Remasters redux

Fug it.

If London/Warners isn't going to listen then I'll tackle this project myself. A good friend who is an audio restoration master and fellow New Order fan is going to team up with me to compile our own 2xCD remasters.

Here's how they'll look:

Movement

Disc One (52:17):

1. Dreams Never End
2. Truth
3. Senses
4. Chosen Time
5. ICB
6. The Him
7. Doubts Even Here
8. Denial (10 seconds of silence)
9. Truth (Peel Session 26 Jan '81)
10. Senses (Peel Session 26 Jan '81)
11. ICB (Peel Session 26 Jan '81)
12. Dreams Never End (Peel Session 26 Jan '81)

Disc Two (58:01):

1. Homage (Stephen vocal - Western Works demo)
2. Ceremony (1st version)
3. In A Lonely Place
4. Ceremony (2nd version)
5. Procession
6. Everything's Gone Green
7. Cries & Whispers
8. Mesh
9. Temptation (original 12" version)
10. Hurt (full 12" version)
11. Rocking Carol (Hacienda Christmas flexi)
12. Ode To Joy (Hacienda Christmas flexi)

Power, Corruption & Lies

Disc One (76:39):

1. Age Of Consent
2. We All Stand
3. The Village
4. 5 8 6
5. Your Silent Face
6. Ultraviolence
7. Ecstasy
8. Leave Me Alone (10 seconds of silence)
9. Blue Monday
10. The Beach
11. Turn The Heater On (Peel Session 1 June '82)
12. We All Stand (Peel Session 1 June '82)
13. Too Late (Peel Session 1 June '82)
14. 5 8 6 (Peel Session 1 June '82)

Disc Two (72:53):

1. Video 5 8 6
2. Confusion (original 12" version)
3. Confused Beats
4. Confusion Instrumental
5. Confusion Rough Mix
6. Thieves Like Us
7. Lonesome Tonight
8. Murder
9. Thieves LIke Us (12" Instrumental mix)

Lowlife

Disc One (57:23):

1. Love Vigilantes
2. The Perfect Kiss
3. This Time Of Night
4. Sunrise
5. Elegia
6. Sooner Than You Think
7. Subculture
8. Face Up (10 seconds of silence)
9. The Perfect Kiss (full 12" version)
10. Kiss Of Death
11. Perfect Pit

Disc Two (77:00):

1. Subculture (Record Mirror exclusive mix)
2. Subculture (12" remix)
3. Dubvulture (12" dub mix)
4. Shellshock (original mix)
5. Shellshock (full 12" remix)
6. Shellcock (12" dub mix)
7. Elegia (full-length version)
8. Sunrise (Discreet Campaigns instrumental mix)
9. The Perfect Kiss (live video shoot alternate take)

Brotherhood

Disc One (57:32):

1. Paradise
2. Weirdo
3. As It Was When It Was
4. Broken Promise
5. Way Of LIfe
6. Bizarre Love Triangle
7. All Day Long
8. Angel Dust
9. Every Little Counts (10 seconds of silence)
10. State Of The Nation
11. Shame Of The Nation

Disc Two (68:14)

1. Bizarre Love Triangle (Stephen Hague 7")
2. Bizarre Love Triangle (12" remix)
3. Bizarre Dub Triangle
4. True Faith
5. 1963
6. True Faith (full 12" remix)
7. Evil Dust
8. Paradise (Robert Racic 12")
9. Salvation Theme (from Salvation!)
10. Touched By The Hand Of God (from Salvation!)
11. Let's Go (from Salvation!)
12. Sputnik (from Salvation!)
13. Skullcrusher (from Salvation!)
14. Touched By The Hand Of God (12" remix)

Substance 1981-1990: The Factory Years

Disc One (58:11):

1. Ceremony (2nd version)
2. Procession
3. Everything's Gone Green
4. Temptation ('87 re-record)
5. Blue Monday
6. Confusion ('87 re-record)
7. Thieves Like Us
8. Murder
9. The Perfect Kiss (full 12" version)
10. Subculture (12" remix)

Disc Two (65:25):

1. Shellshock (full 12" remix)
2. State Of The Nation
3. Bizarre Love Triangle (12" remix)
4. True Faith
5. Touched By The Hand Of God (12" remix)
6. Blue Monday '88 (12" version)
7. Fine Time (Silk Mix)
8. Round & Round (Twelve Inch Mix)
9. Run 2 (Extended Version)
10. World In Motion (Carabinieri Mix)

Technique

Disc One (53:13):

1. Fine Time
2. All The Way
3. Loveless
4. Round & Round
5. Guilty Partner
6. Run
7. Mr. Disco
8. Vanishing Point
9. Dream Attack (10 seconds of silence)
10. Fine Time (12" alternate mix)
11. Don't Do It
12. Fine Line

Disc Two (62:32):

1. Blue Monday '88 (12" version)
2. Beach Buggy
3. Round & Round (12" Mix)
4. Round & Round (Club Mix)
5. Best & Marsh (full 12" version)
6. Vanishing Point (Instrumental Making Out Mix)
7. Run 2
8. Run 2 (Extended Version)
9. MTO
10. MTO (Minus Mix)
11. The Happy One
12. World In Motion

I've avoided the 7" edits since they can mostly be found on the Singles compilation. I've also skipped many redundant remixes that don't really add anything new.

My versions will not be compressed to hell, sacrificing dynamics for loudness.

I'll also be tackling Republic and Get Ready, the latter of which I'm going to completely overhaul, resequencing the album and bringing it closer to the advance promos the record label sent out.

I'd even pay for your versions, seriously mate, this is way better.

michael preda wrote: I'd even pay for your versions, seriously mate, this is way better.

Once they're finished I'll see what can be done to distribute them.

I'm still buying the official remasters for the artwork and liner notes, but I may as well toss the discs because I'll never listen to them over my own versions.

but could you add in somewhere the celebration, t.v show, whistle test from 85 etc.

we believe in the value of

79 order wrote: but could you add in somewhere the celebration, t.v show, whistle test from 85 etc.

we believe in the value of

I believe in the value of as well, but I'm thinking of that as an entirely separate project. The goal here is to tidy up the band's official recorded output.

I'd like to see a New Order "live" box like Bjork did, with a full CD of performances to correspond with each of New Order's albums. With the wealth of resources available through this list it could easily be achieved as a group effort.

good for you!

i'll be glad to donate some tracks, (i'm working on my own versions though)..

i still think you should max out each disc to 80 minutes though, no point in leaving wasted space.

later -1

-1 wrote: good for you!

i'll be glad to donate some tracks, (i'm working on my own versions though)..

i still think you should max out each disc to 80 minutes though, no point in leaving wasted space.

later -1

He has a point, if you do find a way to distribute them i'd love to own them. I too will purchase the remasters, for novelty I suppose, and because im missing lowlife and brotherhood. But seriously this is the best news i've heard on this forum for quite some time.

I'm in !!!!!

May i suggest to add Fine Line, messed around mix, Touched by the hand of dub, the 12" of TBTHOG, and also the full 12 from tempation, world in lotion (mark bell remix), confusion dub 87, Round and round (detroit remixes)

If you don't have enough space on CD, a bonus with some spare tracks could be worthy.

i'll be happy to contribue. if needed, PM me.

oups, i read the post too quickly. some stuff i suggest are on it.

but i think a bonus remixes cd would be cool. And 94/95 mixes for the most wild of us.

I think a master in NO discography like -1 could easily tell what's missing as remixes or alternate (minus 7" tracks)

b.

distribution : megaupload/rapidshare etc. with password

Awesome, exactly what the reissues should have been - except that I'd probably rather see the original albums left 'as is', ie no extra tracks. Save them for disc 2 IMO. I'm loads more excited about this!

brade27 wrote: Awesome, exactly what the reissues should have been - except that I'd probably rather see the original albums left 'as is

That leaves entirely too much wasted space. Movement is only about 35 minutes in length!

The 10-second spacer is in there after each proper album to draw a line. It'd take that much time for a CD changer to switch over, and honestly, most people don't listen to a traditional CD from start to finish anymore. I fully expect these to be cherry-picked for favorites and thrown into MP3 playlists.

bc2323 wrote: Fine Line, messed around mix....Round and round (detroit remixes).

Those have appeared on CD. Granted, they'd be hard to get ahold of, but with three remixes of each of those in the sets already, it's just overkill.

I won't be listening to many of the 2nd discs from start to finish - they're meant as more of an archive, and not a listening experience.

-1 wrote: i still think you should max out each disc to 80 minutes though, no point in leaving wasted space.

I may add another song here and there, but I tried to strike a balance between things that have never been on CD before and making them listenable. The remixes I've left off are, frankly, boring.

Yes,absolutely,count me in,paid for if need be too....just do me one favour,leave Shame of The Nation off anything,it makes me poo

Count me in. I will buy your CD's for sure.

£50 Note wrote:

-1 wrote: i still think you should max out each disc to 80 minutes though, no point in leaving wasted space.

I may add another song here and there, but I tried to strike a balance between things that have never been on CD before and making them listenable. The remixes I've left off are, frankly, boring.

i wasn't actually trying to change your mind, since this is your project... just giving some thoughts...

there are plenty of 7" Notable edits, and mixes that you could use, that would be great to hear,

i mentioned that i worked on a project in 2003, and we remastered pretty much every 7" edit out there, however consider these tracks/mixes:

movement

bemusic tracks haystack temptation (from 'something wild') 3:28 do the ostrich

power corruption and lies

thieves like us (instrumental edit) 3:55 confusion (german or uk 7" edit)

low-life

why use : The Perfect Kiss (live video shoot alternate take) which is already on retro, when you could use the original video version? the perfect kiss (live video) 9:55

most people haven't heard this: touched by the hand of god (arthur baker remix) 7:56

brotherhood

this is a rare promo edit: bizarre love triangle (extended edit) 4:58

a think a lot of people would want this: true dub (or alternate faith dub) 10:41

substance

your substance discs have a lot of duplicates, and could use a different track listing...

technique

world in motion'96 (mark bell remix) 4:56 blue monday 1988 (dub version) 7:16

not sure what you mean by "alternate mix" for fine time: fine time (silk mix) 6:15 fine time (messed around mix) 4:33

otherwise, it looks good.. just a few more tracks could add to it..

later -1

kel wrote: Yes,absolutely,count me in,paid for if need be too....just do me one favour,leave Shame of The Nation off anything,it makes me poo

or... you could just MAKE your own version, and leave it off.

i would rather have it on there, since it is actually a part of new order's history......

whether you like it or not, doesn't change that..

later -1

Bravo!

