New Hooky post... Split is CONFIRMED

Feck...

Even more confirmation of the split.

Cool

Not exactly news anymore but I still find it horrible to read.

Still, we've got shedloads of great stuff (an a little that's not so great:))to keep on enjoying.

That does suck. I was hoping to see them perform live once. :(

Psy

I'm a poor man, if you leave me I'm applauded, then forgotten It was summer, now it's autumn

Thanks for the GOOD times.

He's one grammarphobe, that's what he is!! I even find it hard to read what Spotnick has pasted, what with no full stops, commas and blah blah...

Well, I guess that's it then. Not that he can't recant at some point, but oh well. Fully expected.

I am saddened to hear about New Order I guess they just can't work together:( I will be left with the happy memories of Peter Hook now and back in 1993 at the concert at Canada's Wonderland I am starting to feel teary For sure Hookster will be remembered with his leather jacket and leather trousers not to mention his dark shades Hookster that dj gig in Jan. I will always treasure that night forever:) and for his deejaying he will always be classed as a dancing teddy bear. I do wish New Order all the best and will not be forgotten and they never was forgotten through all these years..

I am shocked, but didn't surprise me at all. Love you lots Hookster and hey I won't forget the bass and how low.

Missy a dedicated New Order fan and a huge Peter Hook fan

Well... Looks like it was worth it to fly to South America to see them after all. I caught them just in time.

:(

Dreams never end...

Guess all good things come to an end eventually...

Also confirmed on BBC website. No further details though.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/news/20070504_neworder.shtml

Even though they're "broken up," I wouldn't completely rule out one last gig at some point, especially once the hulaballoo surrounding Control starts up this fall. Would be perfectly feasible for them to do one last show for the hometown crowd (or elsewhere for that matter).

Very very sad. It does feel very final this time. And the horrible thing about it is that there was obviously some agreement that nothing would be said ("terrible secret") which, inadvertently, seems to have come out on a national radio show! One imagines Mr.Sumner wont be overly happy, what with the book coming out shortly (quick re-draft and some additional dirt digging by the author here we come.........).

Anyway, I knew this (the thing below) was out there in the ether somewhere and have just found it now on google. I remember writing this and thinking at the time how it captured exactly how I felt that night. Reading it now makes me verysad indeed. Seems like a lifetime ago now.

Thanks for the memories boys.

New Order Manchester Apollo 1998

First some background. I am 28 years old now. NewOrder provided the soundtrack to my first true love back in the Summer of 1987. The combination of the pure untainted love that you feel at the age of 17, and the discovery of a band that translated those feelings into music and words ("and I've never met anyone quite like you before...") was one that would change me for ever.

But then you get older. Relationships falter, you become more cynical, and music doesn't touch you in quite the same way anymore. You remember those feelings and think that you wont feel them quite as strongly ever again.

Last night changed all that. From the moment the opening chords to "Regret" were struck, to the emotional and sublime finale of "In a Lonely Place" I felt like I was 17 again. I actually nearly cried during "Temptation", it was just so perfect. I remember reading a description of NewOrder songs as symphonies, well if Mozart had written "Temptation" it would have been his greatest work.

I think what made last night so special (I would go so far as to say it was the best gig I've ever been to, stealing that title from Morrissey at Wolverhampton in '88) was that the band were obviously enjoying playing more than EVER before. A good measure of how much Barney is enjoying himself is how much he yelps. I gave up counting after about 5 during "Regret" alone. Hooky was pacing the stage, wrestling with his Bass, and posing like never before.

I was on a permenant high all night, goosepimples, shivers down the spine, the works. They even played "Paradise", one of my all time favourite album tracks. And "Isolation", my god, for an 18 year old song it sounded as cutting edge as anything else out in 1998.

One of my friends commented that there is nobody else quite like NewOrder, that even after 5 years away they are still as beautiful, dark, poignant, exhilarating, dangerous, and uplifting as ever. Long live NewOrder.

Jake

Hopefully they'll still release all those *extra* songs from Sirens. If they split, well I guess that's life, but to egg fans on with a promise of an album, with supposed music already recorded, and not to release it......well that just blows.

EdelBrock wrote: Hopefully they'll still release all those *extra* songs from Sirens. If they split, well I guess that's life, but to egg fans on with a promise of an album, with supposed music already recorded, and not to release it......well that just blows.

where did u read they will release the extras songs from Sirens ? I do wish u're right. But... No more NO Live set is a great lack for me - even if i supposed it would happen some day...

i think this falls into the "ah crap" category.

expect the "definitive collection" with ONE extra song left from the WFTSC sessions, finished by Sumner with Arthur Baker. oh, I forgot, this already happened in 1994...

*sigh* So it goes indeed, the end has come.

Time for a poem, methinks.

'The Postlude'

[dedicated to barney, hooky, steve, gillian, phil, and of course ian.]

The cheers of the encore, the sound of the music, the beat that carries you, the joy that releases you.

It is time for the final encore.

The crowd sings to the music, chanting out the words to every song as if the song brings out their life--

as if the one singing the song sings the life of the fans.

It is time for the final hurrah.

'COME ON!!' is the cheer to urge you on, as you scream for dear life in total joy, and it dawns on you, very quickly, that life, however short it is, goes on. for as the music dies down, the cheers rise one last time, the tears of some begin to fall, and the lights begin to dim, the final song is played, the last glorious opus...

It is time for the final masterpiece.

