Your favourite bass

personally my fave is the yam in perfect kiss video

Although I have just heard the Eccleshall in that French TV performance of BLT in 87, that is awesome aswell

Gotta be the Shergold, it's a complete space cadet of a bass.

Like the Eccleshall's noise too though.

At what point did he start using the Eccleshall. Early 90's?

Eccleshall

Roland TB-303

0_o wrote: Roland TB-303

I'll bet a tenner you never used a real one, if you had, you'd not have said that. The programming interface is so weird even microsoft would reject it.

Surely only seppos call Bass "sea bass"?

Can't recall ever seeing "sea bass" in any UK waters species recognition guide.

Don't fall into their ways young Engerlander!!

Nobody posted a pint yet, which is encouraging.

fav bass? fuck sake

El Jarvo wrote:

Doctor? wrote: Surely only seppos call Bass "sea bass"?

Can't recall ever seeing "sea bass" in any UK waters species recognition guide.

Don't fall into their ways young Engerlander!!

Dunno where you've been eating Cambo, but I've never seen Bass labelled in a London restaurant as anything but Sea Bass!

Like here

The nomenclature of the catering industry, is not something I think about. Y'know, selling greater spotted dogfish (bull huss) as "rock salmon" and all

It's defo just "bass" when it's in the sea. I mean, would you care to show me a fresh water bass?

I voted for the Shergold, purely because it's the only one I've heard of.

(Does that make me a bad person?)

Jem wrote: I voted for the Shergold, purely because it's the only one I've heard of.

(Does that make me a bad person?)

Among the general populace it makes you a freak, nobody's ever heard of 'em.

Chris Nash wrote: Here you go Steve...

Freshwater Bass

My favourite bass is the Yamaha. I had one once but had to sell it.

Beautiful it was...

And they're Jesulander fish, which proves my point, "sea bass" is an irritating seppoism.

no, its what its called in restaurants.

In a lonely place wrote: At what point did he start using the Eccleshall. Early 90's?

Hooky first started using the Eccleshall late 85 after spotting the bassist from the alarm using one. Hookys bass in the perfect kiss vid is a Yamaha BB 1200s. My favourite is the Shergold.

Jem wrote: I voted for the Shergold, purely because it's the only one I've heard of.

(Does that make me a bad person?)

Here's the proof Jem knows what she's talking about

El Jarvo wrote:

Doctor? wrote: And they're Jesulander fish, which proves my point, "sea bass" is an irritating seppoism.

I've been called some things in my time, Steveo, but an 'American'? Oh, please.

It's what us cultured English call it. Deal with it.

See, that's the only reason I raised it, I know you're very proud of ye olde engerlishness, and this just seemed wrong.

Actually the various species of bass found in the UK, are categorised as "sea perches", which double confuses things, and triple-fucks things when you look at the American fresh water bass, which are clearly Perch.

I'm going to lie down now, sorry I ever mentioned it, and you should now also be most abashed by your poor fish pun in the first place.

Hooky's Six String Bass wrote:

Jem wrote: I voted for the Shergold, purely because it's the only one I've heard of.

(Does that make me a bad person?)

Here's the proof Jem knows what she's talking about

After all your "my precious baby" carping, you go and let Cabernet-Godzilla there have a go on it... Did it live?

Doctor? wrote:

...you should now also be most abashed by your poor fish pun in the first place.

Finally, we address the real issue!

had to vote for the Yam as that's what we hear on most recordings (not live that is and unless it's a six string, which would obviously be the Shergold)

Love the look of the Eccleshall, but hooky says he can't use it in the studio, doesn't sound right. (I'd still love one, but Chris Eccleshall doesn't reply to his emails!)

Would also love a Shergold, but I'd be more likely to find some gold dust and hens teeth, while sifting through rocking horse shite than finding a marathon six for sale.

Rickenbacker, very nice, used for early JD stuff, I think he moved on fairly quickly though.

I think maybe the Eccleshall was used a bit before 85, there was a vid on here a while ago of them playing AOC, which looked to be around 83-84 and he was using it then, could be wrong though, perhaps jack could ask? (like he's got nothing better to do!!!)

Wouldn't say no to any of them really.

83-85 was a Gibson EB2 that went horribly out of tune and screeched like a feedback-ridden banshee!

Doctor? wrote:

I'm going to lie down now, sorry I ever mentioned it, and you should now also be most abashed by your poor fish pun in the first place.

then

Doctor? wrote:

After all your "my precious baby" carping,

Doctor? wrote:

Hooky's Six String Bass wrote:

Jem wrote: I voted for the Shergold, purely because it's the only one I've heard of.

