Thoughts about World In Motion?

A bit of a strange move in the band's history. After seeing the video, I thought it was a bit tacky. The song is catchy and enjoyable, but it's just kind of bizarre the circumstances - being the English Soccer Anthem and the lyrics are about soccer..I dunno what to really think of it.

J

oh no

No Holiday wrote: A bit of a strange move in the band's history. After seeing the video, I thought it was a bit tacky. The song is catchy and enjoyable, but it's just kind of bizarre the circumstances - being the English Soccer Anthem and the lyrics are about soccer..I dunno what to really think of it.

J

FFS! Its just something you'll never understand unless you are British and into football.. At the time it was the coolest thing in the world; it made English football anthems cool again. Bands now compete for the honour of doing the football song, and only one has since come close, and they were only a band plus a couple of comedians.

Lets just say its New Order, but its not New Order. But its football, deffo.

As for strange move... well it was a popular and natural move at the time, and made the band excessively cool. Any regular goer of big NO gigs in giant venues at the time, understood the footie game style atmosphere and chanting.

Unless you're a proper footie fan you just won't understand.

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: I loved it...and I wasn't even English...nor much of a footie fan back then...

yes Jeff.. i reckon you just identified with the lyrics 'theres only one way to beat them, get round the back'

It is pretty damn funny/absurd just to think back to Joy Division and Factory, and ten years later they have a silly football pop anthem going to number one... you have to at least appreciate that

the remixes are a lot more listenable thou

pumped full of drugs wrote: It is pretty damn funny/absurd just to think back to Joy Division and Factory, and ten years later they have a silly football pop anthem going to number one... you have to at least appreciate that

the remixes are a lot more listenable thou

Well its not, and wasnt at all over here. As i said, different world. At the time it was extremely cool. 'Silly' it was not. AND it held Elton and Luciano Pavarotti off the Number One spot for a week.

And hell we nearly won the competition

I always had a fondness for this single because it was released about the time of the birth of my first child. Hope and promise of a better tomorrow.

And hell we nearly won the competition

Yeah, dream on....it's never gonna happen unless you get another dodgy Russian linesman and a crooked crossbar.

Song itself is alright for a footie song but crap as a NO tune. For a real class footie-related tune, check out the 'Official Colourbox World Cup Theme'.

Burt Reynolds wrote:

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: I loved it...and I wasn't even English...nor much of a footie fan back then...

yes Jeff.. i reckon you just identified with the lyrics 'theres only one way to beat them, get round the back'

Well, Saville did say that it was the first time that New Order "came out of the closet as individuals".

World in Motion, to me, seems a bit like a publicity stunt. The song's pretty good, until the soccer team actually start singing along too. One of the only New Order songs I skip over.

Burt Reynolds wrote:

FFS! Its just something you'll never understand unless you are British and into football...

As Ally has just demonstrated, that should read 'English' and into football.

Apart from that, you called it spot on there.

It was the coolest thing to happen to English football ever. It also happened in the middle of the coolest time to be English and in particular to be a Mancunian.

English football wasn't half as embarrassing as it is now, either.

Definitely the best EnglandNewOrder song. I actually genuinely love it. Words, piano, surging keyboards during the fade-out, the rap. Funnily enough, the last time I was majorly into football was Italia '90.

Jamie Fairlie wrote:

And hell we nearly won the competition

Yeah, dream on....it's never gonna happen unless you get another dodgy Russian linesman and a crooked crossbar.

At least we usually qualify these days!

fookit it's oldmonkey again wrote:

Jamie Fairlie wrote:

And hell we nearly won the competition

Yeah, dream on....it's never gonna happen unless you get another dodgy Russian linesman and a crooked crossbar.

At least we usually qualify these days!

Yup. If there was a trophy for just qualifying you guys would be laughing.