The band ends their amazing run, the fans, while sad because their time is over, rejoice because their time happened. The fans have the music, the memories, and nothing can take that away from them. Happiness will give sway occassionally to the tears that sometimes fall, but the tears will give way to laughter, and all will be well again.

The fans know this, and in knowing this they move on. Just like the band, they move on.

It is time for the final curtain call.

The band, they've had their time, they've had their fun, but now their sun is setting, and a new night has begun. But for the fans, and for the band, in the midst of the cheer and shout, they realize that their memory's a light-- a light that will never go out.

It is time for the final bow.

Sad indeed. I originally thought it was all over after the Reading '93 performance (worth watching if you weren't there is Dream Attack from that gig on YouTube, "I'm out of tune, or maybe everyone's out of tune with me") and Get Ready and WFTSC were very much unexpected and have given me many hours of pleasure, Get Ready reminds me in particular of bombing down the autostrada to Turin from Chamonix after driving through the Mont Blanc tunnel in 2003, one of the most perfect days, fucking brilliant. If they could just release the rest of the WFTSC sessions I'd be very happy even, as has been suggested in a few posts on here before, it's just an online only release.

I wonder what the autocue will do for work now? Does it have a side project lined up?

Ah well,thats that then

Thanks guys (and gal)

Saw these guys once (actually twice on the same tour) back at the height of Madchester in 1989. Knowing the ambivalent relationship these guys have always had, it's probably time they call it quits. If they don't want to see themselves become their own worst nightmare, aging rock stars, then they've made the right decision. Enjoy the retirement guys! You certainly deserve it!

Nevermind, i'll always have good memories of seeing them, only saw them 3 times but never saw a shit gig.

Man...really why...

The word "split" means probability of getting back together in the future is close to null. Why can't they just say "take a break" or something?

I waited until 2001 to finally see them live in LA and then again in 2005 at Coachella. Met the band at LAX in 2001 , then at lobby of the hotel they stayed in during 2005. My wife and I even showed Bernard our wedding bands, and in each etched the words "You used to be a stranger" and "Now that you're mine".

And now...nothing to really look forward to. This is just depressing. Really..what's going on?

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: right, that means I won't remember my last New order gig...

signed, lightweight of Austin...

and yes...it is ALL about ME!

At least I got to see them once...... :(

Well, I'm not totally shocked, though I'd wondered if we'd get one more "go around" with a new album, limited touring, etc.

Will always appreciate and remember the band(s) and their music....and all of the times (good and bad) associated with the records and shows.

to all concerned parties.

I'm not surprised, but somewhat sad about all this. I thought they were going to do small things here and there...maybe they still will? Doesn't hurt to be optimistic (or maybe it does, when you have your hopes dashed =P)

They had an awesome run though. I only wish I was born 10 years ealier so I'd have had the opportunity to see them live more. Looks like Bournemouth was my first and last NO gig...*sigh*

I wish them all the best of luck.

almansoglasnost wrote:

Spotnick wrote: Poor almanso, his first New Order gig will actually be the last one!

well, what can i say? at least i had the chance to see them. imagine for a moment they´d cancelled the show at last minute just like in 88.... i´m kinda sad for all those who didn´t have the chance to see them live and they had great expectations during the last tour.

And we may also had the chance to attend last NO concert ever.

Well it has been a good run for 30 years. Saw them three times and they had all good shows (1983, 1986 and 1989).

Watching NewOrderStory and it is a bit depressing now. This video is 14 years old and foursome are 14 years older and turning 50. They have been playing longer together than Ian C. was alive for 23 short years.

Still think in about 3-5 years, changing economic standards (i.e. we need money because the Warner/London/Factory residuals are going or gone) will bring them out again.

What is this big hairy secret that caused the breakup? Someone doing a Barney book?

I just wrote yesterday, in the other thread, that Hooky could have posted something on his MySpace blog about the split and here it is! Not exactly what I would have liked to read, but at least is quite clear and final, though nothing's said about the reasons... quite a difference from the euphoria at the heighth of the WFTSC release, from "the B sides are so good we're gonna make the next album with them next year and I must get used to the idea of playing Perfect Kiss at 60". Oh God... I'd have liked the story to have a less brutal interruption. As expected as it was, this is just a split like many bands'. With New Order, after all they've been through, I was expecting them to finish the project and then retire. All I was really expecting was what they had planned, a last album, Control promotion, 30th anniversary short tour etc. But something happened. And Bernard doesn't speak. I can't believe journalists aren't trying to contact him to hear his version of the story. At least to write "Bernard Sumner wasn't available for a comment" or something... Ah would we need Rob Gretton now!

Shall we wait for Tony's help this time?

Thanks you guys for the great moments here last year! You gave me 5 hangover days!!!

Mick Aneworderfan wrote:

I can't believe journalists aren't trying to contact him to hear his version of the story. At least to write "Bernard Sumner wasn't available for a comment" or something...

You can post your questions to:

B.S. HMY True Feint Pier 7 Golden Showers Marina Port Royal, Jamaica 41F 5CV

Unfortunately I haven't been able to check NOOL every day for news, but my guess for the reasons behind the split is Hooky and Barney had some serious problem between them on the last tour. It had been reported a couple of times Hooky hadn't reacted too well to some of Barney's behaviour on stage and vice versa, maybe they just got too old to stand each other. Steve probably had nothing to do with the split, he virtually wasn't even aware of it. What sounds wrong here is Barney's silence. By now he should have said something. I hope he'll do ASAP. Maybe he's too busy in Golden Showers?

