Recycled confirmed...

that's great. hopefully NO will lose their reputation for being slow with their output of material and thier unreliability in delivering the goods.

at last the BOX SET i have been waiting for.As long as it comes with a 100 page booklet i will be happy.Don't think i will dare play it though. small rocket

Originally posted by Spotnick Bernard himself stated it will be released for Christmas...!

2005, you mean?

Some of us possibly aren't as thrilled to hear of the box set's impending release...

If you own all of the original stuff that's in it, all you get is a few tracks on CD that were previously vinyl or cassette only, a new tune or two, and hopefully some decent artwork. For a lot of spoondoolicks. Plus your collection is devalued.

But we'll buy the damn thing anyway.

I'd rather see a new album.

:\pimp2:

it completely depends whats on it. I'm missing loads of b-sides and stuff from the 80's, and if Recycle can account for this gaping gaps in my collection then I'll be chuffed.

Is it the full singles collection? Are they gonna put demos and live versions on 'em as was originally rumoured? And won't it be worth the money to get "Temptation" (rinky-dink 1982 version) on CD??

Well, won't it?????

We were talking to David Sultan after the gig, and he stated that the band wanted to know what the fans wanted in the Box set. My response was "Perfect Kiss 2002 version".....

Im really excited about the upcoming box set ... And I have to agree with the inclusion of 'The Perfect Kiss 2002' Would definately salivate over that ...

Does anyone have any idea what is going to be on this Box Set? I heard that it was going to be a collection of all the singles a bit like Blur and The Jam did recently. I heard this back in February 1999 and little else since. It's really starting to do my head in as I have only recently replaced all my vynil albums with CDs. What I need now is to replace all my vynil 12"s.

Cheer

K

Originally posted by Sloppy Zidane We were talking to David Sultan after the gig, and he stated that the band wanted to know what the fans wanted in the Box set. My response was "Perfect Kiss 2002 version".....

Lifted directly from the other site

I just came back from a great New Order show in Paris (May 26) and had a pleasant chat with Bernard (Barney) Sumner backstage. He did confirm the release of a New Order box set by Christmas 2002. This box set will contain New Order singles.

Tracklisting is not final and he wants to know what the fans want.

What about releases of just the original version never available on CD ???, Or the addition of demos. Or anything else you can come up with...

I will be in touch with him via the management and will hopefully see him again June 09 in London.

This is a real opportunity for fans like us to express our thoughts on the content.

Email me at david@worldinmotion.net

Originally posted by Keith Hughes Does anyone have any idea what is going to be on this Box Set? I heard that it was going to be a collection of all the singles a bit like Blur and The Jam did recently. I heard this back in February 1999 and little else since. It's really starting to do my head in as I have only recently replaced all my vynil albums with CDs. What I need now is to replace all my vynil 12"s.CheerK

Just checked your profile, which team are you mad about?

I am not too bothered whether they do a box set or not. There doesn't seem to be much stuff that is isn't or hasn't been pretty readily available unless there are some unreleased gems lurking anywhere. I would suspect we would have heard them before now.

However if by going through the back catalogue it gets them to 're-discover' some of the old NO classics, like they have done with JD, which could then be played live I would be well chuffed.

A means to an end indeed...

The box set:

CD1 / CD2: all the singles + b-sides CD3: The rare stuff that no-one has CD4: Live stuff DVD1: Live stuff DVD2: All the promo vids

... and a 100 page colour booklet.

Retails at £39.99

Can they throw a old role of Factory sellotape and the 12 " of New Order Ruler.Then i want that Flicker book,the dog from BM vid and one of those Dental receipts.It would spoil it if they give us the music aswell. Rocket Fac

I'm assuming the box set will have the tracks crammed onto as few discs as possible, but it'd be nice if each single release came on its own disc, with the original vinyl artwork appearing on the CD packaging. I hope they won't forget some of the seven inch versions which are hard to come by ('Thieves Like Us'/'Everything's Gone Green'/'State Of The Nation'/'Bizarre Love Triangle'/'Temptation') and the edited B-sides or dub mixes too. Basically feature for each single:

-7 inch A side -7 inch B side -12 inch A side -12 inch B side -any other remixes from different formats

To save on the plastic, maybe two or three single releases could be fitted onto each disc. It's important to include Peter Saville's original artwork for each single, as that was such an integral part of each release.

It'd also be nice to include the unreleased 'promo' edits of tracks like the original Confusion (featured in the video), and wasn't there an edited version of the original Blue Monday release which the band disapproved of?