£50 Note wrote:

bc2323 wrote: Fine Line, messed around mix....Round and round (detroit remixes).

Those have appeared on CD. Granted, they'd be hard to get ahold of, but with three remixes of each of those in the sets already, it's just overkill.

I won't be listening to many of the 2nd discs from start to finish - they're meant as more of an archive, and not a listening experience.

that's why i meant a bonus CD for the hardcore ones, with the left off remixes or edit. but your idea in the first places is brilliant

Fantastic idea and job

I would definetly love to get/buy your cds This looks like the ultimate collector edition of the Factory albums to me

twp wrote: Fantastic idea and job

I would definetly love to get/buy your cds This looks like the ultimate collector edition of the Factory albums to me

+1

fantastic if this comes off - just what i would do if time & audio improvment capabilities were available. Another geek signed up, one less person for London reissue shambles

Oh - and the full 10 min vers of True Dub 87' would be nice

Good job, Jeb. I'll be waiting for it.

BTW, your NO remixes DJ sets are still favorites in my car, mate. Cheers.

Just a small question, if they were made into torrents would they be flac files?

I'm definitely interested as well! I want to make one suggestion though. Either eliminate the 10 seconds of silence or put it on its own track. A track that continues 10 seconds after the song ends is kind of annoying, especially if you want to use it on a mix CD.

Those look great, I am interested.

bc2323 wrote: distribution : megaupload/rapidshare etc. with password

assuming 320kbps minimum...

wow, this is amazing, if its okay count me in and i'll be paying

thanks

rick

Excellent idea, well done and count me in, I would happily contribute to this.

hibster wrote:

bc2323 wrote: distribution : megaupload/rapidshare etc. with password

assuming 320kbps minimum...

pleeeeease, if this wonderful idea comes true, make it FLAC, not mp3.

Goratrix wrote:

hibster wrote:

bc2323 wrote: distribution : megaupload/rapidshare etc. with password

assuming 320kbps minimum...

pleeeeease, if this wonderful idea comes true, make it FLAC, not mp3.

why???

structure wrote:

Goratrix wrote:

hibster wrote:

bc2323 wrote: distribution : megaupload/rapidshare etc. with password

assuming 320kbps minimum...

pleeeeease, if this wonderful idea comes true, make it FLAC, not mp3.

why???

So none of the sound is compressed,otherwise they probably won't sound much better then the originals. I agree with the Flac notion, also due to lossless taking up less disc space.

structure wrote:

Goratrix wrote:

hibster wrote:

bc2323 wrote: distribution : megaupload/rapidshare etc. with password

assuming 320kbps minimum...

pleeeeease, if this wonderful idea comes true, make it FLAC, not mp3.

why???

because 320 kbps mp3 makes no sense whatsoever from a quality/size point of view. also with FLAC, you are as close as possible to the original and everyone can make his own mp3 version in a bitrate that suits him.

Or you could convert it to a lossless file that your player can use. For example I use Windows Media Losless to archive all my NO stuff, so it's not like I lose quality.

I'm in! Happy to pay as well :-)

not to undermine anything..

but what are you paying for?..

all these tracks will be free, there are projects that will include all of these and more..

later -1

Sounds great at any price.

To have you choose the tunes, their order, consistent.

Show London, Warners, Rhino how it's..

Stupid question:

Will New Order agree with such a project?

I mean, they do more compilations than albums and concerts for a living... and all this money not going via/to their pockets...

3615 Jiphy wrote: Stupid question:

Will New Order agree with such a project?

I mean, they do more compilations than albums and concerts for a living... and all this money not going via/to their pockets...

They probably wont, but material like this is constantly on the net. I've seen it done before with Depeche Mode's world violation tour soundboard, the fans were willing to pay warner for it, but they found a bootleg and warner could've made a killing. Besides, New Order at this point is just Hooky, who seems to be the only one in the know, or caring about NO stuff.

Alrighty.

After a bit of discussion back and forth with my partner in this project and with a few other folks here on the boards, I've made some changes.

Movement

Disc One (56:27):

1. Dreams Never End 3:13
2. Truth 4:37
3. Senses 4.45
4. Chosen Time 4.07
5. ICB 4.33
6. The Him 5.29
7. Doubts Even Here 4:16
8. Denial 4:20 (10 seconds of silence)
9. Ceremony (2nd version) 4:22
10. Procession 4:25
11. Everything's Gone Green 5:33
12. Temptation (original 12" version) 8:47

Disc Two (56:06):

1. Homage (Stephen vocal - Western Works demos) 4:02
2. Haystack (with Kevin Hewick) 3:35
3. Truth (Peel Session 26 Jan '81) 4:13
4. Senses (Peel Session 26 Jan '81) 4:15
5. ICB (Peel Session 26 Jan '81) 5:15
6. Dreams Never End (Peel Session 26 Jan '81) 3:05
7. Ceremony (1st version) 4:43
8. In A Lonely Place 6:12
9. Cries & Whispers 3:25
10. Mesh 3:00
11. Hurt (full 12" version) 8:13
12. Rocking Carol (Hacienda Christmas flexi) 3:33
13. Ode To Joy (Hacienda Christmas flexi) 3:55

On all of these discs I'm thinking the 10-second spacer will either be it's own track, or, if we can figure out how to do it, some sort of countdown that doesn't just append a track with 10 seconds of silence.

Power, Corruption & Lies

Disc One (71.50):

1. Age Of Consent 5:13
2. We All Stand 5:13
3. The Village 4:36
4. 5 8 6 7:28
5. Your Silent Face 5:58
6. Ultraviolence 4:48
7. Ecstasy 4:24
8. Leave Me Alone 4:38 (10 seconds of silence)
9. Blue Monday (original 3-beat intro) 7:29
10. Confusion (original 12" version) 8:13
11. Thieves Like Us 6:36
12. Murder 3:55 (10 seconds of silence)
13. Confused Beats (unlisted bonus track) 5:19

Disc Two (76:04):

1. Video 5 8 6 22:25
2. Turn The Heater On (Peel Session 1 June '82) 5:00
3. We All Stand (Peel Session 1 June '82) 5:15
4. Too Late (Peel Session 1 June '82) 3:35
5. 5 8 6 (Peel Session 1 June '82) 6:05
6. Confusion Rough Mix 8:04
7. Lonesome Tonight 5:11
8. The Beach 7:19
9. Confusion Instrumental 7:33
10. Thieves Like Us (12" Instrumental mix) 6:57

Lowlife

Disc One (61:12):

1. Love Vigilantes 4:18
2. The Perfect Kiss 4:48
3. This Time Of Night 4:43
4. Sunrise 5:58
5. Elegia 4:53
6. Sooner Than You Think 5:11
7. Subculture 4:54
8. Face Up 5:03 (10 seconds of silence)
9. The Perfect Kiss (full 12" version) 8:46
10. Subculture (Record Mirror exclusive mix) 7:10
11. Shellshock (original mix) 6:04 (10 seconds of silence)
12. Perfect Pit (unlisted bonus track) 1:24

Disc Two (78:30):

1. The Perfect Kiss (live video alternate take) 9:57
2. Subculture (12" remix) 7:26
3. Shellshock (full 12" remix) 9:41
4. Elegia (full-length version) 17:31
5. Sunrise (Discreet Campaigns instrumental mix) 5:39
6. Kiss Of Death 7:02
7. Dubvulture (12" dub mix) 7:57
8. Shellcock (12" dub mix) 7:35
9. Let's Go (demo version with vocals) 3:52
10. Theme 3:10

Brotherhood

Disc One (59:36):

1. Paradise 3:48
2. Weirdo 3:51
3. As It Was When It Was 3:43
4. Broken Promise 3:44
5. Way Of LIfe 4:03
6. Bizarre Love Triangle 4:20
7. All Day Long 5:09
8. Angel Dust 3:40
9. Every Little Counts 4:25 (10 seconds of silence)
10. State Of The Nation 6:32
11. Bizarre Love Triangle (Stephen Hague 7") 3:54
12. True Faith 5:55
13. 1963 5:32
14. Touched By The Hand Of God 3:40

Disc Two (72:08)

1. Shame Of The Nation 7:54
2. Bizarre Love Triangle (12" remix) 6:44
3. True Faith (full 12" remix) 8:59
4. Evil Dust 3:43
5. Paradise (Robert Racic 12") 6:35
6. Salvation Theme (from Salvation!) 2:12
7. Touched By The Hand Of God (from Salvation!) 4:59
8. Let's Go (from Salvation!) 3:42
9. Sputnik (from Salvation!) 2:28
10. Skullcrusher (from Salvation!) 2:49
11. Touched By The Hand Of God (12" remix) 7:02
12. Bizarre Dub Triangle 7:00
13. True Dub 10.41

Substance 1981-1990: The Factory Years

Disc One (57:71):

1. Ceremony (2nd version) 4:22
2. Procession 4:25
3. Everything's Gone Green 5:33
4. Temptation ('87 re-record) 6:58
5. Blue Monday 7:29
6. Confusion ('87 re-record) 4:41
7. Thieves Like Us 6:36
8. Murder 3:55
9. The Perfect Kiss (full 12" version) 8:46
10. Subculture (12" remix) 7:26

Disc Two (65:25):

