Knuckles wrote: God damn you have an answer for everything. I like, though.

Well, these are not really answers, but just looking for explanations to sound like someone who seems to know everything... as if I don't know where these versions were used for... So, tell me, what's the 'need' in putting a special different version on a US promo, bother to re-edit the original mix for the video...etc. etc. It just makes no sense.

musicoloog wrote:

Knuckles wrote: God damn you have an answer for everything. I like, though.

Well, these are not really answers, but just looking for explanations to sound like someone who seems to know everything... as if I don't know where these versions were used for... So, tell me, what's the 'need' in putting a special different version on a US promo, bother to re-edit the original mix for the video...etc. etc. It just makes no sense.

of course i didn't work for factory/london..

but i did work with group KMFDM for some time, and when i asked about why they had so many releases, edits, etc, they told it was all due to marketing, and different regions. the band didn't have that much control about what got released after the label took it. now they control their own music, so they can control it a lot better..

the same situation probably happened for new order, once it's out of the bands hand, the studio can commission whatever release mixes, promo mixes, radio edits, club mixes get done... but the actual details of the edits are not up to them..

videos can be very complicated, as in this case especially because the video included original footage, and sounds not in the original song, how are they supposed to use the same mix for that?

of course they're going to have to recut it for the video, also, sometimes their are remix videos, such as for world, and sometimes extended videos too.

if you have worked in the music industry, you would know these issues..

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by the way, they get licensing fees for using their songs in movies, and soundtracks ..

so thats why its to their advantage to release new versions for soundtracks..

because they know it will tempt some people to buy them, just to get that version..

temptation in 'something wild' true faith in 'bright lights, big city' etc

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musicoloog wrote: It just makes no sense.

it makes perfect sense from a marketing standpoint

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indiearchivist wrote: I've found yet another unique version on a Canadian promo 12". It runs for about 6 minutes and is essentially the same as the 4:48 LP mix but doesn't fade out quite as early.

I wonder if there is a full length version somewhere with the "When you are alone..." verse intact?

Check your mailbox...

-1 wrote:

musicoloog wrote: It just makes no sense.

it makes perfect sense from a marketing standpoint

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Well, that must be it then... as long as the moneytrain keeps rolling... right?

Ally wrote: a person who obsesses over 25 mixes of TPK

enthuasiast:

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—Synonyms 1. zealot, devotee, fan.

collector :

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It seems we're getting a free dictionary here

musicoloog wrote: It seems we're getting a free dictionary here

yes, it's very educational.....

well i got the promos today..

they're in excellent condition..

however, as listed in niagara:

7": UK 1985 (Factory FAC 123-7) [promo] 3:51 The Perfect Kiss (edit) 3:01 Kiss of Death (edit)

is WRONG..

the edits are just the normal edits, and not new..

7": UK 1985 (Factory FAC 123) + 4:48 The Perfect Kiss 5:09 The Kiss of Death **

maybe there's some more hiding out there, but i'm beginning to doubt it..

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im looking for a remix of kiss of death which is not talked about. I greatly appreciate if someone could help out - find out what release this is ..

http://www.addvicemarketing.com/music/Radio\_1\_DJ\_Mix.mp3

Starting form min 18:00 to 20:00 you will hear the remix im talking about.

pocnho ryder wrote: im looking for a remix of kiss of death which is not talked about. I greatly appreciate if someone could help out - find out what release this is ..

http://www.addvicemarketing.com/music/Radio\_1\_DJ\_Mix.mp3

Starting form min 18:00 to 20:00 you will hear the remix im talking about.

What's the title of this mix? Cannot believe it's Radio 1 DJ Mix, is it?

I got the 7": UK 1985 (Factory FAC 123-7) [promo] 3:51 The Perfect Kiss (edit) 3:01 Kiss of Death (edit)

I have to admit that the labels are not indicating it is a promo, unless there was never a regular UK 7" release and only 'promos' have been released? But it seems there was (Factory FAC 123).

Anyway, good for you, the singles are in excellent condition.

-1 wrote: however, as listed in niagara:

7": UK 1985 (Factory FAC 123-7) [promo] 3:51 The Perfect Kiss (edit) 3:01 Kiss of Death (edit)

is WRONG..

the edits are just the normal edits, and not new..

