So New Order may probably be dead. Countless current bands have cited their influence. But which bands should be nominated as heir apparents?
(I vote for M83.)
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IMO,without being biased,I don't believe there is anyone.Most of the bands around at the moment,& some of them I like very much,carry far too much of an influence in their sound to be innovative or original.Plus,they explode on the 'scene' with a fanfare of being this & that,deliver one 'killer' album,& that seems to sum up their worth,no further idea.Most of the bands from the '80's seemed to evolve &/or improve as they aged & had longevity,tho' I admit that in this present day of a fickle industry,it is a bit harder to cement that same foothold,it's too disposable.Who really can go from Blue Monday to AOC,from Dreams Never End to EGG,from Broken Promise to BLT,rock to dance,guitar to sequencer, so effortlessly,while still retaining what it is unmistakeably the same band? 
Ok,I'm fookin' biased! :D 
No-one. New Order are too unique, thats what makes them as good as they are. Maybe some other band might try, but they'll never come close.
kel wrote: IMO,without being biased,I don't believe there is anyone.Most of the bands around at the moment,& some of them I like very much,carry far too much of an influence in their sound to be innovative or original.Plus,they explode on the 'scene' with a fanfare of being this & that,deliver one 'killer' album,& that seems to sum up their worth,no further idea.Most of the bands from the '80's seemed to evolve &/or improve as they aged & had longevity,tho' I admit that in this present day of a fickle industry,it is a bit harder to cement that same foothold,it's too disposable.Who really can go from Blue Monday to AOC,from Dreams Never End to EGG,from Broken Promise to BLT,rock to dance,guitar to sequencer, so effortlessly,while still retaining what it is unmistakeably the same band?
Ok,I'm fookin' biased! :D
LCD Soundsystem?
In terms of musical range, they've certainly demonstrated a diversity of styles, from acid to punk, via heavy rock and indie rock, incorprating some of the best music written so far this century.
Hank Wiseass© wrote:
kel wrote: IMO,without being biased,I don't believe there is anyone.Most of the bands around at the moment,& some of them I like very much,carry far too much of an influence in their sound to be innovative or original.Plus,they explode on the 'scene' with a fanfare of being this & that,deliver one 'killer' album,& that seems to sum up their worth,no further idea.Most of the bands from the '80's seemed to evolve &/or improve as they aged & had longevity,tho' I admit that in this present day of a fickle industry,it is a bit harder to cement that same foothold,it's too disposable.Who really can go from Blue Monday to AOC,from Dreams Never End to EGG,from Broken Promise to BLT,rock to dance,guitar to sequencer, so effortlessly,while still retaining what it is unmistakeably the same band?
Ok,I'm fookin' biased! :D
LCD Soundsystem?
In terms of musical range, they've certainly demonstrated a diversity of styles, from acid to punk, via heavy rock and indie rock, incorprating some of the best music written so far this century.
Now LCD Soundsystem I think are absolute quality,but I would take them out this point for the reason that altho' they are different than what's around at the moment & offering something new-ish,their sound is still very much 'dancebeat' orientated,& doesn't swing from a complete guitar driven track one minute,to a sequencer driven,pop-dance track the next.Example? YSF to Leave Me Alone,Weirdo to BLT on the same albums.They don't have that diversity yet,not IMO
Give It Up aside,before you throw it back at me:D
Electrelane recall some of the unique spirit of PCL throughout their most recent album and The Power Out.
The Editors - two albums in, get singer to top himself, get girlfriend in on keyboards and they're off!
Dare I mention ----Muse???? Alot of potential, with three strong albums, but there needs to be an evolution to a slightly different sound in their next album....
I nominate myself to follow in New Order's path.
I make electronic music pretty infuenced by NO...though with a bit more of a lyrical bent.
I've just recently released a full length album. It got really good reviews in all of the press here in Columbus.
Check it out, if you wish. With my music, I am trying to take what Moroder/Kraftwerk/NO started and take it to my own place.
I'd love for some fellow NO fans to give a listen. The four singles from my album are up on my Myspace page.