Tip: If they get up to as recent as 'Ruined In A Day', I'd forget all about putting those awful Sly and Robbie remixes on there, as all five mixes were virtually identical.

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Originally posted by depthcharge Some of us possibly aren't as thrilled to hear of the box set's impending release...If you own all of the original stuff that's in it, all you get is a few tracks on CD that were previously vinyl or cassette only, a new tune or two, and hopefully some decent artwork. For a lot of spoondoolicks. Plus your collection is devalued.:

Relax, depthy.......

I think there are lotsa genuine collectors out there will pay a lot of spoondoolicks for original release CDs and packaging......

I myself own 5 CDs of Lowlife ( the album that changed my life )...all slightly different....original Fact disc, Centredate disc, Thick postcards/tracing paper cover, Thinner postcards/tracing paper cover, Stapled printed photos cover & Japanese import, all trivial stuff but important to me.......and i havent mention my 3 vinyl copies.......

Also, i doubt those singles released under the Recycled series would replace or be a substitute to those originals you have....in a true fan's eyes......

The Man Morrison's got it spot on: you've gotta have those Saville sleeves. If they insist on cramming all this stuff on a few discs (and I guess they will, 'cos otherwise it'll be so expensive that it'll my Christmas present to myself for the NEXT FUCKING DECADE!) how's about giving us 12" replicas of each sleeve?? Demos'd be nice: quality near-irrelevant given the live bootleg tosh included on "Heart & Soul"; remixes: only if they are new. And not total shite. And live versions would be cool as well. I hope they do listen to us chumps wot buy their records and make a good job of it. "Recycle" is a great title as well: v. New Order, and nicely cynical with it.

You'll be buying this box of delights for your kid this Xmas then, Mick?

Hey I just thought, there's quite a few hard to find remixes spread out over those formats... Don't forget Shep Pettibone's 'True Faith (The Morning Sun Remix - Edit)' which was on some soundtrack album somewhere. Also the original seven inch edit of 'Perfect Kiss' and 'Kiss Of Death', which I think was different to the twelve inch and 'Low-life' versions. There's also an extended remix of 'Paradise' which was on an imported remix 12" of 'true Faith' that I never got around to finding a copy of. If I'm going to be paying a bomb for this boxed set I WANT MY GAPS FILLED IN. (Ooh, er).

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Then of course, there's 'Evil Dust'... This could be a very LARGE boxed set...

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Like Grigori, I'm a little hesitant to get my hopes up about this, but I would like to see it come to pass.

WHAT ABOUT THE Salvation TRACKS? I wanna hear our administrator's theme tune!

Some months ago, someone else on this forum - can't recall whom - posted an excellent breakdown of ALL THE SINGLES as repackaged in MINIATURE CD SLEEVE VERSIONS of the 12" covers, and each CD contained all the relevant tracks - 12 and 7-inch versions and B-sides - across all the various original formats.... surely this would be the very concept of this elusive box set as preferred by all the completists amongst us?? Not another fooking cursorily pointless collection across a few full-length CDs including a selection (rather than the FULL Complement) of b-sides or unreleased / import / one-off remixes.... plus the obligatory DVD of videos thrown in for good measure.... who else thinks this should be the case???

Too many opportunities have been pissed down the river over the years.....and then when something DOES happen, it's usually a half-arsed unfulfilled compromise gesture which reeks of cop-out big time......that simply isn't good enough.... GET IT RIGHT!! GET IT RIGHT!!! Are you listening London Records/WEA, you stupid clueless fookers???

Yup, Righteous Marty Gray hits the proverbial nail on the head: if its not the full monty, there ain't no point. These things are only ever for the obsessives/trainspotters/completists/dipsomaniacs anyway, so give us what we want.

Purrrrrrrrr-lease.

Leave me out of the frame Martin. Rocket Stash

Originally posted by Oh Shite! There Goes The Paranoid Android Again!! Some months ago, someone else on this forum - can't recall whom - posted an excellent breakdown of ALL THE SINGLES as repackaged in MINIATURE CD SLEEVE VERSIONS of the 12" covers, and each CD contained all the relevant tracks - 12 and 7-inch versions and B-sides - across all the various original formats....