By the way, I don't understand what you mean with [black]'normal edits and not new..'[/black]

i meant, the tracks on the 'promo' 7" are not new edits (even with the same times)..

they are just the regular 7" inch edits that we have already heard...

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Ahhh I see, yep old ones to me, as this was one of my first New Order 7" I bought in the late 80's... It was harder to get hold of the Dutch 7FBN123 single as this one, even though I live in the lowlands!

But did you really expect to hear versions you've never heard before?

yes that is the name of the mix.... here is the full playlist, which i found online but as you can see the kiss of death is not specified which version...

fleetwood mac "tell me lies" the presets "truth and lies" daft punk "around the world" cut copy "future" the pixies "gouge away" a touch of class "the bullett" (silvercity-bob remix) billy idol "hot in the city" (dub) soulwax "e-talking" (tiga's disco drama remix) the faint "your retro career melted" (ursula 1000 remix) les rhythmes digitales "hey you" (12" remix) linus loves "stand back" (mylo pastel bronco remix) new order "kiss of death" explorer "yellow power" seelenluft "i can see clearly now" (tiga remix) chinkiki "tell me something more" the stills "still in love song: (12" extended mix) alan braxe & fred falke "chrystal" guided by voices "the flying party" roxy music "virginia plain" (pre-eno-split roxy ooh yeah. no EMS Synthi solo/breakdown bit here though) cut copy "going nowhere" franz ferdinand "matinee" (headman vocal remix) vitalic "dance like a machine" chromeo "me and my man" (whitey remix) hybrid funk "everybody" (headman remix) cut copy "saturdays"

really good! thanks!

pocnho ryder wrote: yes that is the name of the mix.... here is the full playlist, which i found online but as you can see the kiss of death is not specified which version...

So it's probably the original, but most likely mixed into other songs, therefor it might sound different.

pocnho ryder wrote: im looking for a remix of kiss of death which is not talked about. I greatly appreciate if someone could help out - find out what release this is ..

http://www.addvicemarketing.com/music/Radio\_1\_DJ\_Mix.mp3

Starting form min 18:00 to 20:00 you will hear the remix im talking about.

Cut Copy are remixers in their own right. I'm sure that's something they put together themselves for use in that DJ mix, which means you'll likely never get your hands on it. It's mixing in parts from the Linus Loves track right before it, and they're playing with the tuning/pitch on the vocal and bass. I don't think it's very good, either, and The Perfect Kiss is my all-time favorite song.

Blowoff (Bob Mould & Richard Morel) did a DJ set here in San Francisco two weeks ago. Richard has remixed tons of artists - including New Order - under the name Pink Noise. They played on a Saturday night and Richard threw a remix of Tears For Fears' Pale Shelter into the set that he'd literally put together the day before. The tools are easily available for anyone who has an ear for mixing to create their own versions of songs - just look at the proliferation of mash-ups.

Hell, even I've done my own mix of The Happy One. It's not hard.

£50 Note wrote: Hell, even I've done my own mix of The Happy One. It's not hard.

Hmmmm... any chance I can hear this one sooner or later?

indiearchivist wrote: I've found yet another unique version on a Canadian promo 12". It runs for about 6 minutes and is essentially the same as the 4:48 LP mix but doesn't fade out quite as early.

I wonder if there is a full length version somewhere with the "When you are alone..." verse intact?

Still waiting for this version...

-1 wrote:

ok,

so far the total mixes are:

the perfect kiss (12" extended) 8:46 v

it would be nice to get some of those on cd at some point in time..

later -1

i've waited 21 years to do this..

the perfect kiss (12" extended) 8:46 v, cd

AT LONG LAST..

finally...

THANK YOU WARNER/RHINO/NEW ORDER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

later -1

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-1 wrote:

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I've fixed it....

musicoloog wrote:

-1 wrote:

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I've fixed it....

thanks, i think some HTML code got in there, and wouldn't let me post correctly..

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-1 wrote:

musicoloog wrote:

-1 wrote:

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I've fixed it....

thanks, i think some HTML code got in there, and wouldn't let me post correctly..

later -1

Yep... you can try it yourself... just add [*/quote] (without the *) at the end of your message...

