heirs to the throne?
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No heirs, the empire is falling, and there aren't even barbarians coming. Pop music is ending pretty much like jazz did in the 60s. Only problem is when jazz died, surviving only as a revival for a niche of seated audiences, when it started to make people dance in brothels, rock'n'roll was becoming huge, while now that rock and pop are dying, nothing at all is happening. We've totally run out of ideas, let's face it. History never repates itself. There won't ever be another New Order. Just look at Oasis, they tried to be the new Beatles, but sounded so pathetic in fact... There have been moments when I thought something could start again. When Bjork's Homogenic and Radiohead's Kid A came out at the end of the 90s, I thought, wow, this is the way, more bands will follow this path... nobody dared... Now I've been really impressed by Mew, making pop music as sophisticated as Prefab Sprout with guitars as effected as My Bloody Valentine, that's a great idea, but it's not enough to see a future for music. Basically, nothing happened since the press knocked down shoegazing to push Britpop because they knew it was safer. But since then bands have been so scared to look forward... I think that, as ever, musicians should mix the elements once again to look forward. If you listen to Algerian Rai music, or Brazilian Pagode, you hear fresh sounds, tunes and rhythms that could bring something really new to pop music. Now try to go to this page and click the "listen" link on the tape, you can hear the whole Pagode operetta about the female condition (weird I know, but it does work) by an old mad genius called Tom Ze. I'd bring a lot of that stuff into pop music. A remix of the elements is needed, that's what always happened when music had its most exciting developments. I mean, I don't like Blues, but if someone hadn't brought Blues into pop music we wouldn't have had rock'n'roll and we would be still stuck at Paul fookin Anka...
Mick Aneworderfan wrote: No heirs, the empire is falling, and there aren't even barbarians coming. Pop music is ending pretty much like jazz did in the 60s. Only problem is when jazz died, surviving only as a revival for a niche of seated audiences, when it started to make people dance in brothels, rock'n'roll was becoming huge, while now that rock and pop are dying, nothing at all is happening. We've totally run out of ideas, let's face it. History never repates itself. There won't ever be another New Order. Just look at Oasis, they tried to be the new Beatles, but sounded so pathetic in fact... There have been moments when I thought something could start again. When Bjork's Homogenic and Radiohead's Kid A came out at the end of the 90s, I thought, wow, this is the way, more bands will follow this path... nobody dared... Now I've been really impressed by Mew, making pop music as sophisticated as Prefab Sprout with guitars as effected as My Bloody Valentine, that's a great idea, but it's not enough to see a future for music. Basically, nothing happened since the press knocked down shoegazing to push Britpop because they knew it was safer. But since then bands have been so scared to look forward... I think that, as ever, musicians should mix the elements once again to look forward. If you listen to Algerian Rai music, or Brazilian Pagode, you hear fresh sounds, tunes and rhythms that could bring something really new to pop music. Now try to go to this page and click the "listen" link on the tape, you can hear the whole Pagode operetta about the female condition (weird I know, but it does work) by an old mad genius called Tom Ze. I'd bring a lot of that stuff into pop music. A remix of the elements is needed, that's what always happened when music had its most exciting developments. I mean, I don't like Blues, but if someone hadn't brought Blues into pop music we wouldn't have had rock'n'roll and we would be still stuck at Paul fookin Anka...
Funny, never really thought of NO as Pop, granted they had mainstream songs that were "poppy" but not an actual Pop band. Pop is fickle and only has people that are jumping on a the newest bandwagon, never saw NO that way.
As for no newmusic being good and and end of an era....well you just sound like an old foggie
ok...only from a diversity standpoint...bandmembers doing other creative stuff...Blur...had hits of totally different types
Hank Wiseass© wrote:
dogface wrote: James Murphy aint that much younger than NO themselves. I'll be suprised if we get more than one more album out of LCD
About 20 years younger, isn't he?
He's 38
"thatcher was only in for about 8 momths when IC hung himself, JD were well and truely NO by the time of the miners strike"
ah but thatcher was well and truely about. she stopped me having my free milk in school and the tory plots to topple the miners were years before the actual strikes! It was grim up north then.
