Rolling Stones Magazine Article

from 'Rolling Stones' Magazine...

8/2/07, 4:11 pm EST

Bernard Sumner Says New Order ‘Mate Peter Hook “Needs to Chill Out”

Last week New Order bassist Peter Hook shocked fans by lashing out at his bandmates on his blog and announcing the group had broken up (in something resembling Courtney Love speak): “You are no more new order than i am! You may have two thirds but dont assume you have the rights to do anything NEW ordery cos you dont ive still got a third!”

New Order guitarist Bernard Sumner — who hasn’t seen Hook since the group toured South America last November — was as surprised as anyone who read the post. “I find it very distasteful for him to do that after all this time,” he says, checking in by telephone from England. “He should have had a meeting with us. I’m not having someone tell me that we’ve split up without consulting me first. I think that’s very arrogant.”

Sumner is unsure whether he and drummer Stephen Morris will continue on as New Order without Hook. “We haven’t got any plans to make any music under the guise as New Order,” Sumner says. “I’ve working on two other projects at the moment so I’m kind of busy for the next couple of years anyway.”

And Hook, he says, needs to take five: “I think that Hooky just needs to chill out a little bit and relax.” Sumner says he has no plans to reach out to his blogging bandmate to clear everything up. “He’s the guy who with the problem, so he should approach us,” he says. “We haven’t got a problem. I just don’t think he likes me, so what can you do?”

CRIKEY...

They are all at it.

Looks like the handbags are out...

sounds like a pretty reasoned response compared to cap'n hook

What are the other projects that bernard is working on does anybody know ?

I heard a rumor that he is producing the new DOVES album, but don't take my word for it.

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: sounds like a pretty reasoned response compared to cap'n hook

Yah, I kind of like this response. That's how I understood the first press release from Barney and Steve, that New Order hasn't split yet because they haven't decided on anything. It doesn't mean that Barney and Steve have plans for New Order without Hooky either. It simply means that Hooky can't decide by himself. I understood that all along.

Canuck21 wrote:

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: sounds like a pretty reasoned response compared to cap'n hook

Yah, I kind of like this response. That's how I understood the first press release from Barney and Steve, that New Order hasn't split yet because they haven't decided on anything. It doesn't mean that Barney and Steve have plans for New Order without Hooky either. It simply means that Hooky can't decide by himself. I understood that all along.

C'mon, you've seen that before with people in relationships... two people have disputes/conflicts...one person acts pissed in response and the other person then acts all innocent like "i don't know what the problem is, must be he doesn't like me, I'm above that, like whatever, i've got other prospects" etc...

Obviously communication has broken down between them for a long time.

so is not sure Barney and Steve will work as New Order

i was waiting for Barney's answer, well..no he confirms that all is about hooky's problems

We all can RELAX now: at least no new material, no concerts from New Order should be expected for years. Bad but that's another "hiatus".

Keep fingers crossed for a new Electronic album in 2008, a Freebass EP in 2009; and when we'll all be well in our 50s, we'll get a New Order box with unreleased demos. :\ohwell:

“I find it very distasteful for him to do that after all this time,” he says"

Right on the money.....After overcoming adversity and becoming New Order, to end their brotherhood in such an ugly fashion is depressing. I do think that in a few years they will all reconcile, however.....

J

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: sounds like a pretty reasoned response compared to cap'n hook

Ditto. Curious though that it was Rolling Stone, they don't pay much attention to New Order. Just hope it doesn't escalate into a real war of words, and thankfully it seems Bernard isn't too keen on elaborating further.

pumped full of drugs wrote: C'mon, you've seen that before with people in relationships... two people have disputes/conflicts...one person acts pissed in response and the other person then acts all innocent like "i don't know what the problem is, must be he doesn't like me, I'm above that, like whatever, i've got other prospects" etc...

Obviously communication has broken down between them for a long time.

I'm not saying that Barney is right and Hooky is wrong. I have no clue who's the good guy and who's the bad guy. I was strictly talking about the band's status. After the Barney-Steve press release, everyone thought that they'd decided to continue as New Order without Hooky. I knew that's not what they meant. They're just saying that whatever will happen to New Order should be decided by ALL of them. The reason behind the conflict is another story.