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analysis

song - the perfect kiss (substance) time - 8m:02s

words : no note : words are NOT confirmed.... (c) : 2003

the perfect kiss (substance)

time notes vocals

• -08:02 [drum 1]
• -07:47 [drum 2]
• -07:33 [guitar 1]
• -07:15 [keyboard 1]
• -06:45 [keyboard 2]
• -06:31 [vocal] I stood there beside myself
• -06:26 [vocal] Thinking hard about the weather
• -06:22 [vocal] Then came by a friend of mine
• -06:18 [vocal] Suggested we go out together
• -06:15 [vocal] Then I knew it from the start
• -06:12 [vocal] This friend of mine would fall apart
• -06:08 [vocal] Pretending not to see his gun
• -06:04 [vocal] I said "let's go out and have some fun"
• -06:00 [vocal] I know, you know, we believe in a land of love
• -05:52 [vocal] I know, you know, we believe in a land of love
• -05:46 [guitar+keyboard]
• -05:30 [keyboard 1+guitar]
• -05:16 [vocal] I have always thought about
• -05:13 [vocal] Staying in and going out
• -05:09 [vocal] Tonight I should have stayed at home
• -05:05 [vocal] Playing with my pleasure zone
• -05:02 [vocal] He has always been so strange
• -04:57 [vocal] I'd often thought he was deranged
• -04:54 [vocal] Pretending not to see his gun
• -04:50 [vocal] I said "let's go out and have some fun"
• -04:47 [vocal] I know, you know, we believe in a land of love
• -04:39 [vocal] I know, you know, we believe in a land of love
• -04:32 [vocal] when you are alone at night
• -04:29 [vocal] you search yourself for
• -04:27 [vocal] all the things that you believe are right
• -04:25 [vocal] if you give it all away
• -04:22 [vocal] you throw away your only chance
• -04:19 [vocal] to be here today
• -04:17 [vocal] then a fight breaks out on your street
• -04:14 [vocal] you lose another broken heart in a land of me(at?)
• -04:10 [vocal] my friend has took his final breath
• -04:07 [vocal] now i know the perfect kiss
• -04:04 [vocal] is the kiss of death
• -04:02 [keyboard chords 2+cowbell+drum pad]
• -03:48 [spacey sound]
• -03:45 [keyboard 2+cowbell+drum pad]
• -03:17 [spacey sound+guitar]
• -03:14 [drums+claps+cowbell]
• -03:03 [spacey sound+keyboard notes+drums]
• -02:46 [keyboard+frogs croaking]
• -02:34 [drums+frogs croaking+notes]
• -02:19 [metallic beat]
• -02:06 [cowbell solo+beat]
• -02:02 [cowbell solo+orchestral keyboard chords]
• -01:49 [guitar+orchestral keyboard chords+cowbell]
• -01:35 [guitar2+chords+drums]
• -01:12 [guitar+chords+explosion]
• -00:57 [guitar+orchestral keyboard chords+drums]
• -00:43 [guitar+guitar2+orchestral keyboard chords+drums]
• -00:28 [guitar+guitar2+orchestral keyboard chords+drums]
• -00:14 [guitar+orchestral keyboard chords]
• -00:06 [explosion]
• -00:01 [wowwww]
• -00:00 [silence]

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the perfect kiss 12"

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song - the perfect kiss (12") time - 8m:43s

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the perfect kiss (12")

