Joy Division Re-Issues. September 10th 2007

Reported on XFM as "Good News for Joy Division Fans"

Good news for London Records more like

XFM news story

First person to spot any shoddiness in the artwork, track-listings, liner notes, etc. wins £40...

Snorri xxx

LWTUA to be re released as a single too - No 1 for 17 weeks then eh?

Waste of time and do we really need yet another ropey live version of Colony or Glass from 1978?

...all the gigs are from 1980.

The thing is, the original albums are in dire need of a remastering/repackaging, the London cheapies look horrible plus there's no official vinyl release available, the extra discs are a bonus rather than an end in themselves.

ally wrote: Waste of time and do we really need yet another ropey live version of Colony or Glass from 1978?

It would be quite a feat to find a live version of Colony from 1978, given that it didn't exist then.

Can we can an anorak smilie?

ally wrote:

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: It would be quite a feat to find a live version of Colony from 1978, given that it didn't exist then.

Can we can an anorak smilie?

I just knew someone would correct that

I'll check a gigography next time, sir!

Just hope no-one quotes you on that Skullcruncher...

Snorri xxx

The full live album tracklisting is as follows:

'Live at High Wycombe' and 'Still'

1. 'Isolation'
2. 'The Eternal'
3. 'Ice Age'
4. 'Disorder'
5. 'The Sound Of Music'
6. 'The Eternal'
7. 'The Sound Of Music' (sound check)
8. 'A Means To An End'
9. 'Colony'
10. '24 Hours'
11. 'Isoloation'
12. 'Love Will Tear Us Apart'
13. 'Disorder'
14. 'Atrocity Exhibition'

Lve at ULU and 'Closer'

1. 'Dead Souls'
2. 'Glass'
3. 'A Means To An End'
4. '24 Hours'
5. 'Shadowplay'
6. 'Insight'
7. 'Colony'
8. 'These Days'
9. 'Love Will Tear Us Apart'
10. 'Isolation'
11. 'The Eternal'
12. 'Digital'

Live at Factory Manchester and The Moonlight Club, Westhampstead and 'Unknown Pleasures'

1. 'Dead Souls'
2. 'The Only Mistake'
3. 'Insight'
4. 'Candidate'
5. 'Wilderness'
6. 'She's Lost Control'
7. 'Shadowplay'
8. 'Disorder'
9. 'Interzone'
10. 'Atrocity Exhibition'
11. 'Novelty'
12. 'Transmission'
13. 'Novelty' (Mono)
14. 'Transmission' (Mono)
15. 'Love Will Tear Us Apart'
16. 'Glass'

Indeed*!*

LeggyD wrote: Reported on XFM as "Good News for Joy Division Fans"

Good news for London Records more like

XFM news story

I think, the rights are at Universal Music, now.

UNIVERSAL MUSIC TO ADMINISTER JOY DIVISION CATALOGUE WORLDWIDE

New publishing agreement for iconic band ahead of Curtis film

London, February 26, 2007 – Universal Music Publishing Group (UMPG) has signed a new, long-term, exclusive agreement to administer the songs of Joy Division, one of Britain’s most influential, iconic bands of the past 30 years.

The worldwide deal to represent the group’s music publishing catalogue includes such Joy Division copyrights as “Love Will Tear Us Apart,” “Atmosphere” and “She’s Lost Control,” authored by band members Ian Curtis, Peter Hook, Stephen Morris and Bernard Sumner.

The announcement coincides with the thirtieth anniversary of Joy Division’s formation in Manchester. It anticipates the September 2007 release by Momentum Pictures of Control, Anton Corbijn’s biographical film about the late Ian Curtis, the band’s leader. This is based on Touching from a Distance, written by Curtis’ widow, Deborah, who is also a co-producer of the film.