Blimey

If this is legit',it's just getting fookin' worse now,it's fookin' handbags.Like I've said before,this is affecting the bands' standing,from respected,cool & enigmatic to just being regarded as pathetic in some parts.Tho',again,as for slagging off Hooky,another perspective is don't you think it's easy,& plausible,for someone to load the gun,let someone else fire it,& then sit back & watch how much trouble it causes? There has to be a reason why Barney says that Hooky doesn't like him,& remembering what was going on in '93,I think there's more reason for believing the problem lies with Barney rather than Hooky,IMO.& with Hookys' character being the more volatile,there you go.I just don't know,it's all opinion & second guessing.& shit

What's the use in complaining when no one is listening.

What's the use in complaining when no one is listening.

I see some people saying that this article confirms that "it's all Hooky's problems". I have to disagree with that. Now it's clear to me that Steve and Bernard don't want to go on, they just didn't like that Hooky was the one to turn that public like it was just his decision.

Remember Hook said that everybody knew about the split since February. I sincerely think that he is not lying. To me it's just Bernard's ego saying "He can't finish my band, I finish my band!!!"

I DEFINITELY did.

Still do really.

"he doesn't like me"

well he does KNOW you very well.

Igor wrote: I see some people saying that this article confirms that "it's all Hooky's problems". I have to disagree with that. Now it's clear to me that Steve and Bernard don't want to go on, they just didn't like that Hooky was the one to turn that public like it was just his decision.

Remember Hook said that everybody knew about the split since February. I sincerely think that he is not lying. To me it's just Bernard's ego saying "He can't finish my band, I finish my band!!!"

Well its confirmed on my end that this is probably more Barney's fault. The one that acts pretentious about not knowing what is going on, is usually the one that caused the issue. Hooky's been honest (though to a degree I haven't liked), but Barney is full of shite.

Sounds like an arguement of "MY BALL!!!!"

But for the love of god hooky, don't follow up on yer blog with anything more!

To quote the only man who managed to leave the band and didn't have a load of bickering going on afterwards......

"who is right, who can tell and who gives a damn right now"

Whatever the rights and wrongs of what has been said by the band members, it's happened. We'll get over it. Absolutely no point in anyone from here blaming anyone or taking sides, there will be at least two "truths" out there. Let them sort it out in peace, if they want to.

ally wrote:

EdelBrock wrote: Well its confirmed on my end that this is probably more Barney's fault. The one that acts pretentious about not knowing what is going on, is usually the one that caused the issue. Hooky's been honest (though to a degree I haven't liked), but Barney is full of shite.

At the end of the day, everything you typed above is pure speculation. As Jack has repeated numerous times nobody really knows what went on. That cuts both ways and shouldn't serve to canonise Hooky while at the same time condemning Barney.

I didn't find Barney's statement pretentious, seemed pretty straightforward to me.

A small section of New Order fans seem to childishly think Barney is a wanker because he isn't as gregarious as Hooky when it comes to dealing with the fans (see Cambo's misguided reply). This whole "Hooky gave me a hug once and Barney's never done anything like that for the fans" attitude is simplistic bollocks and I suspect most of you know that.

It's certainly not enough of a reason to think you can accurately assign sole blame to either Hooky or Barney unless you're really in the know (I.e. Jack).

The sycophants are indeed taking over the asylum

Thanks for reminding me about everyone acting childish over this, considering I was the first one to bring that idea into this discussion....

but you can usually tell by how one acts, who is at fault in an arguement...granted I'm sure Hooky holds some part of the blame...but Barney's article screams of pretentious crap.

and no I don't side with Hooky for any other reason, as you stated above. People aren't that hard to figure out....you don't have to know ALL the info to figure out who is more to blame...thier reactions do that work for you.

New Order guitarist Bernard Sumner — who hasn’t seen Hook since the group toured South America last November — was as surprised as anyone who read the post

I wonder who fucked that one up, Barney and his teleprompter memory or the idiot journalist.

Nothing misguided in thinking Barney's hard to live with.

I'd have left in about 1979

I just think it's all a big wind up now. Given the way they've talked about the first hiatus with a lot of good humour, I just they're having a big laugh with the media (and consequently us) in general. It's like a reversal of their early days where they hardly said a thing all year but the journos wrote tons anyway. It all makes for extra sh1t-stirring leading up to Anton's film's UK release.

