Remixes that changed the song entirely!

There are two New Order remixes that makes me wonder, where's the original song or bits of it? These are:

1. Temptation (CJ Bolland Mix)
2. 1963 (Lionrock Full Throttle Mix) (if you know more, then post it)

I mean, if an ordinary fan would listen to these tracks for the first time and without checking the titles, never in their wildest dreams that it is Temptation and 1963 by New Order. Unless for Temptation where he/she can guess it because the title is repeated a number of times when it was never really mentioned in the original song and the other versions.

So, what can you say about these remixes?

Well... for BLT Armand Van Helden Mix and Confusion Pump Panel Mixes, the beat changed, but the lyrics (at least a line for BLT) are still there. My old high school friend was able to determine these songs when I let him listen to my New Order stuff, but not Temptation and 1963. Its completely a new song.

Spotnick wrote: Confusion - Pump Panel Remixes

Je suis en accord, Nicos Sir!!

Pump panel is not as different as you think, that great big fuck off acid riff used to be the boopybeepy arpreggiating thingymerbobber off the substance one if I'm right.

Anyway, that van helden mix is a disgrace, did he get paid for that? Interesting thing about 2/3 way through, the speeding up back to the original speed thing.

In general, mixes like this are "remix jazz", loads of fun for the mixer, pretty tragic for anyone who liked the tune to start with.

Both of those came out during the height of 90's DJ Wank, when most remixes bore little or no resemblance to their orignal form but name DJs got paid loads of money for cranking them out. That's why I quit DJing during the 90's.

Armand Van Helden was notorious for creating his remixes on the fly using his synth's internal memory and then destroying the sequence after he'd recorded it. That shows you just how disposable he considered them at the time.

Age Of Consent (Howie B Mix)

i did mean ...just the music

True Faith - King Roc Mix

Spotnick wrote: BLT - Armand Van Heldon remix Confusion - Pump Panel Remixes

Both were crap, sadly. They marred the rest of.

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Spotnick wrote: BLT - Armand Van Heldon remix Confusion - Pump Panel Remixes

Both were crap, sadly. They marred the rest of.

Nah, Pump Panel is actually quite good. You just gotta be in the mood for that hard trancy type stuff. Plus it was in Blade so it automatically gets bonus points :D

Oh and don't forget Video 586 :)

Isamu wrote:

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Spotnick wrote: BLT - Armand Van Heldon remix Confusion - Pump Panel Remixes

Both were crap, sadly. They marred the rest of.

Nah, Pump Panel is actually quite good. You just gotta be in the mood for that hard trancy type stuff. Plus it was in Blade so it automatically gets bonus points :D

Oh and don't forget Video 586 :)

I love that Pump panel remix- good hard aggressive repetition for 8 odd minutes.

Dave Clarke remix of EGG disappionted me a little as it was a case of my favourite DJ on my Favourite band. Clarke is an amazing DJ but not sure about his remixes... His Remix of Leftfield's Phat Planet is pretty good, especially as he cuts into one of his own tunes. But wasn't impressed with EGG :\ohwell:

PS. Actually quite like the Van Helden take on BLT too as I pretty much can't stand the original. Heresy, I know!

Any of thr remixes for Regret.

The 'Fire Island' remix of 'Regret'

RichShan wrote:

Isamu wrote:

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Spotnick wrote: BLT - Armand Van Heldon remix Confusion - Pump Panel Remixes

Both were crap, sadly. They marred the rest of.

Nah, Pump Panel is actually quite good. You just gotta be in the mood for that hard trancy type stuff. Plus it was in Blade so it automatically gets bonus points :D

Oh and don't forget Video 586 :)

I love that Pump panel remix- good hard aggressive repetition for 8 odd minutes.

Dave Clarke remix of EGG disappionted me a little as it was a case of my favourite DJ on my Favourite band. Clarke is an amazing DJ but not sure about his remixes... His Remix of Leftfield's Phat Planet is pretty good, especially as he cuts into one of his own tunes. But wasn't impressed with EGG :\ohwell:

Yeah the pump panel mix is SOOOOOOO much better than the original or the Substance version. Its very clever too because when you first listen it just sounds just like the same repetitive rubbish for 8 minutes with no vocals.

But if you listen again carefully theres so many textures and different elements.

leather_girl wrote: The 'Fire Island' remix of 'Regret'

You are so right and so wrong all at once there.

The style has been totally obliterated, but they have played with and expanded the actual music content of the tune. Winebar house New Order, it's a wee gem.

I sometimes yearn to hear some real virtuoso take a crack at a New Order song.

Doctor? wrote: Pump panel is not as different as you think, that great big fuck off acid riff used to be the boopybeepy arpreggiating thingymerbobber off the substance one if I'm right.

Anyway, that van helden mix is a disgrace, did he get paid for that? Interesting thing about 2/3 way through, the speeding up back to the original speed thing.

In general, mixes like this are "remix jazz", loads of fun for the mixer, pretty tragic for anyone who liked the tune to start with.