1. Shellshock (full 12" remix) 9:41
2. State Of The Nation 6:32
3. Bizarre Love Triangle (12" remix) 6:44
4. True Faith 5:55
5. Touched By The Hand Of God (12" remix) 7:02
6. Blue Monday 1988 (12" version) 7:10
7. Fine Time (Silk Mix) 6:15
8. Round & Round (Twelve Inch Mix) 6:52
9. Run 2 (Extended Version) 5:22
10. World In Motion (Carabinieri Mix) 5:52

Technique

Disc One (60:34):

1. Fine Time 4:42
2. All The Way 3:22
3. Loveless 2:58
4. Round & Round 4:29
5. Guilty Partner 4:44
6. Run 4:26
7. Mr. Disco 4:20
8. Vanishing Point 5:14
9. Dream Attack 5:13 (10 seconds of silence)
10. Blue Monday 1988 4:10
11. Fine Time (12" alternate mix) 4:42
12. Round & Round (Twelve Inch Mix) 6:52
13. Run 2 3:35
14. World In Motion 4:27

Disc Two (69:58):

1. Blue Monday 1988 (12" version) 7:10
2. Fine Time (Silk Mix) 6:15
3. Don't Do It 4:30
4. Round & Round (12" Remix) 6:50
5. Best & Marsh (full 12" version) 4:32
6. Vanishing Point (Instrumental Making Out Mix) 5:10
7. Run 2 (Extended Version) 5:22
8. MTO 3:43
9. The Happy One 4:17
10. Beach Buggy 6:52
11. Fine Line 4:43
12. Round & Round (Club Mix) 7:10
13. MTO (Minus Mix) 5:24

Republic

Disc One (67:04):

1. Regret 4:08
2. World (The Price Of Love) 4:44
3. Ruined In A Day 4:23
4. Spooky 4:44
5. Everyone Everywhere 4:25
6. Young Offender 4:48
7. Liar 4:22
8. Chemical 4:11
9. Times Change 3:53
10. Special 4:51
11. Avalanche 3:14 (10 seconds of silence)
12. World (The Price Of Love) (Tony Garcia Mix) 3:29
13. Vicious Circle (New Order Mix) 4:09
14. True Faith '94 (Perfecto Mix) 6:23
15. 1963 '95 (Arthur Baker Radio Remix) 4:04
16. Let's Go (Nothing For Me) 3:56

Disc Two (78:02):

1. Regret (Sabres Slow 'n' Low) 12:42
2. Reunited In A Day 6:14
3. World (The Brothers In Rhythm Mix) 8:03
4. Spooky (New Order In Heaven Mix) 6:10
5. 1963 (Lionrock M6 Sunday Morning Mix) 6:25
6. Blue Monday '95 (Hawtin Mix) 8:02
7. Confusion (Pump Panel Reconstruction Mix) 10:11
8. Everything's Gone Green (Dave Clarke Mix) 5:26
9. Temptation (CJ Bolland Mix) 7:43
10. Blue Monday '95 (Andrea Mix) 8:26

Get Ready (Version 2.0)

Disc One (77:58): Crystal 6:51 Close Range 4:13 Vicious Streak (pre-release alternate mix) 6:44 Player In The League 5:37 Here To Stay (single edit) 3:57 Someone Like You 5:42 Primitive Notion 5:44 60 Miles An Hour 4:35 Run Wild (Steve Osbourne Original Mix) 4:14 (10 seconds of silence) Soundtrack 30:15

Disc Two (77:44): Temptation '98 4:08 Isolation (Peel Session 24 Nov '98) 2:44 Brutal 4:49 True Faith '01 (Morel's Pink Noise Club Mix) 8:50 Turn My Way (pre-release alternate mix) 5:13 Slow Jam (pre-release alternate mix) 5:35 Close Range (BBC Evening Session 17 Oct '01) 5:01 Crystal (Unreleased Club 69 Mix) 10:44 60 Miles An Hour (Superman Lovers Remix) 4:53 Someone Like You (Futureshock Vocal Mix) 8:04 Here To Stay (Full Length Vocal) 5:00 Sabotage 4:53 Such A Good Thing 4:05 Here To Stay (Extended Instrumental) 5:57

I was severely disappointed when Get Ready was released. A friend who works for Billboard Magazine had mailed me his official pre-release copy from Warner Brothers, and a couple of the tracks on that had now been relegated to B-sides while crap like Rock The Shack was now included (you'll notice it's not anywhere in this set). Since the album was only released 7 years ago and doesn't need remastering, this is my opportunity to reimagine that album the way I wanted to hear it. Turn My Way and Slow Jam are present, but only on disc two and only in their pre-release incarnation. F*ck Billy Corgan.

Oh, and, instead of complaining about me altering the album, let me suggest you make your own version instead.

Waiting For The Sirens' Call

Disc One (78:13):

1. Who's Joe? 5:41
2. Hey Now What You Doing 5:16
3. Waiting For The Sirens' Call 5:42
4. Krafty 4:33
5. I Told You So 6:00
6. Morning Night And Day 5:12
7. Dracula's Castle 5:40
8. Jetstream 5:23
9. Guilt Is A Useless Emotion 5:39
10. Turn 4:35
11. Working Overtime 3:26 (10 seconds of silence)
12. Krafty (Morel's Pink Noise Vocal) 7:52
13. Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Bill Hamel Mix) 8:40
14. Waiting For The Sirens' Call (10" Tribute Mix) 7:14

Disc Two (79:24):

1. Krafty (Japanese Version) 4:33
2. Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Pink Noise Mix) 7:50
3. Waiting For The Sirens' Call (Rich Costey Mix) 5:40
4. Bizarre Love Triangle (Richard X Full Length) 7:06
5. Everything's Gone Green (Martin Buttrich Remix) 4:57
6. Temptation (Secret Machines Remix Full Length) 7:27
7. Waiting For The Siren's Call (Planet Funk) 7:25
8. Confusion (Koma & Bones Remix) 8:12
9. Jetstream (Jacques Lu Cont Dub) 8:31
10. True Faith (King Roc Remix) 8:19
11. Regret (Tocadisco Remix) 5:59
12. I Told You So (Stuart Price's Remix) 5:25

I'll see to it that these are distributed via CD-R, torrents, and the like. The audio will be lossless - there's no point in remastering something only to rip it down to MP3.

Distribution will have to become a community effort.

£50 Note wrote: Alrighty.

After a bit of discussion back and forth with my partner in this project and with a few other folks here on the boards, I've made some changes.

Movement

Disc One (56:27):

1. Dreams Never End 3:13
2. Truth 4:37
3. Senses 4.45
4. Chosen Time 4.07
5. ICB 4.33
6. The Him 5.29
7. Doubts Even Here 4:16
8. Denial 4:20 (10 seconds of silence)
9. Ceremony (2nd version) 4:22
10. Procession 4:25
11. Everything's Gone Green 5:33
12. Temptation (original 12" version) 8:47

Disc Two (56:06):

1. Homage (Stephen vocal - Western Works demos) 4:02
2. Haystack (with Kevin Hewick) 3:35
3. Truth (Peel Session 26 Jan '81) 4:13
4. Senses (Peel Session 26 Jan '81) 4:15
5. ICB (Peel Session 26 Jan '81) 5:15
6. Dreams Never End (Peel Session 26 Jan '81) 3:05
7. Ceremony (1st version) 4:43
8. In A Lonely Place 6:12
9. Cries & Whispers 3:25
10. Mesh 3:00
11. Hurt (full 12" version) 8:13
12. Rocking Carol (Hacienda Christmas flexi) 3:33
13. Ode To Joy (Hacienda Christmas flexi) 3:55

On all of these discs I'm thinking the 10-second spacer will either be it's own track, or, if we can figure out how to do it, some sort of countdown that doesn't just append a track with 10 seconds of silence.

Power, Corruption & Lies

Disc One (71.50):

1. Age Of Consent 5:13
2. We All Stand 5:13
3. The Village 4:36
4. 5 8 6 7:28
5. Your Silent Face 5:58
6. Ultraviolence 4:48
7. Ecstasy 4:24
8. Leave Me Alone 4:38 (10 seconds of silence)
9. Blue Monday (original 3-beat intro) 7:29
10. Confusion (original 12" version) 8:13
11. Thieves Like Us 6:36
12. Murder 3:55 (10 seconds of silence)
13. Confused Beats (unlisted bonus track) 5:19

Disc Two (76:04):

1. Video 5 8 6 22:25
2. Turn The Heater On (Peel Session 1 June '82) 5:00
3. We All Stand (Peel Session 1 June '82) 5:15
4. Too Late (Peel Session 1 June '82) 3:35
5. 5 8 6 (Peel Session 1 June '82) 6:05
6. Confusion Rough Mix 8:04
7. Lonesome Tonight 5:11
8. The Beach 7:19
9. Confusion Instrumental 7:33
10. Thieves Like Us (12" Instrumental mix) 6:57

Lowlife

Disc One (61:12):

1. Love Vigilantes 4:18
2. The Perfect Kiss 4:48
3. This Time Of Night 4:43
4. Sunrise 5:58
5. Elegia 4:53
6. Sooner Than You Think 5:11
7. Subculture 4:54
8. Face Up 5:03 (10 seconds of silence)
9. The Perfect Kiss (full 12" version) 8:46
10. Subculture (Record Mirror exclusive mix) 7:10
11. Shellshock (original mix) 6:04 (10 seconds of silence)
12. Perfect Pit (unlisted bonus track) 1:24

Disc Two (78:30):

1. The Perfect Kiss (live video alternate take) 9:57
2. Subculture (12" remix) 7:26
3. Shellshock (full 12" remix) 9:41
4. Elegia (full-length version) 17:31
5. Sunrise (Discreet Campaigns instrumental mix) 5:39
6. Kiss Of Death 7:02
7. Dubvulture (12" dub mix) 7:57
8. Shellcock (12" dub mix) 7:35
9. Let's Go (demo version with vocals) 3:52
10. Theme 3:10

Brotherhood

Disc One (59:36):