They can do whatever they like. Fall out. Kiss & Make Up. Wind us up. For all I care, Hooky can join Queens of the Stone Age, Bernard can race Ellen McArthur round the Isle of Man and back and Stephen can open a nightclub where he doesn't have to pay to get in. Anything received now after 30 odd years is a bonus.

But I do hope they all write autobiographies.

Nice picture on the new frontpage of NOOL! Barney and Hooky in each others arms. Giving us... HOPE!:)

Indeed!

It goes on - dreams never end afterall.

has hooky had some vaneers like a lot of the manc old gaurd? they look very white compared to steve's,or did he just look after them better

ally wrote:

EdelBrock wrote: Well its confirmed on my end that this is probably more Barney's fault. The one that acts pretentious about not knowing what is going on, is usually the one that caused the issue. Hooky's been honest (though to a degree I haven't liked), but Barney is full of shite.

At the end of the day, everything you typed above is pure speculation. As Jack has repeated numerous times nobody really knows what went on. That cuts both ways and shouldn't serve to canonise Hooky while at the same time condemning Barney.

I didn't find Barney's statement pretentious, seemed pretty straightforward to me.

A small section of New Order fans seem to childishly think Barney is a wanker because he isn't as gregarious as Hooky when it comes to dealing with the fans (see Cambo's misguided reply). This whole "Hooky gave me a hug once and Barney's never done anything like that for the fans" attitude is simplistic bollocks and I suspect most of you know that.

It's certainly not enough of a reason to think you can accurately assign sole blame to either Hooky or Barney unless you're really in the know (I.e. Jack).

The sycophants are indeed taking over the asylum

this is what my I try to say in all m ypostings concerning this matter...

No point in blaming anybody. It's just a shame that it's got messy. They provided the soundtrack to my life from my youth to my twenties - I thank them all for that.

i hate the word pretentious.imagine being on another message board and emo indie kids spouting out that word every five minutes.

thought the pic on the front of the webpage was awesome.

think maybe they'rejust bored with each other.driving each other batty and maybe "for realz"its time to drop it like a hot potato?

New Order, always shooting themselves in the foot. Not promoting themselves at all during their hey day, and pouring all their hard earned cash into the Hacienda.. and now this.

sad..

Barney seems to think that his "other projects" keeping him busy for a "few years anyway" will tie him over until Hooky comes to him.. the sad truth is, Hooky may not.. and where will he and New Order be?

As friends since they were little kids (yes, I've seen the grammar school banner), I'd imagine the only positive thing to do is to reach out to each other, both of them. F the media.. the media will spin even good things to bad just to make something sound more shocking to sell copies.

Like I said, they should get together and have a drink and at least be friends again about the whole thing.

They all need to get over themselves, as they aren't getting any younger and their time together to make their music is dwindling.

I think we're watching our boys (NO) fall apart! its very sad to read...i wish they would sort it all out and manage a way to carry on together. whats wrong with compromise, thats a part of life none of us can avoid...things could always be worse boys.

Hooky says that Bernard and Steve are 2/3 of New Order, is he intending to kill Gillian?

oldmonkey wrote: To quote the only man who managed to leave the band and didn't have a load of bickering going on afterwards......

"who is right, who can tell and who gives a damn right now"

Whatever the rights and wrongs of what has been said by the band members, it's happened. We'll get over it. Absolutely no point in anyone from here blaming anyone or taking sides, there will be at least two "truths" out there. Let them sort it out in peace, if they want to.

Good Shout !

Let the Band sort it out.....I think we are all sure that it will come good again in the end.

Big Mouth Julio wrote: Hooky says that Bernard and Steve are 2/3 of New Order, is he intending to kill Gillian?

Hooky, Bernard, and Steve were the surviving members of Joy Division, the original three. Gillian left on her own, so maybe Hooky lumps here with Steve as "a third".

While it is very understandable that Phil is not given equal treatment in "ownership" of New Order, I wonder if anybody is telling him anything, at least out of respect, or just ignoring Phil? I'm sure he has figured out by now that he should be looking for other work.

"Sumner says. “I’ve working on two other projects at the moment so I’m kind of busy for the next couple of years anyway.”... kinda sounds like Bernard had already blow off his role in New Order for now, and had no intentions of finishing the next New Order album, hence maybe part of Hooky's irritation.

