Help Iancurtis.org !!

Hi. I'm a new member, and as expected, a a huge fan of both Joy Division and New Order. I've been noticing that since the release and subsequent popularity of the Ian Curtis biopic "Control" that one of the most interesting and comprehensive web sites on chronicling Joy Division, discography and lyrics has been unavailable due to the simple fact that it's popularity means it's exceeding it's bandwidth on a regular basis. In short Iancurtis.org has been offline more than online for several months now.

Should we do something: contribute, suggest an ISP change, approach the members of the now dissolved New Order to host the site...? Just thinking out loud. I'm really not sure how to help this intrepid and devoted Joy Division fan get his site back up, so suggestions are appreciated.

I don't think I've seen a similar Joy Division site, or one so extensively researched and detailed. It would be a shame to lose it. I'm convinced most members know it well, and would agree that if anything, it's a site that shouldn't be forced to disappear, particularly now!

Failing anyone's concern, I'll try to send the web master a tenner or two, if only as a gesture of solidarity.

Thanks for your ear folks!

Maybe when he stops his policy of hoarding the rare stuff and refusing to be part of the worldwide JD trading community......

You haven't found JD Central then, by far the most detailed and accurate site on the band? Not much of a surfer are you?

This site is funded mainly by donations from the regulars, and thrives because of the message boards. All you ever get on IanCurtis.org is stuff copied from elsewhere or "look at me I own this" from Mr Walther. Maybe he should just pay for more bandwidth if he wants to show off his collection to the world?

Never heard of it meself. And why is it a '.org'. Is it a registered charitable organisation or something?

Joy Division Central changed to joydiv.org sometime over the summer. It is by far the most thorough and accurate JD site, though some of the layout graphics are rather dated.

Well, thanks for the pointers. I was completely oblivious to the political controversy surrounding Iancurtis.org... forgive my lack of preventative cynicism.

As for not surfing much... hmmmm, perhaps not, there are only so many web sites one can visit since connecting to the web in 1994... sorry if I missed a few, or overlooked the back stories indicating whom I should and shouldn't like.

I prefer to get my lyrics from decent fan sites, not commercial lyrics reproduction sites that are cheap vehicles for ads. I found Iancurtis.org seemed to have a great site, and felt no need to ferret out another.

Again, thanks for the info. I had no idea I was opening up such a can of worms.

Well he may have rare stuff but he hasn't got Ian's Kitchen Table, cuz my printers on it right now!!!!

Yeh,& he doesn't live round the corner from Ians' mum either...he's nothing....

Spotnick wrote:

JV wrote: Joy Division Central changed to joydiv.org sometime over the summer. It is by far the most thorough and accurate JD site, though some of the layout graphics are rather dated.

Well, I try, but obviously I'm missing stuff.

It's not a criticism of the Joy Division info here. This is certainly the superior New Order site by a country mile, and it's layout looks great. The effort to be comprehensive is well and truly appreciated.

Strange first post though wasn't it? "Hey guys, why don't you all give money to what could be seen as a rival site to help pay for its bandwidth?"

Hang yer heid in shame mate

Seriously though, don't worry about yer introduction to this site, as is pointed out in Barney's book, this forum has a ner ner ner-ner-ner culture....... You'll get used to Tim :D

Thanks for the heads up. Consider my first post, and this topic closed. In spite of the somewhat prickly welcome, I'm still glad I joined. And for the record I am quite familiar with Joydivision.org, and it is exceptionally rich in information and detail, but I did want to find a single comprehensive site with all of the band's lyrics, cross-referenced with releases and alternative versions, etc.. So until I do find another, Iancurtis.org, with all of its heinous, unmentionable practices and socially destabilizing criminal activity remains the only obvious choice. Rest assured I'll not send its webmaster a single penny, or even a Christmas card.

oldmonkey wrote: Strange first post though wasn't it? "Hey guys, why don't you all give money to what could be seen as a rival site to help pay for its bandwidth?"

