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Just doing this off the back of Nico's "WFTSC, best since Technique?" thread ... I know I personally think Electronic (the eponymous album) is by far the best New Order related product put out in this period and a few people I know think similarly. Actually, I think it's the best thing they've done since Low-Life, but that's an issue for another time.
How do other people thing Electronic stands up when faced with New Order's three studio albums, post 1989?
I listen to Music For Pleasure more than Electronic - it certainly sounds more like a New Order album, so shouldn't the poll include all the other side project albums or be a simple yes/no "is Electronic the best" poll?
£50 Note wrote: I listen to Music For Pleasure more than Electronic - it certainly sounds more like a New Order album, so shouldn't the poll include all the other side project albums or be a simple yes/no "is Electronic the best" poll?
Er, nope. I just wanted to garner Electronic's strength against the New Order offerings.
It's not a poll about side-projects. (We must've done that already somewhere, surely?).
Well there are odd tracks on Republic and Get Ready that I think are stronger than anything on Electronic but for consistancy Electronic gets the nod from me in this poll. I like all the tracks and never skip through any, and I an't say that about any NO album post Technique.
After Electronic though it was all down hill for me. Can't remember the last time I would have played RTP and TT.
I'd say the Electronic album is a consistently better record overall than the NO albums mentioned. Too many ordinary tracks feature on these three, though they can still pull the odd rabbit from the hat - Regret, Crystal and WFTSC which are classic NO songs in their own right and far superior to any of the Electronic tracks.
I can't vote in this,i don't compare it to N.O. albums but view it as a seperate entity.As an album,it probably is better,but it's missing Hooky,& that,to me,is an important,vital ingredient that would sway the argument for me.So,without Hooky,yes,otherwise,it would be Get Ready.But the best of any N.O. related product since for me personally would be MFP.By a long fuckin' mile.So apologies. 
El Jarvo wrote: Just doing this off the back of Nico's "WFTSC, best since Technique?" thread ... I know I personally think Electronic (the eponymous album) is by far the best New Order related product put out in this period and a few people I know think similarly. Actually, I think it's the best thing they've done since Low-Life, but that's an issue for another time.
How do other people thing Electronic stands up when faced with New Order's three studio albums, post 1989?
Many songs of it comes in my iPod lately, could Electronic be Bernard's best lyrics in a long time?
Seems it went downhill after that, though Republic has some interesting ones.
Don't know if Johnny Marr had anything to do with the lyrics in Electronic, but gee, it takes time to write a rap :p
I'd probably say that it would be either Electronic or Republic. I can't really decide on which one.
Comparing Electronic only and ignoring all the other side project stuff then I'd say it's 2nd place to WFTSC...
I was a bit confused by it's 'eclecticism' initially, but WFTSC has really grown on me over the months and now I think it's an excellent album.
Electronic loses out because it's much less diverse although it's a rather classy full bloodied pop affair.
Its better than Republic as an album,but its not New Order so...
...its just a good album by Electronic.
The first Electronic album is way better than any of the New Order albums since Technique. However, personally I enjoy "The Other Two & You" more than any other album from this period.
There is something about Gillian's contribution to the band that I think is now sorely missing. It is difficult to put my figure on but since Gillian left some of the subtlety has gone from New Order's sound.
I find things like this hard to gauge as they all have their own merits. If you are talking breaking new ground I would go for Electronic, yes.
Nah, no contest. I'd much rather listen to a New Order record than any of the side projects. Whilst Electronic is certainly the strongest of their albums it doesn't come close to NOs post-89 output for me. FWIW, and I'm sure I've said this before, I really do believe that WFTSC is at least as good as Technique but then, I prefer Brotherhood over Technique so what do I know?.
I probably prefer Get The Message to anything New Order have done.
If you took PSB off Electronic, and let Hooky play a bit of bass on some of the numbers, you'd have something close to perfection.
Someone on here (Tim, maybe?) once made a point about the cheap, "thin" sound on 'Electronic'. It had never occurred to me before, but it's all I can think about when I listen to it now. So thanks, Jauncey, you've fucked that one for me!
"Getting Away With It", on the other hand......
I was more ecstatic upon first hearing Electronic than any of the New Order albums since Technique.
Diamond White wrote: I probably prefer Get The Message to anything New Order have done.
