JD Fan -or- NO Fan

So what's yer persuation?

joy division since 79

morning ,night and day.

NU ORDAH!!!

Indeed!

Joy Division. New Order don't even come close.

NO fan.

I discovered New Order first and got into Joy Division through them.

We had this discussion last night. While New Order come first for me, we agreed Joy Division have never put out a bad record. New Order have.

Can I be both?

I don't really like JDs music. To me, it sounds like 'my band' learning their instruments with a different singer.

Killer production on some of their tracks, but that's not really the band, is it?

And the songs themselves are great - as demonstrated by some of New Order's versions of them.

I know that's gonna go down badly with some of the navel-gazers, but that's how I feel.

Biginoil wrote: I don't really like JDs music. To me, it sounds like 'my band' learning their instruments with a different singer.

Killer production on some of their tracks, but that's not really the band, is it?

And the songs themselves are great - as demonstrated by some of New Order's versions of them.

I know that's gonna go down badly with some of the navel-gazers, but that's how I feel.

Well, I agree with you there!

generally, new order in the spring-summer, and joy division in the fall-winter. Largely it depends on my mental state.

Biginoil wrote: I don't really like JDs music. To me, it sounds like 'my band' learning their instruments with a different singer.

Killer production on some of their tracks, but that's not really the band, is it?

And the songs themselves are great - as demonstrated by some of New Order's versions of them.

I know that's gonna go down badly with some of the navel-gazers, but that's how I feel.

I actually prefer NOs versions of the JD songs... sacreligious I know.

NO has always been my band since I was 12. I can listen to NO any day, anytime, anywhere, in any mood... JD on the other hand, I have to be in the right place, in the right mood....

But Jemma is right, NO has released some shite and JD never really did... but NO did last just a wee longer, so I'll let that tidbit go....

Monsieur Round & Round wrote: Can I be both?

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Both have greatly enriched my existance in their own way. I just think of them as different phases of the same entity.

Biginoil wrote: I don't really like JDs music. To me, it sounds like 'my band' learning their instruments with a different singer.

Killer production on some of their tracks, but that's not really the band, is it?

And the songs themselves are great - as demonstrated by some of New Order's versions of them.

I know that's gonna go down badly with some of the navel-gazers, but that's how I feel.

Totally agree; i have tried to like Joy Division, but I can't, probably because one of my favourite parts of NO is Bernard's voice. Probably explains why I'm not so into early NO.

The closest I have ever got to hating NO, was when I went to Wembley Arena in 2006, and they announced "Tonight we are Joy Division". I am not joking- three songs in I said "If this is going to be all JD then I'm off". I like one or two of JD's songs, but have always been slightly annoyed when they get treated more seriously than NO, as I think NO are so much better. They really are like two different bands (which is a cedit to their diversity),but one of these bands is not one I would choose to listen to.

NO, on the basis that JD were never a going concern or released a single when i was musically aware. I'm not into this retro-fan business.

Not that i havent discovered JD since.. but I prefer to grow up with bands evolving careers, as i have NO, with all the ups and downs, and gigs etc.

I can appreciate Joy Division through having loved New Order..New Order piss all over everyone though.

Have to say NO fan. Lucky enough to have got into Joy Division through NO,took a few listens but I like them equally now. Back then I was more a synth person,but there's nothing like a good mosh is there?

NO Fan

New Order fan, I can only enjoy joy division from 24 hour party people...dont kill me.

why chose?

they're BEFORE and AFTER and then some.

ND Fan

Shug Sludden wrote:

Dodjem wrote: NO fan.

I discovered New Order first and got into Joy Division through them.

We had this discussion last night. While New Order come first for me, we agreed Joy Division have never put out a bad record. New Order have.

What she said.

What they two said...

Both ! I started with JOY DIVISION way back from Summer '78 through to the present day. They're my absolute N°1 off all genres.

But I do LOVE New Order equally for the 'tour de force' of what they've brilliantly achieved and especially considering the hard (for them) early years, before the commercial (and so well deserved) breakthrough of 'Blue Monday'. They're Unique ! you know that.

Kind regards.

Joy Division songs are great and I will always like them, however they are a bit depressing and Barney cannot do them justice.

I first saw New Order at Glastonbury 1981 and have not looked back. 1983 -1987 was a superb time with a different set each night and NO encore leaving you wanting more.

If it could be captured in a picture it would be:-

Barney’s amp with a bottle of pernod and a hohner melodica – HAPPY DAYS indeed :)

interesting thread actually - of course the results are not surprising since this is NOT joydivisiononline....

JD preffered. Powerfull, intense and majestic.(sensible lyrics too)

Copybook blotted by Hannett's Unknown Pleasures indulgant effects wank.