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote:

Igor wrote: I see some people saying that this article confirms that "it's all Hooky's problems". I have to disagree with that. Now it's clear to me that Steve and Bernard don't want to go on, they just didn't like that Hooky was the one to turn that public like it was just his decision.

Remember Hook said that everybody knew about the split since February. I sincerely think that he is not lying. To me it's just Bernard's ego saying "He can't finish my band, I finish my band!!!"

I'm starting to see the light now. Hooky's big mouth, Barney's huge ego. I'm now waiting for Steve's comment.

Steve will say something silly.

I dunno, I find it hard to accept that Steve may have bothered Hooky too, but it may be the case. I just can't imagine what "evil steve" would be like.

Like I said above, he APPEARS to be the sort that as long as someone remembers to put the seat on his drumstool[1], doesn't give a fuck.

I'm still not really accepting how quickly folks have turned on Hooky. I'm hardly over the moon about what (or at least how) he's said and done, but there are two other massive factors for me......SOMETHING CAUSED him to be so angry. And secondly, even without reading Jack's "statement of the obvious for the terminally daft", even without enumerating and cataloging the things that make Hooky quite different not only from the remainder of NO, but also from most other well known musicians, surely anyone who's been into NO as long as some of us old cunts have, must have, at some gut level, a bit of bloody FAITH in the man.

Even if everything was entirely his fault, surely he's earned the same rights as your good mate who took a strop and called you a whorebag twat, a blind eye sort of thing?

Look, NO bugger is comfortable with what he's said, I'm certainly not, FFS I'm sure even HE's not comfortable with it. And saying that is fair enough (didn't see Jack or Heather handing our 2nd arseholes to anyone for it either), but this vitriol that a few folks are spouting, usually with a sniff of hollier than thou thrown in.....seriously WTF??????

What are J+H supposed to think reading this.......their fucking dad who's made ALL our lives better with his music (and often his wit), getting slagged half to death? I'm embarrassed for them and for us, but not half as embarrassed as I feel when I think of the man himself reading it.

As Jack keeps pointing out. NONE of US know the truth of everything that's gone on, and without that information, we cannot judge (as if we had a right to!!).

And yelling "tell us, tell us", that's just daft, how can he? yer asking a son to violate his dad's trust and privacy to satisfy a bunch of netcunts? How can Hooky, when things look like they could get letigious, when anything more than he's already said will just makes things, both in the band, and among the more excitable fans, even fucking harder???

Am I a suck up or a sycophant? well I dunno.....dya think if I say nice things about him, Hooky will give me his bass? FUCK RIGHT OFF!

[1] If unfamilliar with drumstool design, google for pics

from a psycho analyst's perspective it's not the healthiest thing for teenage kids if they are in a forum concerning their dad's "work".

nothing wrong with taking care of them, but remember maybe Barney's kids are reading this too.

Doctor? wrote: Steve will say something silly.

I dunno, I find it hard to accept that Steve may have bothered Hooky too, but it may be the case. I just can't imagine what "evil steve" would be like.

Like I said above, he APPEARS to be the sort that as long as someone remembers to put the seat on his drumstool[1], doesn't give a fuck.

I'm still not really accepting how quickly folks have turned on Hooky. I'm hardly over the moon about what (or at least how) he's said and done, but there are two other massive factors for me......SOMETHING CAUSED him to be so angry. And secondly, even without reading Jack's "statement of the obvious for the terminally daft", even without enumerating and cataloging the things that make Hooky quite different not only from the remainder of NO, but also from most other well known musicians, surely anyone who's been into NO as long as some of us old cunts have, must have, at some gut level, a bit of bloody FAITH in the man.

Even if everything was entirely his fault, surely he's earned the same rights as your good mate who took a strop and called you a whorebag twat, a blind eye sort of thing?

Look, NO bugger is comfortable with what he's said, I'm certainly not, FFS I'm sure even HE's not comfortable with it. And saying that is fair enough (didn't see Jack or Heather handing our 2nd arseholes to anyone for it either), but this vitriol that a few folks are spouting, usually with a sniff of hollier than thou thrown in.....seriously WTF??????

What are J+H supposed to think reading this.......their fucking dad who's made ALL our lives better with his music (and often his wit), getting slagged half to death? I'm embarrassed for them and for us, but not half as embarrassed as I feel when I think of the man himself reading it.

