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Or is anyone else totally un-fussed by Control?
I love the music, but somehow this film seems like voyeurism at best and corpse feeding at worst. I mean if it's a very good film I'll watch it, but as far as finding out about Ian and his personal life???? I'd have thought that was his business.
It just seems wrong and a little dirty to me.
Then again, I do have a history of getting the wrong end of the stick and proceeding to beat about the bush with it.
Hmmm.. , dunno, from the clips i've seen Sam Riley's Ian Curtis looks too much like a "cool dude" and nothing like the otherworldly and slightly scary Ian Curtis i've always known.Not that i ever knew him , of course but from what i got from the music and the images
Johnny wrote: Hmmm.. , dunno, from the clips i've seen Sam Riley's Ian Curtis looks too much like a "cool dude" and nothing like the otherworldly and slightly scary Ian Curtis i've always known.Not that i ever knew him , of course but from what i got from the music and the images
well said, johnny, this is what i was thinking.
Completely agree with you, Cambo.
Although I got into JD through 24 Hour Party People, that film gave a broad view of Factory Records and didn't just focus on one era. Perhaps that's what sparked my interest in JD/NO: I had to make the effort to find out more. Five years later, my interest has peaked, so I'm not as awed as I would have been (say) three years ago.
Control will undoubtebly bring new fans into the fold. Great if it does, but we know how it's going to end, so what's the point?
Big Black wrote: Completely agree with you, Cambo.
Although I got into JD through 24 Hour Party People, that film gave a broad view of Factory Records and didn't just focus on one era. Perhaps that's what sparked my interest in JD/NO: I had to make the effort to find out more. Five years later, my interest has peaked, so I'm not as awed as I would have been (say) three years ago.
Control will undoubtedly bring new fans into the fold. Great if it does, but we know how it's going to end, so what's the point?
Well it is supposedly fully approved by and made with cooperation of his widow, so there goes the issue about delving into his personal life.
BLTs with a tragic outcome do make a good story.
Don't you watch old movies cause you know how they end??
This film as opposed to 24HPP is more about the person rather than the music and factory records. I don't have a problem with that. Neither does it seem does anybody who knew Ian.
NOOLigan wrote:
Don't you watch old movies cause you know how they end??
Clearly that bit of irony flew straight over your head.
Doctor? wrote: I'll watch it, but as far as finding out about Ian and his personal life???? I'd have thought that was his business. It just seems wrong and a little dirty to me.
No, it's a no no for me too Doc! *("The film expands on the book "Touching From A Distance" by Deborah Curtis, which was a personal account of her life with Ian Curtis"). When I read the book I was repeatedly thinking "eh? wtf? aye right"! Plus it got me musing on how two people can have a relationship & live in the same house yet be so far apart, with at least one person totally misunderstanding the other; aweright I'm a tit, who only knew him through his lyrics, but come on who do you think your kidding? Deborah may have attempted a unbiased assessment, but, but (lwtua), just how unbiased could an ex, or soon to be ex-spouse be? And why do we need to know shit about his personal life? Your right Doc, it smacks of an unhealthy voyeurism. I very much doubt I'll be into it at all.
Then I noticed this; and it may be a small quibble... but wtf? *"Filmed on location in Nottingham which looks more like Joy Division's Manchester than the present day Manchester".
All in all, aside from the music, it's a "thanks but no thanks" from me, I'll no be running to the local flea-pit to see it.
quotes marked * are from: http://members.aol.com/lwtua/these.htm
Edit: shit, shit, shit, me rushing in were angels fear to tread as usual. Just read the thread below this one "Hooky talking about control" and he thoroughly recommends it! "Like reading my diary" so is it as far from the truth (or, reality?) as I thought? He says "give it a chance". Shit, shit shit!
NOOLigan wrote:
Don't you watch old movies cause you know how they end??
Wee bit of levity...
An uncle told me he was watching a WWII film with his wife (not the sharpest knife in the drawer) one evening and she went to bed before it ended. In the morning she asked him "Who won"?
