whats the story behind the sheep noises in "fine time"?

i love it.

not sure there is a story other than that Steeve thought it was cool. The frogs on TPK are also his.

WELL!!

I've also been doin a lot thinkin about this. Its puzzled me for ages!!

the conclusion i eventually came to was that, they are infact, just Sheep baahh noises. Amazing innit!

Although some Studymen inside this screen may shed some different light on this wooly subject.

They wanted to have 'that's all folks' sampled from the cartoons at the end, but couldn't afford the royalties. So they changed it for the sheep

I've always assumed it's a reference to the way people mill around in nightclubs after the music has finished and have to be hearded out into the street, where they stand around in groups not sure what to do.

Diamond White wrote: They wanted to have 'that's all folks' sampled from the cartoons at the end, but couldn't afford the royalties. So they changed it for the sheep

I've always assumed it's a reference to the way people mill around in nightclubs after the music has finished and have to be hearded out into the street, where they stand around in groups not sure what to do.

i had written some bollox here. you are right.

Diamond White wrote: They wanted to have 'that's all folks' sampled from the cartoons at the end, but couldn't afford the royalties. So they changed it for the sheep

That's The Perfect Kiss, not Fine Time.

Thats All Folks! wouldve been a fucking disaster. Glad that was scraped (couldnt afford the sample must be bollocks?)

£50 Note wrote:

Diamond White wrote: They wanted to have 'that's all folks' sampled from the cartoons at the end, but couldn't afford the royalties. So they changed it for the sheep

That's The Perfect Kiss, not Fine Time.

then again i may not have written bollox. i'm too slack to go and look it up right now.

NOOLigan wrote: i'm too slack to go and look it up right now.

About The Perfect Kiss from the booklet in Retro:

Steve: We originally wanted to have Porky Pig saying "that's all folks!' at the end of it. But Warner Brothers said they wanted like a million dollars.

I don't think it has to mean anything. Commercially available sampling technology was still fairly new in 1988, so the novelty of throwing sheep into the song was probably nothing more than a laugh. The song also has that whole section by Barney where the vocal has been pitched down, trying to make it sound erotic (especially funny in the remixes, where the heavy breathing was left in), so it's already infused with a sense of humor.

I guess symbolically it could be "them hicks from Macclesfield go down to Ibiza" - Steve and Gillian do live on a farm. Sorta the same thing as The KLF using "Why sheep?" on the inner sleeve to The White Room.

£50 Note wrote: "them hicks from Macclesfield go down to Ibiza"

But I'm from Bolton

From an educational, academic source: http://www.niagara.edu/neworder/singles/ft.html

Q: What's with the sheep? A: It is said that the sheep sample was used as a joke - a tongue-in-cheek reference to the fact that "Fine Time" was and 'acid' track - something that everyone was doing at the time in the UK. Sheep...i.e. following the flock...

And I think there is a bit of Porky Pig squealing at the end of TPK, so I guess they did steal a sample from Warners after all, just so that they couldn't notice it.

And if you play State Of The Nation backwards, you'll hear Bob Larson say: "getting people to analyse rock music is what Satan wants".

Diamond White wrote: They wanted to have 'that's all folks' sampled from the cartoons at the end, but couldn't afford the royalties. So they changed it for the sheep quote]

Correct a-mundo!

dancers being mindless "sheep" for the rave culture/dance floor makes sense to me...

also/or ... maybe New Order being "sheep" for following dance trends instead of being innovators, mild self-depreciating humour about getting old in comparison to the younger acid house producers

either way the song has New Order's sense of humour present... I'm sure that the choice of sheep is not completely random, otherwise they could have used a Hedgehog

The frogs are apparently a reference in TPK to kissing a frog who then turns into a prince. As for Fine Time's sheep, it's anyone's guess but I'd say it could be about lesser musos who jump onto trendy bandwagons i.e follow like sheep. That said, Derbyshire, where Steve and Gillian live, is quite rural and sheep farming abounds!

The "that's all folks" was supposed to be on TPK, if you look at the run out groove, it has "That's soul folks" in it,(mine has anyway).

As for the sheep on fne time, probably just the lads deciding to "mess around".

They're best heard on the steve silk hurley mixes.

In one of the music papers it said.... "the sheep at the end of fine time, is clearly the lamb of god bleeting his approval that there's a new new order single"-

Well, even if we didn't get a legitimate answer(s), the sheep noises are cool. :)

You WANT a sensible answer?

Factory discs supplied with samplers are STUFFED with things like sheep noises and thunderclaps. They were playing with the E2 factory discs and found frogs and sheep, and decided to play with them. This is fully in keeping with all the noises all over BM which Bernard has admitted were put there just because their new sampler had a stack of such things on the preset discs (back in the 80's ppl were obsess with the sampler as spot FX machine, and also by it's ability to make a barking dog sing).

I heard a radio interview with NO in NYC when Technique came out, and Steve said they recorded the sheep themselves in the field outside of his farm. He claimed the same for the frogs in Perfect Kiss. he could've been making that up, of course...

J.A.K wrote:

Although some Studymen inside this screen may shed some different light on this wooly subject.

Don't start the scouse wooly war again

Shakin' Baker wrote: I heard a radio interview with NO in NYC when Technique came out, and Steve said they recorded the sheep themselves in the field outside of his farm. He claimed the same for the frogs in Perfect Kiss. he could've been making that up, of course...

or he could have been winding the interviewer up...

In these parts we have a lot of uses for sheep.

Recording them for backing vocals, however, is not one of them.

ask Steve--he'll tell you.

hibster wrote:

Shakin' Baker wrote: I heard a radio interview with NO in NYC when Technique came out, and Steve said they recorded the sheep themselves in the field outside of his farm. He claimed the same for the frogs in Perfect Kiss. he could've been making that up, of course...

or he could have been winding the interviewer up...

I'm shocked! As if a member of New Order would be less than honest to, or make sport of, a reporter!!!!! That's just terrible.

Shame on you Hibster.

don't forget that 'ruined in a day' has its share of sheep noises... hmmm... didn't bernard say they sacrificed some sheep (or was it goats) to create fine time??? or was it blue monday??? baaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh!!!???

Now I know why Ron is a fan of NO.....