Wealth of rarities to populate any New Order box sets

BillONdollar wrote:

oldmonkey wrote:

BillONdollar wrote:

MONTY wrote: What the fuck? Not been on for a fucking week,and everyone's back to HOOKY-bashing. Funny,I thought he wanted to do what most fans wanted...to release a decent box-set.What's wrong with telling it like it is."We're still not getting on at moment" .Not exactly fuelling the fire is it?

Speaking of which,RETRO got by with the expletive uttered by Mr Wise!

what in the world are you talking about? just facts. how can you release a "descent box-set" when you can't even get along with your band members? The last time i checked, NEW ORDER was a band, not a solo act; it takes 4, (or five including gillian), not 1 (b)ass!

ask this yourself? who's bashing hooky? all "we" are saying here is, give it a rest, and let time heals!

Do us all a favour pal and shut the fuck up. You started this latest episode with your anti-Hooky rant, about what could and should be good news of something for the future. Nothing positive to say? The door's over there, if you can find your own way.

you shut the FUCK UP asswipe! you can't take the heat, then get out of the kitchen! this isn't about you, you 2digit iq.

if you haven't got anything nice to say, get loooooooooooost!

Think we've got our first bout of the night in Hookys hired boxing ring..

BillONdollar wrote:

oldmonkey wrote:

BillONdollar wrote:

MONTY wrote: What the fuck? Not been on for a fucking week,and everyone's back to HOOKY-bashing. Funny,I thought he wanted to do what most fans wanted...to release a decent box-set.What's wrong with telling it like it is."We're still not getting on at moment" .Not exactly fuelling the fire is it?

Speaking of which,RETRO got by with the expletive uttered by Mr Wise!

what in the world are you talking about? just facts. how can you release a "descent box-set" when you can't even get along with your band members? The last time i checked, NEW ORDER was a band, not a solo act; it takes 4, (or five including gillian), not 1 (b)ass!

ask this yourself? who's bashing hooky? all "we" are saying here is, give it a rest, and let time heals!

Do us all a favour pal and shut the fuck up. You started this latest episode with your anti-Hooky rant, about what could and should be good news of something for the future. Nothing positive to say? The door's over there, if you can find your own way.

you shut the FUCK UP asswipe! you can't take the heat, then get out of the kitchen! this isn't about you, you 2digit iq.

if you haven't got anything nice to say, get loooooooooooost!

Oh dear......

His Holiness, The Pope wrote:

Boatraceface wrote: Whole thing is absurd and pathetic,is'nt it? Hooky should,and likely would be able to shrug off a load of gobshite from a website,even though understandably,he won't like it..Who would like it? However,you feel the source where Hooky got his information from,i.e. his son,Jack,alters everything...I dare say if my son said to me "so an so said this about you" it would nark me far more aswell.Coming from a loved one,then it fuckin matters...That's just how we are,most of us.You get sucked in when you think something bothers yer son,mother,father,granny etc..Pathetic offering people out online tho..

You're right! Let's ban that Jack twat so's he can't tell his dad nothin!

Well,to be fair,by the same the same token from a human aspect you can see how some comments about his old fella might wind Jack up..It's only natural he'd want to defend Hooky.Can't say I'd be any different,and that's to be applauded in my book..Not much wisdom in telling Hooky all about it though,when ultimately,non of it really matters.Probably hard to be objective in Jack's shoes.

Spencer Packer wrote: I couldn't agree more! Hooky just needs to disappear for a long, long time into his shite excuse for a DJ or some other half assed side project.

Don't even get me started on that ridiculous "heavy metal guitarist" stance he seems to get more and more into with each passing year. Pretty soon he'll be playing on his back or behind his overstuffed head.

Even more BRILLIANT! Watch the 'Academy' vid, you'd think he was the fucking star and the others were his support act.

FDISK wrote:

pumped full of drugs wrote: Peter Hook is not the problem here.

Says who? The New Order I love had a bass player who played with his back to the audience whilst nailed to the floor. Occasionally some gnomic utterance from the band would surface in the press then you didn't hear from them again for some time. These days it's rent-a-quote every other day - probably to keep those DJ fees and pension plan topped up (deserved so).

Interesting point that. Put a page of 'An Ideal For Living' next to a page of hookysblogg. What do you prefer?

El Jarvo wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Even more BRILLIANT! Watch the 'Academy' vid, you'd think he was the fucking star and the others were his support act.

Truth is though, Hooky probably was the star of New Order during that period.

Barney had his moments, but Hooky was the one you wanted to go and watch play live.

Curious about this from the live fan perspective. During what period was Barney the 'star' in the 80s, and when and why did it switch back and forth between Hooky and Barney?

Everybody went to the gigs not just for the music and for the live experience, but for that little bit of tension, that veiled threat of it all kicking off, which it so often did, and there was always more chance of that happening on Hooky's side of the stage as he baited the crowd. Hooky was always the showman, even with his back to the audience (and that had virtually stopped by 1984 or so anyway). Barney was always the nerd at the front, a shy figure who would occasionally say something funny, usually something rude that you couldn't decipher down the front, he was the frontman but wasn't, if that makes sense. We know now that Bernard was the leader, but to anyone watching a show then, it would have seemed that Hooky was the boss man, and what he said went.

Go! GO!

