The Best Of JD

The Best Of JD 2CD (Amazon UK) 24 Mar 2008/Warner

Oh dear.

more cynicism from Warners.

Just like a broken pencil, utterly pointless... Assume CD2 is Peel Sessions and a shite running order for CD1... At least the cover's nice...

Snorri xxx

Nice cover but as i failed to buy any of the COLLECTORs' edition releases i will probably PASS on this too.I want a new microwave!

"The Best of" just doesn't sound right with Joy Division.

"These Days" and "Incubation" are two of the best 14 songs? I've always thought that recorded version of "These Days" was one of the worst tracks, and "Incubation" is hardly the type of track you put on a singles/hits type of comp.

Another odd unfocused rather pointless JD/NO compilation... can't they guys appoint a caretaker or trustee to take care of the estate (the back catalogue)? Even Mark E. Smith can handle his back catalogue better...

Heart and Soul box set has already shown what you can fit on 2 CDs

Canuck21 wrote: "The Best of" just doesn't sound right with Joy Division.

"World of" would have been much better!

So I guess we're not getting Substance reissued with a DVD now!

0_o wrote: "These Days" and "Incubation" are two of the best 14 songs? I've always thought that recorded version of "These Days" was one of the worst tracks, and "Incubation" is hardly the type of track you put on a singles/hits type of comp.

Another odd unfocused rather pointless JD/NO compilation... can't they guys appoint a caretaker or trustee to take care of the estate (the back catalogue)? Even Mark E. Smith can handle his back catalogue better...

Heart and Soul box set has already shown what you can fit on 2 CDs

I really like TD - and more importantly it works well as the final track on Substance, not only chronologically, but I think it also looks forward to NO, which is exactly what the end of a JD comp should do... Incubation... No Decades? No The Eternal? No Insight? (OK, that's on disc 2, but I'm still assuming from the tracklisting that's session versions)... Fcuking Warners...

Snorri xxx

Tokoloshe Man wrote: The Best Of JD 2CD (Amazon UK) 24 Mar 2008/Warner

nice cover!

holy sh!t, wots next...

the very best the definitive collection hits singles

I wonder how many copies approximately they expect to sell. The ultra-sick-hardcore collectors will get it only for the Peter Saville artwork or something? Does anyone here seriously think this release will reach the hearts (and pockets) of the mid-20s download generation?

At least SINGLES had a few tracks wich were previously unavailable in digital media.

I don't think that this compilation will be a succesful one... In my opinion 'Heart and Soul' was the best one...

Mr. Disco wrote: I wonder how many copies approximately they expect to sell. The ultra-sick-hardcore collectors will get it only for the Peter Saville artwork or something? Does anyone here seriously think this release will reach the hearts (and pockets) of the mid-20s download generation?

At least SINGLES had a few tracks wich were previously unavailable in digital media.

Not too bad as a birthday gift next week

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

Mr. Disco wrote: I wonder how many copies approximately they expect to sell. The ultra-sick-hardcore collectors will get it only for the Peter Saville artwork or something? Does anyone here seriously think this release will reach the hearts (and pockets) of the mid-20s download generation?

At least SINGLES had a few tracks wich were previously unavailable in digital media.

Not too bad as a birthday gift next week

If you have trouble obtaining a copy in Brazil, Julio , i will see to it that i dig into my own pocket and buy you a copy here in UK and pay for the postage and packing to get it sent out to you.It's only right that you get one after all the giving you've done on here over the years.Oh yes

.......And HEART AND SOUL

well, another pointless jd cd comes out on me birthday :)

surely this was inevitable after control...

think this will do quite well myself, there seems to be more interest in jd than there is in new order these days

0_o wrote:

Heart and Soul box set has already shown what you can fit on 2 CDs

2 cds?

Probably won't happen knowing Amazon. And it's no one's loss. Permanent was a decent Best Of, and Heart and Soul is all you really need to know.

Canuck21 wrote: "The Best of" just doesn't sound right with Joy Division.

That is exactly what I was going to post

Recycled tracks?

i'll PASS!

Indeed!

Dont know who they think they are targetting with this release... Surely Joy Division fans have everything done by the band by now and they are unlikely to be picking up new fans at this stage....

'95's Permanent is as good a JD compilation as anyone can ever need....

Ian should be rolling in his grave. For a band that only recorded 2 albums in their lifespan (and only 'officially' released 2 addendums in "Still" and "Substance"), this is officially Taking The Fucking Piss.

Sure, there's "Heart And Soul" that's a pretty good box set, albeit one that reproduces the 2 original albums. And there's "Permanent" - a pointless waste of time that I didn't buy : I only got the 12" for the Arthur Baker Remix of LWTUA - something that bafflingly isn't on CD.