The publishing agreement was announced today by Paul Connolly, President, Europe, and Managing Director, U.K., for Universal Music Publishing Group, and Darryl Watts, Senior A&R Manager, Universal Music Publishing U.K. Connolly commented, “The songs of Joy Division define an era in British music, yet continue to resonate strongly with today’s musicians and audiences. We’re very proud to represent such a landmark catalogue, and look forward to making it even more popular in future.”

Universal Music Publishing Group will administer the Joy Division song catalogue worldwide, including its representation for synchronisation licensing for film, TV, and advertising. The company intends to aggressively promote the catalogue through all such media.

“We’re delighted to be working with Universal Music Publishing on the Joy Division catalogue,” said Rebecca Boulton of Prime Management, which represents Joy Division and New Order. “The team has demonstrated their appreciation of this unique music, and an extensive commitment to taking it to a greater audience. With the release of a major feature film, documentary and associated albums, 2007 is going to be a huge year for Joy Division.”

ShedJacker wrote: LWTUA to be re released as a single too - No 1 for 17 weeks then eh?

No. 16 weeks only. The other week goes to Freebase.

Indeed*!*

London records put the music out, Universal represents the publishing. They're different things.

I forgot to mention, so no Twenty Four Hours "missing CD track" from Still? Does anyone have an mp3 of this who is generous enough to send me a copy? PM me.

Thanks, indeed*!*

What about the singles and b-sides? I didn't see Substance on that list of reissues. Do you suppose they will be added to the albums as bonus tracks?

...."Universal Music Publishing Group will administer the Joy Division song catalogue worldwide, including its representation for synchronisation licensing for film, TV, and advertising. The company intends to aggressively promote the catalogue through all such media."

God help us. I'll be able to buy the IKEA/Ian Curtis 'Macclesfield 80' Kitchen Range to go with my Joy Division oven gloves.

Where's Rob when you need him.

Will Barney and Steve go on Richard And Judy to promote it? Ace

i am a bigger JD fan than a NO fan...so...to have a nicer,i guesss you could say better versions of all the jd material would be nice.i don't have the heart and soul box set so...

Curious to know if these are the best known taped gigs that could accompany the reissues.

Some of the best, certainly. I'm disappointed that they have chosen the Factory July 79 performance again, we already had that on Heart and Soul, they could have picked the YMCA or Futurama from a similar era. ULU and High Wycombe are definitely representative of the Closer era.

oldmonkey wrote: Some of the best, certainly. I'm disappointed that they have chosen the Factory July 79 performance again, we already had that on Heart and Soul, they could have picked the YMCA or Futurama from a similar era. ULU and High Wycombe are definitely representative of the Closer era.

The full Lyceum and Ajanta shows would've been nice as well.

*Animadversion* wrote: i am a bigger JD fan than a NO fan...so...to have a nicer,i guesss you could say better versions of all the jd material would be nice.i don't have the heart and soul box set so...

Look, I don't have Heart & Soul either (pricey). And I was a Joy Division fan first (I didn't even hear of New Order at the time).

His Holiness, The Pope wrote:

oldmonkey wrote: Some of the best, certainly. I'm disappointed that they have chosen the Factory July 79 performance again, we already had that on Heart and Soul, they could have picked the YMCA or Futurama from a similar era. ULU and High Wycombe are definitely representative of the Closer era.

The full Lyceum and Ajanta shows would've been nice as well.

It disappoints me that they're rehashing some of the bonus material. What I always appreciated in JD's catalogue was a sense of distribution, Still and Substance only overlapping on two tracks, and H&S offering plenty of good stuff in addition to the high quality remasters of the albums and singles/et al. (Permanent being the anomoly in the back catalogue.)

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*Animadversion* wrote: i am a bigger JD fan than a NO fan...so...to have a nicer,i guesss you could say better versions of all the jd material would be nice.i don't have the heart and soul box set so...

Look, I don't have Heart & Soul either (pricey). And I was a Joy Division fan first (I didn't even hear of New Order at the time).