1. Paradise 3:48
2. Weirdo 3:51
3. As It Was When It Was 3:43
4. Broken Promise 3:44
5. Way Of LIfe 4:03
6. Bizarre Love Triangle 4:20
7. All Day Long 5:09
8. Angel Dust 3:40
9. Every Little Counts 4:25 (10 seconds of silence)
10. State Of The Nation 6:32
11. Bizarre Love Triangle (Stephen Hague 7") 3:54
12. True Faith 5:55
13. 1963 5:32
14. Touched By The Hand Of God 3:40

Disc Two (72:08)

1. Shame Of The Nation 7:54
2. Bizarre Love Triangle (12" remix) 6:44
3. True Faith (full 12" remix) 8:59
4. Evil Dust 3:43
5. Paradise (Robert Racic 12") 6:35
6. Salvation Theme (from Salvation!) 2:12
7. Touched By The Hand Of God (from Salvation!) 4:59
8. Let's Go (from Salvation!) 3:42
9. Sputnik (from Salvation!) 2:28
10. Skullcrusher (from Salvation!) 2:49
11. Touched By The Hand Of God (12" remix) 7:02
12. Bizarre Dub Triangle 7:00
13. True Dub 10.41

Substance 1981-1990: The Factory Years

Disc One (57:71):

1. Ceremony (2nd version) 4:22
2. Procession 4:25
3. Everything's Gone Green 5:33
4. Temptation ('87 re-record) 6:58
5. Blue Monday 7:29
6. Confusion ('87 re-record) 4:41
7. Thieves Like Us 6:36
8. Murder 3:55
9. The Perfect Kiss (full 12" version) 8:46
10. Subculture (12" remix) 7:26

Disc Two (65:25):

1. Shellshock (full 12" remix) 9:41
2. State Of The Nation 6:32
3. Bizarre Love Triangle (12" remix) 6:44
4. True Faith 5:55
5. Touched By The Hand Of God (12" remix) 7:02
6. Blue Monday 1988 (12" version) 7:10
7. Fine Time (Silk Mix) 6:15
8. Round & Round (Twelve Inch Mix) 6:52
9. Run 2 (Extended Version) 5:22
10. World In Motion (Carabinieri Mix) 5:52

Technique

Disc One (60:34):

1. Fine Time 4:42
2. All The Way 3:22
3. Loveless 2:58
4. Round & Round 4:29
5. Guilty Partner 4:44
6. Run 4:26
7. Mr. Disco 4:20
8. Vanishing Point 5:14
9. Dream Attack 5:13 (10 seconds of silence)
10. Blue Monday 1988 4:10
11. Fine Time (12" alternate mix) 4:42
12. Round & Round (Twelve Inch Mix) 6:52
13. Run 2 3:35
14. World In Motion 4:27

Disc Two (69:58):

1. Blue Monday 1988 (12" version) 7:10
2. Fine Time (Silk Mix) 6:15
3. Don't Do It 4:30
4. Round & Round (12" Remix) 6:50
5. Best & Marsh (full 12" version) 4:32
6. Vanishing Point (Instrumental Making Out Mix) 5:10
7. Run 2 (Extended Version) 5:22
8. MTO 3:43
9. The Happy One 4:17
10. Beach Buggy 6:52
11. Fine Line 4:43
12. Round & Round (Club Mix) 7:10
13. MTO (Minus Mix) 5:24

Republic

Disc One (67:04):

1. Regret 4:08
2. World (The Price Of Love) 4:44
3. Ruined In A Day 4:23
4. Spooky 4:44
5. Everyone Everywhere 4:25
6. Young Offender 4:48
7. Liar 4:22
8. Chemical 4:11
9. Times Change 3:53
10. Special 4:51
11. Avalanche 3:14 (10 seconds of silence)
12. World (The Price Of Love) (Tony Garcia Mix) 3:29
13. Vicious Circle (New Order Mix) 4:09
14. True Faith '94 (Perfecto Mix) 6:23
15. 1963 '95 (Arthur Baker Radio Remix) 4:04
16. Let's Go (Nothing For Me) 3:56

Disc Two (78:02):

1. Regret (Sabres Slow 'n' Low) 12:42
2. Reunited In A Day 6:14
3. World (The Brothers In Rhythm Mix) 8:03
4. Spooky (New Order In Heaven Mix) 6:10
5. 1963 (Lionrock M6 Sunday Morning Mix) 6:25
6. Blue Monday '95 (Hawtin Mix) 8:02
7. Confusion (Pump Panel Reconstruction Mix) 10:11
8. Everything's Gone Green (Dave Clarke Mix) 5:26
9. Temptation (CJ Bolland Mix) 7:43
10. Blue Monday '95 (Andrea Mix) 8:26

Get Ready (Version 2.0)

Disc One (77:58): Crystal 6:51 Close Range 4:13 Vicious Streak (pre-release alternate mix) 6:44 Player In The League 5:37 Here To Stay (single edit) 3:57 Someone Like You 5:42 Primitive Notion 5:44 60 Miles An Hour 4:35 Run Wild (Steve Osbourne Original Mix) 4:14 (10 seconds of silence) Soundtrack 30:15

Disc Two (77:44): Temptation '98 4:08 Isolation (Peel Session 24 Nov '98) 2:44 Brutal 4:49 True Faith '01 (Morel's Pink Noise Club Mix) 8:50 Turn My Way (pre-release alternate mix) 5:13 Slow Jam (pre-release alternate mix) 5:35 Close Range (BBC Evening Session 17 Oct '01) 5:01 Crystal (Unreleased Club 69 Mix) 10:44 60 Miles An Hour (Superman Lovers Remix) 4:53 Someone Like You (Futureshock Vocal Mix) 8:04 Here To Stay (Full Length Vocal) 5:00 Sabotage 4:53 Such A Good Thing 4:05 Here To Stay (Extended Instrumental) 5:57

I was severely disappointed when Get Ready was released. A friend who works for Billboard Magazine had mailed me his official pre-release copy from Warner Brothers, and a couple of the tracks on that had now been relegated to B-sides while shit like Rock The Shack was now included (you'll notice it's not anywhere in this set). Since the album was only released 7 years ago and doesn't need remastering, this is my opportunity to reimagine that album the way I wanted to hear it. Turn My Way and Slow Jam are present, but only on disc two and only in their pre-release incarnation. F*ck Billy Corgan.

Oh, and, instead of complaining about me altering the album, let me suggest you make your own version instead.

Waiting For The Sirens' Call

Disc One (78:13):

1. Who's Joe? 5:41
2. Hey Now What You Doing 5:16
3. Waiting For The Sirens' Call 5:42
4. Krafty 4:33
5. I Told You So 6:00
6. Morning Night And Day 5:12
7. Dracula's Castle 5:40
8. Jetstream 5:23
9. Guilt Is A Useless Emotion 5:39
10. Turn 4:35
11. Working Overtime 3:26 (10 seconds of silence)
12. Krafty (Morel's Pink Noise Vocal) 7:52
13. Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Bill Hamel Mix) 8:40
14. Waiting For The Sirens' Call (10" Tribute Mix) 7:14

Disc Two (79:24):

1. Krafty (Japanese Version) 4:33
2. Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Pink Noise Mix) 7:50
3. Waiting For The Sirens' Call (Rich Costey Mix) 5:40
4. Bizarre Love Triangle (Richard X Full Length) 7:06
5. Everything's Gone Green (Martin Buttrich Remix) 4:57
6. Temptation (Secret Machines Remix Full Length) 7:27
7. Waiting For The Siren's Call (Planet Funk) 7:25
8. Confusion (Koma & Bones Remix) 8:12
9. Jetstream (Jacques Lu Cont Dub) 8:31
10. True Faith (King Roc Remix) 8:19
11. Regret (Tocadisco Remix) 5:59
12. I Told You So (Stuart Price's Remix) 5:25

I'll see to it that these are distributed via CD-R, torrents, and the like. The audio will be lossless - there's no point in remastering something only to rip it down to MP3.

Distribution will have to become a community effort.

Now this is a proper fucking remastered collection, this is the excitment I SHOULD'VE felt for the official ones. God bless your soul, and keep me updated on these, i'm more then intrigued, good job man.

excellent job, i see you've made some addition..

i noticed you still have time left on several of the cd's...

there is room for more..

and why have unlisted bonus tracks, if you're telling us what they are?

it would have been more fun if you really kept them a secret..

later -1

What a great (new) tracklisting!

I especially like this comment on Get Ready:

"I was severely disappointed when Get Ready was released. A friend who works for Billboard Magazine had mailed me his official pre-release copy from Warner Brothers, and a couple of the tracks on that had now been relegated to B-sides while crap like Rock The Shack was now included (you'll notice it's not anywhere in this set). Since the album was only released 7 years ago and doesn't need remastering, this is my opportunity to reimagine that album the way I wanted to hear it. Turn My Way and Slow Jam are present, but only on disc two and only in their pre-release incarnation. F*ck Billy Corgan."

I thought that Rock The Shack was sounding like another band! It is completely out of place and maybe even Run Wild is.

Also, I always thought that Player In The League deserved to be an album track (instead of a b-side and letting Rock The Shit have all the fun on the album ) because it's classic New Order with some neat bass later on in the song.

Besides the new tracklisting (which is maybe not the final one) I think the 'upgraded' Get Ready is very cool now.

'scuse my ignorance, but what does 'remastered' actually mean here?

What will your source material be? How will you remaster it?

Looks like a smashing project though - can't wait for the results.

Particularly like your stated intention not to simply turn the volume up on the mix...

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No room for Behind Closed Doors though?

For those torrent(ly) challenged, these would fit onto three DVDRs or maybe only two in FLAC format. You could do a vine or weed and perhaps put this in the 'TLU' forum. At first, I was dead against this going in TLU but whatever is easier.

DJ D is quite correct, no Behind Closed Doors on Get ready?, is that an oversight?

Is the "10 seconds of silence" a good idea? I'm not sure...no official "original cd plus bonus tracks" release does this and it seems to be just a pointless gimmick to me...furthermore, if those 10 seconds will be a part of the previous or next track, they are going to mess up the listening experience when listening in shuffle/random mode. You should consider dropping it, imho.