Rival? I thought this was a like-minded community of fans? And, I'll repeat, I was ignorant of (and blissfully so) of the backstory and politics surrounding the deviant and evil machinations of Iancurtis.org. Honestly, I'd have likely suggested that others help this web site if it was experiencing the same problems. I can see your point, and can probably stretch my wee brain to try and comprehend all the reasons why this other web site seems to engender so much disdain, so I'll defer to your experience. Seriously. But, now that I'm in the know and have been properly scolded for my naiveté, I'll once again propose that this topic be closed.

Tell you what pal, cut the sarcasm out and pin yer lugs back for a second.

The guy who runs Ian Curtis.org is renowned as a hoarder who buys everything remotely connected to JD up whenever it becomes available, often at inflated prices, as his own private collection.

Thousands of other Joy Division fans all over the world are more inclined to share things like rare recordings, particularly in this day and age with bit torrent sites. All those JD bootlegs that are out there? And the live recordings on the recent official re-releases? They were all taken from tapes done by a fan, who gave (NOT sold) his recordings away, so that anyone who wanted a copy could get hold of one. Our friend at Ian Curtis.org is of the belief that he should be entitled to take from everyone else but never contribute anything back into the pool, which is what gets mine and loads more people's backs up. He claims to have a couple of recordings that have never seen the light of day, but when asked for more information about them he pretends not to have received the request!

This place is very much an area where people are able to request and trade recordings etc, without charging for them, in many cases not even the cost of blanks. You won't find Ian Curtis.org buying in to these principles, however glad he is to lift info etc from here!

oldmonkey wrote: Not much of a surfer are you?

I'm more than happy to cut any and all sarcasm, but that's precisely what greeted me when I knocked on the door here for the first time... pal.

Sarcasm is not my modus operandi, but I can dish it out as good as I get it. I can count on three fingers the forums I have had the time or interest in joining, and I rarely, if ever ever waste my time in engaging in sarcastic exchanges, particularly with moderators. I came to join, exchange thoughts and information, and be part of this community. If my initial post offended you, sorry. But whatever the owner of Inacurtis.org has done to piss everyone off so much (and I'll admit it seems justified) has nothing to do with me. This is my 5th post... so back off, I haven't even got my hat off.

Now, shall we start this over again?

Hi my name is Jake, and I've been a Joy Division fan since 1979, and more recently a fan of New Order. Although I bookmarked your site ages ago I never really spent any time here and thought I'd pop in to say hello...

Welcome Jake..

And dont worry about Tim.. we'll sort him out, next piss-up

Right then, that's that sorted. Welcome Jake, may you enjoy the site. The webmaster is also from Montreal (well, Laval anyway).

Thanks! I appreciate that! And I'm very happy to be a member!

I have seen this IanCurtis.org on EBAY he seems to buy up everything small or large, no price too much, no item he wont touch. He outbid me several times on many things, I also think that he also has done a few deals behind the scenes with the sellers and then they pull them off. What sort of rare stuff does he state he has. His Ebay name recently took a bit of a battering 42 bad feedbacks from the same guy!!!!!

This is better than Oprah!

With all that money you'd think he could afford a bit more bandwidth...

Exactly! He's the last guy who needs people chipping in to help fund his website!

the topics still open then?

Hello Jake,

Nice thread. I must admit myself I didn't realise that there was such animosity towards this "other" guy...

For lyrics try Deborah Curtis' book Touching From a Distance. It has a complete set of lyrics appended at the back and includes previously unseen (at least by me when I read it) stuff...

Other than that, welcome. There's a lot of people on here who know loads about the subject you're interested. A veritable mine of information.

And to echo Shug- What is it this guy has that he won't share?

Well he claims to have the other Erics August 79 set, Liverpool Mountford Hall 79, and I think the Rainbow 1980. He's quite happy to take but never gives! We know of a couple of "item ended early" episodes on eBay where the seller has been offered a huge wad to take the item down and do a private sale. I just thought it was quite ironic someone coming on here and in their first post requesting that we contribute to the upkeep of IanCurtis.org, the very man who is doing his utmost to deny the majority access to anything collectable regarding JD, which is the exact opposite of what this site is supposedly about!