Give It Up aside,before you throw it back at me:D
Heh well anticipated, but I'd add a couple of others onto that (Movement, New York I Love You...., North American Scum)...
Zachery Starkey wrote: I nominate myself to follow in New Order's path.
Umm, no. Without sounding unkind, your tracks don't have anywhere near the vibrancy and creativity of New Order's, and being influenced by a band is far different than being an influential band.
I don't think I've ever seen you leave a comment that wasn't promoting your own music. That's annoying.
ANYWAY, LCD Soundsystem is a good nominee as far as rock vs. sequencer with a completely updated sound - and James Murphy apes Mark E. Smith with his singing style so it's got that whole norvern thing going on! ;)
I'd further nominate Soulwax because the album Any Minute Now pulls off a fantastic range and seamlessly incorporates dance and rock tracks.
(...for that matter so does Scissor Sisters, but if I nominate them I'll start a shit storm.)
£50 Note wrote:
Zachery Starkey wrote: I nominate myself to follow in New Order's path.
Umm, no. Without sounding unkind, your tracks don't have anywhere near the vibrancy and creativity of New Order's, and being influenced by a band is far different than being an influential band.
I don't think I've ever seen you leave a comment that wasn't promoting your own music. That's annoying.
ANYWAY, LCD Soundsystem is a good nominee as far as rock vs. sequencer with a completely updated sound - and James Murphy apes Mark E. Smith with his singing style so it's got that whole norvern thing going on! ;)
I'd further nominate Soulwax because the album Any Minute Now pulls off a fantastic range and seamlessly incorporates dance and rock tracks.
(...for that matter so does Scissor Sisters, but if I nominate them I'll start a shit storm.)
Yep,considering 'she's my man' is Elton Johns' 'I'm still standing' to a fookin' T.!! & the other one that sounds like Robbie Williams,'Mary' is it? If the Scissor Sisters ever get mentioned as being influential,I'm giving up listening to music
kel wrote: Yep,considering 'she's my man' is Elton Johns' 'I'm still standing' to a fookin' T.!! & the other one that sounds like Robbie Williams,'Mary' is it? If the Scissor Sisters ever get mentioned as being influential,I'm giving up listening to music
I don't want to hijack this thread into a love/hate Scissor Sisters tangent. I know opinions are sharply divided, but I will say they were the band that reignited my hope in current bands after a decade of shit music. I'd pick the first album over the second one, and I know their live show and energy are a bigger pull than any influence they may have on other bands. I personally love them, but they've also had virtually no exposure in the US. They are still very much a cult phenomenon here.
Could they follow in New Order's footsteps in terms of relevance and innovation? Doubtful. Do they excite me in a way New Order does? Most definitely. I'll leave it at that.
£50 Note wrote:
Zachery Starkey wrote: I nominate myself to follow in New Order's path.
ANYWAY, LCD Soundsystem is a good nominee as far as rock vs. sequencer with a completely updated sound - and James Murphy apes Mark E. Smith with his singing style so it's got that whole norvern thing going on! ;)
I'd further nominate Soulwax because the album Any Minute Now pulls off a fantastic range and seamlessly incorporates dance and rock tracks.
Good choices, in fact J. Murphy collaborated quite a bit of stuffs with Soulwax so I think a hybrid 'LCD/Soulwax/Night Versions' will make a good NO substitute as you have dance+guitar+electronica all in one!
poisoned Snickers r yummy... wrote: Good choices, in fact J. Murphy collaborated quite a bit of stuffs with Soulwax so I think a hybrid 'LCD/Soulwax/Night Versions' will make a good NO substitute as you have dance+guitar+electronica all in one!
There is a fantastic mash-up/remix of the entire Sound Of Silver album floating around called Sounds Like Silver - highly recommended!
...and in case you hadn't seen the previous threads, LCD just covered Joy Division's No Love Lost for the B-side of their current single.
EdelBrock wrote: Dare I mention ----Muse???? Alot of potential, with three strong albums, but there needs to be an evolution to a slightly different sound in their next album....