New Order will never end...In my world, they will always be together, playing and making great, awe-inspiring music. I have all of their long-plays and I will forever treasure the sounds recorded in those. They can rest in their laurels if they want. They are not gone forever. Not to me. Never. It's time to celebrate Joy Division and New Order; not mourn them.

BTW, all the members deserve to be knighted by the Queen, including Ian. Is there a website somewhere where we can bote for this?

what a week man... I've got no words now, I'll wait till I'm recovered from everything that happend these days.

i wish there is something out there to change their minds.

The story has been picked up by Reuters now, so the news is everywhere, check this out. This is the #8 top news story according to this website. Has anyone tried to see what NO management have to say about this? Or Warner? CTB

Hooky, I saw Rourke in Mnchester on Friday night. Some drunk bloke was mithering him in the Roadhouse!

Hope this helps.

Vince Se wrote:

And now...nothing to really look forward to. This is just depressing. Really..what's going on?

A measured response there.

Frankly, with no chance of another season of the Sopranos and Tracy Barlow off our screens for the forseeable future, the posibility of another New Order gig was all that was keeping me going.

Now life just seems so...

...futile.

All is not lost, I have a cunning plan........more to be revealed soon!

CTB wrote: The story has been picked up by Reuters now, so the news is everywhere, check this out. This is the #8 top news story according to this website. Has anyone tried to see what NO management have to say about this? Or Warner? CTB

On ABC online. It must be true then.

nevermind. life trundles on.

must be true though.

http://uk.yahoo.com/

well now you all know, don't look shocked or anything, everybody knows hooky and bernard had a fractious relationship, they didnt take such a long break in the 90s out of love for each other, truth is they were sick of the sight of each other then, living in each others pockets for year after year, it would get on anybodys nerves. cant see it getting any easier this time round (98 onwards) 2 albums and a shed load of touring, it was like an accident waiting to happen. no big secret, i think hooky thought "why do this when its not enjoyable".

they'd be good doing a Les Dawson type sketch togther though.

Barney as Roy Barraclough

and Hooky as Les.

dressed up as old women.

or the other way around would be better still.

Boo hoo boo hoo Wahhhhh Boo hoo.

hands up if you've cried?

Didn't we all know this Six months ago ?

The 8 year 'hiatus' in '93 kind of undermines this for me. Until it comes from Bernard i'll take it with a pinch of salt. No disrespect to PH, just he's the only one who anyone hears stuff off-and he's the only one who has other stuff going on.

If they wrote those 'other' WFTSC tracks, Warners will want to put them out. Have they fullfilled a contractual obligation with Singles?

Only an idiot would think there wont be another compilation, because lets be honest, for a group that seems to have so much control over their music we've been fleeced enough times.

Well they carried on without Gillian, and truth is its no different-they'd just sound like Republic!

Hope you're not gonna follow me round this place correcting me Al?

C'est la vie. Thanks for the good times and the memories, been a big part of my life since the age of 14 (1984).

"Oh it's the last time" or is it? Is anything certain or final with the Order?

the split is being reported as "official" news on sites like msnbc and scoop in new zealand.

difficult bastards - the hook/sumner/ axis has finally imploded. och well it's not as though get ready, wftsc or even republic for that matter have ever been on high rotation (me? i'm a technique/low-life man). it's just a pity it took this long for the inevitable - can you imagine if Bernard had rolled with the momentum and produced a classic follow-up to the first electronic album?

i have been obsessed with new order since i dug out 12" copies of confusion and blue monday from my cousins record collection in 1986 and have only seen them live once, it was new order (version lounge) at fuji rock in 2001 when they played a greatest hits set with a noodling billy corgan.

i envy all of those who saw them live in 80s and early 90s

their influence is like a virus in modern music. they are generation x's most important band

http://www.myspace.com/perfectkis

captain obvious wrote:

their influence is like a virus in modern music. they are generation x's most important band

nah surely that was Screaming Trees.

it's a joke, according to the Guardian's website.

http://music.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2076508,00.html

New Order has split up, bassist Peter Hook claims

But it's news to his bandmates and publicist: 'This is probably just Hooky messing about. Everyone knows what he's like'

Rosie Swash Thursday May 10, 2007 Guardian Unlimited

Peter Hook, New Order's legendary bassist, has set the hearts of the band's many fans fluttering by claiming the band have split up. The only problem is that he doesn't seem to have told his record label or bandmates. In a message posted on his MySpace page, Hook claims - almost in passing - to be "relieved" that the news is out, but the alleged break-up was immediately denied by the band's press officer.

Article continues

In his message entitled "Life Goes On", Hook writes (typos his): "Well here we go again another action packed week. I suppose it was the interview with Clint Boon [on Manchester's XFM] that started it all off. He'd asked me for a few words on perry farrells satellite party single dogstar (which he thought was great) so i went on and lo and behold mentioned the N>O> split so i suppose because it was me sayin it it was out at last. im relieved really hated carryin on as normal with an awful secret so lets move on shall we?" Hook's remarks were, however, denied by the band's long-standing press officer Jayne Houghton this morning, who said that any split is news to fellow band members Bernard Sumner and Stephen Morris.

"As far as everyone is concerned, New Order will be going to Cannes next week, as a band, to promote the new Joy Division film [Control, a biopic based on the memoirs of Ian Curtis's wife Deborah]," she said. "This is probably just Hooky messing about. Everyone knows what he's like."