And if there was a trophy for qualifying, actually believing that you've got a cat's chance of winning it and then being shown up as the third-rate footballing nation you are by getting f**ed out in the Quarter Finals (again) you guys would have been given the trophy to keep by now.

I like it, however i do prefer Three Lions....

Funny my three favourite bands have all done England songs:

New Order - World in Motion Lightning Seeds - Three Lions Echo and the Bunnymen - (can't remeber what it was called, but it was woth OCS and the Spice Girls )

GlasVegas wrote:

fookit it's oldmonkey again wrote:

Jamie Fairlie wrote:

And hell we nearly won the competition

Yeah, dream on....it's never gonna happen unless you get another dodgy Russian linesman and a crooked crossbar.

At least we usually qualify these days!

Yup. If there was a trophy for just qualifying you guys would be laughing.

And if there was a trophy for qualifying, actually believing that you've got a cat's chance of winning it and then being shown up as the third-rate footballing nation you are by getting f**ed out in the Quarter Finals (again) you guys would have been given the trophy to keep by now.

It's a great song, unless you're a jock... :p

ally wrote:

Nick King wrote: It's a great song, unless you're a jock... :p

Or Shug, it's easy to get the two mixed up ;)

Oh, btw, it's "football", not "soccer"! :p

GlasVegas wrote:

fookit it's oldmonkey again wrote:

Jamie Fairlie wrote:

And hell we nearly won the competition

Yeah, dream on....it's never gonna happen unless you get another dodgy Russian linesman and a crooked crossbar.

At least we usually qualify these days!

Yup. If there was a trophy for just qualifying you guys would be laughing.

And if there was a trophy for qualifying, actually believing that you've got a cat's chance of winning it and then being shown up as the third-rate footballing nation you are by getting f**ed out in the Quarter Finals (again) you guys would have been given the trophy to keep by now.

I think it's only the media that actually believe it will be different next time, or the muppets who buy into the patriotism shite. Reality is that there is very little chance of success, only very few will ever admit this!

fookit it's oldmonkey again wrote:

GlasVegas wrote:

fookit it's oldmonkey again wrote:

Jamie Fairlie wrote:

And hell we nearly won the competition

Yeah, dream on....it's never gonna happen unless you get another dodgy Russian linesman and a crooked crossbar.

At least we usually qualify these days!

Yup. If there was a trophy for just qualifying you guys would be laughing.

And if there was a trophy for qualifying, actually believing that you've got a cat's chance of winning it and then being shown up as the third-rate footballing nation you are by getting f**ed out in the Quarter Finals (again) you guys would have been given the trophy to keep by now.

I think it's only the media that actually believe it will be different next time, or the muppets who buy into the patriotism shite. Reality is that there is very little chance of success, only very few will ever admit this!

Aherm.....

I seem to recall you fretting last year that the Liverpool Summer Pops gig was the night before the World Cup Final and speculating about how difficult transport home would be the next day if Eng-ger-land made it.

If, not when!

Those twats are so likely to fuck things up they would have got there if I hadn't organised the trains and left things to chance!

Spotnick wrote: It's a shit website

just kidding ;)

DUST FREE ATMOSPHERE aswell!

Spotnick wrote: It's a shit website

Great post, Nic.

Super Ally wrote:

GlasVegas wrote:

fookit it's oldmonkey again wrote:

Jamie Fairlie wrote:

And hell we nearly won the competition

Yeah, dream on....it's never gonna happen unless you get another dodgy Russian linesman and a crooked crossbar.

At least we usually qualify these days!

Yup. If there was a trophy for just qualifying you guys would be laughing.

And if there was a trophy for qualifying, actually believing that you've got a cat's chance of winning it and then being shown up as the third-rate footballing nation you are by getting f**ed out in the Quarter Finals (again) you guys would have been given the trophy to keep by now.

just to interrupt the post whoring from the scotch people here, & as someone who genuinely doesn't care how the engerlish footy team gets on (prefer rugby & we're the current world champions at that) was reading stuart macconies book cider with roadies & he says he can be seen in the video for this - anyone spot him?

my better half says that new order doing this made her completely change her opinion of the band, lets just say they wouldn't appear on the sub zero section of the top gear board any more in her eyes

The best was seeing Bernard in an Elvis suit at the end!

