit are the true origins of Acid House!
I agree with everything that has been put here. Looking back at the House/Dance music revolution in the UK in 1988 it came from much more different fronts than just 'Acid House'. IMO in 1987 the 'majors' in the music industry were as plastic as what they are now and if it wasn't crass cock-rock/soft metal, Stock Aitkien and Waterman's (S)Hit Factory clones or a awful 1950's 'Rock'n'Roll' revival (Fairground Attraction doing Nat King Cole and Eddie Cochrane etc. were really relevant in 1987/88 NOT!) it wasn't making the charts or getting noticed. Converseley Dance Music was seen by people like myself as a new, interesting and exciting sub-culture. At the time this included Hip Hop (which had been around for a few years and being spearheaded by Public Enemy, Run DMC, Beastie Boys, Mantronix, etc.) and the emerging Chicago House/Detroit Techno scene (from DJ's Marshall Jefferson, Steve 'Silk' Hurley, Farley 'Jack Master' Funk, Juan Atkins, Derrick May, Kevin Saunderson and the creator of Acid House DJ Pierre) which began to emerge in the UK. Furthermore House/Techno became the soundtrack of Ibiza in 1987 the same time New Order and many of London's DJ like Paul Oakenfold, Nicky Holloway, Danny Rampling, Lisa Loud etc. where there. Their ecstacy fuelled holiday resulted in this scene being brought back to the UK in the form of New Order and Manchester based DJ's Mike Pickering, Graeme Park, John Da Silva, Laurent Garnier, 808 State/A Guy Called Gerrald etc. championing it in the Hacienda, Boardwalk etc. and London clubs like Shoom, Spectrum and the infamous warehouse party scene invetiably thursting it in a big way into the UK Top 40 in early 1988. Okay there are tunes from the era which do sound horribly dated and there were 'one hit wonders' like Krush (of which Moloko's Mark Brydon was involved) and Jack'N'Chill etc. However IMHO the '88 anthems from like MARRS - Pump Up The Volume, Bomb The Bass - Beat Dis, S'Express - Theme From S'Express, Royal House - Can U Party, Baby Ford - Oochy Koochy, Rob Base & DJ EZ Rock - It Takes Two, Mr Lee - Pump Up Chicago/London, King Bee - Back By Dope Demand, Stakker Humanoid, A Guy Called Gerald - Voodoo Ray and Inner City - Big Fun or Good Life all probably played a big part along with the Hacienda/New Order in shaping the eventual Rave, Drum & Bass and Dance Music revolutions which followed in the 1990's and without them the Stone Roses/Happy Mondsy's 'Madchester' would not have sounded the way they did nor would the likes of the so-called Dance 'supergroups' like Leftfield, Orbital, Chemical Brothers, Underworld etc. which became massive from the 1990's onwards. Cheers!
As someone from the True Faith generation (remember I was only a wean of 12) by the time Technique came out, I already had PCL & Substance that I owned masel and I had copied Brotherhood and Low-Life onto a C-90 thanks to Uncly John 
Technique is the dogs bollocks. My favourite album of all-time. Ok it's not got an AOC, Sunrise or even BLT..... but from start to finish it is a fucking joy to behold.
And I'm 100% sober :D
Shug wrote: As someone from the True Faith generation (remember I was only a wean of 12) by the time Technique came out, I already had PCL & Substance that I owned masel and I had copied Brotherhood and Low-Life onto a C-90 thanks to Uncly John
Technique is the dogs bollocks. My favourite album of all-time. Ok it's not got an AOC, Sunrise or even BLT..... but from start to finish it is a fucking joy to behold.
And I'm 100% sober :D
Me too mate I was around 12/13 at the time of True Faith and at the time I wished I was 18/19 so I could have gone The Hacienda. Ah Well!
Shug wrote: As someone from the True Faith generation (remember I was only a wean of 12) by the time Technique came out, I already had PCL & Substance that I owned masel and I had copied Brotherhood and Low-Life onto a C-90 thanks to Uncly John
Technique is the dogs bollocks. My favourite album of all-time. Ok it's not got an AOC, Sunrise or even BLT..... but from start to finish it is a fucking joy to behold.