Fight! FIGHT!

I want to see some blood on the monitor.

Indeed*!*

old monkey wrote "hooky was the bossman."

bass king may have had a bit more to say from time to time ,though i never felt his presence overwhelmed bernard and it was always clear from the early days that bernard was a focul point , partly due to his er,, "singing " and concerns expressed or what daft thing would he do next,, like fall over onstage pissed at glastonbury81,/

berneee,, gis us a polo.

The Sub-Cultured Perfect Kisser*!* wrote:

Go! GO!

Fight! FIGHT!

I want to see some blood on the monitor.

Indeed*!*

well you'll be fucked if there is any, as all your nurses are over here!

It would be good to see these projects confirmed before they are announced!

I really wish Hooky would talk to Barney behind closed doors rather than having pops at him in public!

El Jarvo wrote:

JV wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Even more BRILLIANT! Watch the 'Academy' vid, you'd think he was the fucking star and the others were his support act.

Truth is though, Hooky probably was the star of New Order during that period.

Barney had his moments, but Hooky was the one you wanted to go and watch play live.

Curious about this from the live fan perspective. During what period was Barney the 'star' in the 80s, and when and why did it switch back and forth between Hooky and Barney?

Was Barney ever the star? To be totally fair, I thought they all had equal billing, so was surprised that Michael's made his comment about the Academy performance. I never really saw it like that but I think you'll find, visually, Hooky was the best to watch though. Personally, I always thought he was. And I'm sure most people here would've gravitated to 'Hooky's side of the stage' for gigs.

Looks like I've misexpressed meself again. My point about Hooky live (typified by Academy) was that he had this big look-at-me-I'm-fucking-great stance and while loadsa people loved him hamming it up it used to get on my proverbial tits.

I'm with Mr Monkhouse on this. Hooky the Ham I never liked to see at gigs really... Mind you I was happier staring at the back of the Sequential Circuits Prophet 5- I didn't want to look at any of em really...

Stars? New Order Thought it was all the antithesis of that rock star shit, no? ie no encores, very few interviews, let the music speak for itself, art for arts sake etc...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08_2eTj3wsA

cranelane wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08_2eTj3wsA

Yes, that's the Radiohead cover of Ceremony - what's it doing in this thread?

all the lost full versions like avalance

A dvd bringing together all the various live T.V performances would be welcome...

Just like that shower of a national football team we have, I've lost all faith in this band producing anything worthwhile or coherent ever again.

Egos, bad to non existent management, half-baked ideas, and piss-poor products (Retro, Singles, video-standard NeworderStory DVD, no commercial release for Buttrich remix of EGG).

Surely it's only a matter of time before LTM picks up management of the back catalogue and does it justice.

GreenBlueGrey wrote: I really wish Hooky would talk to Barney behind closed doors rather than having pops at him in public!

Agreed; I think Hooky's made a complete idiot out of himself lately by publicly slating the rest of the band. IMHO, that's one of the most unprofessional things you can do. Grow up, Mr Hook!

Emile Strunz wrote:

Surely it's only a matter of time before LTM picks up management of the back catalogue and does it justice.

And THAT would be real good news

Indeed, LTM have done a great job with not just the Factory back catalogue...

Snorri xxx

Miss Disco wrote:

GreenBlueGrey wrote: I really wish Hooky would talk to Barney behind closed doors rather than having pops at him in public!

Agreed; I think Hooky's made a complete idiot out of himself lately by publicly slating the rest of the band. IMHO, that's one of the most unprofessional things you can do. Grow up, Mr Hook!

Absolutely. It's pretty sad when a band of their repute do fuck all all year except 3 pisspoor instrumentals, mouthing each other off and going on about what they were doing 30 years ago.

Oh FFS!

Back on topic!

I would welcome ANY NO Re-issues that included PROPER rarities,or a boxset for that matter,providing it is done a lot better than Retro,AND FFS not a white cover,cannae keep the fookers clean!

Perhaps the band should release any rareities to us lot on here the, true fans who come on here day after day,week after week talking bollocks!

As for the Hooky and Barney thing No comment!

twp wrote:

Emile Strunz wrote:

Surely it's only a matter of time before LTM picks up management of the back catalogue and does it justice.

And THAT would be real good news

Unfortunately, it'll never happen. New Order signed away their rights to the backcatalogue to London. And I don't see London/Warners ever selling to anyone.

The sad truth is that there's no commitment from Warners to release anything worthwhile, no desire from Barney, and Hooky's willing, but legally unable to release anything.

I don't see how other bands can release limited/fan/website bespoke goodies, and New Order won't.

This desire from the fans won't last forever, we'll move on and stop caring. Sad but true.

As I've stated before, we're the perfect demographic - comfortably wedged, passionate, and anally retentive. But I'll just go and spend my money elsewhere.

On coke and prozzers...

The really sad truth is that the next 'box set' will probably be no more than straight reissues of the original albums with no extras and a sub saville design. Witness the latest radiohead 7cd box set and the pink floyd 16 cd box set (£150 for god's sake)not that I'm recommending either.

Hooky I know when you put things on hold and not friends with the band members you will get the blame for it:( continue on your Free Bass it's safer Missy Hooky kicks ass

Ahh, err, grr, so what's your MOOD pissy, I mean Missy?:D

Indeed!