And then there's the three expanded reissues from last year. And the two Fractured Music live albums. And teh Fractured Music limited box set with extra live record and T-Shirt that I didn't buy. This is worse than the Doors releasing every soundcheck as a limited-edition live album. And the unofficial Martin Hannet Mixes tape.

They really need a custodian who oversees the bands catalogue with care and attention. Why, for fucks sake, they haven't released an official DVD that compiles the Here Are The Young Men CHS, promo films and TV appearances I have NO FUCKING IDEA. People might actually buy that - instead, if I were a JD completist, I'd have the 3 rereleases of LWTUA, each album four times (Fac LP, Fac CD, Heart & Soul, Expanded Editions), a total of 6 concerts, and 3 'best of' compilations. And not ONE official DVD. Or one official, 'Complete' Radio Sessions CD.

FOR CHRIST SAKE, STOP THIS. It's devaluing and cheapening the work. Whoever is responsible for this merely sees the bands Body of Work as an asset to be cash-generating product that sits on the racks next to baked beans in Asda.

Next, they'll remix Ian's between song mumblings into an ambient album and package with it a bonus remix CD featuring a Paul Okenfold Mix of "Atmosphere", Thee Almighty Trouser Wankers 12" extended Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaance Mix of "Transmission", and the Extended Party Whoop version of "Decades" featuring Sly And Robbie.

mark reed wrote: Why, for fucks sake, they haven't released an official DVD that compiles the Here Are The Young Men CHS, promo films and TV appearances I have NO FUCKING IDEA.

Probably because Bernard has a problem regarding the poor quality of the material.

I highly recommend people to buy Unknown Pleasures, Closer and/or Still.

Mr. Disco wrote:

mark reed wrote: Why, for fucks sake, they haven't released an official DVD that compiles the Here Are The Young Men CHS, promo films and TV appearances I have NO FUCKING IDEA.

Probably because Bernard has a problem regarding the poor quality of the material.

He didn't have a problem with it in 1982.

Marvin wrote:

Canuck21 wrote: "The Best of" just doesn't sound right with Joy Division.

That is exactly what I was going to post

Moi aussi

Absolutely "Best Of" indeed - whatever next "The many moods of Joy Division".

This is exactly the sort of crap that I dreaded when the catalogue was sold to London. I used to be proud to be a Joy Division fan with their small but perfectly formed back catalogue. Also - since when did the band start to be happy with photos of themselves on the sleeves?

I was happy to buy Heart & Soul because of the rarities. I bought "Permanent" but felt slightly cheated (but at least it had a decent sleeve, an enigmatic title and a remix). "Best of" is the first JD release I will definately not buy.

I will buy it beacause it has a nice sleeve photo. I always think of Joy Division when I pass under that bridge on my way to watch Man City. I agree that there are too many 'cash-ins', but thats the nature of the beast im afraid.

hibster wrote:

0_o wrote:

Heart and Soul box set has already shown what you can fit on 2 CDs

2 cds?

I mean they got all the main catalogue of Joy Division on the first two CDs of Heart + Soul, all the "best of" of Joy Division most people would ever need on two CDs

As a fan of the music, rather than a completist collector, the good news about this release is that there is absolutely no reason at all to buy it. If there had been some 'new' rarities on it, there might have been some temptation, but...

I listened once to a friend's copy of "Permanent", and I won't even bother to go that far with this.

This release is intended as a compilation for people who will only ever buy one JD album.

Wanker Brothers.

Considering this CD contains the 11th release of "Love Will Tear Us Apart", isn't it about time they reissued "Love Will Tear is Apart, Again" (which, barring the 1988 Atmosphere CD has never been officially released digitally). What about a chronological collection of all the local and national radio sessions?

Nah, stuff together a haphazard selection of songs in any old order, put a photo on the front, and charge the earth for it?

What the record industry thinks you want is shoddily designed and sequenced, unnecessary compilations. Like Motorheads umpteen compilations, and the annual Elvis Presley release, it seems that a year cannot go by without some new configuration of Joy Division’s miniscule body for work. By now, surely everyone who has the slightest interest in the band owns the material. I can’t see this selling many copies.

That’s the arrogance of big business the world over : it shovels a shit sandwich at you, and expects you to be grateful. Rarely has the words “music” and “business” felt so dirty, so unclean, next to each other. This fetid idea - the third Joy Division best of compilation - is conceptually and artistically the equivalent of necrophilic grave robbing. At best, I could describe it as morbid opportunism. At worst, it’s an insulting and degrading attempt to fleece the faithful with yet another pointless compilation that does nothing but diminish the group.