EDIT: oh, I see you adressed this in your post, I didn't notice it at first...Anyway, I'd suggest dropping the idea altogether.

vietnam should be on there also..

for me, my versions will be at least 3xCD sets so it can include all the tracks , and mixes..

later -1

Spike's mix of World instead of the Brothers In Rhythm version (only found on the longer video version btw)

Most defo interested Jeb, if i can help you out with any promo tracks then let me know. You,ll have tell how to send em to you tho.

DJ Diamond wrote: 'scuse my ignorance, but what does 'remastered' actually mean here?

What will your source material be? How will you remaster it?

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No room for Behind Closed Doors though?

I left Behind Closed Doors off for two reasons - one, I don't like it, and two, it's easily located on CD while many of the other things I'm including on disc two of Get Ready are not. That one is more of a re-imagine project than a remaster project.

I'm going to answer your first question more in-depth further down the thread, but we've very carefully collected the highest-bitrate versions of the rare and remixed material. In some cases we have to use a needle-drop, but about 85% of the source material is digital. "Remaster" in this instance means re-EQing and adjusting volume levels to create a consistent listening experience without squeezing out all the dynamics. It probably is better to call this a "reissue" project, but my partner is an expert in audio restoration, and his needle-drops sound like CD quality once he's finished with them. Let me assure you Bruce is using high-end audiophile equipment. Scroll down for examples.

Since people have asked, I wanted to address the whole "remaster" thing. My friend Bruce, who is helping with the project, posted this in his audio restoration blog:

___________________________________________________________________________

I've started work on "Shellshock" because I have all the official releases of this song in my possession. It pre-dated the popularity of CD single, so it was originally only put out as a 12" single, with a much shorter version released as a 7". The song was included on the Substance compilation, but approximately 3 minutes of the original 12" mix were edited out.

I've cleaned up the 12", and by comparing to the CD with some frequency analysis, I can get a near-exact sonic match by dropping 3dB off the treble starting at around 6KHz. It's often not possible to get so close between vinyl and CD, because often there is different dynamic compression applied at the mastering stage, or vertical limiting done on the vinyl that alters the stereo image. But this time I was lucky, because I wanted to see if I could get away with splicing in the parts on the 12" that got edited out. See, the 12" has some groove echo at the beginning, where during the sparse passages, you can faintly hear what is going to come around on the next revolution, plus the residual surface noise from vinyl. Obviously, the CD doesn't have this. So I got the vinyl to sound as close to the CD as I could and edited away. I think I was able to pull this off, which is quite rare, so before I finish the other songs from this single, I'm asking for the opinions of your unbiased ears. Here's the track by itself: do you hear any change in tonality for the portions that are sourced from vinyl?

Shellshock (12" Mix) M4A format, 18.23 MB

The first edit is at the 4:34 mark, right at "After all the years..." and goes until 6:57, ending right before "I've been good and I've been bad...". The second is at 7:28, between the "Hold-" and "-on" (it sounds a bit awkward, but it does on the 12" too) and goes until the "-on" at 8:20.

In the process of doing this, I discovered that the phase is inverted on the CD compared to the 12". No biggie. But I also found that the CD has a creeping delay on the high frequencies...

Below are a couple of screenshots from Adobe Audition displaying about half a second of the song in spectral view. What spectral view does is instead of showing a waveform, it displays the sound content by frequency. This is what I stare at for hours while I'm cleaning up a recording, manually highlighting clicks and removing them, and advancing the screen about half a second at a time. There are two displays; the top is the left channel and the bottom is the right. The higher the frequency, the higher it appears in the spectral view, although this is linear, so the midrange and bass are actually all in the lower quarter of the display. Louder frequencies are in yellow, medium in red, light in purple, and silence is black. Viewing the file this way makes removing pops and clicks much easier, because they appear as bright vertical lines. Anyway...

This shows about half a second of the song, as taken from the 12". See how the pulse-waves in the right channel are perfectly vertical.

Here's the same segment from the CD. Note that the lines lean up to the right, indicating that the highs are slightly delayed (BTW, the abrupt roll-off above 20KHz is normal for CDs from this era). I think this might go some ways as to explaining why some audiophile purists believe that the 12" has better sound than the CD. I confess that I can't hear the difference, but then again, my hearing cuts off at about 16KHz. ___________________________________________________________________________

I think this sounds remarkable. It still needs some subtle EQing that will take place in the final stages, but that's a minor detail.

As another example, Bruce has already done the complete Confusion 12". Here's the main mix:

Confusion (Original 12" Mix) M4A format, 15:51 MB

We've decided in addition to these deluxe fan-made reissues we're also going to do a complete singles box - what Recycle would have been.

"We've decided in addition to these deluxe fan-made reissues we're also going to do a complete singles box - what Recycle would have been."

Even greater news!

I just downloaded the sample of Shellshock and it sounds perfect. Getting a New Order singles box set with rips this high quality sounding will be awesome.

We can take this even further by restoring the artwork to be printed as CD sleeves. I'm fairly good with photo restoration, but just have the CD releases. If someone can scan in the vinyl artwork at 600DPI and emailed me JPEG files, I can work on some of those in my spare time.

The Shellshock edits are clean, but I'm picking up on the difference in sound. It won't be obvious to everybody and I'm not even sure it's as obvious as I think due to my familiarity with CD version of the song. There's a slight change in tone and depth and I want to say the vocal gets slightly louder... very slightly, but it was enough to abruptly catch my attention. It's late so I'm listening through my phones and can't turn up the monitors for a better reference. You might try a convolution EQ to better match the two sources. There's also quite a few odd comps throughout the entire song I'd never picked up on before. The high frequency stuff puzzles me but it could be a byproduct of how the original master was put to disk. The Anyway, not trying to be an ass but thought I'd mention it so take it all with a grain of salt. Best of luck on this project!

These are amazing samples, I'm excited for the release of these, definitely way better then the crap mastering on Singles etc.

count me in on the recycle project,

i've been trying to get that started for 2 years, now, and have about 30 tracklistings for the singles..

by the way, the samples sound great..

later -1

Brilliant idea and excellent tracklistings.

I'd certainly be intereseted in these.

I agree with Solitude about setting up a weed thread on TLU.

I'd be happy to weed on to anyone who wanted copies.

Might it be an idea to stick up some cover artwork that people can download?

I have to say I'm much more excited about this than the London re-issues.

Peace

I'm not listing on headphones and crappy powerbook speakers are nothing to judge anything by but what I've listened to sounds great...

Please keep up the good work and thanks for this!!!!

Shellshock sounds great to me, I've listened through headphones and a couple of great Kenwood speakers.

Compliments!

If this is the quality that's going to be on the CD's: count me in as a buyer.

These sounds really great. Would it not make sense to master them all from the original vinyl though, rather than some from CD?

saltywater wrote: These sounds really great. Would it not make sense to master them all from the original vinyl though, rather than some from CD?

depends on the condition of the vinyl, the turntable, the needle, etc.. what is being used..

you can compensate for some of those things, and maybe the track will seem more consistent..

but if the person is skilled enough, you won't be able to tell.

could you tell which parts were from cd, and which were from vinyl, if they didn't tell you first?

later -1

JEB/Bruce - this is class stuff -very commendable, nice to see a non record exec bother to do the thing properly, as we all expected. The proposed recycle box-set project would be even just as good- saves my old battered cdr . You resigned from work to commit to all this neworder work

Shellshock sounding pretty good here on my headphones, £50 .Count me in for the CDs or Torrents deffo

Andrew Sayer wrote: You resigned from work to commit to all this neworder work

Actually, I'm at work right now.

Funny thing...my boss is a year younger than me (37), and he grew up in Milwaukee as a huge New Order fan. He's psyched to get this set, too. :D

Confusion sounding crystal too

count me on both please

question : if you do a recycle, do you plan spare tracks like the mark bell remix of WIM, the price of dub, touched by the hand of bias, arthur baker remix of TBTHOG from japanese CD ? Stuff like that ?

If not, maybe we could join forces with experts like -1 to do a special spare remixes CD ?

-1, if i do a list of whats left apart this wonderful project, would be nice to correct and amend it ?

oh, and whats TLU ?\Oh again, i m candidate to uploas any file to megaupload and sites like that. sometimes more efficient than torrent

b/

-1,

could you PM me your full new order song list with all the remixes ?

tx

bc2323 wrote: -1,

could you PM me your full new order song list with all the remixes ?

tx

i'm still updating my list, its about 6 years old..

i'll send you my tentative list..

i should have an update this week with all the tracks, and will post it on the board..

check your pm..

later -1

bc2323 wrote: count me on both please

question : if you do a recycle, do you plan spare tracks like the mark bell remix of WIM, the price of dub, touched by the hand of bias, arthur baker remix of TBTHOG from japanese CD ? Stuff like that ?

If not, maybe we could join forces with experts like -1 to do a special spare remixes CD ?

-1, if i do a list of whats left apart this wonderful project, would be nice to correct and amend it ?

oh, and whats TLU ?\Oh again, i m candidate to uploas any file to megaupload and sites like that. sometimes more efficient than torrent

b/

trust me, i not THE expert here, there's plenty of people on here, that actually work on the discography and that own more than i do... i just take the information and collate it......

anyways, if recycle is to be accurate, it should include ALL official new order remixes like the ones you mentioned,

it SHOULD NOT include all the dj mixes, with the one exception of the 'subculture (record mirror)' remix because of its special circumstance (vocals re-recorded for it, i think)...someone can tell us why...

i'm pretty sure 90%+ of the other dj mixes are just simple cut/paste jobs, or have some samples thrown in for no good reason..

TLU= thieves like us forum , here on this board, which is dedicated to trading..

later -1

On all of these discs I'm thinking the 10-second spacer will either be it's own track, or, if we can figure out how to do it, some sort of countdown that doesn't just append a track with 10 seconds of silence.