As Jack keeps pointing out. NONE of US know the truth of everything that's gone on, and without that information, we cannot judge (as if we had a right to!!).

And yelling "tell us, tell us", that's just daft, how can he? yer asking a son to violate his dad's trust and privacy to satisfy a bunch of netcunts? How can Hooky, when things look like they could get letigious, when anything more than he's already said will just makes things, both in the band, and among the more excitable fans, even fucking harder???

Am I a suck up or a sycophant? well I dunno.....dya think if I say nice things about him, Hooky will give me his bass? FUCK RIGHT OFF!

[1] If unfamilliar with drumstool design, google for pics

Well put Doctor, you've raised some interesting points there. Cheers!

I don't want to comment. I think more people should take that stance.

NOOLigan wrote: I don't want to comment. I think more people should take that stance.

ally wrote:

NOOLigan wrote: I don't want to comment. I think more people should take that stance.

You're commenting to let us know you don't want to comment?

Aside from that, use your grey matter Ron. It's a relatively big event in the New Order calender; the band calling it a day for good. Especially under such acrimony, do you seriously expect the forums to be silent?

These boards would be deadly dull to visit if everyone "chose not to comment".

Besides, if anyone in the band seriously give two fcuks about what any twat on these boards has to say (aside from Jack, natch) then never mind Hooky but Barney and Steve should probably call it a day for good as well.

well do we know the full story? no we don't. hence anything here other than the blogs is speculation, and people are so quick to apportion blame.

and yes I am using my noggin.

im in utter confusion as to what is going on

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: Check it out Beavis...he said CONFUSION!!!

There are doubts even here that he meant to do that, I mean really Jeff, that's just a primative notion.

El Jarvo wrote:

Doctor? wrote: I'm still not really accepting how quickly folks have turned on Hooky.

Human nature. Innit?

At the end of the day I follow 'New Order'.

Hooky doesn't want to be in 'New Order' anymore and, indeed, now no longer wants 'New Order' to carry on as a brand.

What is there to like in that?!

I don't think Hooky's my 'best mate' like half of this forum appear to so if people want to air their grievances about him, let them.

And he's not 'your mate' either Cambo, so I don't see why you're getting so righteous over this one.

I didn't think I was being all righteous. At any rate, I wasn't talking about people not liking it, I was talking about people demonizing him to an extent. As you say though, human nature.

I'm hardly fuckin thrilled about the situation, as has been said elsewhere, the whole of NO is infinitely more than the sum of it's parts, and nothing any of them do in isolation is going to be half as good.

Dear fellows,

In my point of view this "elaborated crisis" is just a strategy to capitalize in the years to come...I mean New Order has just made a great job in the Latest Waiting for The Sir....it does not make sense or marketing or publicity or money to launch a new one now or in a couple of years...Come on....the greatest Manchester guys are in the age of 50´s.. do not have the same energy as in the past......... So let´s wait another 5 years and we´re going to be surprised with New Order again...I´ll be very happy and greatfull with my 50´s coming and still listenning new stuff of New Order.. Let´s wait and see I bet on that... Best Regards Ed

I go on holiday leaving New Order in trouble, I come back and it's even worse. Well, at least Bernard has finally said something. It's good to know he's working on new projects. I've been hearing a lot of Electronic during my holidays, after years of forgetting them, they were much better than I remembered. Actually I loved all their albums back on their release, it's just that I kinda tended to forget them in favour of New Order and mantained better memories of Revenge, but they were almost as good as Revenge really. Often their best songs are better than an average New Order song... So I'm really looking forward for something new from Bernard. And I'm really looking forward to hear Freebass, especially if Robbie Williams joins for a couple of tracks, I think he'd just sound right in a band like that. Let's just look forward. Bernard is right when he says Hooky needs to chill out, though childish when saying if he wants to sort it out he has to make the first step. I'd just like to say I don't think Barney and Steve carrying on as New Order is a good idea, and Hooky even thinking about negotiating with them to get money to authorize them to do so is an even worse idea. Whatever, I don't care anymore. New Order are dead (as we used to know them - Barney'n'Hook - at least), though they could resurrect in a distant future. We probably won't ever know the whole truth. I'd just like to hear the finished songs from the planned follow up to WTFSC. If there aren't any, I just want to hear new music from Bernard and Peter, whatever their projects' names are. After all, it's their music coming from these earphones, not their difficult relationships... ON TO THE MUSIC

I SAY WE ALL MARCH RIGHT ON OVER TO THEIR HOMES AND ASK THEM TO REFORM! WHO'S WITH ME!!!!?????