£50 Note wrote: Both of those came out during the height of 90's DJ Wank, when most remixes bore little or no resemblance to their orignal form but name DJs got paid loads of money for cranking them out. That's why I quit DJing during the 90's.

Armand Van Helden was notorious for creating his remixes on the fly using his synth's internal memory and then destroying the sequence after he'd recorded it. That shows you just how disposable he considered them at the time.

Now that's the crap that I want to talk about! They made mixes, used a New Order song as a title even though the mix was totally different from the New Order song, and made money out of it. Its like they used New Order for their own personal fame and fortune.

Indeed!

ally wrote:

Spot on. A real bag of shite this. I bought this, listened too it once and then took it back. When I went to get my refund the assistant asked 'whats wrong with it?', its fucking shit thats whats wrong with it was my reply! I remember being really annoyed with this release as so many bands were having their stuff remixed in this style and to me it was NO following the hoardes.

The 1963 ones are shit as well.

I personally think that the 'Rest of...?' is the biggest piece of insulting w**k that N.O. have ever put their name to.But seeing as tho' I would buy a steaming fresh turd if it had 'NEW ORDER' on it ( oh,wait a minute....I did! Shitstream'!!! ),then there's not much else to say really Think the Arthur Baker remix of 1963 is quality,as is Regret Slo'n'Low

Spotnick wrote:

The Arthur Baker remix if 1963 is ace.

I've never heard it, actually.

what??

kel wrote: I personally think that the 'Rest of...?' is the biggest piece of insulting w**k that N.O. have ever put their name to.But seeing as tho' I would buy a steaming fresh turd if it had 'NEW ORDER' on it ( oh,wait a minute....I did! Shitstream'!!! ),then there's not much else to say really Think the Arthur Baker remix of 1963 is quality,as is Regret Slo'n'Low

The worst only was Disco 2 by the Pet Shop Boys almost at teh same era (1994). Absolute mierda.

Shame of the Nation :\ohwell:

any remix that loses any of the original song's integrity is crap. I second on the Rest Of being a piece of shite, but I think the Retro Cd with all the remixes is even worse crap. There should be a law on the # of remixes allowed...3 tops...I have 14 Blue Monday; 8 of BLT and a bunch of other songs that have 4-6 remixes....I can't get myself to throw it out, but out of all of them only 3 for each song (maybe)is actually listenable, the rest were a big wad of horse manure.

Don't give me more remixes, just give me more new/unreleased music, I'd prefer half-ass new/unreleased songs to kick-ass remixes.

Remixes are overrated crap.

[lost in benidorm...] ['sunshine'] wrote:

Spotnick wrote:

The Arthur Baker remix if 1963 is ace.

I've never heard it, actually.

what??

Jennifer...you can guess what i was going to say about it

RAZORMAID & HOT TRACKS REMIXES RULE!!!

Indeed!

Spotnick wrote:

The Arthur Baker remix if 1963 is ace.

Your're right Spotnick. I was more referring to the Lionrock and Vanelli Dub mixes.

Andrés wrote: Age Of Consent (Howie B Mix)

Really love this one... Turns what was a full on rush into something nice and laid back...

Snorri xxx

NO Regret wrote: Yeah the pump panel mix is SOOOOOOO much better than the original or the Substance version. Its very clever too because when you first listen it just sounds just like the same repetitive rubbish for 8 minutes with no vocals.

But if you listen again carefully theres so many textures and different elements.

Ooo, yeah, part way through they bring in HIHATS. No, sorry, it's utter shit, probably the worst remix I've ever heard. Actually, "remix" is generous - they looped ONE BAR of 303 fartmachine for ten minutes and fucked off to the bar for the rest of the recording session. It reminds me of stories about the government developing sonic weapons for crowd control. God damn it's bad. I'd rather listen to a powerdrill than that piece of shit.

Andrés wrote:

[lost in benidorm...] ['sunshine'] wrote:

Spotnick wrote:

The Arthur Baker remix if 1963 is ace.

I've never heard it, actually.

what??

Jennifer...you can guess what i was going to say about it

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah.

Trust me, I know. :p Sunny not dumb.

On the positive side the Touched By The Hand Of God remix is really good!

Technique wrote: On the positive side the Touched By The Hand Of God remix is really good!

That is by the band thou, if you are referring to the 12" TBYHOG

Always thought the Armand Van Heldon remix of "BLT" is proof he hated the original song, and he was really stoned. Good for a laugh I guess.

The "Ruined" Dancehall mixes are just an idea to do something different and it ended up a very sorry deadend... hey, it's better to have tried and failed then never try, unless you are Homer Simpson.

Always totally baffles me how people say they love New Order but then say they hate acid house/edgier techno remixes...

There are many rather uninspired remixes from mid 90s period such as 1963 and True Faith, to the WFTSC 7" singles, people just collecting a check by taking one of their tracks and adding some New Order samples. So many remixes, some good, some bland.