And I'm 100% sober :D
100% sober-what is the WORLD coming to?
MTO Mick
The origins of Acid House is closer to home than you think.
'Acid' refers to the squelchind sound made by twiddling the knobs on a Roland 303 bass machine. Section 25 used it back in '83 on a remix of the Barney-produced Beating Heart. Being on Factory, it will come as no surprise it wasn't released.
T-Coy's Carino, featuring Factory old boys Topping and Pickering, is conserderd to be the first UK House record.
And yes, Technique is the dogs:-
steveone wrote: I`d say more like nearly 2 years before Fine Time. Never understood the "acid house" tag on Technique,it was for me just the next step on after Brotherhood.
Steve, that's a good point and very important when considering the impact of Technique. Play Brotherhood and Technique back to back and the change in style is profound.
Brotherhood ends with State of the Nation and Technique begins with Fine Time. Compare the two songs and you can see how the use of synths has changed from a very 'industrial' style (imitated by Depeche Mode et al) to a 'loved up' one that nobody else used. In that respect NO pioneered a second era of synth music in the same decade.
When Fine Time came it sounded like nothing else, and neither did Technique. It is a wonderful album let down only by Round & Round mix, the single version being infinitely superior.
And Dream Attack is the best NO song. Very poignant considering that we had to wait four years for Republic.
Good example of a whole album being greater than the sum of its parts. No massive Temptations, Ceremonies or BLTs but the only NO album which is a very good listen from start to finish. Not that the songs aren't great played on their own though- all the way, Love less, Run and Vanishing Point are all songs capable of rendering me speechless but just haven't really got the steel to be good singles. Fine Time is a cracking house tune; pisses all over just about anything else you'll hear a club DJ play.
Don't really understand why people think so highly of Lowlife; Love Vigilantes, this time of night and Elegia are all pretty average songs imho (though subculture's spot on) face up is a good high note to end upon though hardly in the same class as vanishing point (I consider Dream attack, alongside Mr Disco and Guilty partner to be among the more 'enigmatic' songs on Technique)
ycfc wrote: Good example of a whole album being greater than the sum of its parts.
Someone who thinks 'Guilty Partner' is enigmatic (I think you mean 'shit'?), is left speechless by 'Love Less' and thinks 'Fine Time' pisses over all other dance tracks ... well, you may then just struggle with Low-Life!
You not done any gigs of late? Love Vigilantes an 'average song' my arse. I'd like to see something off Technique, bar possibly Vanishing Point, stir the masses quite like that particular track.
noorder (aka Barcaboy99) wrote:
steveone wrote: I`d say more like nearly 2 years before Fine Time. Never understood the "acid house" tag on Technique,it was for me just the next step on after Brotherhood.
Brotherhood ends with State of the Nation
GoOd album,but not their best.. Fine Time always did my head in,and Guilty partner is shit but the rest are good.Run is superb
El Jarvo wrote: You not done any gigs of late? Love Vigilantes an 'average song' my arse. I'd like to see something off Technique, bar possibly Vanishing Point, stir the masses quite like that particular track.
LV was my absolute favourite NO track from the first time I heard it... Still is... Can't really explain why, maybe, as with a lot of NO tracks, the sheer simplicity of it - a great POP song, brilliantly executed...
Snorri xxx
His Holiness, The Pope wrote: Don't a lot of you just love Technique becaue it was the first studio album that many of you anticipated so highly after "Substance," BLT and True Faith made a legion of new NO fans?
Not me I've been listening to NO since they were formed by the tragic death of Ian Curtis.
Technique is NO's best album, yes 'Fine Time' was the 'acid' track but listen to the other tracks and you can still hear Hooky bass!!! A pleasure to listen to from start to absolute brilliant finish
Great album, but not their best. I guess I rode the "Substance" wave, however it was when I was 12 and I wasn't allowed to buy albums, so I didn't get Tech. when it came out. It was actually the second to last NO album I've bought. Don't know why I waited so long to get it. I guess I liked the "Best of" versions better than the album versions of songs on Tech. Probably because I listened to them first.
JHC