New Order formed in 1980 following the suicide of Ian Curtis and the resulting demise of Joy Division. Following on from Joy Division's gloomy, introspective sound, New Order received widespread critical acclaim for their blend of electronic and punk music. Their 1983 hit Blue Monday is frequently credited as the bestsellling 12-inch of all time. The band continued prolifically throughout the 80s, becoming the poster band for Tony Wilson's label Factory Records, and they were heavily involved with Manchester's legendary club venue the Hacienda.

I'm not so sure about it being a joke - he's been saying it to a fair few people, me included. Surely it ceases to become a wind-up after a while if it were meant as a joke?

can't Jack just give Ste or Barney a bell.

surely he can nick his dad's phone for a minute, find one of their numbers, and have a quick word.

C'mon Jack. you useless peice of...

I don't think it would be outright a 'joke', but I just read the Guardian article, and I do trust the Guardian, apparently, it's 'news' to Stephen and Barney. Hmmmm.....

How I think is, I think there's still some possibility of them breaking up, but still some possibility (perhaps a low possibility, who knows?) that they may not split up. If a band (not just New Order, any other random band as well) were splitting up for good, you'd probably expect confirmation from all members, as well as perhaps an official press release from the entire band regarding it.

You would expect as much from any other band, but this isn't any other band. Word of mouth (or something scribbled on the back of a fag packet) is/was about all we would ever get.

Keeps 'em in the news I suppose...

There's a very good Japanese phrase/word used to describe my feelings on this: it's written as 半信半疑 (pronounced 'hanshin-hangi'), and it literally means 'half believing but still half suspecting/not believing'.

There is unfinished business with a final gig in Manchester yet to happen. Cant let a wet night in Blackpool be my obituary.

leather_girl wrote: There's a very good Japanese phrase/word used to describe my feelings on this: it's written as 半信半疑 (pronounced 'hanshin-hangi'), and it literally means 'half believing but still half suspecting/not believing'.

There's a very good English phrase to describe my feelings on this. "What the heck?"

Joking aside, I'm not 100% convinced it is the end. Then again, I still believe that Richey Edwards is alive.

Rats.

What are they going to be doing now then? Who is Bernard going to form a not-quite-as-good-as-they-should-have-been supergroup with this time?

Like its been said, better than them becoming sad old fuckers like the Rolling Stones.

The only disappointment i'd have is that they wasted those the 90's. Should've had 2 or 3 albums then. Who honestly would rather have had the Electronic & Revenge albums?

i never got to see new order live...well, not much to say to that except, its nice to have the music still....on cd...

El Jarvo wrote:

Steve One wrote: Until it comes from Bernard i'll take it with a pinch of salt.

So, if Barney wants to carry on New Order without Hooky would people still see that as 'New Order'?

Personally, I doubt it.

Hopefully all this personal appearance (let's face it, that's basically what the Hookster's deejaying is) stuff will come to an end and Hooky will come to his senses. Sooner, rather than later, please.

I think you've mad a useful point there. While Hooky is "making hay while the sun shines" in his new found DJ career it's easy for him to put a big two fingers up to the rest of the band. And no disrespect to the man for doing this.

However.....as Al points out, these DJ sets are little more than personal appearances and I'm pretty sure bookings will be a bit harder to come by in a year or so's time. Lets be honest, on the few occassions I've seen Hooky DJ he's mis-read the crowd completely and not really given the punters what they want.

Couple that with the fact that, like it or not, he isn't THAT big a draw and you're unlikely to see many promoters booking him more than once. A glance at his rather sparse tour diary on the Myspace thing along with some of his own comments about how quiet places have been and how "hard the crowd were" kinda backs this up.

Everyone's gotta make a living, NO may well tread the boards again when the other income streams have been exhausted.

BTW, all the members deserve to be knighted by the Queen, including Ian.

Not sure they're monachists, given they made an album called Republic... plus it doesn't sit to kindly with their anti-authoritarian bent, methinks.

Ah well, these things happen.... not the end of the world, nor totally unexpected, but still a bit sad. Would've been good if they could've gone out on a good note (always a challenge, live at least :-)), rather than with WFTSC, or worse still (IMHO) with outtakes therefrom, but there you go!

For me, Ceremony was always the song, so I suppose that the overall trend has been a gradual decline since then.

New Dawn Fades, eh?

Never say Never. I don't believe it will be permanent. They still have enough music for at least one more album and I will wait patiently for it.

I got a friend of mine into New Order and he has bought every album and single by NO and has never seen them in concert. Techically I have seen them 4 times, 3 as New Order and once as Electronic. He's jealous he hasn't seen them in concert. Maybe if they come back together just for a reunion concert he will have a chance.

Jane

Tony Blair and John Prescott announce resignation plans today as well.

Coincidence? I doubt it.

Tony Wilson stood for election once you know.

I wonder who'll be PM and who'l be the Chancellor?

Vote Hooky

BIGINOIL wrote: Tony Blair and John Prescott announce resignation plans today as well.

Coincidence? I doubt it.

Tony Wilson stood for election once you know.

I wonder who'll be PM and who'l be the Chancellor?

Vote Hooky

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGH NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DONT YOU REMEMBER THE HACIENDA!!!!!!!!

Jane Chase wrote: Never say Never. I don't believe it will be permanent. They still have enough music for at least one more album and I will wait patiently for it.

I got a friend of mine into New Order and he has bought every album and single by NO and has never seen them in concert. Techically I have seen them 4 times, 3 as New Order and once as Electronic. He's jealous he hasn't seen them in concert. Maybe if they come back together just for a reunion concert he will have a chance.