Mick Aneworderfan wrote: No heirs, the empire is falling, and there aren't even barbarians coming. Pop music is ending pretty much like jazz did in the 60s. Only problem is when jazz died, surviving only as a revival for a niche of seated audiences, when it started to make people dance in brothels, rock'n'roll was becoming huge, while now that rock and pop are dying, nothing at all is happening. We've totally run out of ideas, let's face it. History never repates itself. There won't ever be another New Order. Just look at Oasis, they tried to be the new Beatles, but sounded so pathetic in fact... There have been moments when I thought something could start again. When Bjork's Homogenic and Radiohead's Kid A came out at the end of the 90s, I thought, wow, this is the way, more bands will follow this path... nobody dared... Now I've been really impressed by Mew, making pop music as sophisticated as Prefab Sprout with guitars as effected as My Bloody Valentine, that's a great idea, but it's not enough to see a future for music. Basically, nothing happened since the press knocked down shoegazing to push Britpop because they knew it was safer. But since then bands have been so scared to look forward... I think that, as ever, musicians should mix the elements once again to look forward. If you listen to Algerian Rai music, or Brazilian Pagode, you hear fresh sounds, tunes and rhythms that could bring something really new to pop music. Now try to go to this page and click the "listen" link on the tape, you can hear the whole Pagode operetta about the female condition (weird I know, but it does work) by an old mad genius called Tom Ze. I'd bring a lot of that stuff into pop music. A remix of the elements is needed, that's what always happened when music had its most exciting developments. I mean, I don't like Blues, but if someone hadn't brought Blues into pop music we wouldn't have had rock'n'roll and we would be still stuck at Paul fookin Anka...
the press never knocked down shoegazing to push britpop, the music press are always looking for the new scene & always building up new ones & knocking down old ones, nushoegazing is in now, but in the years in between it faded away & people stopped caring as the bands split up.
mew are ok, but come on - listen to special off the last lp & tell me that's not new order inspired.
& to say nothing has happened since brit pop is so wrong & also contradicts your history never repeats point as guitars came back & were reclaimed by the kids as their own, mixed with more advanced sampling, the myspace/free music /download revolution
also oasis t4ried to be the old beatles, if they'd tried to be the new ones it may have been interesting
recycle wrote: I would currently rate Muse as the best band in the country..... and Matt Bellamy is an awesome guitarist/pianist
Agree, Muse could be the best band worldwide now 
Shoegazers! It's time for a shoegazer 'revival' - it was never popular anyway so now maybe it's time. Its sound is a polar opposite to everything that's big now so it sounds fresh and alive.
Will never happen though...
Loud, melodic guitars and tons of samplers and flanging and overdubs....
EdelBrock wrote: Funny, never really thought of NO as Pop, granted they had mainstream songs that were "poppy" but not an actual Pop band. Pop is fickle and only has people that are jumping on a the newest bandwagon, never saw NO that way. As for no newmusic being good and and end of an era....well you just sound like an old foggie
Which I am, but the problem is I'm right! When I was a teenager and became a fan of, well you know all the bands by now, I knew a bloke which was 10 years older and he believed nothing happened since "punk ruined everything"... ah the good old days of Status Quo and Boston!
Well but we had loads and loads of great bands in the late 80s, while now it's just a general decline.People also seem to care a lot less. When I was younger being the fan of a band was a bit like being a football supporter, you saw lots of kids with T shirts of bands... all the T shirts of bands I see now around are of bands of back then!
Last week I saw a teenager with a Love Will Tear Us Apart T shirt. I just thought he wasn't even born when True Faith came out! A bit like me if I was wearing only T shirts of bands like the Rolling Stones... I remember people really cared about bands in the 80s, there was a real passion, today they all have iPods but they're mostly casual listeners, music for them it's just... entertainment, like watching TV or anything else, which is fookin horrible!
They don't even have favourite bands, they just listen to what's going through the radio, never buying (or just downloading illegally) more than a couple of albums, they never feel the emotional impact music had on us the first time we've heard our favourite bands.
That's because there are no bands which deserve such a following, and when there are, they're simply not recognized and remain under the underground...
Oh when I say pop here I'm talking about it in the widest meaning, not only commercial music, but everything that has been important since rock'n'roll, including disco and punk...