Joy Division are merely an asset to be plundered, raped, and exploited to the maximum commercial effect. This third Joy Division ‘best of’ pointlessly repeats the previous, excellent “Substance” and the equally pointless “Permanent” with a selection of the-same-songs-as-the-other-compilation-in-a-slightly-different order.

They really need a custodian who oversees the bands catalogue with care and attention.

mark reed wrote: Ian should be rolling in his grave. For a band that only recorded 2 albums in their lifespan (and only 'officially' released 2 addendums in "Still" and "Substance"), this is officially Taking The Fucking Piss.

Sure, there's "Heart And Soul" that's a pretty good box set, albeit one that reproduces the 2 original albums. And there's "Permanent" - a pointless waste of time that I didn't buy : I only got the 12" for the Arthur Baker Remix of LWTUA - something that bafflingly isn't on CD.

And then there's the three expanded reissues from last year. And the two Fractured Music live albums. And teh Fractured Music limited box set with extra live record and T-Shirt that I didn't buy. This is worse than the Doors releasing every soundcheck as a limited-edition live album. And the unofficial Martin Hannet Mixes tape.

They really need a custodian who oversees the bands catalogue with care and attention. Why, for fucks sake, they haven't released an official DVD that compiles the Here Are The Young Men CHS, promo films and TV appearances I have NO FUCKING IDEA. People might actually buy that - instead, if I were a JD completist, I'd have the 3 rereleases of LWTUA, each album four times (Fac LP, Fac CD, Heart & Soul, Expanded Editions), a total of 6 concerts, and 3 'best of' compilations. And not ONE official DVD. Or one official, 'Complete' Radio Sessions CD.

FOR CHRIST SAKE, STOP THIS. It's devaluing and cheapening the work. Whoever is responsible for this merely sees the bands Body of Work as an asset to be cash-generating product that sits on the racks next to baked beans in Asda.

Next, they'll remix Ian's between song mumblings into an ambient album and package with it a bonus remix CD featuring a Paul Okenfold Mix of "Atmosphere", Thee Almighty Trouser Wankers 12" extended Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaance Mix of "Transmission", and the Extended Party Whoop version of "Decades" featuring Sly And Robbie.

You can find the Arthur Baker Remix of Love Will Tear Us Apart on the Canadian CD single.

... which is deleted nowadays...

mark reed wrote: ... which is deleted nowadays...

And bloody difficult to find...

Oh, just why?

Needless,pointless cash-in aimed at the 'I own 1 cd by Joy Division' brigade.But can you really blame Warners? The're just a business & it's a money spinner on the back of 'Control',tho' exactly how much money they'll make from it is argueable.A shame,& it's demeaning the legacy to the point of taking the piss

Nice sleeve tho' :D

PhilBarnes wrote: As a fan of the music, rather than a completist collector, the good news about this release is that there is absolutely no reason at all to buy it. If there had been some 'new' rarities on it, there might have been some temptation, but...

I listened once to a friend's copy of "Permanent", and I won't even bother to go that far with this.

This release is intended as a compilation for people who will only ever buy one JD album.

Exactly how I feel. Wonder why they didn't fill the main disc though (14 songs? What is that, about 50 minutes?). Also, the bonus disc should have been a sampler of the live JD releases (Still, Peel, Preston, Les Baines) - of course if this was aimed at newbies Preston might have scared some of them off!

When Anger Shows wrote: I highly recommend people to buy Unknown Pleasures, Closer and/or Still.

Buy all three and the original JD substance; there's yer anthology / best of.

I can't believe they've released yet another bollocks arse 'best of'!

This will be released this Monday.

The full tracklisting is:

CD1:

'Digital' 'Disorder' 'Shadowplay' 'New Dawn Fades' 'Transmission' 'Atmosphere' 'Dead Souls' 'She's Lost Control' 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' 'These Days' '24 Hours' 'Heart And Soul' 'Incubation' 'Isolation'

CD2:

'Exercise One' (John Peel Show January 31 1979) 'Insight' (John Peel Show) 'She's Lost Control' (John Peel Show) 'Transmission' (John Peel Show) 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' (John Peel Show Nov 26 1979) 'Twenty Four Hours' (John Peel Show) 'Colony' (John Peel Show) 'Sound Of Music' (John Peel Show) 'Transmission' (live) 'She's Lost Control' (live) 'Ian Curtis and Stephen Morris Interview'

Indeed!

Because none of this has been released before..

Preston might have scared some of them off!

Preston generally has that effect on people. Thats why I left 20 years ago.

The Sub-Cultured Perfect Kisser*!* wrote: This will be released this Monday.

