New Order DATs

The seller managed to misdescribe that one!

"The tapes are not so big as regular tapes" - no s**t!

How much did it cost? (if that's not a rude question).

EDIT : JD Substance also came out on DAT. I remember it on display in The Other Record Shop in Glasgow, pinned to the wall in a clear plastic LP sleeve.

I think they tend to go for £25-30 for single ones. The sealed 'Substance' could go a little higher.

Problem with these is that few people can actually play them, so that keeps prices lower than their actual rarity would suggest.

johnny james wrote: I think they tend to go for £25-30 for single ones. The sealed 'Substance' could go a little higher.

Problem with these is that few people can actually play them, so that keeps prices lower than their actual rarity would suggest.

Yeah but nobody's gonna be buying it to play it though. It's for the curiosity/rarity value surely? I reckon you got a bargain Ally. And if you really do wanna play it I reckon you'd pick up a second hand DAT player for less than 50 quid.

I used to use a format called DCC when I was doing music stuff back in the early/mid 90's. Philips brought it out to rival DAT. I was one of onlt a handful of other dafties who bought into it and shelled out a good few tonne for a player/recorder. TWAT.

You did a nice bit of business there ally!

Well I think those prices are quite low considering how few Factory DATS there are in circulation.

One thing I remember about the Mondays one is that you get another couple of pics of the woman seen on the inner sleeve, also I think there are more variations of the cherub pics on the Technique one too.

yeah, i have the technique one, opens up to reveal a lot of little pictures of the cherub along the top with plain gold colour at the bottom (a bit like the pass for the gigs at the time)

Got the substance technique and jd substance ones. Dont see many of the jd substance ones either. Senor sultan selling a dat,but cant remember which one?

I was just wondering about whether Substance 1987 on DAT featured the edited 12" versions that appeared on the various CD releases.

According to www.niagara.edu/neworder the DAT version follows the standard CD, with the edited Perfect Kiss, Shellshock and Hurt (I'm ignoring Sub-culture, because that's edited on all versions, isn't it?) but I wondered if this had ever been verified by anyone with a DAT copy and a DAT machine?

It also seems to have 'Cries And Whispers' instead of 'Mesh' (or does it?). Not to mention that tracks 3/4/5 on tape one are in a different order.

i have never seen those NO tapes by this part of the world... and i guess there would be really pricey if there were found anymwhere...

good job! gotta check eBay more often

Substance and Technique. I used to have access to equipment and listened to them quite often in my teens. Now they sit in a box with some other non-playables and I've been scouring garage sales for a cast off machine. Good luck, right? The Tascam DA20 MKII is a bit affordable but I feel really weird buying a specialty machine just for a small crate of tapes I have.

well, if you would have asked first...i'm a Technique fan....i have 2 Technique cds an 1 technique american tape

:)

Andrés wrote: well, if you would have asked first...i'm a Technique fan....i have 2 Technique cds an 1 technique american tape

:)

Digital Audio Tape??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Tape

NOOLigan wrote:

Andrés wrote: well, if you would have asked first...i'm a Technique fan....i have 2 Technique cds an 1 technique american tape

:)

Digital Audio Tape??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Tape

an original tape...but i'm not sure if would be Compact or digital audio tape

Andrés wrote:

NOOLigan wrote:

Andrés wrote: well, if you would have asked first...i'm a Technique fan....i have 2 Technique cds an 1 technique american tape

:)

Digital Audio Tape??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Tape

an original tape...but i'm not sure if would be Compact or digital audio tape

If it is american, I dare say you have a Compact Cassette.

http://216.55.186.26/Music/Release.aspx?ReleaseID=10

Compact cassette: Analogue, 40-16kHz typical Frequency response, about 60-70db Signal-to-Noise ratio (dynamic range). Digital Compact Cassette (DCC): Digital, players compatible with standard compact cassette, used a compression algorhythm simmilar to that used on minidisc, sort of like mp3 but nowhere near as high a compression ratio. It's specs are therefor meaningless. DAT: Digital Audio Tape. read by azimuth head like a VCR, operates at 44.1 or 48KHZ, giving (by Nyquist) 22.05 and 24KHz respecively in terms of Freq response. As it is 16bit, it has a 96db dynamic range, exactly like CD.

thank you doctor.good to know...

In pro terms the "DAT" is often called an RDAT,, R for rotary, referring to the azimuth head (the spinning head gives a HUGE tape-to-head speed without having to wind the tape at $STUPID inchs per second, exactly like a VCR, it writes stripe after stripe transversely across the tape....that's that the tracking's for in a VCR making sure the head is lining up with the prerecorded stripes.)

It's called RDAT to differentiate it from DASH (digital audio, stationary head), the name speaks for itself, but I have never seen a domestic machine using this, precious few pro/semipro ones come to mind....Tascam DA88 maybe, I seem to recall they used thin tapes (Video8, digital8,whatever it was called?) too thin for a spinny roundy thingy surely.

Dunno the specs for 8track carts (tho the cart player we had in the radio station weighed in somewhere between atrocious and "throw me out"). Open reel has no spec as such, it's a machine and tape speed thing entirely. Pro decks record stereo to at least 1/4inch, but up to TWO INCH, at anything from 7.5 to SIXTY inchs per second.

That's like wire recorder speed (Studer, who still make pro tape decks, developed wire recorders in Germany in the 30's for military use. when a tape fouls, you have to pick through it to sort it out, when a wire fouls, they pick through YOU to work out what's what.....hence they never really took off (except in flight data recorders, inside steel cases....fireproof media you see).

See what you get for encouraging me.

NOOLigan wrote:

Andrés wrote:

NOOLigan wrote:

Andrés wrote: well, if you would have asked first...i'm a Technique fan....i have 2 Technique cds an 1 technique american tape

:)

Digital Audio Tape??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Tape

an original tape...but i'm not sure if would be Compact or digital audio tape

If it is american, I dare say you have a Compact Cassette.

http://216.55.186.26/Music/Release.aspx?ReleaseID=10

yep, you're right Ronald

And all that after a full night at work for the Doctor