How can Muse be New Orders heirs when they are already much bigger than New Order ever were?
And for the record, they have four albums. Plus one soundtrack. The potential you mention may have been reached, they play Wembley Stadium twice this weekend.
I've seen Muse live twice in a club and they're an alright band, but - they're basically just Radiohead with louder guitars, aren't they?
Is it possible that the reason New Order were (once!) so fresh and innovative was partly because they were riding the wave of new technology? I mean their best work (EGG to Low Life?) came at a time when new technology was becoming available (all that desperate tweaking to get the stuff to work properly, a screwdriver being as important a gig prop as a plectrum). I mean OK the technology continues to develop, but maybe that era was almost up there with the invention of the electric guitar (and look what that did) whereas nothing so dramatic has happened since or seems likely to in the near future. Hence, its simply not possible for any band right now to be as exciting as they were. (surely our resident Marxist MIMX would approve of this argument - base determines superstructure, and all that?)
(Or the aboe might all be bollocks and its just be that I was a teenager then and am a jaded middle aged guy now!)
James Murphy aint that much younger than NO themselves. I'll be suprised if we get more than one more album out of LCD
Uncle Liam wrote:
EdelBrock wrote: Dare I mention ----Muse???? Alot of potential, with three strong albums, but there needs to be an evolution to a slightly different sound in their next album....
How can Muse be New Orders heirs when they are already much bigger than New Order ever were?
And for the record, they have four albums. Plus one soundtrack. The potential you mention may have been reached, they play Wembley Stadium twice this weekend.
ehh..didn't know about the 4th album....sorry.
What I meant by potential, as in potential as NO heirs (not as a band in marketing). Seems that they need an evolution record to really set themselves seperate from the "radiohead" anaology everyone uses.
so the king is dead. long live the king. new order will return. but having said that I do like Komakino, as I have said before. Obvious link. Development is another issue. Another one is growing up in Salford in the mid to late 70s. Hey, all we need is another depression, massive unemployment, inner city decay, riots, racism, erosion of workers' rights and an extreme right wing government to sort out the miners. Then the social arena might be fit for another joy division. Anyone for a fine time?
david ball wrote: so the king is dead. long live the king. new order will return. but having said that I do like Komakino, as I have said before. Obvious link. Development is another issue. Another one is growing up in Salford in the mid to late 70s. Hey, all we need is another depression, massive unemployment, inner city decay, riots, racism, erosion of workers' rights and an extreme right wing government to sort out the miners. Then the social arena might be fit for another joy division. Anyone for a fine time?
thatcher was only in for about 8 momths when IC hung himself, JD were well and truely NO by the time of the miners strike, and surely, with all the goths and emo's about there enough bloody depression. bring back the acid house era, that's what i say!, every one happy and loved up, even brought peace to the football terraces.
Jed Stephens wrote:
david ball wrote: so the king is dead. long live the king. new order will return. but having said that I do like Komakino, as I have said before. Obvious link. Development is another issue. Another one is growing up in Salford in the mid to late 70s. Hey, all we need is another depression, massive unemployment, inner city decay, riots, racism, erosion of workers' rights and an extreme right wing government to sort out the miners. Then the social arena might be fit for another joy division. Anyone for a fine time?
thatcher was only in for about 8 momths when IC hung himself, JD were well and truely NO by the time of the miners strike, and surely, with all the goths and emo's about there enough bloody depression. bring back the acid house era, that's what i say!, every one happy and loved up, even brought peace to the football terraces.
I however nominate no one, except maybe Tomihira. And not just because of their awesome cover of 'Mr. Disco.'
dogface wrote: James Murphy aint that much younger than NO themselves. I'll be suprised if we get more than one more album out of LCD
About 20 years younger, isn't he?
FtotheDoubleOff wrote: I've seen Muse live twice in a club and they're an alright band, but - they're basically just Radiohead with louder guitars, aren't they?
I thought the Radiohead stereotype was banished after Origin of Symmerty......... I must have been wrong. There is a lot more to Muses music than that.