Jane

So you mean you have seen New Order 3 times and Electronic once.......

well,that's that then,it's a sad day for the Manchester music scene but all great things must end eventually,possibly there may be a reunion concert in the distant future or maybe not,who knows,all there is to say really is,good luck to the lads (and Gillian,let's not forget her) and put your feet up,you've earned it!

almansoglasnost wrote:

Spotnick wrote: Poor almanso, his first New Order gig will actually be the last one!

well, what can i say? at least i had the chance to see them. imagine for a moment they´d cancelled the show at last minute just like in 88.... i´m kinda sad for all those who didn´t have the chance to see them live and they had great expectations during the last tour.

Alejo.. I'm feeling the same way, i was lucky too....Rio Nov 16 was also my first and last New order gig, i did it right traveling from Colombia to Brazil last year....finally my dream came true!!

well...there is nothing i regret!!

:)

Jane Chase wrote: I got a friend of mine into New Order and he has bought every album and single by NO and has never seen them in concert. Techically I have seen them 4 times, 3 as New Order and once as Electronic. He's jealous he hasn't seen them in concert. Maybe if they come back together just for a reunion concert he will have a chance.

Jane

Damn straight that I'm jealous that you have seen them multiple times and I have yet to seem them once in concert. Sighs; I knew I should have just flown to Europe last year to see them.

Psy

I never saw them either. Should've gone to NY when I had the chance.

I now think it's a wind up. I think Hooky was secretly annoyed about the March Madness polls appearing on the main forum and thought he'd give us something to talk about and keep the momentum up until Control was premiered.

in the end the music lives on. from myself, I offer a heartfelt thanks to the band for making songs I'll always enjoy.

Well, a week is not so distant, let's see if they really go to Cannes. (Yeah, right). Maybe it's just a joke taken too far, but I don't think Hooky would really write stuff like that only to joke, when he talks about a "secret" he's obviously talking about a secret between him and Bernard, so I don't really believe Barney wasn't aware about anything. Someone could ask Andy Robinson what the fuck is happening? Now that would be a reliable source. Maybe there's some sort of negotiation between the members and someone is trying to keep the band alive to finish their projects. After all, in 1998 Bernard said they were back, but had to finish their commitments with the side projects before releasing new stuff. I just see weird to split now in such a way before finishing what they had planned to do. I don't think they're in the same position as in the mid-90s, financially speaking. They've lost no money with any Hacienda this time, they've certainly had a good income from the sales, and they're in a status now when their records constantly sell. Even if they don't release anything in the future, people will always buy a few copies of the classics. Records like Closer and Technique always sell. Young music fans just buy these albums like they buy the classics from Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd etc. Not in the same amount, unfortunately, but still pretty much. It's amazing how many teenagers respect this band. They're not proper fans, but if you mention Joy Division or New Order they see them as a classic band and quite some have a couple of their albums and enjoy them once in a while. New Order made some money with the last two albums and the tours, and this time they didn't blow it away on drugs and wrong businness. I'm sure Barney has still his yacht, Hooky has three cars, and they don't expect to live longer than 30 other years. Also I think they could have pensions in a dozen of years! No, I don't think they won't ever reform to earn a living. At their age, a split was to be expected, but as I said, it's just happening in a very strange way.

I think this is all a bit of a clever psychological stunt as instigated by Hooky. It's probably no more than a perverse reaction to the sheer number of 1980s bands that have reformed (or indeed are going to reform) in recent months - with The Police being the most recent and the godawful Spandau Ballet mooted to be the next.

Maybe this is why he decided the band should "split" - cos every other bloomin tom dick and harry from the 80s are getting back together. ;)

Headline in a few months

"New Order, rising like a pheonix from the ashes...of New Order"

Brian Barker wrote: Headline in a few months

"New Order, rising like a pheonix from the ashes...of New Order"

Post of the Day.

Of course I remember the Hacienda.

Cans of Red Stripe were 50p.

I'd vote for that

Maybe I'm cynical but look at all the attention this has generated. Headlines in the papers.

Though I think it's funny that no matter how hard he tries to assert that new order have split, nobody believes him.

I'm desolated to hear all that. I had enough waiting for the first 7 years (1994-2001), now this is finally the end, my hectic friend. :( :( :( :(

Why is the Fall still ttrrrying?

Reading enough between the lines on this website and news services and think this is a bunch of crap started by Hooky. They have alsways been stand-offish with their fans which is strange since it should humble them that people have been following them for 30 years.

Hooky is not going to make much more money doing this occasional D.J.-ing when he is an "EX-member" of New Order. The novelty will go away soon along with most money and conpensation and they cannot be getting that much money between the 4, 5, or 6 of them (Barney, Hooky, Steve and Gillian, Phil C. and the Ian Curtis estate) from Warner/Qwest/London/Factory residuals....they may have made some arrangments after Factory's collapse with the "new owners", but honestly if they sell more than 100K copies of their back catalog a year with maybe a royalty of a pound a copy is going to leave them with maybe 15-20,000 pounds a year royalties, I would be surprised. The whole 90's from Republic to Get Ready was a waste since they got out of Factory's money drain and The Hac was going away, too, and they did little other than forgetable side projects.

Yachts, air travel, fancy cars and tanks will not be fed or procured at those benefits.

I hate to be a spoil sport but in about 3-5 years, N.O. will have to start touring again and recording.