Nearly agreed. Except that I wouldn't say it's better than anything NO have ever done. But it sure is the best thing Bernard's done since Low Life
the first electronic album is a masterpiece. yes it isn't new order, but it defo IMO is better than sirens or get ready.
I dunno about it being better than republic. both are really good synth albums and republic has the brilliant Regret.
(The Good Doctor) Martin Fradley wrote: Someone on here (Tim, maybe?) once made a point about the cheap, "thin" sound on 'Electronic'. It had never occurred to me before, but it's all I can think about when I listen to it now. So thanks, Jauncey, you've fucked that one for me!
Can't have been Tim, he claims to have never heard one side project record ever, doesn't he?
Anyway, I think my point was well made. Electronic has picked up more votes than the three New order albums put together.
Well done everyone who can't vote if it's not New Order though. What? The eight New Order studio albums are your top eight albums of all time? Bless.
My only concern though, some of the tracks sound dated, which I don't feel many New Order tracks sound dated...
Maybe it's just me.
El Jarvo wrote:
(The Good Doctor) Martin Fradley wrote: Someone on here (Tim, maybe?) once made a point about the cheap, "thin" sound on 'Electronic'. It had never occurred to me before, but it's all I can think about when I listen to it now. So thanks, Jauncey, you've fucked that one for me!
Can't have been Tim, he claims to have never heard one side project record ever, doesn't he?
Anyway, I think my point was well made. Electronic has picked up more votes than the three New order albums put together.
Well done everyone who can't vote if it's not New Order though. What? The eight New Order studio albums are your top eight albums of all time? Bless.
That wasn't your question.
Anyway,that's my 100.Do I win anything? What?! A limited,signed,gold disc John Robie remix 12" of Jetstream??!!.....Er...no thanks. 
mark kelly wrote:
El Jarvo wrote:
(The Good Doctor) Martin Fradley wrote: Someone on here (Tim, maybe?) once made a point about the cheap, "thin" sound on 'Electronic'. It had never occurred to me before, but it's all I can think about when I listen to it now. So thanks, Jauncey, you've fucked that one for me!
Can't have been Tim, he claims to have never heard one side project record ever, doesn't he?
Anyway, I think my point was well made. Electronic has picked up more votes than the three New order albums put together.
Well done everyone who can't vote if it's not New Order though. What? The eight New Order studio albums are your top eight albums of all time? Bless.
That wasn't your question.
Anyway,that's my 100.Do I win anything? What?! A limited,signed,gold disc John Robie remix 12" of Jetstream??!!.....Er...no thanks.
Mark - 100 posts means I get to suck your cock. Drop me an email and we'll arrange summat.
Interesting question..
dunno, it shits on Republic & Get Ready on the whole. But Regret & Crystal shit on all the songs on Electronic (but 'Get The Message' gave them both black eyes in the fight)
But WFTSC is better. Return to form. Too many New Order signature tracks to ignore. Well Two. But thats enough for me.
WFTSC gets my vote.
Interesting question..
dunno, it shits on Republic & Get Ready on the whole. But Regret & Crystal shit on all the songs on Electronic (but 'Get The Message' gave them both black eyes in the fight)
But WFTSC is better. Return to form. Too many New Order signature tracks to ignore. Well Two. But thats enough for me.
WFTSC gets my vote. If I could be arsed pressing the vote button. Which I cant. Which is ironic seeing that its taking me about 100 keystrokes more to say I cant be arsed than pressing a vote button.
Electronic was a superb album of it's time and was critically acclaimed (I'm absolutely certain Q gave it 5 stars at the time). Parts of it now sound dated, but it contains the Holy Trinity of Get The Message, Feel Every Beat and Some Distant Memory so must go down as a classic.
As I've said more than once during various debates on NOOL, armed with this album and my Bernard Sumner centre parting ensured that I was exceptionally popular with the ladeez on my lad's holiday to Magaluff in the summer of '91... Bernard, Johnny, thank you! 
(Unfortunately I sport a Moby hairdo these days, which is not so popular :( )
noorder (aka Barcaboy99) wrote: Unfortunately I sport a Moby hairdo these days, which is not so popular :(
Oh, I dunno.. 
Electronics first album sounds too dated now due to the technology used in its production, but dont get me wrong its still full of great tracks.