time notes vocals

• -08:43 [drum 1]
• -08:29 [drum 2]
• -08:16 [guitar 1]
• -07:57 [keyboard 1]
• -07:28 [keyboard 2]
• -07:13 [vocal] I stood there beside myself
• -07:09 [vocal] Thinking hard about the weather
• -07:05 [vocal] Then came by a friend of mine
• -07:02 [vocal] Suggested we go out together
• -06:58 [vocal] Then I knew it from the start
• -06:55 [vocal] This friend of mine would fall apart
• -06:51 [vocal] Pretending not to see his gun
• -06:48 [vocal] I said "let's go out and have some fun"
• -06:44 [vocal] I know, you know, we believe in a land of love
• -06:36 [vocal] I know, you know, we believe in a land of love
• -06:29 [guitar+keyboard]
• -06:14 [keyboard 2+guitar]
• -05:59 [vocal] I have always thought about
• -05:55 [vocal] Staying in and going out
• -05:52 [vocal] Tonight I should have stayed at home
• -05:48 [vocal] Playing with my pleasure zone
• -05:44 [vocal] He has always been so strange
• -05:41 [vocal] I'd often thought he was deranged
• -05:37 [vocal] Pretending not to see his gun
• -05:34 [vocal] I said "let's go out and have some fun"
• -05:30 [vocal] I know, you know, we believe in a land of love
• -05:22 [vocal] I know, you know, we believe in a land of love
• -05:15 [vocal] when you are alone at night
• -05:13 [vocal] you search yourself for
• -05:11 [vocal] all the things that you believe are right
• -05:08 [vocal] if you give it all away
• -05:05 [vocal] you throw away your only chance
• -05:03 [vocal] to be here today
• -05:00 [vocal] then a fight breaks out on your street
• -04:58 [vocal] you lose another broken heart in a land of me(at?)
• -04:53 [vocal] my friend has took his final breath
• -04:50 [vocal] now i know the perfect kiss
• -04:48 [vocal] is the kiss of death
• -04:45 [keyboard chords 2+cowbell+drum pad]
• -04:32 [spacey sound]
• -04:30 [keyboard 2+cowbell+drum pad]
• -04:02 [spacey sound+guitar]
• -03:57 [drums+claps+cowbell]
• -03:47 [spacey sound+keyboard notes+drums]
• -03:33 [keyboard+frogs croaking]
• -03:18 [drums+frogs croaking+notes]
• -03:03 [metallic beat]
• -02:52 [cowbell solo+beat]
• -02:45 [beat+keyboards]
• -02:32 [guitar+orchestral keyboard chords+cowbell]
• -02:17 [guitar2+chords+drums]
• -01:56 [guitar+chords]
• -01:42 [guitar+orchestral keyboard chords+drums]
• -01:33 [guitar+guitar2+orchestral keyboard chords+drums]
• -01:13 [guitar+guitar2+orchestral keyboard chords+drums]
• -00:28 [guitar+guitar2+orchestral keyboard chords]
• -00:14 [guitar+orchestral keyboard chords]
• -00:06 [explosion]
• -00:01 [wowwww]
• -00:00 [silence]

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song - the perfect kiss (substance) time - 7m:02s

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the perfect kiss (substance)

time notes vocals

• -07:02 [drums 1]
• -06:54 [keyboard+drums1]
• -06:53
• -06:51 [main keyboards+guitar]
• -06:37 [keyboards solo]
• -06:25 [echo of 'lets go out and have some fun']
• -06:22 [inst of keyboards+claps]
• -06:14 [guitar]
• -06:00 [echo of 'i know you know']
• -05:42 [hand claps+drum rolls]
• -05:27 [echo of 'i i i i i']
• -05:12 [echo of 'tonight']
• -05:07 [echo of 'pleasurezone']
• -05:01 [echo of 'of']
• -04:57 [echo of 'tender'?]
• -04:55 [echo of 'everywhere']
• -04:52 [echo of 'have some fun']
• -04:50 [vocal] i know
• -04:48 [vocal] you know
• -04:46 [vocal] we believe
• -04:45 [vocal] in a land of love
• -04:43 [vocal] i know
• -04:41 [vocal] you know
• -04:39 [vocal] we believe in a
• -04:37 [keyboards chords]
• -04:35 [single keyboard notes]
• -04:23 [drum rolls and cowbells]
• -04:20 [handclaps]
• -04:19 [cowbells]
• -03:59 [phasing left+right spacey sound]
• -03:57 [keyboard chords +drum pad]
• -03:44 [keyboard chords +drum pad+drums2]
• -03:29 [spacey sound+keyboard notes+drums]
• -03:13 [spacey sound+keyboard notes+piano+drums]
• -02:59 [keyboard+frogs croaking]
• -02:54 [drums+frogs croaking+notes]
• -02:30 [metallic beat]
• -02:14 [beat+orchestral keyboard chords]
• -02:00 [guitar+orchestral keyboard chords+cowbell]
• -01:45 [guitar+chords2+orchestral keyboard chords+drums]
• -01:18 [guitar+guitar2+orchestral keyboard chords+drums]
• -00:46 [guitar+orchestral keyboard chords]
• -00:27 [explosion]
• -00:23 [explosion]
• -00:16 [keyboard chords]
• -00:08 [spacey sound+explosion]
• -00:00 [silence]

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