I would currently rate Muse as the best band in the country..... and Matt Bellamy is an awesome guitarist/pianist
£50 Note wrote:
kel wrote: Yep,considering 'she's my man' is Elton Johns' 'I'm still standing' to a fookin' T.!! & the other one that sounds like Robbie Williams,'Mary' is it? If the Scissor Sisters ever get mentioned as being influential,I'm giving up listening to music
I don't want to hijack this thread into a love/hate Scissor Sisters tangent. I know opinions are sharply divided, but I will say they were the band that reignited my hope in current bands after a decade of shit music. I'd pick the first album over the second one, and I know their live show and energy are a bigger pull than any influence they may have on other bands. I personally love them, but they've also had virtually no exposure in the US. They are still very much a cult phenomenon here.
Could they follow in New Order's footsteps in terms of relevance and innovation? Doubtful. Do they excite me in a way New Order does? Most definitely. I'll leave it at that.
Now that's a good point well put.I didn't intend to put across my dislike for their music,it's ok but just not my cup of tea,but in terms of entertainment & 'slight' diversity to their sound,you are spot on.Again,as for the relevance & innovation,there is no way they could ever hope of matching N.O.,& that relates to my point earlier that artists are just too disposable & copiest these days to ever be that relevant,innovative & influential to any lengths,let alone N.O.'s.I wouldn't say that N.O. were on the 'throne' to begin with as such,but they would certainly be up there
kel wrote:
£50 Note wrote:
Zachery Starkey wrote: I nominate myself to follow in New Order's path.
Umm, no. Without sounding unkind, your tracks don't have anywhere near the vibrancy and creativity of New Order's, and being influenced by a band is far different than being an influential band.
I don't think I've ever seen you leave a comment that wasn't promoting your own music. That's annoying.
ANYWAY, LCD Soundsystem is a good nominee as far as rock vs. sequencer with a completely updated sound - and James Murphy apes Mark E. Smith with his singing style so it's got that whole norvern thing going on! ;)
I'd further nominate Soulwax because the album Any Minute Now pulls off a fantastic range and seamlessly incorporates dance and rock tracks.
(...for that matter so does Scissor Sisters, but if I nominate them I'll start a shit storm.)
Yep,considering 'she's my man' is Elton Johns' 'I'm still standing' to a fookin' T.!! & the other one that sounds like Robbie Williams,'Mary' is it? If the Scissor Sisters ever get mentioned as being influential,I'm giving up listening to music
Sorry. I just thought some folks on here might be interesdted to hear what a fellow NO fan is doing musically, thats all. In defense of myself, I dont try to ape, emulate, or sound like the Order. A for creativity, my songs are quite intricate and layered, if you listen carefully. There is a lot going on. I also use lead guitar in a way thats no to common in dance music. I've got an album with 12 tracks, there is a lot more on it than whats on my Myspace page.
But its all a matter of opinion anyways, so no problem. I don't think I am wrong in mentioning my music on here occaisionally though. Other posters do it. So long as its not done too often. I think is interesting to learn what other NOOL'ers are doing creatively.
And Ive made tons and tons of posts that never mentioned making my own music.
Most of my posts are about Phils guitar wanking. ;)
Hah hah.
I like LCD Soundsystem a lot.
The Juan Maclean is also pretty good. Check him out if you haven't already.
There is a Swedish electro band called the Knife and I think they are superb.