Tracks like TT,Haze,Vivid, SN,OOML blow plenty of NewOrder stuff clean out of the water however
Still had they been released as NewOrder tracks rather than Electronic we'd be having an entirely different discussion right now...
Republic and Get Ready were let down on the whole by some piss poor or average tracks along the lines of Liar, Chemical, Rock The Shack, Slow Jam, Close Range whereas WFTSC and Electronic have a more consistent song-writing quality throughout them.
The post-Technique New Order albums could be used to support the "New Order = Singles band" argument because generally while they've churned out some of the best singles you're ever likely to hear, a large chunk of the albums were always let down by a few shit songs which is why they frequently end up with review scores of 3/5. The first Electronic album is one of the best things Barney's ever done, and he knows it. Frankly, there's a load of Electronic and Monaco tunes I'd rather listen to over NO stuff.
Along with Electronic I reckon Music For Pleasure gives the likes of Republic a good run for its money as Wdywfm? is obviously cut from the same quality cloth as Regret. MFP was the second 1990s record New Order never made and would've slotted seamlessly into their discography if they had.
I also rate Twisted Tenderness above Get Ready as I reckon GR nicked alot of that guitar-driven direction from TT. Even Crystal started out life as an Electronic song (in its very early stages) but obviously wouldn't have sounded half as good without Hooky's small army of basslines in there
I've never got TT... Much prefer RTP, although it's probably a few songs too long... Some cracking POP tunes though... and Forbidden City is still probably my favourite side-project song...
Snorri xxx
(The Good Doctor) Martin Fradley wrote:
mark kelly wrote:
El Jarvo wrote:
(The Good Doctor) Martin Fradley wrote: Someone on here (Tim, maybe?) once made a point about the cheap, "thin" sound on 'Electronic'. It had never occurred to me before, but it's all I can think about when I listen to it now. So thanks, Jauncey, you've fucked that one for me!
Can't have been Tim, he claims to have never heard one side project record ever, doesn't he?
Anyway, I think my point was well made. Electronic has picked up more votes than the three New order albums put together.
Well done everyone who can't vote if it's not New Order though. What? The eight New Order studio albums are your top eight albums of all time? Bless.
That wasn't your question.
Anyway,that's my 100.Do I win anything? What?! A limited,signed,gold disc John Robie remix 12" of Jetstream??!!.....Er...no thanks.
Mark - 100 posts means I get to suck your cock. Drop me an email and we'll arrange summat.
Sorry mate,I like ladies.Appreciate the offer tho',I'm very flattered.:D
There's something about it not being a New Order record that makes it inferior, even if it isn't. Nonsensical but true! Then again, I don't really like any of the post Technique albums anymore. Perhaps they shouldn't have released any of their recent output, as albums. There's too much that should never seen the light of day. Even some of the not too bad stuff, should only have been released as remixes, like perhaps Someone Like You. As New Order themselves were too lazy to keep up to date with musical treatments. I can't imagine a casual music fan stomaching an entire album of their recent stuff, and erm I'm waffling now, I'll stop.
Overall i'd have to say yes,as an album...But,and it's a big but!Cherry picked from the remainder of the albums on the poll.. Regret,Crystal,WFTSC,Krafty and Turn really do it for me,and I think they are class.Love those tracks personally..The Electronic album is more consistent for listening right through for me.I would'nt play the other albums in the poll without skipping a lot,well most of the tracks.
hadn't listened to this in aaaages & would have said prefer TT but stuck it on on way to work this morning & it's all come flooding back
Craig W wrote: I was a bit confused by it's 'eclecticism' initially, but WFTSC has really grown on me over the months and now I think it's an excellent album.
Electronic loses out because it's much less diverse although it's a rather classy full bloodied pop affair.
Completely missed this thread the other day. How does Electronic stand against NO post 89 albums. Think very well. some of B. Sumners best. Though like the other 'side project work, obviously doesn't have Peter Hook on bass or Ste. Morris with drums so it does not have the magic that is New Order.
Republic does have SPECIAL, REGRET, RUINED IN A DAY.. Then there is Crystal, Turn and WFTSC. agree w/ Craig here WFTSC is an excellent album. Blows most every band out of the water and has NO alchemy. Even if not anything close to their early live recorded sound. but now there's Re : Order..!