Bruuuue Mundaaee wrote: The best was seeing Bernard in an Elvis suit at the end!

That was NICK KING

ROCKET MICK wrote:

Bruuuue Mundaaee wrote: The best was seeing Bernard in an Elvis suit at the end!

That was NICK KING

Do you think they might have done it to piss people off? I always kind of pictured it as a middle finger to the goth/indie/punk kids.

A sunny, patriotic, sporty dance-pop song - what could possibly piss them off more?? it was so Un-Punk that it was more Punk then anything - if that makes sense.

lol...what are you talking about? It's a brilliant sociological insight. You must be a punk or goth or something to get that offended...

FtotheDoubleOff wrote: Do you think they might have done it to piss people off? I always kind of pictured it as a middle finger to the goth/indie/punk kids.

A sunny, patriotic, sporty dance-pop song - what could possibly piss them off more?? it was so Un-Punk that it was more Punk then anything - if that makes sense.

It was done to make money.

Plain and simple.

Spotnick wrote: It's a shit website

a shit website that inspired nool

i'm just kidding too... :D

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: No, I'm not a punk, nor am I a goth.

No need to lie Jeff. I saw you on channel 7 news decribing how emotionally distraught you were when you received the news about Lindsay Lohan

great choon.

best of its kind.

end of.

Jaffari, I just said it was brilliant because I knew it would piss you off. You can't be serious! Are you always like this?

It reminds me of the glorious hot summer of 1990, huge Joe Bloggs flares and dancing drunkenly with fat sweaty women outside pubs after England games.

This is a good thing, NATCH.

who ever bought Joe Bloggs?

I liked the video.

Jamie Fairlie wrote:

And hell we nearly won the competition

Yeah, dream on....it's never gonna happen unless you get another dodgy Russian linesman and a crooked crossbar.

Song itself is alright for a footie song but crap as a NO tune. For a real class footie-related tune, check out the 'Official Colourbox World Cup Theme'.

He wasnt Russian. Its a mis-conception. Hes Ukranian (I think(.

leather_girl wrote: I liked the video.

Me an'all. I get all nostalgic when I see the vid

Up there with the best footy songs. Probably the height of their popularity. I remember, a little while back, being at a reunion from my old job and one of my mates asked the DJ to play New Order for me, cos she knows what i'm like. Normally the reply you get in Newcastle is that they've got no New Order but can play Kylie 'Can't Get You Out of My Head'.

Anyway, he stuck on WIM and dedicated it to me. I was mortified but most peeps were loving it.

NO Regret wrote:

Jamie Fairlie wrote:

And hell we nearly won the competition

Yeah, dream on....it's never gonna happen unless you get another dodgy Russian linesman and a crooked crossbar.

Song itself is alright for a footie song but crap as a NO tune. For a real class footie-related tune, check out the 'Official Colourbox World Cup Theme'.

He wasnt Russian. Its a mis-conception. Hes Ukranian (I think(.

Tofik Bakhramov from Azerbaijan

Look, the Punk sensibility is not a style of music but doing exactly what you want and not caring what other people think.

They did WIM knowing it would alienate some of thier older fans but they did it anyway because it was what THEY wanted to do. So, yeah, it's not outrageous to say it was a Punk sensibility that led to WIM. "True Punks do dance music" - obviously the band doesn't think that's incredibly dumb because they printed it right in their own album.

So what, exactly, is just so dumb about that?

Maybe you're just having a bad week or something, I dont know - but I can say without any exaggeration I've never seen anybody online get so riled up about something so trivial. Either way, I'm not wasting any more time arguing about a freaking pop song from 17 years ago, FFS...