It does not make economic sense for them to stop touring and recording together. Separately they make less money and soon will be forgotten. Together, they are greater than the whole. That is their strength. When they do these disappearing side projects, they will disappear. The market will forget them and the bulk of the fans.

Their job is Warsaw/J.D./N.O....it is their thirty year career and do not see them as dinosaurs....just aging like the rest of us.

old lead foot wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote:

Vote Hooky

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGH NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DONT YOU REMEMBER THE HACIENDA!!!!!!!!

But think of the shirts he could wear to make his points subtle and known? Like that 'Let God sort 'em out' one, f'instance.

I'm not bothered by this split news. Went through it before with the 8 year 'hiatus' and well, surely there'll be other old gems to be released and maybe the one off gig for charity or something to that tune. I'd definitely like more confirmation from the rest of the band but if this is what we get, fine.

There's a thread on Fark about the breakup, with quite a few people posting that they had no idea the band was still going.....

New Order has broken up on MySpace. Fan inconsolable

ally wrote:

I remember asking Hooky in a web chat in '97 whether New Order would reform and his response was "There's a snowball's chance in hell of that" then by 1998 it was all hugs and "just like going home for Christmas"

This time there's no Rob Gretton to put some pressure on them to get back together like in 98.

Still, Just wait till tomorrow...

Ah well... 2017 looks good for the reunion tour!

http://www.side-line.com/news.php?id=P22985

"New Order splits for good? Hook says yes, the rest says no."

Update: according to New Order's spokeswoman Jayne Houghton Bernard Sumner is completely unaware of a possible split adding that Hook mixes up everything again.

No idea. Somehow, I just doubt it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070510/en\_nm/neworder\_dc

nice...now its on yahoo news...imo this is total crap...why announce you are breaking up...its becoming like a freaking prize fighter who keeps retiring and making comebacks.

Just shut up...do your own projects and when you feel like it make music together.

If Hooky's having fun its still pretty maudlin...

It's also on BBC ceefax entertainment news.

If the beeb says it's true, it MUST be true.

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: I won't believe it until I see it in the Sun!!!

be sure to wear your shades then.

eye protection

Alan Paul Kitching wrote: Whatever happens all the best to Bernard, Hooky, Steve, Gillian and Phil for the future - cheers!

Nuff Said cheers!

How come people are still denying all this?

Remember, they are currently in the process of selling all their musical kit on eBay!!

adchelle wrote: How come people are still denying all this?

Remember, they are currently in the process of selling all their musical kit on eBay!!

Old kit that was used 18 years ago in the most. There's been nothing current on there.

its made page 3 of todays

Manchester Evening News.

its says in the headline, "the awful secret" is finally out.

Isn't this a bit like a boxer announcing his retirement? you know, sooner or later, for better or worse, he'll be back in the ring.

Gutted, but you could see it coming. They've given me more happiness in my time than almost anything else. Best wishes lads (and Gillian) - thanks for the (pissed-up, wobbly, vague but euphoric) memories!

Their relationship is more like a marriage than a band, they fall out, they get back together, they take a break. They probably have split and believe it - but who knows it they'll get the urge to do it all again.

Or just maybe it is finally the divorce courts this time??!

Here's to a life of Re:Order, Digital and Hooky's funny dj-ing

Oh well, suppose we ought to have another NOOL Day then, it's the only chance some of you will have to buy me a drink in the near future!

Ness Order wrote: Their relationship is more like a marriage than a band, they fall out, they get back together, they take a break. They probably have split and believe it - but who knows it they'll get the urge to do it all again.

Or just maybe it is finally the divorce courts this time??!

Here's to a life of Re:Order, Digital and Hooky's funny dj-ing

Egads. I'm glad to say, my marriage is happier than that! :)

Where's Rob gretton when we need him, too bad he's passed on. Oh well, Tony Wilson may get them together again someday like Rob did on for 316. Too me, I dont give a fuck no more. Who cares, its done before (the split), i think they are shitting us so when the put an album out, it would generate sales, but like I say, I dont give a fuck no more. Life goes on.

Does that mean the polls are going to stop too?

Wish we'd known, we'd have got them to split in 1980!

Greg Levay wrote: Hooky is not going to make much more money doing this occasional D.J.-ing when he is an "EX-member" of New Order. The novelty will go away soon along with most money and conpensation and they cannot be getting that much money between the 4, 5, or 6 of them (Barney, Hooky, Steve and Gillian, Phil C. and the Ian Curtis estate) from Warner/Qwest/London/Factory residuals....they may have made some arrangments after Factory's collapse with the "new owners", but honestly if they sell more than 100K copies of their back catalog a year with maybe a royalty of a pound a copy is going to leave them with maybe 15-20,000 pounds a year royalties, I would be surprised. I hate to be a spoil sport but in about 3-5 years, N.O. will have to start touring again and recording.

As I said, I don't think they've that kind of problems anymore. You don't see all the bands of past decades reforming just to earn a living. Well, many actually do reform, even the Pixies when before it looked like senseless to even dream about it, but the most of the bands don't reform, and there aren't many former members skint under the bridge. Musicians with a career a dozen years long manage to carry on a decent life even since off the scene, I don't think that members from a legendary band with 30 years of history will ever have the problem of paying the bills. And if they really need some money, they can always do some production for some of the many bands influenced by them, that's the best way to earn money for a respected musician, since it also has virtually no cost.

djelrock wrote: New Order will never end...In my world, they will always be together, playing and making great, awe-inspiring music. I have all of their long-plays and I will forever treasure the sounds recorded in those. They can rest in their laurels if they want. They are not gone forever. Not to me. Never. It's time to celebrate Joy Division and New Order; not mourn them.