No heirs, the empire is falling, and there aren't even barbarians coming. Pop music is ending pretty much like jazz did in the 60s. Only problem is when jazz died, surviving only as a revival for a niche of seated audiences, when it started to make people dance in brothels, rock'n'roll was becoming huge, while now that rock and pop are dying, nothing at all is happening. We've totally run out of ideas, let's face it. History never repates itself. There won't ever be another New Order. Just look at Oasis, they tried to be the new Beatles, but sounded so pathetic in fact... There have been moments when I thought something could start again. When Bjork's Homogenic and Radiohead's Kid A came out at the end of the 90s, I thought, wow, this is the way, more bands will follow this path... nobody dared... Now I've been really impressed by Mew, making pop music as sophisticated as Prefab Sprout with guitars as effected as My Bloody Valentine, that's a great idea, but it's not enough to see a future for music. Basically, nothing happened since the press knocked down shoegazing to push Britpop because they knew it was safer. But since then bands have been so scared to look forward... I think that, as ever, musicians should mix the elements once again to look forward. If you listen to Algerian Rai music, or Brazilian Pagode, you hear fresh sounds, tunes and rhythms that could bring something really new to pop music. Now try to go to this page and click the "listen" link on the tape, you can hear the whole Pagode operetta about the female condition (weird I know, but it does work) by an old mad genius called Tom Ze. I'd bring a lot of that stuff into pop music. A remix of the elements is needed, that's what always happened when music had its most exciting developments. I mean, I don't like Blues, but if someone hadn't brought Blues into pop music we wouldn't have had rock'n'roll and we would be still stuck at Paul fookin Anka...
Mick Aneworderfan wrote: No heirs, the empire is falling, and there aren't even barbarians coming. Pop music is ending pretty much like jazz did in the 60s. Only problem is when jazz died, surviving only as a revival for a niche of seated audiences, when it started to make people dance in brothels, rock'n'roll was becoming huge, while now that rock and pop are dying, nothing at all is happening. We've totally run out of ideas, let's face it. History never repates itself. There won't ever be another New Order. Just look at Oasis, they tried to be the new Beatles, but sounded so pathetic in fact... There have been moments when I thought something could start again. When Bjork's Homogenic and Radiohead's Kid A came out at the end of the 90s, I thought, wow, this is the way, more bands will follow this path... nobody dared... Now I've been really impressed by Mew, making pop music as sophisticated as Prefab Sprout with guitars as effected as My Bloody Valentine, that's a great idea, but it's not enough to see a future for music. Basically, nothing happened since the press knocked down shoegazing to push Britpop because they knew it was safer. But since then bands have been so scared to look forward... I think that, as ever, musicians should mix the elements once again to look forward. If you listen to Algerian Rai music, or Brazilian Pagode, you hear fresh sounds, tunes and rhythms that could bring something really new to pop music. Now try to go to this page and click the "listen" link on the tape, you can hear the whole Pagode operetta about the female condition (weird I know, but it does work) by an old mad genius called Tom Ze. I'd bring a lot of that stuff into pop music. A remix of the elements is needed, that's what always happened when music had its most exciting developments. I mean, I don't like Blues, but if someone hadn't brought Blues into pop music we wouldn't have had rock'n'roll and we would be still stuck at Paul fookin Anka...
Funny, never really thought of NO as Pop, granted they had mainstream songs that were "poppy" but not an actual Pop band. Pop is fickle and only has people that are jumping on a the newest bandwagon, never saw NO that way.
As for no newmusic being good and and end of an era....well you just sound like an old foggie
ok...only from a diversity standpoint...bandmembers doing other creative stuff...Blur...had hits of totally different types
Hank Wiseass© wrote:
dogface wrote: James Murphy aint that much younger than NO themselves. I'll be suprised if we get more than one more album out of LCD
About 20 years younger, isn't he?
He's 38
"thatcher was only in for about 8 momths when IC hung himself, JD were well and truely NO by the time of the miners strike"
ah but thatcher was well and truely about. she stopped me having my free milk in school and the tory plots to topple the miners were years before the actual strikes! It was grim up north then.