A good way of doing this is to put in a 10 second pre-gap. Most rippers ignore pre-gaps (EAC excepted when you change settings accordingly).

Decent job cleaning up the audio guys! But, if I may make some suggestions? It sounds quite thin and really lacking on the low end, try balancing the eq out more and not cutting so much off from below 150 hz. then it should sound much much better.Just my suggestion, I know its your project :)

Awesome work! I'm very excited, can't wait to hear these remasterings. those remastered samples sounds very good. I only missed these good ones:

hurt 7' touched by the hand of dub confusion (dub 1987) world in motion (the b-side) world (tony garcia radio mix, from "Excerpts From 'Recycle'") close range (advance promo version) waiting for the sirens' call (tribute mix)

keep up the good work mate!

sounds great I'm looking forward to this.

I think "Republic" could do with "World (the price of dub)" and "World (Perfecto Mix)" being there, especially the former which I've only got on 12".

No space for the Shep Pettibone 7" of "True Faith" anywhere?

If this a project to share, you should not do too much personal editing like changing the original albums much or leaving off "Behind Closed Doors" or "Rock Shitty Shack". Not that I disagree about the odd finished product that is Get Ready. At least put them on the same album disc. Hell, i would replace Crystal and 60 miles an Hour with the shorter single mixes if i had the choice. "Rock the Shack" is part of New Order's history, as poorly conceived, written, and produced as it is, you can't erase it from history.

Where is the Hardfloor remix of Blue Monday or the Perfecto remix of World? Those are two of the best from the 90s. Regret has an alternate 12" version produced by the band which is nice and deserves inclusion, and Regret has some other nice remixes.

Why not have an extra disc of 90s remixes and another of 00s remixes at some point, other than trying to choose between rare mixes and the more famous mixes. Put the more known mixes on the album "bonus disc" instead of getting too subjective.

0_o

just wanted to step up for 50pound,

but it IS THEIR project to do whatever they want with it..

if you're going to have them change the project to your preferences, then everyone else is going to want their changes too..

where do you draw the line?

wait until the project gets released, get it, copy it, add your own favorites to it, and then you will be happy..

instead of trying to justify your changes to their project..

it is more of logistics issue.... and why not be subjective? it's THEIR project..

i'm sure there will be more, i'm doing my own, that will 3-4 cds per each album, and have a lot more demos/live tracks/edits etc..

this project is a starting point for it...

later -1

Is there a polite way to request a copy of this once completed? Looks like NOOL can out-do London anyday....

digital wrote: Is there a polite way to request a copy of this once completed? Looks like NOOL can out-do London anyday....

theres a forum called 'thieves like us' on this board...

where all the trading/projects are done..

most likely it will end up there.

later -1

structure wrote:

Goratrix wrote:

hibster wrote:

bc2323 wrote: distribution : megaupload/rapidshare etc. with password

assuming 320kbps minimum...

pleeeeease, if this wonderful idea comes true, make it FLAC, not mp3.

why???

Because mp3's crap

I've listened to the two samples, as far as I'm concerned it's a very good job! It's good to hear the entire 'Shellshock' 12" mix Carry on

0_o wrote: If this a project to share, you should not do too much personal editing like changing the original albums much or leaving off "Behind Closed Doors" or "Rock Shitty Shack". Not that I disagree about the odd finished product that is Get Ready. At least put them on the same album disc.

Look, this is a time and labour-intensive project that I'm doing because I love the music. I can't and won't try to please everyone. I'm willing to share the work once this project and Recycle are done, and between the two projects everything pre-1990 will be available and most things 2001-present. Trying to include every Republic-era remix on CD is ludicrous, and no one - especially me - wants to hear 900 remixes of Blue Monday '95. The things I've left off are easily located on CD, so I encourage you to add those in if you want to hear them - I don't. The things I'm adding are vinyl-only or very hard to find.

You can find Get Ready in any record shop. You can find used CD singles of Crystal online for a penny. If you want to hear Behind Closed Doors and Rock The Shack then by all means add them in, but as I'm doing the work I'll imagine these discs the way I want to hear them and in a way that makes sense. Listening to a 2xCD set with multiple remixes of World (Price Of Love)? I may as well just listen to the CD single. It's about creating an overall picture of New Order in any given time period, not doing all the completists' work for them.

Seriously well done Sir! Regarding Technique I remember an amazing Ben Grosse remix of Round and Round on that tiny 3" CD single - it was called the 12" mix but was completely deifferent from Stephen Hague's vinyl effort. It's amazing stuff like this gets ignored while rubbish compromises like BlueMonday88 keep re-appearing.

I don't mean to complain, I just mean that there is a difference between a definitive approach and a personal mix tape approach, anybody/everybody could have a subjective mix and argue that it is the best based on whatever they feel like including at that moment. The Retro box sets' failing is because of the style of just being a personal choice pisstake on each disc.

I suppose people could edit things to their own liking, no matter what. I wonder if some guys edit movies to their own personal choice. Delete scenes or add deleted scenes.

0_o wrote: I don't mean to complain, I just mean that there is a difference between a definitive approach and a personal mix tape approach, anybody/everybody could have a subjective mix and argue that it is the best based on whatever they feel like including at that moment. The Retro box sets' failing is because of the style of just being a personal choice pisstake on each disc.

I knew it would raise some eyebrows. :)

Look at it this way - the Factory albums are intact. Nothing from the first 21 years of their career has changed. Nothing on WFTSC has been changed. Alongside Recycle, everything anyone could hope for will be available in glorious full-resolution audio. It's just this one album, which doesn't need a remaster treatment anyway, because it's only seven years old.

I've decided to try and fit Vietnam in there, but I stand firm on no Rock The Shack or Behind Closed Doors. Those songs are ass. Both discs of Get Ready clock in at over 77 minutes in length - there simply isn't room to include everything alongside the rare stuff I feel needs to be collected in one place.

I'm not the only member of the website who is capable of doing this project. Maybe someone will take up the challenge to outdo me on a definitive, "proper" Get Ready.

0_o wrote:

I suppose people could edit things to their own liking, no matter what. I wonder if some guys edit movies to their own personal choice. Delete scenes or add deleted scenes.

i can't tell if you're joking,

but there is..

http://www.fanedit.org later -1

£50 Note wrote:

0_o wrote: I don't mean to complain, I just mean that there is a difference between a definitive approach and a personal mix tape approach, anybody/everybody could have a subjective mix and argue that it is the best based on whatever they feel like including at that moment. The Retro box sets' failing is because of the style of just being a personal choice pisstake on each disc.

I knew it would raise some eyebrows. :)

Look at it this way - the Factory albums are intact. Nothing from the first 21 years of their career has changed. Nothing on WFTSC has been changed. Alongside Recycle, everything anyone could hope for will be available in glorious full-resolution audio. It's just this one album, which doesn't need a remaster treatment anyway, because it's only seven years old.

I've decided to try and fit Vietnam in there, but I stand firm on no Rock The Shack or Behind Closed Doors. Those songs are ass. Both discs of Get Ready clock in at over 77 minutes in length - there simply isn't room to include everything alongside the rare stuff I feel needs to be collected in one place.

I'm not the only member of the website who is capable of doing this project. Maybe someone will take up the challenge to outdo me on a definitive, "proper" Get Ready.

Quite right to stick to your guns, there £50. My feelings about Get ready are similar to yours. And I'm looking forward to hearing your "re-imagining"

Peace

Shellshock and Confusion had never been so great!

£50 Note wrote:

I've decided to try and fit Vietnam in there, but I stand firm on no Rock The Shack or Behind Closed Doors. Those songs are ass.

Vietnam is ass too.

An unmitigated pile of ass in fact.

Seriously, this is great. I bitched and moaned about the official release on here and even proposed my own tracklistings (I like yours better by the way as it's more inclusive than mine). Not only would I go so far as to say that this far exceeds the regular issues (which I'm not planning on buying), but if these were to become available I would buy the London reissues just so it wouldn't seem that I was taking money out of the band's pocket just to get these and probably sticking these discs in the slots that the official ones came thereby having maybe the best of both worlds: your disc selections plus the packaging of the reissues (which is all that's new on offer for me w/ the official versions). Also, thanks for the two samples, they sound great.

I've never felt so enthusiastic about a New Order release before! You're really making an incredible work. Thank you for sharing this with us!

I know it's all a matter of personal taste and you are going to the effort so do it as you please. But Behind Closed Doors is one of my favourite latter period tracks - and surely wipes its botty on the likes of 'Such a Good Thing'

I completely agree. If anyone has heard the 50 pound mixes, they are excellent. This project is in the BEST of hands...

What! Behind closed Doors is great!

Are you sourcing from the multi-tracks?

dave soligo wrote: What! Behind closed Doors is great!

Are you sourcing from the multi-tracks?

most likely vinyl/cd sources...

does anyone have the DAT for substance, that can downsample it to CD?

i've asked several times, but never got an answer..

that might be higher quality..

later -1

I was reading through this post one more time and I have to say that I haven't been so excited about a NO release since... well a bloody long time! Thanks again for sharing

twp wrote: I waas reading through this post one more time and I have to say that I haven't been so excited about a NO release since... well a bloody long time! Thanks again for sharing

why do you speak in english???

does anyone have the DAT for substance, that can downsample it to CD?

It is the same (16bit 44.1k), no downsampling necessary or desired.

Excellent. This is the first time I've heard the full version of Shellshock in 20 years - thanks for posting those. I'd forgotten about all those extra bits.

I live in the same lovely city, so if you pull this off I'll personally offer to buy you drinks some night.

£50 Note wrote: If London/Warners isn't going to listen then I'll tackle this project myself. A good friend who is an audio restoration master and fellow New Order fan is going to team up with me to compile our own 2xCD remasters.

£50 Note, check your mailboxes!

This sounds like a great project!

Fantastic work! I'll definitely follow your progress.

£50 Note wrote: Fug it.

If London/Warners isn't going to listen then I'll tackle this project myself. A good friend who is an audio restoration master and fellow New Order fan is going to team up with me to compile our own 2xCD remasters.

