Joy Division Re-Issues. September 10th 2007

Would be worth its weight in gold if it contains the out-takes and demos of the 'Peel Sessions'

JV wrote:

Tim, out of curiosity, which concerts would you pick to accompany Movement, PCL and Low-Life, if they were ever to be reissued?

Movement would have to be one of the superb sound May 81 gigs, the whole tour saw the band at their tightest, and every one is a great show. Possibly Hamburg ahead of Stockholm and Brussels. Only problem would be that they've been heavily bootlegged apart from Brussels, which only recently surfaced, so Brussels would be a great one to release (and it contains the EGG debut).

PCL is a bit more tricky, as there aren't all that many gigs where they played most of the album. Possibly the two nights at the State Ballroom in Liverpool in March 83, they played 7 of the 8 songs on PCL plus the then new Blue Monday and various old established songs.

Low Life leaves me spoilt for choice, there are so many good ones and a few exceptional ones. Edinburgh Caley Palais, Swansea Mayfair, Irvine Meadows all in 85 contain most of the album, and it wouldn't be hard to find excellent live renditions of the other tracks. Macclesfield contained 7 of the 8 songs as well.

A combination of the Newcastle, Edinburgh and Glasgow 86 shows should see off Brotherhood.

Dufford Charleywood Returns wrote: Would be worth its weight in gold if it contains the out-takes and demos of the 'Peel Sessions'

Do any of these exist? I can't see them over at JD Central.

Did they play as a band or build them up track by track?

As they only had one day to record the session I assumed that what was broadcast was all that was produced, but I'm willing to be proved wrong.

Nope, they don't exist. The JD Peel sessions were all recorded live in the BBC studios, there aren't alternative or demo versions. The second NO Peel session was recorded by them elsewhere and sent to Peel.

oldmonkey wrote: Nope, they don't exist. The JD Peel sessions were all recorded live in the BBC studios, there aren't alternative or demo versions. The second NO Peel session was recorded by them elsewhere and sent to Peel.

It's a common misconception that Peel sessions were recorded "live" in the BBC studios. In most cases, tracks (typically four) would be recorded with (usually) a BBC producer and engineer over the course of a day in the BBC's studios. These short recording sessions would take place a week or so before the broadcast date.

Very few sessions recorded for the John Peel show were recorded live at the time of broadcast; still fewer were recorded in front of an audience, and the vast majority took the form of the "quick demo" session, as outlined above.

Admittedly, many bands would prefer to record their tracks basically live, and then re-take and overdub various elements, but it's best not to think of these as "live" recordings.

It's out of print now, but if you can find a copy of Ken Garner's fascinating 1993 book "In Session Tonight" (BBC Books, London - ISBN-10: 0563364521 / ISBN-13: 978-0563364528) you'll be able to find out just why the BBC started recording artist sessions in the first place, along with a wealth of material about each session recorded until 1992 or so.

There's a copy here, if you don't mind paying a bit over the odds:

Amazon.co.uk

Which is what I meant, recorded (often as a live take without much need for overdubs) in the BBC studios and then broadcast a few days later, rather than being actually performed live while Peel was on air, which would of course explain the difference between the "recording date" and the "broadcast date". Does anyone actually believe that they were live in the studio on the night?

oldmonkey wrote: Does anyone actually believe that they were live in the studio on the night?

You'd be surprised how many times I've seen this on various sites and forums for many different bands!

I think that sometimes the problem stems from non-UK fans not realising that John Peel's show went out late at night for most of his years on air.

Love Will Tear Us Apart-CDS [HMV-Japan]

1 Love Will Tear Us Apart (Original) 2 Love Will Tear Us Apart (Radio) 3 Atmosphere

Release:9/24

Tokoloshe Man wrote: Love Will Tear Us Apart-CDS [HMV-Japan]

1 Love Will Tear Us Apart (Original) 2 Love Will Tear Us Apart (Radio) 3 Atmosphere

Release:9/24

What is that? Re-issue of Love Will Tear Us Apart-95??

Indeed*!*

JV wrote:

Bernard and Peter aren't really in tune with each other

So the split started all those years ago, then?

Release dates (from this week's Music Week which has numerous pages/adverts both on Tony Wilson and Joy Division/New Order - probably about 8 pages in all):

September:

10th - Unknown Pleasures/Closer/Still remastered

• Remastered CD/180g Vinyl/iTunes
• Album box set of all 3 albums
• Each album will be accompanied by extended sleeve notes and a live disc.
• Unknown Pleasures: Live at Factory
• Closer: Live at ULU
• Still: Live at High Wycombe

mid-September

• "Joy Division" - feature-length documentary to debut at Toronto Film Festival
• Written by Jon Savage, directed by Grant Lee
• Poster designed by Peter Saville (who is also art director)

17th - Love Will Tear Us Apart (single)

• 7" vinyl & CD single

October

1st - Control - Original Soundtrack Album 5th - Control - UK Release in cinemas

January 2008

• Control UK DVD Release

Early 2008

• "Joy Division" documentary - UK Release to cinemas

So, start saving your pennies!