Just come on FHM Top 50 Britons at number 13, instant toetapper & head nodder, quality choon

Its quite simply my favourite New Order football song. Its euphoric and is matched by the brilliance of the England team in that Italia 90.

If Waddles shot hadnt hit the post in extra time, we would have done the Krauts and Arggies.

Having just got back from Rome, had it stuck in my head for the past four days, owing to seeing the Carabinieri evry 10 minutes (on the streets, I hasten to add, it wasn't that sort of holiday!) It's not their best, but by no means their worst, and as a snapshot in time brings back good memories... And it's also NO at their POP! best, any band who can write a footy anthem that good and still retain a degree of coolness mus be pretty special...

Snorri xxx

a great pop song..captured a great summer... and them doing it live at the reading festival was great to..

hibster wrote: just to interrupt the post whoring from the scotch people here,

ShugZV wrote:

ally wrote:

ShugZV wrote:

gazman wrote:

Super Ally wrote:

GlasVegas wrote:

fookit it's oldmonkey again wrote:

Jamie Fairlie wrote:

And hell we nearly won the competition

Yeah, dream on....it's never gonna happen unless you get another dodgy Russian linesman and a crooked crossbar.

At least we usually qualify these days!

Yup. If there was a trophy for just qualifying you guys would be laughing.

And if there was a trophy for qualifying, actually believing that you've got a cat's chance of winning it and then being shown up as the third-rate footballing nation you are by getting f**ed out in the Quarter Finals (again) you guys would have been given the trophy to keep by now.

I repeat...

MIMX wrote:

Worst NO, track beyond a shadow of a doubt:- "World In Motion" (even if your unlucky enough to have been born south of the border, John Barnes [the Jamaican Englishman] "Raps" on it fer fuck's sake)!

MIMX wrote:

NO Regret wrote: World In Motion...blah,blah,blah...The fact that New Order agreed also amazes me...blah,blah,blah...will mean its always gonna be special to me. Does anyone else support this?

NO! They do not.

MIMX wrote:

NO Regret wrote: Well being from Scotland Id expect no less from you MINX. World Cup's and Scotland are like oil and water. They just dont mix well.:D

Scotland have played at eight World Cup Finals — including 5 consecutive tournaments from 1974 to 1990. They have missed out on progressing to the second round three times on goal difference: in 1974, when Brazil edged them out; in 1978, when the Netherlands progressed; and in 1982, when the USSR went through. Despite playing at eight finals tournaments they have actually qualified on nine occasions but the SFA declined to participate in 1950. Not too bad at all for a country with a population of circa 5 million, hardly, oil and water, more like whisky (a quality single malt) and water!

England on the other hand with their population of nearly 60 million have only managed to qualify 12 times, a mere 3 times more than the Scots despite their huge population advantage!More a mix of cheap gin and water (gin being of course the Dutch national drink, before the English nicked it from them).

And in Euro 2008, while Scotland were beating the world cup holders France: all England could manage against the lowly Moldavia was a miserable draw! So nar-nar-nee-na- nar! :)

Italia 90

2005 & 2007

Need I go on?

MIMX wrote: 2005 & 2007

Need I go on?

Not sure about going on, but you need to go back and fix your duff link for 2005

And the Denmark game was a friendly. Who gives a fuck about a game with 20 subs

MIMX wrote:

ShugZV wrote:

ally wrote:

ShugZV wrote:

gazman wrote:

Super Ally wrote:

GlasVegas wrote:

fookit it's oldmonkey again wrote:

ally wrote:

NO Regret wrote: If Waddles shot hadnt hit the post in extra time, we would have done the Krauts and Arggies.

If me Uncle had tits he'd be me Auntie.

He doesn't have any balls?????