Here's how they'll look:

Movement

Disc One (52:17):

1. Dreams Never End
2. Truth
3. Senses
4. Chosen Time
5. ICB
6. The Him
7. Doubts Even Here
8. Denial (10 seconds of silence)
9. Truth (Peel Session 26 Jan '81)
10. Senses (Peel Session 26 Jan '81)
11. ICB (Peel Session 26 Jan '81)
12. Dreams Never End (Peel Session 26 Jan '81)

Disc Two (58:01):

1. Homage (Stephen vocal - Western Works demo)
2. Ceremony (1st version)
3. In A Lonely Place
4. Ceremony (2nd version)
5. Procession
6. Everything's Gone Green
7. Cries & Whispers
8. Mesh
9. Temptation (original 12" version)
10. Hurt (full 12" version)
11. Rocking Carol (Hacienda Christmas flexi)
12. Ode To Joy (Hacienda Christmas flexi)

Power, Corruption & Lies

Disc One (76:39):

1. Age Of Consent
2. We All Stand
3. The Village
4. 5 8 6
5. Your Silent Face
6. Ultraviolence
7. Ecstasy
8. Leave Me Alone (10 seconds of silence)
9. Blue Monday
10. The Beach
11. Turn The Heater On (Peel Session 1 June '82)
12. We All Stand (Peel Session 1 June '82)
13. Too Late (Peel Session 1 June '82)
14. 5 8 6 (Peel Session 1 June '82)

Disc Two (72:53):

1. Video 5 8 6
2. Confusion (original 12" version)
3. Confused Beats
4. Confusion Instrumental
5. Confusion Rough Mix
6. Thieves Like Us
7. Lonesome Tonight
8. Murder
9. Thieves LIke Us (12" Instrumental mix)

Lowlife

Disc One (57:23):

1. Love Vigilantes
2. The Perfect Kiss
3. This Time Of Night
4. Sunrise
5. Elegia
6. Sooner Than You Think
7. Subculture
8. Face Up (10 seconds of silence)
9. The Perfect Kiss (full 12" version)
10. Kiss Of Death
11. Perfect Pit

Disc Two (77:00):

1. Subculture (Record Mirror exclusive mix)
2. Subculture (12" remix)
3. Dubvulture (12" dub mix)
4. Shellshock (original mix)
5. Shellshock (full 12" remix)
6. Shellcock (12" dub mix)
7. Elegia (full-length version)
8. Sunrise (Discreet Campaigns instrumental mix)
9. The Perfect Kiss (live video shoot alternate take)

Brotherhood

Disc One (57:32):

1. Paradise
2. Weirdo
3. As It Was When It Was
4. Broken Promise
5. Way Of LIfe
6. Bizarre Love Triangle
7. All Day Long
8. Angel Dust
9. Every Little Counts (10 seconds of silence)
10. State Of The Nation
11. Shame Of The Nation

Disc Two (68:14)

1. Bizarre Love Triangle (Stephen Hague 7")
2. Bizarre Love Triangle (12" remix)
3. Bizarre Dub Triangle
4. True Faith
5. 1963
6. True Faith (full 12" remix)
7. Evil Dust
8. Paradise (Robert Racic 12")
9. Salvation Theme (from Salvation!)
10. Touched By The Hand Of God (from Salvation!)
11. Let's Go (from Salvation!)
12. Sputnik (from Salvation!)
13. Skullcrusher (from Salvation!)
14. Touched By The Hand Of God (12" remix)

Substance 1981-1990: The Factory Years

Disc One (58:11):

1. Ceremony (2nd version)
2. Procession
3. Everything's Gone Green
4. Temptation ('87 re-record)
5. Blue Monday
6. Confusion ('87 re-record)
7. Thieves Like Us
8. Murder
9. The Perfect Kiss (full 12" version)
10. Subculture (12" remix)

Disc Two (65:25):

1. Shellshock (full 12" remix)
2. State Of The Nation
3. Bizarre Love Triangle (12" remix)
4. True Faith
5. Touched By The Hand Of God (12" remix)
6. Blue Monday '88 (12" version)
7. Fine Time (Silk Mix)
8. Round & Round (Twelve Inch Mix)
9. Run 2 (Extended Version)
10. World In Motion (Carabinieri Mix)

Technique

Disc One (53:13):

1. Fine Time
2. All The Way
3. Loveless
4. Round & Round
5. Guilty Partner
6. Run
7. Mr. Disco
8. Vanishing Point
9. Dream Attack (10 seconds of silence)
10. Fine Time (12" alternate mix)
11. Don't Do It
12. Fine Line

Disc Two (62:32):

1. Blue Monday '88 (12" version)
2. Beach Buggy
3. Round & Round (12" Mix)
4. Round & Round (Club Mix)
5. Best & Marsh (full 12" version)
6. Vanishing Point (Instrumental Making Out Mix)
7. Run 2
8. Run 2 (Extended Version)
9. MTO
10. MTO (Minus Mix)
11. The Happy One
12. World In Motion

I've avoided the 7" edits since they can mostly be found on the Singles compilation. I've also skipped many redundant remixes that don't really add anything new.

My versions will not be compressed to hell, sacrificing dynamics for loudness.

I'll also be tackling Republic and Get Ready, the latter of which I'm going to completely overhaul, resequencing the album and bringing it closer to the advance promos the record label sent out.

Again; Warners should have you on the payroll!!!

I have been away from these boards for a while and come back to find this wonderful project in the works.

I am very excited by this and yes, it's a pity that a fan has had to commit to providing these 'definitive' versions.

This should re-fill the gaps in my previously extensive NO collection caused by the divorce a while back. :)

(Though I'll still be buying the official releases to assuage any (c) guilt.)

And who would be interested in this:

(Perhaps there's some time left and space for more tracks...)

Edited

Sardan wrote: Hmm I had a look for the TLU forum but couldn't see it. Where exactly is it located?

You need to post a bit more...

In theory, people shouldn't actually mention it on the forum...

Oh okay, sorry.

Nick King wrote:

Sardan wrote: Hmm I had a look for the TLU forum but couldn't see it. Where exactly is it located?

You need to post a bit more...

In theory, people shouldn't actually mention it on the forum...

Sardan wrote: Oh okay, sorry.

No worries - I did say "in theory" (i.e. I'm not a moderator)!

I'd like a fan version of a 7" collection given how horrible the Singles set sounded. I lost my hearing.

Edward Schatz wrote: I'd like a fan version of a 7" collection given how horrible the Singles set sounded. I lost my hearing.

Explain...: "a fan version of a 7" collection", that would be ehh.. Singles...

I suggested somewhere above a collection of 7" b-sides though!

saltywater wrote: These sounds really great. Would it not make sense to master them all from the original vinyl though, rather than some from CD?

There are two problems with this approach:

1 - Declicking the way I do it is really, REALLY time-consuming. I do it all manually, for no automatic declicking algorithm that I've heard yet can consistently remove all the clicks without damaging attack transients, pulse waves, etc. The only way to get the kind of results that I do is to zoom in to about half a second of audio, manually highlight and remove the clicks, hit a key to scroll ahead to the next half-second of audio, highlight the clicks... repeat several hundred times, using different processes for loud pops and light crackle.

So, for a record in good condition, that isn't full of pulse waves, it takes me about an hour to clean up 5 minutes of music. Of course, if the record is in poor condition and/or is full of buzzy bright tones that require me to zoom down to the sample to clean without damage, it takes much longer. It requires me to have a certain amount of OCD insanity to do this at all. To spend that amount of time to clean up material that is widely available on CD (and prior to the new remasters, not dynamically crushed and mastered with reasonable competence) requires even more insanity -- not to mention free time -- than I have.

2 - If I were to go that route, I'd want to use the original Factory UK LPs... none of which I have right now. You wouldn't want me to use the crappy PolyGram Canada pressings I have access to, believe me.

Bernhard Cumner wrote: Decent job cleaning up the audio guys! But, if I may make some suggestions? It sounds quite thin and really lacking on the low end, try balancing the eq out more and not cutting so much off from below 150 hz. then it should sound much much better.Just my suggestion, I know its your project :)

Nothing got cut off below 150 (aside from 20Hz brickwall rumble filter, but there's nothing down there on these records but surface noise). Confusion has no EQ applied to it at all. Now, there's a slight boost around 14KHz due to the design of the Audio-Technica AT150MLX I'm using, but that will be smoothed over later. As for the lack of bass, the record really sounds that way. I sourced this from a Dutch pressing, and perhaps it was mastered brighter than the original UK one. Alternately, the lack of bass is probably due to the length of the record itself: at 15 minutes per side at 45RPM, the groove pitch would need to be about the same as a regular LP (20 minutes per side), which eliminates the possibility of booming bass unless you cut the signal at very low levels.

Shellshock was EQ'd to match the edit on Substance so that I could cheat and get the full-length version while still getting the pristine intro from the CD.

Are these available for d/l anywhere???

Heck, I'd gladly donate somewhere for these..

michael brunt wrote: Are these available for d/l anywhere???

Heck, I'd gladly donate somewhere for these..

sorry, its gone private.

later -1

michael brunt wrote: Are these available for d/l anywhere???

Heck, I'd gladly donate somewhere for these..

It's on the downlow at the moment, but if Rhino doesn't fix the mistakes before A US release of these "remasters", it will become very public.

£50 Note wrote:

michael brunt wrote: Are these available for d/l anywhere???

Heck, I'd gladly donate somewhere for these..

It's on the downlow at the moment, but if Rhino doesn't fix the mistakes before A US release of these "remasters", it will become very public.

An anonymous torrent would be a nice way to start the holiday season to make up for the lump of coal Warner gave us.

£50 Note wrote:

michael brunt wrote: Are these available for d/l anywhere???

Heck, I'd gladly donate somewhere for these..

It's on the downlow at the moment, but if Rhino doesn't fix the mistakes before A US release of these "remasters", it will become very public.