BTW, all the members deserve to be knighted by the Queen, including Ian. Is there a website somewhere where we can bote for this?

Whatever my heart's feeling, this man has said it.

well i think its pretty lame that official word has come via fookin myspace. Should of played one last gig with Gillian in machester and announced the end of it.

I also was surprise to wake up this morning and see the split on the headlines of Yahoo US. I didn't think it would get that much attention.

Also, Americans stop complaining about not seeing them play. You had plenty of chances.

JZee wrote: I also was surprise to wake up this morning and see the split on the headlines of Yahoo US. I didn't think it would get that much attention.

Really? Are you serious? That is shocking. Maybe yahoo US is ownder by Brits?

Shellshocker wrote:

JZee wrote: I also was surprise to wake up this morning and see the split on the headlines of Yahoo US. I didn't think it would get that much attention.

Really? Are you serious? That is shocking. Maybe yahoo US is ownder by Brits?

serious. for a couple of hours in the headline reserved for entertainment news.

Oh FFS!

Will you lot pull yourself together?

Any real NO fan has been put through this sort of shite too many times.

It seemed pretty obvious to me, from about 10 minutes into the opening date of the tour at Bournemouth that they were knackered and sick of each other. A date billed to be their '25th Anniversary Gig' with special guests and lots of surprises turned out to be a complete lead balloon of a gig.

The Argentinian journalist badgering them for answers in Buenos Aires pretty much drew the same conclusion from them too, at the end of a long tour. Isn't it time we just stopped asking if they are breaking up EVERY five minutes?

Let them have a couple of years off. Sounds like they need it yet again. They aint in their twenties no more. No disrespect to Jack, but Hooky is a rubbish DJ. He will snap out of it. Bernard is a moody fucker at times, especially after touring. They will snap out of it, after a couple of years.

In the mean time, you lot.. shurrup about them breaking up all the time. This seems to be a never ending cycle since 1992.

ah, well. so it goes....

Will this mean Freebase be a for sure deal? Maybe they would continue on as "new order"" like the side projects did. When I say before life goes on, when Ian died the band didnt did with him. BTW, New order, thanks for the memories; not only you changed the way music is heard today, nott only once, but twice. Post-punk and electronic music.

Yep , had some great times - Sheffield Roxy, June 87 i still regard as the best gig i caught.But how many times to some people on here want them to get back and carry on for???? Til they die it appears.They're knackered and its time to let it go FFS.

Not cool!! But life has to go on!!:\ohwell:

Major Tarantino wrote:

Are you saying you have true faith?

yet again , a half arsed bloody split , only to be expected i suppose , they always did everything in a half arsed way .

Just confirm it officially , please .

For me it was all over in 1993 , the reunion produced some decent stuff but the spark was gone .

So all I ask now is , offical announcement give us the rarities/outtakes box set we all want then let us wallow in the old days

New Order you changed my life and attitudes , I thank you for that .

O'well ............

Ive had fantastic time seeing NO meeting fantastic people, that can never be taken away ....

Thanks for all the memories

and the future .....

side projects...????

But most of all ....

Re-order Digital & Annual NOOL days / weekends, whens the next one ??????

Did someone say split?

Split? Can't be that serious - the thread's only 6 pages long...

Snorri xxx

= / Just as I was starting to get into the band

They say that all good things must come to an end... It is very sad that this has happened.

I know that relationships change and sour over time. A band is like that. Its just hard to imagine to leave the boat on the dock after so many years.

And no one can replace that.

Joy Division and New Order have been here for me for the last 20 years. This year was the worst year of my life. I lost my wife and daughter to a divorce.

I found solace to their music.

So I thought, I would like to share a couple of lines to let them know that, I thank them for their company.

I will still take them and their music on my journey of life, just like they will take all this years of memories with them.

Life will go on, but it will not be the same.

My best friend told me that break ups are new opportunities to start a new life.

They say that every new begining, comes from some other beginings end...

So, In the eternal words of Ian Curtis:

Picture me, and then you start watching....

Watching Forever...

All the best.

Jose.

Rikki Mackenzie wrote: = / Just as I was starting to get into the band

Unlucky

Oh well. It was good while it lasted. I just hope: (a) hooky isn't quitting just to help someone with their exam revision and (b) bernard doesn't go and form a supergroup with one of the gallagher brothers.

Does anyone have the faintest idea if this is true or not? I'm completely confused! Who can we ask?

Snorrimon wrote: Split? Can't be that serious - the thread's only 6 pages long...

Snorri xxx

well its very bad/good news...New Order were my favourite band(life even) for over 15 years..i found the last 2 albums patchy at best....im thinking that this silent split is "maybe" down to two things:

Barney "maybe" doesnt want a morrissey/marr style split up with hooky....the control movie is near and the re relealse of new order/joy division material is on the way..... a major split up with press involved may upset the apple cart...

The record company(london) have requested a low key/slow death to maximise record sales..

i personally think that "hooky" didnt want to treat the bands fans in such a slightly underhand way and spoke his mind from his position at the time...anyway

THANK YOU for over 20 years of my life filled with the most heart touching and joyous music i have ever heard....the beatles set the pace and Joy Division/New Order have picked up the batton and are now ready to pass it on....but to who?

