Factory Records Saga - Channel 4

did anyone else watch the documentary on factory records tonight? it was great, the bit where they focused on joy division was my favourite part..:) good to see tony wilson is still full of shit as always...;) hooky seemed quite miserable every time he talked about something...:(

the funniest part was clips of rob gretton interviewing himself as he sat naked in an armchair in his garden :)):D fucking hilarious!! sean and bez from the mondays seemed braindead, as they always do...especially sean...he's becoming more like shane mcgowan every time i see him on telly.;)

overall though, it was a great programme.

The vintage clips of Rob Gretton and Martin Hannett shooting an off-camera Stephen Morris are taken from an 18-year old programme on Factory Records broadcast by Channel 4 in August 1984 as part of the "Play at Home" series. This was a series of four programmes which focussed on four regions and a chosen band that C4 felt was representative of the region. Thus Manchester was represented by New Order/Factory Records, Liverpool was portrayed by Echo & The Bunnymen, London featured peak-period line up of Siouxsie & The Banshees (with Robert Smith), and finally Tyneside was represented by...The Angelic Upstarts. Great programmes all of them. Sadly, they have never ever been repeated to this day. A reshowing is well overdue. And, as expected the Factory/New Order one is a hoot - it also features Gillian Gilbert sitting fully clothed in a bath interviewing a naked Tony Wilson. He even gets caught on film farting in the bath (you can see the bubbles...).

Shaun Ryder looked fooking HIDEOUS in tonight's programme. He's surely going to drop dead soon. He's in THAT MUCH of a state. I wouldn't put it past him making 50 at this rate. Absolutely horrible.

Originally posted by Oh Look! There Goes The Laughing Martian Again!! The vintage clips of Rob Gretton and Martin Hannett shooting an off-camera Stephen Morris are taken from an 18-year old programme on Factory Records broadcast by Channel 4 in August 1984 as part of the "Play at Home" series. This was a series of four programmes which focussed on four regions and a chosen band that C4 felt was representative of the region. Thus Manchester was represented by New Order/Factory Records, Liverpool was portrayed by Echo & The Bunnymen, London featured peak-period line up of Siouxsie & The Banshees (with Robert Smith), and finally Tyneside was represented by...The Angelic Upstarts. Great programmes all of them. Sadly, they have never ever been repeated to this day. A reshowing is well overdue. And, as expected the Factory/New Order one is a hoot - it also features Gillian Gilbert sitting fully clothed in a bath interviewing a naked Tony Wilson. He even gets caught on film farting in the bath (you can see the bubbles...). Shaun Ryder looked fooking HIDEOUS in tonight's programme. He's surely going to drop dead soon. He's in THAT MUCH of a state. I wouldn't put it past him making 50 at this rate. Absolutely horrible.

yeah, i,m with you on that one i think they are well overdue for rerun,, werent big country on one of em?

Taped it.

ditto

Thought it wasn't a bad documentary chatting with Barney, Hooky, Wilson, Tim Booth, Bez, rough looking Ryder et all and quite a bit of it was anusing. Must admit there was quite a bit with Hooky and for the first time I did actually start to feel for them losing so much money through incompetence of others and some of their own mistakes. Saw a clip from the 24 Hr PP in it and got say that the guy playing Gretton is pretty scarily like him. I'll have to go this week to see it.

Well, we all know this story back-to-front, but I loved Hooky's impression of Hannett and was surprised by how Peter - the most sentimental man in pop these days, lest we forget - still sounds so bitter about the whole Factory thing whereas the others seem to have put it behind them. D'you think he owes a few bob, or summat??

I'm ten minutes into the video and it's everything you could hope for - lots of New Order too ;)

Ryder's got more shakes than my Grandad. Notice he had to grab on to something to try and stop it. The bloke needs

Originally posted by martin fradley Well, we all know this story back-to-front, but I loved Hooky's impression of Hannett and was surprised by how Peter - the most sentimental man in pop these days, lest we forget - still sounds so bitter about the whole Factory thing whereas the others seem to have put it behind them. D'you think he owes a few bob, or summat??