Well I'm very interested in it, but because I want to show up all the errors and mistakes ;)
Seriously, it will be interesting for me to see the way they've taken artistic license etc on various aspects, and I do want to see if Anton Corbijn has been able to accurately reflect the other band members, something that was blatantly missing from 24 Hour Party People.
Can't wait for the threads about this was wrong, that was wrong, that was played in a different key, wrong type of SG etc etc etc 
I shall reserve my judgement until ive seen it, although the idea of "the band" playing/singing themselves appeals to me,much more than them acting out a "live" performance to backing music
can't wait to hear what theNottigham order reckon to living in a 70'S time warp 
Hooky saying good things about it doesn't sway me that much, he can hardly say it's a sack of shite (yet).
I'm just terrified that it'll be some horrible intrustion, accurate or not.
And if it aint about JD....it's about a guy who worked in a factory.
fookit it's oldmonkey again wrote: Well I'm very interested in it, but because I want to show up all the errors and mistakes ;)
Seriously, it will be interesting for me to see the way they've taken artistic license etc on various aspects, and I do want to see if Anton Corbijn has been able to accurately reflect the other band members, something that was blatantly missing from 24 Hour Party People.
Can't wait for the threads about this was wrong, that was wrong, that was played in a different key, wrong type of SG etc etc etc
That's exactly why I can't enjoy watching movies about stuff I'm interested in and know a bit about. The director will get something wrong and my interest in the movie stops at that point.
The director will get something wrong?
You DO know who Anton C.....don't you?
He was with JD throughout the bands lifetime - he's NOT just some photographer who took a couple of snaps you know?
Some might say that his portraits were as responsible for creating the bands mystique as anything else.
J.
You know how you sometimes read a book before seeing the film of the book, and you decide in your mind's eye what the characters look like, how they interact with each other etc? That's what makes this film potentially interesting, as we already know what our own mind's eye films look like, complete with stills and in some cases recollections of the era and the people involved.
What is really fascinating for me is seeing what was in Anton Corbijn's mind's eye, given that he was there at the time, and seeing how he is choosing to take the source material and represent and recreate it on film.
Jonathan wrote: The director will get something wrong?
You DO know who Anton C.....don't you?
He was with JD throughout the bands lifetime - he's NOT just some photographer who took a couple of snaps you know?
Some might say that his portraits were as responsible for creating the bands mystique as anything else.
J.
The 4.45 has returned! Welcome back sir
Back? let's hope so - i've spent way too much time not bothering my arse - even for MY liking.
Thanks for the welcome by the way.
By way of explanation for the previous post -
Anton Corbijn (amongst others) was with the band on the last tour when Ian was with Annik regularly and witnessed things at very close quarters - as a result i suspect he knows exactly what was going on. His insight will be as complete as anyones - His film is about Ian and NOT Joy Division though clearly the band play a vital role in the tale.
Who'd have thought - even in recent years - that this story would be committed to film in this way and through one of the worlds premier photographic talents too?
Corbijn truly was instrumental in creating what many regard as mythology with his stark black & white photographs that provided a fitting record of the band who became New Order.
Well I'm looking forward to it. Alright if you don't want to destroy your preconceptions of the Man,then Yeah don't see it. But this will not only draw from Touching From A Distance,it will also draw on Annik's POV,and possibly even the band. Note that at the end of the day,Debbie Curtis was a little pissed of at the end,because Anton took full "control" at the end on how the film would be represented.So expect a broader picture of Ian.
I believe Deleuze said something like "film is a completely different medium than literature so if you want to complain about the book being better than the movie, keep your ass at home and just read the fucking book." Or something similar.
I think it'll be a thrill to see Joy Division's story up on the big screen however it comes out. Even though 24HPP wasn't anything close to "historically accurate," it didn't spoil the experience at all. All of the condensed and bent facts just added another layer of viewing pleasure for those Factory fans "in the know" who liked to separate the fact from fiction. It's not a shortcoming of the film, but just a different means of interacting with the text. After all, it's not a documentary, FFS. And it doesn't look to be a glossy, convenient Hollywood production like that crap Johnny Cash biopic from a few years back.
Well said, Pope Happycat I!! Well said!!