'Sunshine' [The Small-Town Order] wrote:

Trust me, I know. :p Sunny not dumb.

pumped full of drugs wrote: Always totally baffles me how people say they love New Order but then say they hate acid house/edgier techno remixes...

Probably because NO isn't acid house/edgier techo....thank god, or if they were I'd stop listening to them....

Chase wrote:

NO Regret wrote: Yeah the pump panel mix is SOOOOOOO much better than the original or the Substance version. Its very clever too because when you first listen it just sounds just like the same repetitive rubbish for 8 minutes with no vocals.

But if you listen again carefully theres so many textures and different elements.

Ooo, yeah, part way through they bring in HIHATS. No, sorry, it's utter shit, probably the worst remix I've ever heard. Actually, "remix" is generous - they looped ONE BAR of 303 fartmachine for ten minutes and fucked off to the bar for the rest of the recording session. It reminds me of stories about the government developing sonic weapons for crowd control. God damn it's bad. I'd rather listen to a powerdrill than that piece of shit.

I was taking the pee. Its complete tosh. As is that BLT on same album.

Spotnick wrote:

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Spotnick wrote: BLT - Armand Van Heldon remix Confusion - Pump Panel Remixes

Both were crap, sadly. They marred the rest of.

Pump Panel is not crap, it's just not Confusion.

I loved it the minute I saw the bloodbath scene in Blade

Yeah, I rather like the pp remixes. The thing I wonder about, is when a remixer basically writes another song, presumably the rights in the track are still with the original 'artist', the remixer just gets a flat fee, no? So for instance, when Public Domain sampled the PP mix of Confusion for 'operation blade', presumably they had to pay NO for the rights, even though there was precious little left of NO in the sample.

It also seems weird that someone can 'sample' a track to the extent that the result sounds like a remix of the original (electroset's how does it feel, for instance or Robbie Williams rip off of the Bond theme, or half of Fat Boy Slim and Moby's output) yet claim it as an original work, yet a 'remix' that sounds nothing like the original is considered _not_ to be an original work. I suppose authorship is really just down to how many record company lawyers you have on your side.

The Pump Panel Remixes of Confusion are the only Confusion Remixes that I like. All the rest are so-so.

Indeed!

I don't think the Spooky (out of order mix) sounds anything like the original. Much better than the pump panel confusion though.

Also the Krafty Rilton Re-Rub remix and Krafty Passengerz Revolution Club Mix is totally different as well.

Well now that I'm thinking about it, the Here To Stay Scumfrog Dub mix sucks pretty bad too.

And let's not forget the 60mph Supermen Lover Remix! Yech!

NO Regret wrote:

Chase wrote:

NO Regret wrote: Yeah the pump panel mix is SOOOOOOO much better than the original or the Substance version. Its very clever too because when you first listen it just sounds just like the same repetitive rubbish for 8 minutes with no vocals.

But if you listen again carefully theres so many textures and different elements.

Ooo, yeah, part way through they bring in HIHATS. No, sorry, it's utter shit, probably the worst remix I've ever heard. Actually, "remix" is generous - they looped ONE BAR of 303 fartmachine for ten minutes and fucked off to the bar for the rest of the recording session. It reminds me of stories about the government developing sonic weapons for crowd control. God damn it's bad. I'd rather listen to a powerdrill than that piece of shit.

I was taking the pee. Its complete tosh. As is that BLT on same album.

D'oh! How'd I miss that? I was blinded by hatred. :bag:

I'm with you on BLT, too. I think "rest of..." is pretty clearly a polite way to say "worst of..."

I just discovered now another remix version of a song, wherein you wont find traces, including the lyrics, of the original song. It is:

Sweet Lips (Tony De Vit Trade Mix) or (Trade Mix)

Indeed!

Advent mixes for EGG anyone?

The Pump Panel Flotation mix on the CD single is quite good, the version on"The Rest Of" is absolute shite.

The diecut sleeve promo of 1963-95 has a vocal mix of the track that really is VERY good and criminally unreleased. Don't know what it's called : "Joe T Vanelli Light Vocal Mix", I think.

Snorrimon wrote:

Andrés wrote: Age Of Consent (Howie B Mix)

Really love this one... Turns what was a full on rush into something nice and laid back...

Snorri xxx

well, i really hate that one

Andrés wrote:

Snorrimon wrote:

Andrés wrote: Age Of Consent (Howie B Mix)

Really love this one... Turns what was a full on rush into something nice and laid back...

Snorri xxx

well, i really hate that one

I'm with Andres on this one.

It actually begs the question tho',when does a 'remix' actually stop being a 'remix' & become a 'remake'.In the '80's when remixes really started to take off with the likes of club mixes/extended versions,they at least did consist of,or contain,most of or very recognisable elements of the original tune.Go forward to the '90's & now,& most of what constitutes a remix,turn out to be a completely new,altogether different tune entirely,so not actually a 'remix',as rather a remake.Razormaids are a case in point,that's what I would call a remix/re-edit IMO.