Mick Aneworderfan wrote: No heirs, the empire is falling, and there aren't even barbarians coming. Pop music is ending pretty much like jazz did in the 60s. Only problem is when jazz died, surviving only as a revival for a niche of seated audiences, when it started to make people dance in brothels, rock'n'roll was becoming huge, while now that rock and pop are dying, nothing at all is happening. We've totally run out of ideas, let's face it. History never repates itself. There won't ever be another New Order. Just look at Oasis, they tried to be the new Beatles, but sounded so pathetic in fact... There have been moments when I thought something could start again. When Bjork's Homogenic and Radiohead's Kid A came out at the end of the 90s, I thought, wow, this is the way, more bands will follow this path... nobody dared... Now I've been really impressed by Mew, making pop music as sophisticated as Prefab Sprout with guitars as effected as My Bloody Valentine, that's a great idea, but it's not enough to see a future for music. Basically, nothing happened since the press knocked down shoegazing to push Britpop because they knew it was safer. But since then bands have been so scared to look forward... I think that, as ever, musicians should mix the elements once again to look forward. If you listen to Algerian Rai music, or Brazilian Pagode, you hear fresh sounds, tunes and rhythms that could bring something really new to pop music. Now try to go to this page and click the "listen" link on the tape, you can hear the whole Pagode operetta about the female condition (weird I know, but it does work) by an old mad genius called Tom Ze. I'd bring a lot of that stuff into pop music. A remix of the elements is needed, that's what always happened when music had its most exciting developments. I mean, I don't like Blues, but if someone hadn't brought Blues into pop music we wouldn't have had rock'n'roll and we would be still stuck at Paul fookin Anka...
the press never knocked down shoegazing to push britpop, the music press are always looking for the new scene & always building up new ones & knocking down old ones, nushoegazing is in now, but in the years in between it faded away & people stopped caring as the bands split up.
mew are ok, but come on - listen to special off the last lp & tell me that's not new order inspired.
& to say nothing has happened since brit pop is so wrong & also contradicts your history never repeats point as guitars came back & were reclaimed by the kids as their own, mixed with more advanced sampling, the myspace/free music /download revolution
also oasis t4ried to be the old beatles, if they'd tried to be the new ones it may have been interesting
recycle wrote: I would currently rate Muse as the best band in the country..... and Matt Bellamy is an awesome guitarist/pianist
Agree, Muse could be the best band worldwide now
Shoegazers! It's time for a shoegazer 'revival' - it was never popular anyway so now maybe it's time. Its sound is a polar opposite to everything that's big now so it sounds fresh and alive.
Will never happen though...
Loud, melodic guitars and tons of samplers and flanging and overdubs....
EdelBrock wrote: Funny, never really thought of NO as Pop, granted they had mainstream songs that were "poppy" but not an actual Pop band. Pop is fickle and only has people that are jumping on a the newest bandwagon, never saw NO that way. As for no newmusic being good and and end of an era....well you just sound like an old foggie
Which I am, but the problem is I'm right! When I was a teenager and became a fan of, well you know all the bands by now, I knew a bloke which was 10 years older and he believed nothing happened since "punk ruined everything"... ah the good old days of Status Quo and Boston!
Well but we had loads and loads of great bands in the late 80s, while now it's just a general decline.People also seem to care a lot less. When I was younger being the fan of a band was a bit like being a football supporter, you saw lots of kids with T shirts of bands... all the T shirts of bands I see now around are of bands of back then!
Last week I saw a teenager with a Love Will Tear Us Apart T shirt. I just thought he wasn't even born when True Faith came out! A bit like me if I was wearing only T shirts of bands like the Rolling Stones... I remember people really cared about bands in the 80s, there was a real passion, today they all have iPods but they're mostly casual listeners, music for them it's just... entertainment, like watching TV or anything else, which is fookin horrible!
They don't even have favourite bands, they just listen to what's going through the radio, never buying (or just downloading illegally) more than a couple of albums, they never feel the emotional impact music had on us the first time we've heard our favourite bands.
That's because there are no bands which deserve such a following, and when there are, they're simply not recognized and remain under the underground...
Oh when I say pop here I'm talking about it in the widest meaning, not only commercial music, but everything that has been important since rock'n'roll, including disco and punk...
Mick Aneworderfan wrote: No heirs, the empire is falling, and there aren't even barbarians coming. Pop music is ending pretty much like jazz did in the 60s. Only problem is when jazz died, surviving only as a revival for a niche of seated audiences, when it started to make people dance in brothels, rock'n'roll was becoming huge, while now that rock and pop are dying, nothing at all is happening. We've totally run out of ideas, let's face it. I'd bring a lot of that stuff into pop music. A remix of the elements is needed, that's what always happened when music had its most exciting developments. I mean, I don't like Blues, but if someone hadn't brought Blues into pop music we wouldn't have had rock'n'roll and we would be still stuck at Paul fookin Anka...