Aye...That was me, Martian me ole mucker!!! :D And to recap - that's the way a fair few of us would like it too, obviously!

http://www.nme.com/news/101892.htm

Major - what did i tell you about believing anything the fooking NME write....? It does, after all, say "planning to release" rather than "definitely, unfailingly, genuinely release"... You got to remember they wrote the same thing in 1998, then 1999. Those same immortal words..."New Order are planning to release..." By "planning to" surely you must know that it usually involves several abortive attempts at getting Peter fooking Saville off his big fat yuppie arse to come up with half-a-concept for the outer packaging - even IF hypothetically the box set does comprise the miniaturised 12" sleeve covers that I and a few others suggested so hopefully here!

So, fook the NME...what do they know about anything these days, unless it's involving overhyped jumped up little scuzzy guitar rockers and bad hair....just to satiate their desperately elitist "cool-factor"-dependent egos?

too bad the nme didn't admit they stole their information from this (or WIM) site. sleazy, shite for brains moron's.

Originally posted by Spotnick Ah well, I've been mailed, it seems that "the other site" confirmed my information about Recycled being released later this year!Bernard himself stated it will be released for Christmas...!So you see that my source was reliable :DP/S: It's also written that they will start recording new songs in October and that there will be no more single from Get Ready, are those songs for the box set or not, that information is not known!

Sweet!:D It is about Damn time!

Originally posted by Andrew Morrison Then of course, there's 'Evil Dust'... This could be a very LARGE boxed set... ]

Hey, anyone wanting Evil Dust can actually get it on those various artistes compilation CDs...tons of it with Evil Dust on...namely, INDUSTRIAL HAZARD, INDUSTRIAL ALTERNATIVES, ETC....

Aussies, take note....I got Evil Dust on a $9.95 compilation CD called MACHINES & NOISE...features The Shamen, Skinny Puppy, Chris & Cosey, etc... as well....and the CD cover is great looking too. ( very Bauhaus kinda photo...)

After much contemplation can NEW ORDER put this RECYCLE stuff in a very large ,awkward size box and only sell it at WOOLWORTHS.I got barred way back in the 80s for destroying all their tape displays when those lovely Cassette thingies came out.Never did buy one after that. Cheers Rocket Virgin Records Mick

Also include that quiet B-side of the GERMAN PROMO 7 inch of Confusion.Its so excellent i cry every time i play. Rocket buying a new stylus Mick

Is there any way in which the Order can release this on any other label than London 'we fcuk everything we touch up' records?. Surely they've fulfilled their contracts with the clueless losers by now? Otherwise expect something as bland as all the singles with a new 'exclusive' trance by numbers remix or the like

Brother has just reminded me that Depeche Mode put out their singles over THREE chronologically-ordered boxes, each retailing at around £30. They looked like large fag packets. Cocteaus did the same thing (just one fag packet this time) when they ditched 4AD (or is that t'other way round?).

So perhaps we're looking at a series of FAC packets. Boom-Boom.

You know, Martin, there really isn't any reason whatsoever why this approach (the ONLY one IMHO) shouldn't be the one to go for. The big snag of course is the stunning lack of any foresight or imagination [or just plain common sense] on the bastard record companies part. And THAT is obviously going to make all the difference between the fans getting the box set of singles that they should deserve and being fobbed off and shortchanged by some pathetic half-arsed "will this do?" measure.... and I've a horrible sneaking suspicion which option they will, as ever, settle for....all in the name of economy of course...

SPOTNICK you have done your homework on this subject.It is such a BIG AMOUNT of records to release and no matter what they fetch out they will be some like myself that will still not quite be satisfied.If you ark back to the early days a lot of us wanted ALL FACTORY records and the pointless memorabilia that rumour had it existed.Still i agree that this as to be well thought out.BOWIE had a brilliant collection released as a "SOUND AND VISION" boxset and booklet.The PET SHOP BOYS tried hard with the alternate CDS of almost every album.I am sure that someone though could do a far better job than either of these.Just a note though if there is anything you want on CD or minidisc that you can think of i would willingly help you out.Just a thought..... HAVE A NICE DAY. ROCKET MICK

I was just going to mention those PSB re-releases..something similar to this in one box would be decent.

Anyway, a short snippet from the music pages at Teletext informs me that the bands PR say's that it will possibly be released in NOvember, thought the box-set is still not definitely going ahead yet. The PR also didn't know what was planned to go on it. The journalist here's on pretty good terms with the PR so it's a bit more than rumour.

Mind you, we knew all that info already anyway didnt we?