EdelBrock wrote: I SAY WE ALL MARCH RIGHT ON OVER TO THEIR HOMES AND ASK THEM TO REFORM! WHO'S WITH ME!!!!?????

But they dont live in a windmill.

Burt Reynolds wrote:

EdelBrock wrote: I SAY WE ALL MARCH RIGHT ON OVER TO THEIR HOMES AND ASK THEM TO REFORM! WHO'S WITH ME!!!!?????

But they dont live in a windmill.

So yer telling me they DON'T live at the studio they recorded Brotherhood????

Screw it, the mob wants PAY BACK! let's burn the ol' sucker down anyways

Hooky says that Bernard and Steve are 2/3 of New Order, is he intending to kill Gillian?

Hook forgot about her...since she is out so long

and when we'll all be well in our 50s, we'll get a New Order box with unreleased demos.

ally wrote:

EdelBrock wrote: Well its confirmed on my end that this is probably more Barney's fault. The one that acts pretentious about not knowing what is going on, is usually the one that caused the issue. Hooky's been honest (though to a degree I haven't liked), but Barney is full of shite.

At the end of the day, everything you typed above is pure speculation. As Jack has repeated numerous times nobody really knows what went on. That cuts both ways and shouldn't serve to canonise Hooky while at the same time condemning Barney.

I didn't find Barney's statement pretentious, seemed pretty straightforward to me.

A small section of New Order fans seem to childishly think Barney is a wanker because he isn't as gregarious as Hooky when it comes to dealing with the fans (see Cambo's misguided reply). This whole "Hooky gave me a hug once and Barney's never done anything like that for the fans" attitude is simplistic bollocks and I suspect most of you know that.

It's certainly not enough of a reason to think you can accurately assign sole blame to either Hooky or Barney unless you're really in the know (I.e. Jack).

The sycophants are indeed taking over the asylum

I think one can understand both points. There does seem to be a consensus that it was usually bernard who was one way, while the other three were another in the eighties/early nineties. At least that is the sense i got, certainly not factual evidence, but certainly evidence of the circumstantial sort.

Today, I get the sense that the problem is what it has always been, Barney and Peter are basically the leaders of the band and both couldn't be more different in terms of temperment and in terms of communication styles, and because of this, it appears inevitable that they will begin to break apart eventually quite consistently whenever they spend too long together. What shocks me is that they were able to hold it together throughout their twenties, basically '76-'89, considering the temperments and communication styles and basic personalities I would've imagine they would have imploded rather early, perhaps Ian's death cemented a bond that might have broken instead if he had lived? Pure speculation of course, I'm not sure, but I do think that noone is at fault for this. The truth really seems to be that this was in many ways like a marriage, between two people who might care for eachother deeply, but also might be so fundamentally different in their personalities that eventually it was inevitable that things would fall to pieces.

I've never been sure how Stephen and in the past Gillian fit in, though I think "The Other two" is a bit suggestive. How it impacted things when it became essentially three founders working with a rented scrub (Phil) maybe have hurt a balance there as well, or hell it may have helped too. That is the thing about them basically being 50, when you reach that age, it's a time period in which you basically run one of two ways, like in a marriage that is stalled, you think "Im comfortable, if a bit unhappy at times, but I also know how to let things go and deal so I'll just find my joy", and then there is also, "Im 50, Im more than halfway done, Ive put 20+ years into this shit, I'm past this and want to find my own way and do my own thing and not deal with the nonsense anymore", and it does sound like they basically went the latter way.

Of course this is pure speculation, and theorizing, nothing based in a core reality necessarily, just me thinking out loud about it.

Big Mouth Julio wrote: Hooky says that Bernard and Steve are 2/3 of New Order, is he intending to kill Gillian?

We all have to be careful now on what we post here. NME is watching/reading our posts. You might be referred/quoted as Big Mouth Julio the Wierdo on their next issue.

Indeed*!*