Leggy D wrote:

Not sure about going on, but you need to go back and fix your duff link for 2005 And the Denmark game was a friendly. Who gives a fuck about a game with 20 subs

Once again poor excuses mate ( & baith ra links ir working fine)!

but here you go new look wembley & Wembley Wizards & redecorating wembley: 1977

bit I'll lea' ya way two wurds: Jim Baxter!

An' ma final wurd own this threed; this wee ditty's better than "shite in motion" I Have A Dream!

Ronaldo celebrates the winning penalty, and England are going home.

Where will it end? Where will it end?

Holland 6 Scotland 0

WIM ain't absolutely not one of my NO favourites... It's something i 'd compare to an exercise ... Of course the song is popular, even if u're not an english football 'fan. C'est entrainant, ok but very far from what i like the most in NO material . It's danceable, alright - i really don't like when the ex-football hero sings...Really not - the end is an hymn, if u want, but my favourite NO /JD'hymn has another name : it's called CEREMONY. With a deep impact 4ever.

EVERY time i peeled the PRICE TAG of £2=99p off THE REMIXES IN MOTION-GOLD COVER..........some of the Gold coloured ink came OFF.I had to go into therapy for about six months after this little episode!If only this WASN't TRUE.I eventually asked the guy in MALCOLM's MUSICLAND Chorley NOT to price ANY NEW ORDER Singles until i had first divvy at them.He BARRED me from the shop.Never shoplifted again there!

MIMX wrote:

bit I'll lea' ya way two wurds: Jim Baxter!

Why waste two words when one'll do...

Culloden

:p

Johnny wrote: Holland 6 Scotland 0

Still bone picking?

Leggy D wrote:

Why waste two words when one'll do... Culloden :p

Surely you meant Bannockburn!

MIMX wrote:

Leggy D wrote:

Why waste two words when one'll do... Culloden :p

Surely you meant Bannockburn!

1314 The last time the Scots won anything

Leggy D wrote:

MIMX wrote:

Leggy D wrote:

Why waste two words when one'll do... Culloden :p

Surely you meant Bannockburn!

1314 The last time the Scots won anything

Funny, was sure we bet Austria a day or two ago!

...and here's the very thing for listening to WIM on...

ally wrote:

ShugZV wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

MIMX wrote:

ShugZV wrote:

ally wrote:

ShugZV wrote:

gazman wrote:

Super Ally wrote:

GlasVegas wrote:

fookit it's oldmonkey again wrote:

Nick King wrote: It's a great song, unless you're a jock... :p

i love it

The best mix is the Subbuteo mix "Call the Carabinieri!" sounds like Shaun Ryder.

Isn't there an alternative take with Peter Beardsley rappin?

pure_shaw wrote: The best mix is the Subbuteo mix "Call the Carabinieri!" sounds like Shaun Ryder.

Isn't there an alternative take with Peter Beardsley rappin?

Yeah I read that Barney had some tapes tucked away with Waddle, Gazza, Walker and Beardsley all doing the rap. Barnes one outshone them all (not surprising as 3 were Geordies).

ally wrote:

NO Regret wrote: If Waddles shot hadnt hit the post in extra time, we would have done the Krauts and Arggies.

If me Uncle had tits he'd be me Auntie.

Is that the Scottish inbreads sense of humour?

Good luck to Scotland on Wednesday

I'm sure everything will be fine if you just forget about the last visit to the Faroe Islands...

5 Jun 1999

Fond memories of the No Alla Violenza mix packing the dancefloor as the last song one Saturday night at The Hacienda just before the 1990 World Cup.What a great moment that was .CALL THE CARABINIERI!!

(OOps , careful , i'm turning into Blunderer)

ShugZV wrote:

Come on Estonia.

You lot only won over there 'cos they didn't turn up for the kick off

"One team in Tallinn, there's only one team in Tallinn"

Great chant from the travelling tartan army

2002

2005

2006

2007

Leggy D wrote:

ShugZV wrote:

Come on Estonia.