Mick Aneworderfan wrote: No heirs, the empire is falling, and there aren't even barbarians coming. Pop music is ending pretty much like jazz did in the 60s. Only problem is when jazz died, surviving only as a revival for a niche of seated audiences, when it started to make people dance in brothels, rock'n'roll was becoming huge, while now that rock and pop are dying, nothing at all is happening. We've totally run out of ideas, let's face it. I'd bring a lot of that stuff into pop music. A remix of the elements is needed, that's what always happened when music had its most exciting developments. I mean, I don't like Blues, but if someone hadn't brought Blues into pop music we wouldn't have had rock'n'roll and we would be still stuck at Paul fookin Anka...
Sure no Band can ever replace NO. Too many different Factors made possible only what Time and the years 80s, NYC Drugs etc.s Cemented. To lots of sets of ears there are lots of Fresh Ideas about. Jazz Fests are Main Events w/ lots of Talent and not just Random Improv. Montréal Jazz Festival is an example.
Blues is Soul and has vibrancy.
ACR easily coasted and stepped through the mixed genre challenge. Other side of the spectrum is Muse or even hearing The Strokes. The latest MAntoinette soundtrack, think marked a few good Tunes. Agreed LCD has range a Credibilty. Bloc Party has a Tide worth checking out. Interpol has is carving a good thing also. Main stage has ie. Digital Re: Order kREMLIN.. Freebass could get 
Funky in a 586 sort of way.
hibster wrote: mew are ok, but come on - listen to special off the last lp & tell me that's not new order inspired. & to say nothing has happened since brit pop is so wrong & also contradicts your history never repeats point as guitars came back & were reclaimed by the kids as their own, mixed with more advanced sampling, the myspace/free music /download revolution also oasis t4ried to be the old beatles, if they'd tried to be the new ones it may have been interesting
That's because there can't be any new Beatles. You know, the only band which somehow has been the new Beatles, musically speaking (because they were quite different as charachters) was The Smiths, and yet they sounded totally different. Still, that shows that you may try to do accessible and inventive light guitar pop, also with a strong influence from the past (The Byrds on Marr), but you have to do that with some fookin style of your own. Thank God for the Internet revolution in music, it's helping a lot of great bands which would remain totally unknown otherwise. Still, there's a huge lack in quality. We have many more bands, but not enough of them are good enough to be noticed. Only a dozen of what I've been hearing so far would deserve a chance, and the best of them (Azure Glow) have already split. New Order are definitely an influence of Mew, they often cite them together with Prefab Sprout and My Bloody Valentine. Which is absolutely cool. Special (which doesn't plainly imitate New Order BTW) is a wonderful pop song, but what's really amazing is the totally visionary rock of songs like Apocalypso, one of the few songs that made me drop my jaw in this decade.
in nolan time sign what does the mind cover are we talking while is the winter care line care line thumped it up what are your stories all about
BREATH TAKING!
there can't ever be any "heirs" for new order. new order ARE the new new order because there simply can't be anyone else for the job. the next time another revolutionary, timeless band comes along it's going to be something completely different then anything we've ever heard before. we might have to wait awhile though. the bands coming from the mid90s and later are all just one trick ponies. they do the same old crap well, but it's still the same old crap. nowhere near the range that new order has (had?).
This is like The Beatles and The Rolling Strones. The Beatles broke up and the Stones kept rolling on. So New Order are gone, the Pet Shop Boys are stil there and after 2 decades it will be still the Pet Shop Boys who will fill charts and make music magazines talk, while New Order will become a legacy for dramatically aged, ill and bald decadents and goths.
Mick Aneworderfan wrote:
I remember people really cared about bands in the 80s, there was a real passion, today they all have iPods but they're mostly casual listeners, music for them it's just... entertainment, like watching TV or anything else, which is fookin horrible! ........ .....they never feel the emotional impact music had on us the first time we've heard our favourite bands. That's because there are no bands which deserve such a following, .
Spot on
Who was it that once wrote "...Hooky's bass, echoing back from a time when music meant something" ?
Regards, Old Bastard
Are there new bands that matter whose music makes an impact, who aren't run by record labels and do what they want to do?
FtotheDoubleOff wrote: Shoegazers! It's time for a shoegazer 'revival' - it was never popular anyway so now maybe it's time. Its sound is a polar opposite to everything that's big now so it sounds fresh and alive.
Will never happen though...
Loud, melodic guitars and tons of samplers and flanging and overdubs....
You never heard of Mira then, have you?
Thanks!!