(Does that make me a bad person?)

Here's the proof Jem knows what she's talking about

After all your "my precious baby" carping, you go and let Cabernet-Godzilla there have a go on it... Did it live?

It's alright Steve it's ONLY my spare one

James Thomas wrote:

Doctor? wrote:

I'm going to lie down now, sorry I ever mentioned it, and you should now also be most abashed by your poor fish pun in the first place.

then

Doctor? wrote:

After all your "my precious baby" carping,

JT you bastard.

(See what I did there? Bass-tard?)

Hooky's Six String Bass wrote:

Doctor? wrote:

Hooky's Six String Bass wrote:

Jem wrote: I voted for the Shergold, purely because it's the only one I've heard of.

(Does that make me a bad person?)

Here's the proof Jem knows what she's talking about

After all your "my precious baby" carping, you go and let Cabernet-Godzilla there have a go on it... Did it live?

It's alright Steve it's ONLY my spare one

You have TWO Jemma's, gawd elp yer.

Chris Nash wrote: One for the cooking, one for the cleaning...

And I can think of two things you will not have much longer

Reverend Big wrote:

James Thomas wrote:

Doctor? wrote:

I'm going to lie down now, sorry I ever mentioned it, and you should now also be most abashed by your poor fish pun in the first place.

then

Doctor? wrote:

After all your "my precious baby" carping,

JT you bastard.

(See what I did there? Bass-tard?)

Perhaps, at least I don't have a mullet.

You, sir, are drunk.

And in the morning you will be sober.

I, on the other hand, will still have a mullet.

Oh hang on...

Yamaha. Sounds much better.

Hey! i coulda owned the shergold but didn't buy it cos it had a bloody great chunk out of it on the back!

those in the NO will really NO my name now! hehe :)

Gotta be the Eccleshall,it's Hooky & it's a monster. Love the Shergold tho' too

Jed Stephens wrote: Love the look of the Eccleshall, but hooky says he can't use it in the studio, doesn't sound right. (I'd still love one, but Chris Eccleshall doesn't reply to his emails!)

I emailed him a couple of years ago about the 335. It was around £1800 and a years waiting list!

Went for an Epiphone Jack Casady in the end.

The Shergold slays me every time although his Rick on the JD stuff is awesome. Songs like Disorder, Twenty-Four Hours and LWTUA. Using a six-string was really unusual at the time so you had the combination of an unusual bass guitar, Hooky's angular, high-up style and the SOUND. At a time when bass was hardly present in a final mix, his was well up front, effected and well...just brilliant really.

PS I owned a TB-303 briefly and yes, the programming was truly arcane! There are myriad stories about their misuse during house music's reign (three blokes tweaking one on-stage at once etc). Am I right in thinking the Order never used one?

He's had at least three Yamaha basses over the years, a sunburst one in JD and early New Order, a BB800 for a while in 1980 (when the gear was stolen), and then the red BB1200 from 83-ish onwards.

free bass

taxi

johnny james wrote: He's had at least three Yamaha basses over the years, a sunburst one in JD and early New Order, a BB800 for a while in 1980 (when the gear was stolen), and then the red BB1200 from 83-ish onwards.

he had at least 4 red bb1200s in monaco and 6 marathons 4 black, 1 white and a red one with a brass scratch plate, the 335 sounds the best through his old ampeg rig, cranked up, well , i think so, it just has a bit more balls than the yamaha even tho they have the same components, feels nicer too, it has a jazz neck.

Fook me leady, that's quite the total.

Now if you REALLY want to impress us.....

Any idea on a total number of Clone Theory pedals he's horded/broken?

Personally, I'm thinking, all of them.

Doctor? wrote: Fook me leady, that's quite the total.

Now if you REALLY want to impress us.....

Any idea on a total number of Clone Theory pedals he's horded/broken?

Personally, I'm thinking, all of them.

Can't be all of them, I got one, and no, I won't be selling it!

Tim wrote: 83-85 was a Gibson EB2 that went horribly out of tune and screeched like a feedback-ridden banshee!

yea,or a rum ridden banshee

I'm voting for the Yamaha for sentimental reasons, 'cause I used to have a BB series fretless that was lovely.

Doctor? wrote: Fook me leady, that's quite the total.

Now if you REALLY want to impress us.....

Any idea on a total number of Clone Theory pedals he's horded/broken?