Sure no Band can ever replace NO. Too many different Factors made possible only what Time and the years 80s, NYC Drugs etc.s Cemented. To lots of sets of ears there are lots of Fresh Ideas about. Jazz Fests are Main Events w/ lots of Talent and not just Random Improv. Montréal Jazz Festival is an example.
Blues is Soul and has vibrancy.
ACR easily coasted and stepped through the mixed genre challenge. Other side of the spectrum is Muse or even hearing The Strokes. The latest MAntoinette soundtrack, think marked a few good Tunes. Agreed LCD has range a Credibilty. Bloc Party has a Tide worth checking out. Interpol has is carving a good thing also. Main stage has ie. Digital Re: Order kREMLIN.. Freebass could get 
Funky in a 586 sort of way.
hibster wrote: mew are ok, but come on - listen to special off the last lp & tell me that's not new order inspired. & to say nothing has happened since brit pop is so wrong & also contradicts your history never repeats point as guitars came back & were reclaimed by the kids as their own, mixed with more advanced sampling, the myspace/free music /download revolution also oasis t4ried to be the old beatles, if they'd tried to be the new ones it may have been interesting
That's because there can't be any new Beatles. You know, the only band which somehow has been the new Beatles, musically speaking (because they were quite different as charachters) was The Smiths, and yet they sounded totally different. Still, that shows that you may try to do accessible and inventive light guitar pop, also with a strong influence from the past (The Byrds on Marr), but you have to do that with some fookin style of your own. Thank God for the Internet revolution in music, it's helping a lot of great bands which would remain totally unknown otherwise. Still, there's a huge lack in quality. We have many more bands, but not enough of them are good enough to be noticed. Only a dozen of what I've been hearing so far would deserve a chance, and the best of them (Azure Glow) have already split. New Order are definitely an influence of Mew, they often cite them together with Prefab Sprout and My Bloody Valentine. Which is absolutely cool. Special (which doesn't plainly imitate New Order BTW) is a wonderful pop song, but what's really amazing is the totally visionary rock of songs like Apocalypso, one of the few songs that made me drop my jaw in this decade.
in nolan time sign what does the mind cover are we talking while is the winter care line care line thumped it up what are your stories all about
BREATH TAKING!
there can't ever be any "heirs" for new order. new order ARE the new new order because there simply can't be anyone else for the job. the next time another revolutionary, timeless band comes along it's going to be something completely different then anything we've ever heard before. we might have to wait awhile though. the bands coming from the mid90s and later are all just one trick ponies. they do the same old crap well, but it's still the same old crap. nowhere near the range that new order has (had?).
This is like The Beatles and The Rolling Strones. The Beatles broke up and the Stones kept rolling on. So New Order are gone, the Pet Shop Boys are stil there and after 2 decades it will be still the Pet Shop Boys who will fill charts and make music magazines talk, while New Order will become a legacy for dramatically aged, ill and bald decadents and goths.
Mick Aneworderfan wrote:
I remember people really cared about bands in the 80s, there was a real passion, today they all have iPods but they're mostly casual listeners, music for them it's just... entertainment, like watching TV or anything else, which is fookin horrible! ........ .....they never feel the emotional impact music had on us the first time we've heard our favourite bands. That's because there are no bands which deserve such a following, .
Spot on
Who was it that once wrote "...Hooky's bass, echoing back from a time when music meant something" ?
Regards, Old Bastard
Are there new bands that matter whose music makes an impact, who aren't run by record labels and do what they want to do?
FtotheDoubleOff wrote: Shoegazers! It's time for a shoegazer 'revival' - it was never popular anyway so now maybe it's time. Its sound is a polar opposite to everything that's big now so it sounds fresh and alive.
Will never happen though...
Loud, melodic guitars and tons of samplers and flanging and overdubs....
You never heard of Mira then, have you?
