Songs that dont work live

Shellshock for me. I think I've only heard it live once and it sounded a mess.

any of them that require the predominant use of backing tapes!

World(price of love) and pre 02-06 blue monday.

all of them?

:)

True faith, the perfecto mix, hasn't worked besides the 98 reading version.

Run Wild, Working Overtime, Close Range, Times Change, Liar, Avalanche, I Told You So

I think their belief that Run "doesn't work live" is really a matter of them not practicing the song enough.

You know which songs don't work "live"?? The ones with backing tapes, because that's not live.

I guess when they got old, they didn't want to leave as many things to chance, knowing well that a lot of people paid good money to come see them.

I thought Run Wild worked quite well live, although I would have preferred to see the melodica live rather than taped and more made of the interplay between it and the bass during the breaks.

In fact, I've changed my mind. Nothing was added to the song by playing it live. I just like the song and was happy to be hearing it.

And I didn't go to Hyde Park. I think that would have put anyone off for life.

Eric Wang wrote: I think their belief that Run "doesn't work live" is really a matter of them not practicing the song enough.

You know which songs don't work "live"?? The ones with backing tapes, because that's not live.

I guess when they got old, they didn't want to leave as many things to chance, knowing well that a lot of people paid good money to come see them.

Eric,

I'm curious - a lot of the genius produced by New Order is as a result of being able to sequence electronic basslines, bleeps, and melodies, and then pressing a button to let let them do their stuff. As they do live (or used to?)

Are you referring to these tracks or the current set up where a lot of this stuff is on the hard disc. (Cos that's shit)

I know there has been a lot of discussion about what is decreed as 'live' when it comes to performance in the US of A

Emile Strunz wrote:

Eric Wang wrote: I think their belief that Run "doesn't work live" is really a matter of them not practicing the song enough.

You know which songs don't work "live"?? The ones with backing tapes, because that's not live.

I guess when they got old, they didn't want to leave as many things to chance, knowing well that a lot of people paid good money to come see them.

Eric,

I'm curious - a lot of the genius produced by New Order is as a result of being able to sequence electronic basslines, bleeps, and melodies, and then pressing a button to let let them do their stuff. As they do live (or used to?)

Are you referring to these tracks or the current set up where a lot of this stuff is on the hard disc. (Cos that's shit)

I know there has been a lot of discussion about what is decreed as 'live' when it comes to performance in the US of A

I'm talking about the stuff with a ghost vocal in the background. The later stuff. I thought it started with their performing "World (Price of Love) in 1993, but apparently, it includes miming out "1963" in 1989 too, which I had no idea until the DVD came out.

Eric Wang wrote:

Emile Strunz wrote:

Eric Wang wrote: I think their belief that Run "doesn't work live" is really a matter of them not practicing the song enough.

You know which songs don't work "live"?? The ones with backing tapes, because that's not live.

I guess when they got old, they didn't want to leave as many things to chance, knowing well that a lot of people paid good money to come see them.

Eric,

I'm curious - a lot of the genius produced by New Order is as a result of being able to sequence electronic basslines, bleeps, and melodies, and then pressing a button to let let them do their stuff. As they do live (or used to?)

Are you referring to these tracks or the current set up where a lot of this stuff is on the hard disc. (Cos that's shit)

I know there has been a lot of discussion about what is decreed as 'live' when it comes to performance in the US of A

I'm talking about the stuff with a ghost vocal in the background. The later stuff. I thought it started with their performing "World (Price of Love) in 1993, but apparently, it includes miming out "1963" in 1989 too, which I had no idea until the DVD came out.

Firstly, I agree that Run never worked, mostly cos the big guitar riff in the middle wasnt ever replicated well on a live stage, and the drums always seemed to plod along.

As for recent performances/backing tapes etc, I think the loss of Gillian didnt help with these songs.

I'm not sure what to make of that recording of 1963; certainly i heard it live in 1989 a couple of times and it was definitely live, Gillian even playing the notes out of tune at the NEC.

I agree with kel's point about all songs being crafted in the studio first though, from 1987, and not getting any live outings pre-release. It's been a hell of a long time since Barney said 'this is a new song, you've never heard before' and meant it. Last ones for me was Touched or TF, or Dream Attack and Vanishing Point at Gmex, twenty years ago.

Burt Reynolds wrote: It's been a hell of a long time since Barney said 'this is a new song, you've never heard before' and meant it. Last ones for me was Touched or TF, or Dream Attack and Vanishing Point at Gmex, twenty years ago.