The amazing live gigs i have seen this band play at include: the tower ballroom ,birmingham twice...i heard "love will tear us apart" live for the very first time, whilst standing behind Rob Gretton who was on the sound desk,wearing a long coat and looking like a perfect gentleman thug...lol i also made it to doncaster rotters nottingham old concert hall bradford....??? the factory outing to finsbury park...i got to the front row finally but had to leave half way through to catch my coach back home. birmingham nec i had tickets for wolverhampton in 2006 but gave them to a very happy neighbour ,as my wife had booked a 2 week holiday surprise for me at the same time as the gig...shes a morrissey fan so doesnt like new order on principle(barmy mare)

im gonna miss this great band and especially the Mighty Steve Morris for his amazing skill on the drums(he gave the heart for hooky and barney to build all their great songs) anyway sorry for rambling but a big thank you to joy division ..new order...tony wilson ...the stockholm monsters...durritti column...a certain ratio...rob gretton and finally a big hello and hug to Anik Honore.... from phil

shhh...the media are reading our thoughts!

It's always nice to be quoted over something I said on an earlier page. Will have to forward this to my employer.

'I guess that's what they all say. Just before they fall apart.'

The end of a 25+ year journey for some of us.

Endearingly shambolic and confusing, in true New Order fashion.

While NO may never play or record again, you'd think we may still get some new material at some stage. The Sirens' outtakes would still turn a buck if they were polished up and cobbled together.

We're almost halfway to the Blue Monday 50 Year Anniversary, so let's not give up hope of a reunion.

:\pimp3:

Attention seeking bastards the lot of them! Hardly a big deal if they do split up,they aren't U2 are they? If those pricks called it a day it'd be News At Ten headline news. Truth is you love them, people on here do. To the rest of the world they probably went their own ways after WIM. Regret at a push...

So what about this, according to Guardian online it might not be true?

New Order has split up, bassist Peter Hook claims

But it's news to his bandmates and publicist: 'This is probably just Hooky messing about. Everyone knows what he's like'

Rosie Swash Thursday May 10, 2007 Guardian Unlimited

Peter Hook, New Order's legendary bassist, has set the hearts of the band's many fans fluttering by claiming the band have split up. The only problem is that he doesn't seem to have told his record label or bandmates. In a message posted on his MySpace page, Hook claims - almost in passing - to be "relieved" that the news is out, but the alleged break-up was immediately denied by the band's press officer.

Article continues

In his message entitled "Life Goes On", Hook writes (typos his): "Well here we go again another action packed week. I suppose it was the interview with Clint Boon [on Manchester's XFM] that started it all off. He'd asked me for a few words on perry farrells satellite party single dogstar (which he thought was great) so i went on and lo and behold mentioned the N>O> split so i suppose because it was me sayin it it was out at last. im relieved really hated carryin on as normal with an awful secret so lets move on shall we?" Hook's remarks were, however, denied by the band's long-standing press officer Jayne Houghton this morning, who said that any split is news to fellow band members Bernard Sumner and Stephen Morris.

"As far as everyone is concerned, New Order will be going to Cannes next week, as a band, to promote the new Joy Division film [Control, a biopic based on the memoirs of Ian Curtis's wife Deborah]," she said. "This is probably just Hooky messing about. Everyone knows what he's like."

New Order formed in 1980 following the suicide of Ian Curtis and the resulting demise of Joy Division. Following on from Joy Division's gloomy, introspective sound, New Order received widespread critical acclaim for their blend of electronic and punk music. Their 1983 hit Blue Monday is frequently credited as the bestsellling 12-inch of all time. The band continued prolifically throughout the 80s, becoming the poster band for Tony Wilson's label Factory Records, and they were heavily involved with Manchester's legendary club venue the Hacienda.

thats life... cunts

maybe ACR will follow in their footsteps.

Nicholas Williams wrote: So what about this, according to Guardian online it might not be true?

Simple - if Hooky doesn't want to be in the band anymore (and he doesn't), then either New Order can carry on without him, or they split up...

Something just occured to me, but doesn't it seem odd that in the first post about the split Hooky kind of blames Barney( which to be fair in all that has been said in the history of this band, Barney has said these kind of things )...

"When asked if the split was permanent, he added: "Bernard went off for a break with Electronic, but that was different. But it's like the boy who cried wolf this time."

And then in the material from The Guardian it seems that this isn't the case....

Anyway, I'm not trying to beat a dead horse, just seems odd is all....

I am glad I had the opportunity to see them in concert a few times. And saw Electronic with Neil Tennant.

They should at least finish the last album since they have 6 or 7 songs left over.

So what's the link between Hooky and Perry Farrel? Is that a one-off or will they work together.

Farrel's big in the States, isn't he. Who needs New Order? Hooky's hit the Big Time

Saw them once in Chicago '05...gutted, of course, but hey, life goes on, eh?

BIGINOIL wrote: So what's the link between Hooky and Perry Farrel? Is that a one-off or will they work together.

Farrel's big in the States, isn't he. Who needs New Order? Hooky's hit the Big Time

No one's given a toss about Perry in ages. His legacy is one over rated band, one forgettable band, and an alternative rock bonanza that instantaenously verged on self-parody.

Many of us in the states think that the best thing Perry Ferrel could do is make someone a great pet.

Is Farrell still selling records and tickets in great numbers? That Lollapoluza is still going strong?

BIGINOIL wrote: Is Farrell still selling records and tickets in great numbers? That Lollapoluza is still going strong?

quite simply, no.