Dead right you are too Mart - you could see Hooky's face almost looking tearful at times reflecting on all the disasters Factory suffered. The look of pensiveness on his face seemed to have suggested that of all the New Order members, he was the one who seem to have been affected most by it all. His love/hate relationship with Wilson was never made more obvious to all than on here... Of course, it's a well known fact that he's by far the most proud of the whole JD/NO/Factory legacy out of the four of them in New Order. Steve and Gillian tend to be more sarky and dismissive about many of these things (check Steve's usual goofy deneanour when he's recounting his anecdotes.) Whilst Barney usually displays a more self-deprecating and analytical streak, occasionally cracking a joke or three to try and make some sense of all the madness.

Like you pointed out, it's almost enough to make yourself feel for the guy!

Originally posted by ShugZV After seeing fuck all of JD/NO in the film this was a refreshing change Excellent stuff!Anyone got the Rob stuff on video? (play at home is it?)Shaun Ryder - fook me - he didn't look too fookin good.

I have the "Play at Home" New Order thing kept safely from when I first taped it back in 1984. It's preserved for posterity. I'm wondering whether or not Channel 4 will ever repeat these six fine P.A.H. programmes - even though they're 18 years old!! Incidentally enough, "New Order,Play At Home" was actually screened at Manchester's Cornerhouse Cinemas LAST THURSDAY!! I found that out just today!!! If only I knew earlier, then I could have fooking told everyone here about it! Doh! :(

Sadly, the third originally broadcast "Play at Home" programme in the 1984 series, which focused on my other fave band of the 80's, Siouxsie & The Banshees (showing them doing a witty spoof on Alice In Wonderland) didn't survive intact as for some godforsaken reason I unknowingly taped over two thirds of it with a shitey pop programme of absolutely no merit at all. To this day I'm really pissed off about that as no-one seems to have a video copy of this episode. Even enquiries on the S&TB fan sites and record/video collectors have drawn a blank to this day......DAMN!!!

Originally posted by Oh Look! There Goes The Laughing Martian Again!! > Originally posted by ShugZV> After seeing fuck all of JD/NO in the film this was a refreshing change Excellent stuff!> Anyone got the Rob stuff on video? (play at home is it?)> Shaun Ryder - fook me - he didn't look too fookin good.

I have the "Play at Home" New Order thing kept safely from when I first taped it back in 1984. It's preserved for posterity. I'm wondering whether or not Channel 4 will ever repeat these six fine P.A.H. programmes - even though they're 18 years old!! Incidentally enough, "New Order,Play At Home" was actually screened at Manchester's Cornerhouse Cinemas LAST THURSDAY!! I found that out just today!!! If only I knew earlier, then I could have fooking told everyone here about it! Doh! :(

Sadly, the third originally broadcast "Play at Home" programme in the 1984 series, which focused on my other fave band of the 80's, Siouxsie & The Banshees (showing them doing a witty spoof on Alice In Wonderland) didn't survive intact as for some godforsaken reason I unknowingly taped over two thirds of it with a shitey pop programme of absolutely no merit at all. To this day I'm really pissed off about that as no-one seems to have a video copy of this episode. Even enquiries on the S&TB fan sites and record/video collectors have drawn a blank to this day......DAMN!!!

Could I persuade you to perhaps copy it for me? I can repay u of course...

If anybody who taped this documentary would like to do a trade with me, for say, New Order hosting the Australian music show Rage and 6 songs of their Big Day Out shows, let me know ... Would love to see this documentary ....

I taped it too when it was first shown, but I've now forgotten which bleeding video it was in

The prospect of looking through every one of over 300 videos trying to locate exactly where I taped it is an ordeal I can't even contemplate right now thank you very much.... :D

I think one of the most moving parts was Hooky recounting how he had to pick Unknown Pleasures from a skip and retrieve Gold Discs etc after the Factory demise. He said no one else seemed to be bothered and just walked away from it.

I sense that NewOrder, their achievements and their nostalgia mean more to Hooky than the rest of the band to be perfectly honest. Steve & Gillian seem to take everything at face value, and Barney seems to be ever increasingly in a philosophical world of his own!!

Wasn't that the only scene where Hooky didn't mention about how much money Factory lost them?

Originally posted by Cheeky Monkey Wasn't that the only scene where Hooky didn't mention about how much money Factory lost them?

Just about, yes. He does seem to express his bitterness more than the others - Barney just looked decidedly pissed off with it all, whereas Hooky did all the expressionist bit.