I would be more interested in a compilation of live shows and rare, hard to find demos and the like than a by-the-hits-retrospective, though that would have to factor into it. I guess something where they leave the remixes behind in favor of the original versions, as well as a comprehensive overview of their history up until now. For a live disc (or two), it would be great to have them go back to the earliest gig with a recording of it, and to maybe feature 2 or 3 standout performances, 3 to 6 songs each depending on the sound quality. Also, two cds of the original singles (paired with their respective b-sides) would satisfy me, with maybe a disc or two left over for some album tracks that don't normally get included on 'best ofs'. Would that be unreasonable?

It seems as you look through the back catalogue, or online stores, most of the recent New Order material (Republic/Get Ready/The Best Of) is still fairly easy to obtain on CD. I think most of us die-hard fans already have umpteen CD singles with the various (and mostly pointless) dance remixes of recent stuff anyway. At last count, I had somethign like 101 New Order single releases of various formats! I think the main things most of us are after is the stuff which only came out on vinyl, in particular the very early seven inch and twelve inch mixes (not the ones that were chopped for Substance). I would get bored to tedium hear the 90 minutes' worth of Crystal remixes all over again as part of a boxed set when I've already got 'em last year on CD. I'd sooner get onto CD tracks like the New Order mix of Vicious Circle which is currently only available on cassette. I'd forgive 'em if they don't include every last dance remix of the recent stuff.

What would be more worthwhile would be to get original or demo versions of some of the tunes, or tracks such as the edited single version of 'Vanishing Point' which nearly got released in 1994 until 'True Faith-94' took its place.

Incidentally, has anyone noticed that the UK 12" of 'Here To Stay' has a different version of 'Crystal' on there, which "rocks out" a bit more at the end. Wonder if that's the original version?

I tracked down that American Reprise '20 Years of New Order' album, and it has a different (and presumably earlier) version of '60 Miles An Hour' on. It's a bit more stripped down, with lots of stops and starts in the production, but I kind of like it more than the album version as it has a "rawer" edge to it, with a more experimental feel. Well worth getting hold of.

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Will they be able to include the following adverts from the "WESTWOOD ONE RADIO NETWORKS" TROJAN CONDOM PSA Snickers Sweeps U.S. ARMY ROCKET GETTING RIPPED OFF PAYING £40 IN 1992 MICK

skip the remixes, if i were to buy the box set, i would just want the unreleased and hard to find ORIGINAL tracks.

To make the Recycle project more profitable for the record company, why don't they follow Mute's example with the Depeche Mode reissued singles, and make each individual single available seperately (while remaining chart ineligable, of course) at the price of a normal CD single, then sell one or two boxed sets including them all at a lower price per unit. That way us die-harders get the whole lot, and casual fans can obtain their favourite New Order singles without having to fork out tons of dosh. Gotta be worth it if they're going to all the trouble of remastering/repackaging the whole back catalogue anyway surely?

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I've been REALLY bored this afternoon, getting used to my four month break from university, and am working on a draft track listing for this infamous box set... Bear with me...

Andrew

It's done. It's a great concept, and I KNOW it's very, very sad, but if anyone wants to rad what I reckon would be the definitive tracklisting for 'Recycled' (especially any London Record execs reading) go to the link below to download or view the Word document which lists something like 191 tracks which could make up a nice 18 CD set.

Even though it'd be nice to have each single release on one CD, I think it would be wasteful of resources, and also more expensive for us lot to buy, so I've combined some singles onto one disc in some cases, where the number of tracks allows. Obviously, as time goes on, New Order had a larger amount of remixes, so it's only really the first few singles that are "shared" on one disc anyway.

There's still a few spare 20-30 minutes at the end of some discs, so i'd like to hear anyone's suggestions as to what to fit on there, whether live outtakes ('Electronic Ecstasy' or '316', anyone?), or perhaps there's some decent remixes or edits which I've missed out.

I think an 18 disc set would be just about right (it weighs in at about 18 hours by my reckoning) - and I'd insist that all the original artwork images from the singles feature in one way or another on the packaging. I also think the final disc idea is a winner too, if they can get hold of the BBC master tapes for the recent sessions. Note the inclusion of the 'Salvation' movie tracks on the 'Touched By the Hand Of God' disc also.

The way the tracks fell into place allowed me to include all of those God-awful Sly and Robbie remixes of 'Ruined', but love 'em or hate 'em, at least it'll please completists!

Not all the mixes of every song are included, but anything not easily obtainable on CD has been bunged on there somewhere. Maybe I should do this for a living...

You can read my 'fantasy tracklist' at http://www.morriso.btinternet.co.uk/RecycleSuggestion.doc

Now I'm off to get some fresh air, and go and play for a bit.........

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