You lot only won over there 'cos they didn't turn up for the kick off

"One team in Tallinn, there's only one team in Tallinn"

Great chant from the travelling tartan army

Only we didn't win it! Johansson, the then Swedish head of UEFA changed the rules and we had to play the game on neutral ground. Strange how Sweden were in our group...?! The 3-0 bye rule was subsequently re-inststated not long after...!

El Jarvo wrote:

MIMX wrote: bit I'll lea' ya way two wurds: Jim Baxter!

Two words?!

Teófilo Cubillas

i remember that match well.

Ally's army were gonna win the world cup. just a matter of getting past Iran and Peru first.

is that the biggest number 22 ever seen, on Kenny Burns' back?

who the f is number 13?

a Mongol?

King John Honest John wrote:

who the f is number 13?

John Wark, Ipswich Town/Liverpool player, and international film star, who along with Sly Stallone and Pele & Co starred in "Escape To Victory".

I'd have defo known if it was Warky.

ShugZV wrote:

MIMX wrote:

King John Honest John wrote:

who the f is number 13?

John Wark, Ipswich Town/Liverpool player, and international film star, who along with Sly Stallone and Pele & Co starred in "Escape To Victory".

John Wark wasnae included in the '78 squad.

Number 13 is Stuart Kennedy who used to play for Aberdeen

Aweright! Gie's a break, it's a shit photie an' A'm still tryin' tay forget '78.

An' who the fucks' this "Stuart Kennedy"? An' who ir Aberdeen?

Awe, it's aweright A'm ony kidding...

sheepshaggers

Rearrange these words and names into a well known sporting moment;

nutmegs,Dalglish,Clemence,goalkeeper,Ingurland

gazman wrote: Rearrange these words and names into a well known sporting moment;

nutmegs,Dalglish,Clemence,goalkeeper,Ingurland

You took your time finding the thread, Gaz

It'll be worth posting a You Tube for that if you can.

(Leggy... Sassanach who worships at the altar of King Kenny)

Leggy D wrote:

gazman wrote: Rearrange these words and names into a well known sporting moment;

nutmegs,Dalglish,Clemence,goalkeeper,Ingurland

You took your time finding the thread, Gaz

It'll be worth posting a You Tube for that if you can.

(Leggy... Sassanach who worships at the altar of King Kenny)

I forgot all about it Dave

looked for it on You tube, couldnt find it,what year was it again

1978 Don't know what's best, the goal or the song.

I'm fucked on You tube.

can someone please post king kenny's goal against Belgium for Scotland and his goal in the Derby at Goodison in 1985.

Yer right Shug, it was '76.

Here's King Kenny's goal against Everton John. I'll try and find the Belgium goal.

User doesn't allow embedding though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KN0_mFNmBA

This one's better John.

thanks John and Paul. much appeciated.

Fantastic!!

hey Paul.

did you see Cocky on the front page of the Echo last night? How the fuck did he get out?

King John Honest John wrote: thanks John and Paul. much appeciated.

Fantastic!!

hey Paul.

did you see Cocky on the front page of the Echo last night? How the fuck did he get out?

I know. Killed a man inside didn't he and still gets out. Apparently returning to Merseyside for a "quiet life". Yeah right. Always thought his Dad was the real mastermind though.

PHD wrote:

King John Honest John wrote: thanks John and Paul. much appeciated.

Fantastic!!

hey Paul.

did you see Cocky on the front page of the Echo last night? How the fuck did he get out?

I know. Killed a man inside didn't he and still gets out. Apparently returning to Merseyside for a "quiet life". Yeah right. Always thought his Dad was the real mastermind though.

Is this a scouse convo? or can anyone join in

John Sludden wrote: 1978 Don't know what's best, the goal or the song.

John,

Kenny Dalglish,Kenny Dalglish....

gazman wrote:

PHD wrote:

King John Honest John wrote: thanks John and Paul. much appeciated.

Fantastic!!

hey Paul.

did you see Cocky on the front page of the Echo last night? How the fuck did he get out?