The full tracklisting is:

CD1:

'Digital' 'Disorder' 'Shadowplay' 'New Dawn Fades' 'Transmission' 'Atmosphere' 'Dead Souls' 'She's Lost Control' 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' 'These Days' '24 Hours' 'Heart And Soul' 'Incubation' 'Isolation'

CD2:

'Exercise One' (John Peel Show January 31 1979) 'Insight' (John Peel Show) 'She's Lost Control' (John Peel Show) 'Transmission' (John Peel Show) 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' (John Peel Show Nov 26 1979) 'Twenty Four Hours' (John Peel Show) 'Colony' (John Peel Show) 'Sound Of Music' (John Peel Show) 'Transmission' (live) 'She's Lost Control' (live) 'Ian Curtis and Stephen Morris Interview'

Indeed!

Already got the Peel Sessions stuff. That, the three albums, and Substance--why the need for another Best-of?

I'll spend my money on Mozza's new Best-of, TYVM.

Chris Nash wrote: If you want to 'get back at' the record company, here's a 'safe' though slightly indirect way to do it:

Wait until the release hits the 'bargain bins'.

Buy a copy at half (or less) the original marked price. The record shop will have paid a 'dealer price' of at least £7 for each 'unit'. They're then selling them at £5 a time. Therefore the record shop loses money on every sale - they just want to get rid of redundant stock. In the future, their central buying department will look at sales figures for Joy Division compilations and won't order anywhere near the same amount for their stores for what they call a 'scale out' - a set number of copies per store, depending on the demographics. That means that the record company will think again about releasing yet another 'same old' CD as they know they won't have so many 'units' ordered. The record companies aren't in it for the music - they're in it for the profit (they're a business, so that's understandable).

You could alternatively buy two or three UK releases and put them on Ebay for a couple of pounds more than you paid - that way, People in Buy/Sell/Trade or Ebay bidders in foreign countries get copies cheaper than they would via HMV or Amazon.

Again, the record company ends up losing out due to reduced orders.

Eventually they get the message and the crap back-catalogue repackaged stuff dwindles.

If they want to sell material, they have to give the fans something new, and if they're sensible, they do it with unreleased live recordings, remixes, etc. as they tried with the three JD re-released albums.

It's a bit convoluted, I know, but in the long term, it works...

Wow Chris... that has to be one of the longest posts saying absolutely nothing in a while... get some sleep will ya you git!

EdelBrock wrote:

Chris Nash wrote: If you want to 'get back at' the record company, here's a 'safe' though slightly indirect way to do it:

Wait until the release hits the 'bargain bins'.

Buy a copy at half (or less) the original marked price. The record shop will have paid a 'dealer price' of at least £7 for each 'unit'. They're then selling them at £5 a time. Therefore the record shop loses money on every sale - they just want to get rid of redundant stock. In the future, their central buying department will look at sales figures for Joy Division compilations and won't order anywhere near the same amount for their stores for what they call a 'scale out' - a set number of copies per store, depending on the demographics. That means that the record company will think again about releasing yet another 'same old' CD as they know they won't have so many 'units' ordered. The record companies aren't in it for the music - they're in it for the profit (they're a business, so that's understandable).

You could alternatively buy two or three UK releases and put them on Ebay for a couple of pounds more than you paid - that way, People in Buy/Sell/Trade or Ebay bidders in foreign countries get copies cheaper than they would via HMV or Amazon.

Again, the record company ends up losing out due to reduced orders.

Eventually they get the message and the crap back-catalogue repackaged stuff dwindles.

If they want to sell material, they have to give the fans something new, and if they're sensible, they do it with unreleased live recordings, remixes, etc. as they tried with the three JD re-released albums.

It's a bit convoluted, I know, but in the long term, it works...

Wow Chris... that has to be one of the longest posts saying absolutely nothing in a while... get some sleep will ya you git!

Fcuk. Just spat coffee all over the damn computer screen.

They should have done a Nirvana and just called it Joy Division. But either way it's pointless.

Tokoloshe Man wrote: The Best Of JD 2CD (Amazon UK) 24 Mar 2008/Warner

What is it necesary for ??

ohh...god

I thought this was another Amazon balls-up but I saw this monstrosity out yesterday. Did the boys have anything whatsoever to do with it?... As I said before, 'Permanent' is a decent enuff best-of and H+S tells you everything you need (maybe a bit too much). Anyone actually gonna buy this?

Michael Monkhouse wrote: I thought this was another Amazon balls-up but I saw this monstrosity out yesterday. Did the boys have anything whatsoever to do with it?... As I said before, 'Permanent' is a decent enuff best-of and H+S tells you everything you need (maybe a bit too much). Anyone actually gonna buy this?

Not ME!