Surely JD & NO were just a mediocre warm-up for the genuine greatness of Revenge????

voted for JD since they were first. Grew up on JD and then NO. Just evolution.

PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote: Surely JD & NO were just a mediocre warm-up for the genuine greatness of Revenge????

I was thinking more along the lines of Bad Lieutenant or Freebass... but yer probably right, Revenge'll be much better

JD.........cause I knew of them first, when they were still a going concern.

Definitely New Order. I like to listen to JD every now and then but the musical sound doesn't vary enough for me. That's my favorite part of NO. Plue i think the lyrics are much better in most of NO's songs. Most, not all...

New Order for me. I was into them for a good few years before I got into Joy Division and i have to admit I really didn't like Ian's voice to begin with . . .

Major Tarantino wrote: New Order for me. I was into them for a good few years before I got into Joy Division and i have to admit I really didn't like Ian's voice to begin with . . .

I didn't either. In fact I found JD's Substance to be so dark and so punk that I could barely listen to it for the first couple of years that I had it. Couldn't believe it was the band that made NO Substance masterpiece!

I'm a NO fan, JD was too depressing to me at the time.

i'm a navel-gazer. JD for me, please, with a nice cup of cold misery.

Another tough poll, but NO mean alot more to me, they have been in my life since i was 12 yrs old and made my life better which is whay they are the greatest band ever. Got into JD through NO as i'm only 35 (only eh still sounds old) i was too young for JD. however stil love JD music. Unknown pleasures, and closer are two of the g8est albums ever but NO still wins this poll as they would against ANY other band in the history of the world

New Order by a country mile. For me anyways.

I got into New Order first, when I was 14, thru the Best of New Order comp (which had just come out).

I thought thier music was fantastic, and amazing, and beautiful. It was gorgeous.

I was a huge New Order fan for about three years before I really listened to Joy Division. This was around 1995-1998. Interestingly, back then I had no idea what the members of New Order looked like, nor who did what. There really wasn't a whole lot of info on them at the time here in Columbus, Ohio.

I remember buying live at Glastonbury 1987 on cassette tape for one dollar...and being surprised at how ROUGH New Order sounded live! It took me a bit to appreciate how they sounded live.

Finally, around 2000 I saw the Perfect Kiss video, and then finally found out what New Order looked like. I was surprised at how...normal looking and non rock star they looked. And I loved Barney's haircut.

It was in 2000 that I finally started to listen to Joy Division.

Its odd......in the late 90's, no one ever talked about JD, it was always NO its funny how the focus has switched.

I think New Order are superior to JD in about every way.

Yes....Ian had an amazing voice and wrote amazing lyrics...

But musically, I find most JD songs to be dull. Most DJ songs are long, repetetive, plodding, and lacking in melody.

Yes, there are great songs, such as Transmission, Decades, The Eternal, New Dawn Fades, Heart and Soul, Isolation, Digital, and others.....but to me most JD songs are just boring.

Of course..they were also young.

Where JD has about 12 great songs (in my humble opinion)

New Order has about 30 or more great songs.

And I love Barney's voice. There is something about Bernard's voice that is very plaintive, expressive, and beautiful. He really does have soul. And even when Barney sounds bad live, he is still singing from ther heart.

Plus, I actually love Bernards lyrics. Some of them are superb (BM, TPK, Temptation, BLT, True Faith, Vanishing Point, Special, WFTSC) but even when his lyrics are "bad", they have a quality unique to Bernard.

For the of the idolation that Ian Curtis gets, I actually think that Bernard Sumner is a far more fascinating person.

Plus, New Order innovated musically more than JD ever did. Hooky, Steven, Gillan, and Barney did some things in New Order that changed the face of music.

So, though I love JD, New Order for me.

new fookn orda!!!!

I fookin' adore Joy Division.....but N.O. have the edge for me,have been a major part of my life for so long.' I worship at the alter that is NEW ORDER...HALLE-FOOKIN'-LUJAH! '

For me: Joy Division AND New Order. New Order AND Joy Division. As the same band.

New Order, slightly. However, I do find that Barneys lyrics at times have really detracted from the instrumentals, and if anything this has got worse over time. Many of the songs would have been better as instrumentals, such as Thieves Like Us for example.

I didnt choose JD because it was really Hannett that was behind the distant, icy effects. Barney and Hooky always wanted it to sound more like a regular rock band and this comes across on the live sessions of the Heart and Soul CD; the songs dont have the same impact at all.

Plus of course Hooky's bass packs a lot more punch after 82ish

EdelBrock wrote: So what's yer persuation?

My persuassion's none of yer business, but I'm a NO fan who likes JD's music (though not actually too fond of Ian's vocals).