Well,i'll always be a jd fan more so than a NO fan, just the way its always been. i remember NO as a wee bit of a child cos of the radio stations here in america playing blt,tf,and blue monday.not sure what you meant.but its jd for me...:)

Must admit I can't understand it, I cannot see the point of chucking that Factory club gig out again, it's been released on Heart and Soul, and various tracks made it onto the flipside of Atmosphere when it was re-released. The only song worth releasing from it now would be the one they omitted from Heart and Soul. It's very disappointing, especially at a time when there are so many other recordings available. It's not even that good a gig!

oldmonkey wrote: Must admit I can't understand it, I cannot see the point of chucking that Factory club gig out again, it's been released on Heart and Soul, and various tracks made it onto the flipside of Atmosphere when it was re-released. The only song worth releasing from it now would be the one they omitted from Heart and Soul. It's very disappointing, especially at a time when there are so many other recordings available. It's not even that good a gig!

Second that. Bernard and Peter aren't really in tune with each other, and Ian's vocals aren't the best either. Energy wise it's cool, and 'The Only Mistake' has a kind of PiLesque noise jam vibe, but it's no LBD. I mean I like the concert, but when I want some JD live, it's not the one I reach for first.

Tim, out of curiosity, which concerts would you pick to accompany Movement, PCL and Low-Life, if they were ever to be reissued?

"Re-issue ! re-package ! re-package ! Re-evaluate the songs Double-pack with a photograph Extra track (and a tacky badge)"

Hmmm

ShedJacker wrote: "Re-issue ! re-package ! re-package ! Re-evaluate the songs Double-pack with a photograph Extra track (and a tacky badge)"

Hmmm

don't think this lyric fits in that case. there are so many bootlegs with JD vinyl now spinning around and the originals going for mad prices on eBay (Closer anyone for 35 quids!?! , that these reissues are somehow necessary in a changed market. all people would complain if the remastered CDs didn't include some bonus material, as we all know Joy Division haven't recorded too many tracks, so live material is the best solution. or do you want remixes or stick with the stabby London reissue CDs?

joe davola wrote:

ShedJacker wrote: "Re-issue ! re-package ! re-package ! Re-evaluate the songs Double-pack with a photograph Extra track (and a tacky badge)"

Hmmm

don't think this lyric fits in that case. there are so many bootlegs with JD vinyl now spinning around and the originals going for mad prices on eBay (Closer anyone for 35 quids!?! , that these reissues are somehow necessary in a changed market. all people would complain if the remastered CDs didn't include some bonus material, as we all know Joy Division haven't recorded too many tracks, so live material is the best solution. or do you want remixes or stick with the stabby London reissue CDs?

Well, the demos wouldn't be that bad choice either. Even though Hannett was a perfectionist, I'm sure there must be a lot of various versions of final masterpieces (although, it's a bit an Elvis way of marketing).

Would be worth its weight in gold if it contains the out-takes and demos of the 'Peel Sessions'

JV wrote:

Tim, out of curiosity, which concerts would you pick to accompany Movement, PCL and Low-Life, if they were ever to be reissued?

Movement would have to be one of the superb sound May 81 gigs, the whole tour saw the band at their tightest, and every one is a great show. Possibly Hamburg ahead of Stockholm and Brussels. Only problem would be that they've been heavily bootlegged apart from Brussels, which only recently surfaced, so Brussels would be a great one to release (and it contains the EGG debut).

PCL is a bit more tricky, as there aren't all that many gigs where they played most of the album. Possibly the two nights at the State Ballroom in Liverpool in March 83, they played 7 of the 8 songs on PCL plus the then new Blue Monday and various old established songs.

Low Life leaves me spoilt for choice, there are so many good ones and a few exceptional ones. Edinburgh Caley Palais, Swansea Mayfair, Irvine Meadows all in 85 contain most of the album, and it wouldn't be hard to find excellent live renditions of the other tracks. Macclesfield contained 7 of the 8 songs as well.