I know. Killed a man inside didn't he and still gets out. Apparently returning to Merseyside for a "quiet life". Yeah right. Always thought his Dad was the real mastermind though.

Is this a scouse convo? or can anyone join in

Curtis Warren. One of Europes biggest drug barons is out of jail in Holland. now back in Liverpool. He once made the sunday times rich list- err...for property stocks. Shit...I still owe him a tenner.

He wont keep quiet for long.

OK, it seems this thread is misused now for BCD-Topics.

So, just a few words about the Real Topic:

Remember all those Nazi-Accusations at the start of JD and NO? And then we've got a record published as ENGLAND/NEWORDER,he?

King John Honest John wrote:

gazman wrote:

PHD wrote:

King John Honest John wrote: thanks John and Paul. much appeciated.

Fantastic!!

hey Paul.

did you see Cocky on the front page of the Echo last night? How the fuck did he get out?

I know. Killed a man inside didn't he and still gets out. Apparently returning to Merseyside for a "quiet life". Yeah right. Always thought his Dad was the real mastermind though.

Is this a scouse convo? or can anyone join in

Curtis Warren. One of Europes biggest drug barons is out of jail in Holland. now back in Liverpool. He once made the sunday times rich list- err...for property stocks. Shit...I still owe him a tenner.

http://gangstersinc.tripod.com/CurtisWarren.html

Id pay him that tenner if i was you John

No Holiday wrote: A bit of a strange move in the band's history. After seeing the video, I thought it was a bit tacky. The song is catchy and enjoyable, but it's just kind of bizarre the circumstances - being the English Soccer Anthem and the lyrics are about soccer..I dunno what to really think of it.

J

Sorry for the late reply. I just read the thread now. Anyway...

I love the song! The 2002 single sleeve has been my wallpaper in my PC and mobile for the longest time! Why? It covers two of my passions, New Order and football!

The English noolers here are right. You have to love football (or what you call soccer) to understand how much that song means to the country.

I love football, eventhough I came from a country wherein football is not popular. So whenever international competitions are out, like the world cup, euro qualifiers, etc., as an "outside" fan (my country is one of the worst in terms of international football), my love for this song and of course for New Order, I always cheer for England. Even though I know there are nations who are stronger than England, and more popular superstars (my favorite football players are R. Carlos of Brazil-Madrid and A. Shevy of Ukraine-Chelsea formerly of Milan). Whenever England is up against these countries/clubs, thanks to the song and of course, the artist, I always cheer for England, and... the English Premier League as well.

About calling it a strange move, I call it a brilliant and lucky one. You have to understand that even the band loves the sport.

"We're singing for England... We're playing this song..."

And everytime I watch England in international competitions, win or lose, I normally play the song after watching England perform. There's something magical about this song.

And lastly, about the music video (the original 1990). In my opinion, its not that bad nor good as well. I don't know. I think it would be better if they just showed goals, goals, goals, and nothing but goals of England. Not the band singing with the players. It's just my opinion.

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!

Indeed!

gazman wrote:

King John Honest John wrote:

gazman wrote:

PHD wrote:

King John Honest John wrote: thanks John and Paul. much appeciated.

Fantastic!!

hey Paul.

did you see Cocky on the front page of the Echo last night? How the fuck did he get out?

I know. Killed a man inside didn't he and still gets out. Apparently returning to Merseyside for a "quiet life". Yeah right. Always thought his Dad was the real mastermind though.

Is this a scouse convo? or can anyone join in

Curtis Warren. One of Europes biggest drug barons is out of jail in Holland. now back in Liverpool. He once made the sunday times rich list- err...for property stocks. Shit...I still owe him a tenner.

http://gangstersinc.tripod.com/CurtisWarren.html

Id pay him that tenner if i was you John

good read that link. he's lives about 10 minutes away from my house. for now...anyway.

:(