When I saw them in January 1989, I do not think technique was already released...

Think Technique came out the same week as those French dates in Jan 89?

Burt Reynolds wrote:

Eric Wang wrote:

Emile Strunz wrote:

Eric Wang wrote: I think their belief that Run "doesn't work live" is really a matter of them not practicing the song enough.

You know which songs don't work "live"?? The ones with backing tapes, because that's not live.

I guess when they got old, they didn't want to leave as many things to chance, knowing well that a lot of people paid good money to come see them.

Eric,

I'm curious - a lot of the genius produced by New Order is as a result of being able to sequence electronic basslines, bleeps, and melodies, and then pressing a button to let let them do their stuff. As they do live (or used to?)

Are you referring to these tracks or the current set up where a lot of this stuff is on the hard disc. (Cos that's shit)

I know there has been a lot of discussion about what is decreed as 'live' when it comes to performance in the US of A

I'm talking about the stuff with a ghost vocal in the background. The later stuff. I thought it started with their performing "World (Price of Love) in 1993, but apparently, it includes miming out "1963" in 1989 too, which I had no idea until the DVD came out.

Firstly, I agree that Run never worked, mostly cos the big guitar riff in the middle wasnt ever replicated well on a live stage, and the drums always seemed to plod along.

As for recent performances/backing tapes etc, I think the loss of Gillian didnt help with these songs.

I'm not sure what to make of that recording of 1963; certainly i heard it live in 1989 a couple of times and it was definitely live, Gillian even playing the notes out of tune at the NEC.

I agree with kel's point about all songs being crafted in the studio first though, from 1987, and not getting any live outings pre-release. It's been a hell of a long time since Barney said 'this is a new song, you've never heard before' and meant it. Last ones for me was Touched or TF, or Dream Attack and Vanishing Point at Gmex, twenty years ago.

Nah, they played new tunes at the Olympia in 2001 before "Get Ready" was released....

Tim wrote: Think Technique came out the same week as those French dates in Jan 89?

The only things I am sure of are : They played on January 20th and that was a Friday. I already had these fine time records, not technique. Maybe technique was already released but I had not it by the concert yet. So that all the technique stuff was new to me.

I have to find the recording of this concert. I do not remember where I stored it...

PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote:

Nah, they played new tunes at the Olympia in 2001 before "Get Ready" was released....

But they had already recorded them, they were just new to a live audience. In the old days they developed the songs live before recording them, something they stopped doing after Brotherhood.

Ally wrote:

[magenta]cozmonite61[/magenta] wrote: Run Wild, Working Overtime, Close Range, Times Change, Liar, Avalanche, I Told You So

I'm curious to know how these songs don't work live considering they've never been played live? Run Wild, Working Overtime and Close Range fair enough but the others haven't been near a live stage!

Well, that proves my point. I only based my responses through what I have heard on CD.

Leigh maude wrote: Run was great live, just check out some of the '89 tour mixers or Big Word Cafe versions. Bernard doesnt know his arse from his elbow as to what sounds good live as he's never really enjoyed it anyway. Since 89 they haven't really gelled as a live band in my opinion, too clean and processed sounding.

Yeah go ahead and blame Barney, but Hooky also DID say that "Run" doesn't sound good live. BOTH said that "Run" didn't sound good live. Go watch the DVD again.

Ally wrote: Bizarre Love Triangle.

Can't knock the tune as a proper 80s synthpop classic on record but every time I see er... every time I hear it on a live performance I always skip to the next song for some reason. I think because out of the band the only person really doing anything worthwhile is Hooky; pretty much everything else is sequenced and a bit dull. I don't think it's dated well either.

Plus Barney typically doesn't wear a guitar when they play it and watching him jog on the spot while clutching the mike with both hands is a tad cringeworthy.

I'm voting for BLT too and I completely agree with you about Barney not wearing the guitar. I didn't really mind it in '98 when he hold the mic with one hand and did his grampa dance, but when he holds it with two hands and then makes his little girly jumps there, gosh that was... may I say, quite gay?

I usually remember to cover my eyes for the 'get down on my knees and pray' bit when watching DVDs.

At concerts I used to turn my back to the stage and look at someones tits until it was over.

Biginoil wrote: I usually remember to cover my eyes for the 'get down on my knees and pray' bit when watching DVDs.

At concerts I used to turn my back to the stage and look at someones tits until it was over.

I tend to cringe at the same point, then even more so during Blue Monday. I must say though, that Barneys dancing has a certain charm to it.