Personally, I'm thinking, all of them.

well, apart from 1 that is in the studio, and that is on its last legs he also got a red yamaha off a geezer that turned up at a gig to get it signed, hooky wouldnt let him leave until he had sold him the bass, another on for his collection...

he's a fuckin OCD horder, brilliant.

I bet it's that beardy tosser who outbids me on ebay when marathon's come up for sale

Probably for the best, he can actually play one, I've been playing girl's basses (aria, bass collection) for so long, I'd just hurt myself with a marathon6.

(is it a Shergold Snickers now?)

El Jarvo wrote: Sea.

MUTATED SEA BASS?

Prefer the shark with frigging laser beam strapped to it.

old lead nuts wrote: he had at least 4 red bb1200s in monaco and 6 marathons 4 black, 1 white and a red one with a brass scratch plate, the 335 sounds the best through his old ampeg rig, cranked up, well , i think so, it just has a bit more balls than the yamaha even tho they have the same components, feels nicer too, it has a jazz neck.

Interesting. That could be due to the body resonance; I can get pretty close to his sound with my semi-hollow.

I've never quite understood why he uses it live but not in the studio (though apparently he likes the feedback); I've always assumed the sound was inferior somehow but maybe it's a weight/look thing. Usually the semihollow is the studio instrument (guessing that's at least partly why Barney got the SG Junior). Supposedly semi's have less sustain, but he's said that's not an issue either. It's hard to compare his live sound to his studio sound, due not only to the circumstances of the recordings but the fact that his live sound is often pretty distorted.

Just going by sound I'd have voted the Yamaha in the poll (went with the Shergold because it's such a rarity and the only one I've bothered to track down and get - should try a Yamaha someday).

Doctor? wrote:

he's a fuckin OCD horder, brilliant.

I bet it's that beardy tosser who outbids me on ebay when marathon's come up for sale

Probably for the best, he can actually play one, I've been playing girl's basses (aria, bass collection) for so long, I'd just hurt myself with a marathon6.

(is it a Shergold Snickers now?)

It was someone in the States as I recall. I've got a sunburst Marathon 6 I briefly considered asking him to sign at one point; when I heard that story I thought better of the idea.

I've always liked my Fender Squier bass. *shrug*

Good line Jeff,

My 5-string red one is my favourite

and that's where my knowledge ends.

and talent.

in fact... anybody want to buy it?

Somebody sell me their old, unloved '80s Steinberger headless. I've always wanted one of those.

Sure, it's more closely associated with Rush than New Order, but I can live with that.

i like the shergold he has. i have a lil esp bass. i like esp's. i just don't like the neck of mine.doesn't fit my hand well enough.

Gnu Odor wrote: Somebody sell me their old, unloved '80s Steinberger headless. I've always wanted one of those.

Sure, it's more closely associated with Rush than New Order, but I can live with that.

You need your head looked at mate, bloody awful looking bass. I wouldn't be caught dead with one of those

Gnu Odor wrote: Somebody sell me their old, unloved '80s Steinberger headless. I've always wanted one of those.

Sure, it's more closely associated with Rush than New Order, but I can live with that.

Who cares, both bands are amazing. :) And yes, I too would love one of those.

Hooky's Six String Bass wrote:

Gnu Odor wrote: Somebody sell me their old, unloved '80s Steinberger headless. I've always wanted one of those.

Sure, it's more closely associated with Rush than New Order, but I can live with that.

You need your head looked at mate, bloody awful looking bass. I wouldn't be caught dead with won of those

Played a Hohner copy of of one on a few tracks in the studio. Despite it not sharing the Steinberger's main benefit, the freaky plastic body, it was rather good to play and sounded really great. Of course, it does LOOK retarded, especially when you are not used to it and your hand keeps flying off the end when you reach for the 1st frett.

Would certainly like one if I found a cheap one. Fucking impossible to keep them in strings though, they're hard to find and pricey as fuck.

I've still got a Hohner B2A. Great Bass, got it for my 18th.

Looks very dated but great to play, feels good down the first fret. Quite a punchy sound.

Been stuck in the loft since I got my Epiphone.

Greetings again, o brothers in bass frequency.

Here's a photo of the twins (not mine, but belonging to an old buddy of mine):

I used to play an Ampeg Mini-Stud* that was ugly as fook, but the sound was...well, crap.

Mr. Hook weighs in courtesty of Bass Player:

Hooky sounds off on some of the basses he’s played over the years:

Yamaha BB1200s “It’s a 22-year-old bass that’s been on every single New Order album. I’ve tried to find a backup to it, but I’ve never found one that sounds better. The top end you can get out of it is amazing. It took me eight years to find another one; now I’ve finally got a spare.”