Thanks for the reply, I hope more folks get to hear your efforts!

If we never hear anything from Warners soon (and that will be within THIS month!): please fire it off! We were suckered long enough by them.

£50 Note wrote:

michael brunt wrote: Are these available for d/l anywhere???

Heck, I'd gladly donate somewhere for these..

It's on the downlow at the moment, but if Rhino doesn't fix the mistakes before A US release of these "remasters", it will become very public.

I'm kinda hoping they don't fix anything - from reading through this thread there's no way they'll release anything anywhere near as good as your project/proposal

£50 Note wrote:

michael brunt wrote: Are these available for d/l anywhere???

Heck, I'd gladly donate somewhere for these..

It's on the downlow at the moment, but if Rhino doesn't fix the mistakes before A US release of these "remasters", it will become very public.

Thanks £50 as a lomgtime fan who hasn't bought the 2 disc sets because of the problems I'd love to hear a "proper" version.

I'll buy the US CDs if it is those or DL yours if it isn't.

Good work.

I can't believe I'm actually going to write this:

Great restoration job 50 quid ;)

I usually underestimate these things...

Looking foward to hear the final version... in FLAC obviously.

Ps: OK Rock the shack is ass. How about Working Overtime??????????????? Am I the only one in the world who thinks it SUCKS THE MOST?

PeteZarustica wrote:

Ps: OK Rock the shack is ass. How about Working Overtime??????????????? Am I the only one in the world who thinks it SUCKS THE MOST?

no, you are not alone...

Colin Simpson wrote:

PeteZarustica wrote:

Ps: OK Rock the shack is ass. How about Working Overtime??????????????? Am I the only one in the world who thinks it SUCKS THE MOST?

no, you are not alone...

And no, no...there's more out there who think it's utter piss-poor

DigitalWaters wrote:

£50 Note wrote: Fug it.

If London/Warners isn't going to listen then I'll tackle this project myself. A good friend who is an audio restoration master and fellow New Order fan is going to team up with me to compile our own 2xCD remasters.

Here's how they'll look:

Movement

Disc One (52:17):

1. Dreams Never End
2. Truth
3. Senses
4. Chosen Time
5. ICB
6. The Him
7. Doubts Even Here
8. Denial (10 seconds of silence)
9. Truth (Peel Session 26 Jan '81)
10. Senses (Peel Session 26 Jan '81)
11. ICB (Peel Session 26 Jan '81)
12. Dreams Never End (Peel Session 26 Jan '81)

Disc Two (58:01):

1. Homage (Stephen vocal - Western Works demo)
2. Ceremony (1st version)
3. In A Lonely Place
4. Ceremony (2nd version)
5. Procession
6. Everything's Gone Green
7. Cries & Whispers
8. Mesh
9. Temptation (original 12" version)
10. Hurt (full 12" version)
11. Rocking Carol (Hacienda Christmas flexi)
12. Ode To Joy (Hacienda Christmas flexi)

Power, Corruption & Lies

Disc One (76:39):

1. Age Of Consent
2. We All Stand
3. The Village
4. 5 8 6
5. Your Silent Face
6. Ultraviolence
7. Ecstasy
8. Leave Me Alone (10 seconds of silence)
9. Blue Monday
10. The Beach
11. Turn The Heater On (Peel Session 1 June '82)
12. We All Stand (Peel Session 1 June '82)
13. Too Late (Peel Session 1 June '82)
14. 5 8 6 (Peel Session 1 June '82)

Disc Two (72:53):

1. Video 5 8 6
2. Confusion (original 12" version)
3. Confused Beats
4. Confusion Instrumental
5. Confusion Rough Mix
6. Thieves Like Us
7. Lonesome Tonight
8. Murder
9. Thieves LIke Us (12" Instrumental mix)

Lowlife

Disc One (57:23):

1. Love Vigilantes
2. The Perfect Kiss
3. This Time Of Night
4. Sunrise
5. Elegia
6. Sooner Than You Think
7. Subculture
8. Face Up (10 seconds of silence)
9. The Perfect Kiss (full 12" version)
10. Kiss Of Death
11. Perfect Pit

Disc Two (77:00):

1. Subculture (Record Mirror exclusive mix)
2. Subculture (12" remix)
3. Dubvulture (12" dub mix)
4. Shellshock (original mix)
5. Shellshock (full 12" remix)
6. Shellcock (12" dub mix)
7. Elegia (full-length version)
8. Sunrise (Discreet Campaigns instrumental mix)
9. The Perfect Kiss (live video shoot alternate take)

Brotherhood

Disc One (57:32):

1. Paradise
2. Weirdo
3. As It Was When It Was
4. Broken Promise
5. Way Of LIfe
6. Bizarre Love Triangle
7. All Day Long
8. Angel Dust
9. Every Little Counts (10 seconds of silence)
10. State Of The Nation
11. Shame Of The Nation

Disc Two (68:14)

1. Bizarre Love Triangle (Stephen Hague 7")
2. Bizarre Love Triangle (12" remix)
3. Bizarre Dub Triangle
4. True Faith
5. 1963
6. True Faith (full 12" remix)
7. Evil Dust
8. Paradise (Robert Racic 12")
9. Salvation Theme (from Salvation!)
10. Touched By The Hand Of God (from Salvation!)
11. Let's Go (from Salvation!)
12. Sputnik (from Salvation!)
13. Skullcrusher (from Salvation!)
14. Touched By The Hand Of God (12" remix)

Substance 1981-1990: The Factory Years

Disc One (58:11):

1. Ceremony (2nd version)
2. Procession
3. Everything's Gone Green
4. Temptation ('87 re-record)
5. Blue Monday
6. Confusion ('87 re-record)
7. Thieves Like Us
8. Murder
9. The Perfect Kiss (full 12" version)
10. Subculture (12" remix)

Disc Two (65:25):

1. Shellshock (full 12" remix)
2. State Of The Nation
3. Bizarre Love Triangle (12" remix)
4. True Faith
5. Touched By The Hand Of God (12" remix)
6. Blue Monday '88 (12" version)
7. Fine Time (Silk Mix)
8. Round & Round (Twelve Inch Mix)
9. Run 2 (Extended Version)
10. World In Motion (Carabinieri Mix)

Technique

Disc One (53:13):

1. Fine Time
2. All The Way
3. Loveless
4. Round & Round
5. Guilty Partner
6. Run
7. Mr. Disco
8. Vanishing Point
9. Dream Attack (10 seconds of silence)
10. Fine Time (12" alternate mix)
11. Don't Do It
12. Fine Line

Disc Two (62:32):

1. Blue Monday '88 (12" version)
2. Beach Buggy
3. Round & Round (12" Mix)
4. Round & Round (Club Mix)
5. Best & Marsh (full 12" version)
6. Vanishing Point (Instrumental Making Out Mix)
7. Run 2
8. Run 2 (Extended Version)
9. MTO
10. MTO (Minus Mix)
11. The Happy One
12. World In Motion

I've avoided the 7" edits since they can mostly be found on the Singles compilation. I've also skipped many redundant remixes that don't really add anything new.

My versions will not be compressed to hell, sacrificing dynamics for loudness.

I'll also be tackling Republic and Get Ready, the latter of which I'm going to completely overhaul, resequencing the album and bringing it closer to the advance promos the record label sent out.

Again; Warners should have you on the payroll!!!

Dunno how far u are with the work but i sure do hope that i can get my hand on this stuff! bloody excellent

Can't wait to hear the final result, count me in

Fingers Crossed.

can't wait

We didn't hear anything from Warners about the fraud that the remasters are, did we ?! I certainly didn't hear anything from my email to them posted in early October ... Is there anyone out there who send an email and got a reply this month from them ?!

Let's fire this remasters redux-project off tomorrow november 1st.

I hope there's some way to get this for those of us that have been quietly coming to this forum for years. I'd be very interested and unless the US reissues are corrected, I'm not expecting to pick them up.

Luke wrote: Let's fire this remasters redux-project off tomorrow november 1st.

tomorrow it's ready ?

bc2323 wrote:

Luke wrote: Let's fire this remasters redux-project off tomorrow november 1st.

tomorrow it's ready ?

Whoo hoo!

M1 wrote:

bc2323 wrote:

Luke wrote: Let's fire this remasters redux-project off tomorrow november 1st.

tomorrow it's ready ?

Whoo hoo!

Umm, no. The fellow who asked that it be fired off on November 1st isn't involved in the project in any way.

It's not going to be finished for a while, so everyone calm down. I've just gone through a wedding, moving, and a promotion at my job. The three of us working on it live in three different cities and two different countries. It's going to take time, because we want it done right. This is a very time and labor-intensive project that will take months to complete.

No matter what anyone in these forums says, it's not ready until you hear it from me. You just have to wait.

Jeb - good point, we waited ages for the warners 'remaster' n they were shit, so we'll wait twice as long if were gonna get the dogs bollocks -

And it's worth the wait anyway Carry on

This is actually worth waiting for, since the five European remasters I have make nice coasters now.

Amazing job, £50 Note.

I've just slotted them into my Substance track list and they sound great!

Fascinating about your notes about the restorations, too.

Any updates on this project?

Yeh Jeb, du get this project started or put it on back burner? work commitments..... looks like Warners are not arsed about the remastered remasters

any update on this? and what about the official versions that warners is releasing? and i just tried to download the two samples and i just got some text. anyway you could reupload those?

I was wondering how I have missed this thread. The tracklists are much better than Warners. Count me in for an order of the "50 Pound Note Remasters."

me too(?). if it happens.

Yes...bump me too, please. I contacted Rhino and they said they were releasing the new discs soon, but they would contact me so they could send replacements.

just come across this thread.

What's the latest news on this project? It sounds like a terrific idea as most record comapny 'redux' efforts are pretty shit - witness the Gary Numan 'Replicas' one for instance.

Best of luck with this. I'd certainly be interested in buying the 1st 3 albums done your way.

Bill Davies wrote: just come across this thread. What's the latest news on this project?

Any progress?