A combination of the Newcastle, Edinburgh and Glasgow 86 shows should see off Brotherhood.

Dufford Charleywood Returns wrote: Would be worth its weight in gold if it contains the out-takes and demos of the 'Peel Sessions'

Do any of these exist? I can't see them over at JD Central.

Did they play as a band or build them up track by track?

As they only had one day to record the session I assumed that what was broadcast was all that was produced, but I'm willing to be proved wrong.

Nope, they don't exist. The JD Peel sessions were all recorded live in the BBC studios, there aren't alternative or demo versions. The second NO Peel session was recorded by them elsewhere and sent to Peel.

oldmonkey wrote: Nope, they don't exist. The JD Peel sessions were all recorded live in the BBC studios, there aren't alternative or demo versions. The second NO Peel session was recorded by them elsewhere and sent to Peel.

It's a common misconception that Peel sessions were recorded "live" in the BBC studios. In most cases, tracks (typically four) would be recorded with (usually) a BBC producer and engineer over the course of a day in the BBC's studios. These short recording sessions would take place a week or so before the broadcast date.

Very few sessions recorded for the John Peel show were recorded live at the time of broadcast; still fewer were recorded in front of an audience, and the vast majority took the form of the "quick demo" session, as outlined above.

Admittedly, many bands would prefer to record their tracks basically live, and then re-take and overdub various elements, but it's best not to think of these as "live" recordings.

It's out of print now, but if you can find a copy of Ken Garner's fascinating 1993 book "In Session Tonight" (BBC Books, London - ISBN-10: 0563364521 / ISBN-13: 978-0563364528) you'll be able to find out just why the BBC started recording artist sessions in the first place, along with a wealth of material about each session recorded until 1992 or so.

There's a copy here, if you don't mind paying a bit over the odds:

Amazon.co.uk

Which is what I meant, recorded (often as a live take without much need for overdubs) in the BBC studios and then broadcast a few days later, rather than being actually performed live while Peel was on air, which would of course explain the difference between the "recording date" and the "broadcast date". Does anyone actually believe that they were live in the studio on the night?

oldmonkey wrote: Does anyone actually believe that they were live in the studio on the night?

You'd be surprised how many times I've seen this on various sites and forums for many different bands!

I think that sometimes the problem stems from non-UK fans not realising that John Peel's show went out late at night for most of his years on air.

Love Will Tear Us Apart-CDS [HMV-Japan]

1 Love Will Tear Us Apart (Original) 2 Love Will Tear Us Apart (Radio) 3 Atmosphere

Release:9/24

Tokoloshe Man wrote: Love Will Tear Us Apart-CDS [HMV-Japan]

1 Love Will Tear Us Apart (Original) 2 Love Will Tear Us Apart (Radio) 3 Atmosphere

Release:9/24

What is that? Re-issue of Love Will Tear Us Apart-95??

Indeed*!*

JV wrote:

Bernard and Peter aren't really in tune with each other

So the split started all those years ago, then?

Release dates (from this week's Music Week which has numerous pages/adverts both on Tony Wilson and Joy Division/New Order - probably about 8 pages in all):

September:

10th - Unknown Pleasures/Closer/Still remastered

• Remastered CD/180g Vinyl/iTunes
• Album box set of all 3 albums
• Each album will be accompanied by extended sleeve notes and a live disc.
• Unknown Pleasures: Live at Factory
• Closer: Live at ULU
• Still: Live at High Wycombe

mid-September

• "Joy Division" - feature-length documentary to debut at Toronto Film Festival
• Written by Jon Savage, directed by Grant Lee
• Poster designed by Peter Saville (who is also art director)

17th - Love Will Tear Us Apart (single)

• 7" vinyl & CD single

October

1st - Control - Original Soundtrack Album 5th - Control - UK Release in cinemas

January 2008

• Control UK DVD Release

Early 2008

• "Joy Division" documentary - UK Release to cinemas

So, start saving your pennies!