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Have we ever done a thread or series thereof on the subject of definitive versions?

If not, I think it could be a good laugh and extremely informative, especially in light of the numbers of mad bastards here who've seen em stupendous numbers of times. Some of you guys could perhaps put context to certain live tracks that would enhance their value as "specimens". But I, as Victor Lewis Smith would say, dye cress......

I suggest we open discussion on the subject of which performance (highly preferably, but not essentially, a recorded one) of each song is The Cannon, THE version, the one that captures exactly what the piece and the band are about. In some (but few I suspect) cases, it will be the studio version, in some, a session, in some, live and so on.

Bootleg quality and availability should be considered but not stressed about.....a killer version of a track, the only recording of which was made on a minicassette dictaphone in someone's y-fronts, should not lose out to a hi-fi sack of shit.

I'm starting THIS thread rather than the actual discussion, as I am not sure how it should be done and structured. I believe Tim has some experience in such complex multi-threaded things, and so does M. LeBlanc.

Could we do an album per thread? would that be too chaotic? Or a song per thread? too spammy?

I would suggest tentatively that we do one song per thread, but one song per week, in album and track order. Threads would be locked (or better, kicked to BCD) after 7 days, so the forum doesn't drown. Or, we could do one per week and let each thread live for 21 or 28 days, meaning only 3 or 4 "live" threads respectively.

What say you?

EDIT: eg...BM Barrowlands 85(6?), it breaks down, then SOARS....exactly architypical of the song and band at the time.

PS: the first ballsack who posts "the definitive version is always the studio version" will be shot at dawn, and subsequent supporters of this false mythology will be burried alive with the dead bugger. Just so yous know :evil4:

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The definitive version is always the studio version.

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As It Is and When It Was - Reading 93

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His Holiness, The Pope wrote: The definitive version is always the studio version.

There's always one isn't there.

Personally I think you just want to be used for necrophilia ;)

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I keep going on about doing a DVD with stuff like this, one of these days I will.

Milkshook mentions AIIWIW from Reading 93.....off the top of my head, are the verses not done in the wrong order? Which ruins it fer me. Though it was a cracking day out.

Few definitives for me...

Hurt - Studio 54 Barcelona '84 AIIWIW & Sunrise from the Hacienda '85 First Set (Whistle Test) Age Of Consent & Temptation Brixton '87 Subculture - Finsbury 1987 BLT & True Faith - Reading 98

Busy at work, will add more later :viking:

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Now then, great idea for a thread :nod: Nice one Steve!

Shug mentions Hurt in barca 84. Brilliant version and one of my favourite songs. But "better" (just personal opinion) at Paradise Garage 83 and and absolute fucking killer (the bass synth!!!!) at Paris in 1982 (if that was the FM broadcast for that year)

Thieves Like Us has to be Hacienda July 83...

I love threads like this cause it means I'm going to have a great weekend listening to old boots and then spend the rest of the time wishing I had some the gigs others will mention...

TLU thread could be busy next week guys!!! :laugh: :laugh:

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His Holiness, The Pope wrote: The definitive version is always the studio version.

Ahhhhh, so that's why Ceremony, Temptation & Confusion were all re-recorded?

:D

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A personal fav of mine is "The Perfect Kiss" from Leuven '85,

Its all in the cow bell :nod:

:thumb:

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let me get the thinking cap on......

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Gazfella wrote: A personal fav of mine is "The Perfect Kiss" from Leuven '85,

Its all in the cow bell :nod:

:thumb:

Thanks fer adding to my cowbell thread in BCD.......... *note the tone of sarcasism*

Did NO ever play any difinitive versions live???? or are we just trying to find one where Barney isn't singing TOTALLY off-key???:scratch:

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Confusion - the latino version (whatever it may be called)...

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Blue Monday - Hanley 83 BLT + Subculture - Finsbury 87 Dream Attack + Mr. Disco - (Hello) Cleveland 89 Regret - Reading 93 + 98 EGG - Bradford 84 AoC - Ayr 83 Run Wild - Oakland 05 Ceremony + YSF - Roskilde 02 WFTSC - Torino 05

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586/Temptation/EGG - Hacienda June 82

:bow:

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Guilty Partner Dec 31 1998 Ally Pally

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VANISHING POINT at GMEX late 87(?) when Barney tells the audience this is a new one but will be an oldie by the time they play it again.I don't think i ever heard them play it again.What a great gig that was until i lost my shoes in the mosh pit.Found em later though.Remember being at the side of the stage almost watching GILLIAN fiddling with the knobs whilst they played PERFECT KISS. :hat:

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EdelBrock wrote:

Gazfella wrote: A personal fav of mine is "The Perfect Kiss" from Leuven '85,

Its all in the cow bell :nod:

:thumb:

or are we just trying to find one where Barney isn't singing TOTALLY off-key???:scratch:

For me, that's part of his charm. He can't sing! That's why he's great! I can't abide good singers, boring as hell!

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Temptation from the Kilennny gig April 83.The gig was broadcast on Radio 1 just before Christmas that year and was my first time i'd heard them live.Was so addicted to the tape of the gig i used to nip home on my school lunchbreak to listen to it (didn't have a walkman back then!) .Just such a solid version of the song and great how they strip it down towards the end til it's just Steve hammering away :nod:

Everything's Gone Green from the same gig is fcukin ace too.

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