Eccleshall “It’s made by Chris Eccleshall in Cornwall. I wanted a hollowbody with Yamaha electronics, so he took the active electronics from a BB1200s and built a full-scale neck-through bass with 24 frets.”

Shergold Marathon 6-string “I used to play it a lot, but I haven’t used it on the last two albums.”

Overwater C Bass & Guild Starfire “When John Entwistle died, I went to the auction for his guitars, because I wanted to buy his Gibson Thunderbird. It went for 57,000 pounds! I bid three times, but I realized my wife was going to kill me if I went through with it. I was really glad to get these two, though.”

Gibson EB-2 “I loved the shape of it, but it just wouldn’t stay in tune. I must have spent about 200 quid on a new bridge, new pickups.”

Hondo II Rickenbacker copy “It was absolute shite.”

Gibson EB-0 copy “It went out of tune between F and G on the E string.”

*Oops, correction, it was a Little Stud. The first bass I ever played belonged to my high school, and it was a Big Stud. It also had a big warp in the neck which rendered several frets unplayable.

Doctor? wrote:

Hooky's Six String Bass wrote:

Gnu Odor wrote: Somebody sell me their old, unloved '80s Steinberger headless. I've always wanted one of those.

Sure, it's more closely associated with Rush than New Order, but I can live with that.

You need your head looked at mate, bloody awful looking bass. I wouldn't be caught dead with won of those

Played a Hohner copy of of one on a few tracks in the studio. Despite it not sharing the Steinberger's main benefit, the freaky plastic body, it was rather good to play and sounded really great. Of course, it does LOOK retarded, especially when you are not used to it and your hand keeps flying off the end when you reach for the 1st frett.

Would certainly like one if I found a cheap one. Fucking impossible to keep them in strings though, they're hard to find and pricey as fuck.

Look at it,it's a bit gay aint it. You might as well grow your hair long and join a soft metal band. Cock munching bastards...

I did say twas in a dark and dingie studio, no fuckin way I'd play one in public, besides they feel terrible on the strap, I did all my playing sitting on a chair.

Hooky's Six String Bass wrote:

Doctor? wrote:

Hooky's Six String Bass wrote:

Gnu Odor wrote: Somebody sell me their old, unloved '80s Steinberger headless. I've always wanted one of those.

Sure, it's more closely associated with Rush than New Order, but I can live with that.

You need your head looked at mate, bloody awful looking bass. I wouldn't be caught dead with won of those

Played a Hohner copy of of one on a few tracks in the studio. Despite it not sharing the Steinberger's main benefit, the freaky plastic body, it was rather good to play and sounded really great. Of course, it does LOOK retarded, especially when you are not used to it and your hand keeps flying off the end when you reach for the 1st frett.

Would certainly like one if I found a cheap one. Fucking impossible to keep them in strings though, they're hard to find and pricey as fuck.

Look at it,it's a bit gay aint it. You might as well grow your hair long and join a soft metal band. Cock munching bastards...

eh, could get a B.A.D tribute act on the go there

didn't they do the Hac '85 ish

and mines a shergold bcos i spent all time fruitlessy looking for one shergold before marriage

Since Alejo has ressurected this thread, I should add something I mentioned elsewhere regarding why the Eccleshll doesn't get used in the studio.

I suspect it is because hollow bodies are total whores for ll manner of mechanical noises, every time you move near one, because the face of the hollow part acts like a tympanic membrane (ear drum), and the hollow bit is of course a natural amplifier. Live you can use obsence brutal gating to cut out the noises when not playing, and when playing, no cunt will hear them in the midst of a full on NO live racket.

None of the above... :D

Doctor? wrote: Since Alejo has ressurected this thread, I should add something I mentioned elsewhere regarding why the Eccleshll doesn't get used in the studio.

I suspect it is because hollow bodies are total whores for ll manner of mechanical noises, every time you move near one, because the face of the hollow part acts like a tympanic membrane (ear drum), and the hollow bit is of course a natural amplifier. Live you can use obsence brutal gating to cut out the noises when not playing, and when playing, no cunt will hear them in the midst of a full on NO live racket.

correct herr doktor, apart from looking better, the eccleshall sounds better through the amp, livlier, bigger balls. the resonance of the body gives it an edge over the bb, but the bass is DI'd as well as miked up in the studio, so the bb wins there, less resonant body gives more solid sound.