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I know they are getting older and I know it's never been as publicly bitter as it's been in recent years but history shows that they'll put their differences to the side and at some point reunite again, whether it be for a tour or a new album, or both....It may be quite a wait though....thoughts?
J
0_o wrote:
why, would you want them to get back together?
The punctuation is wrong there mate. Should be:
'Why would you want them to get back together?'
No comma, see? ;)
i really dont want them to get back together at this point. they just look ridiculous at this point huffing around the stage, missing bass notes, reading teleprompters, etc....
nothing lasts forever.
it is ok.
1985 ain't gonna happen anytime soon.
Honestly, for no other reason that I don't like the fact that they all went out like this....sort of unsettling....I mean they overcame adversity and united after ian died, and became stronger than ever.....Is this really how you wanna see them going out? I wouldn't mind new music from New Order, at least a small small tour. Just a final album going out the right way. Or some sort of reunion at some point. I know it won't be for a while, but I hope more than anything that they can put their differences to the side and be cool again...at least Hook with Barney and Steve. But I guess i'm in the minority here...
J
i said never..
but if/when they start deciding to do the 'dinosaur' tour thing....eg: the police/ stones / eagles / steely dan
etc...
and they are offered BIG BUCKS, they will do it for money...
later -1
The next time they will have to pay their taxes. That s what Peter Saville said when Get ready went out.
wow, what a great thread.... well it was at least for the first four threads of the same topic before this one came along
New Order has obligation to their fans to complete an album for which they had recorded 7 tracks. So they'll get back soon.
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They've done albums with between 5-8 tracks before(Admittedly the 1981-82 Factus 8/FEP 313 is as rare as batshit in digital form), so why not a mini-album with just those 7 tracks(be they with lyrics or not)? As far as touring goes, they really don't have thier hearts in it anymore(especially Bernard, being off the booze and pharmaceuticals, touring straight isn't the fun or long lasting hangover it used to be). That pretty much will put the lid on things I think.
|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote: New Order has obligation to their fans to complete an album for which they had recorded 7 tracks. So they'll get back soon.
New Order have no obligation to do that at all.
ITS OVER, GET OVER IT!!!!!!
& would we want them to now,really? It's getting a bit creaky & starting to sour the memory a bit,I say leave it as it is before the legends start becoming a sad,laughing stock & ruin it all.The fookin' remaster saga has been bad enough,albiet not entirely to do with them,but you know what I mean 
Never say never.
NO emerged from Joy Division and survived the death of Factory.
They split up before.
I expect for one reason or another they will get back together at some point. For the purposes of this poll I've said sooner rather than later.
Maybe it is wishful thinking.
I'll tell you what: I hope they won't get together again in the (near) future. Just let them live their lives. I'm completely happy with what they've done the last 10 years. They reunited, did live gigs, big concerts, 2 albums and a couple of rarities. They won't reunite for money, maybe they will reunite (IF they do it, but I doubt it) because they enjoy making music together. Otherwise I won't believe that they come back together again.
Cheers Luke 
ive got a huge peice of lined a4 paper that ive filled in from my first(and only) joy division concert, featuring date and place of all j.d ,new order gigs ive been to,,(all the revenge, monaco , electronic dates are on the other side ) .its got one empty space left at the bottom,,
so after the despair of joy division demises, to the empty 90,s im going yes.
theres hope,youll find.
Give it time. Every three or four years there has been a rapid exodus of toys from pram on the part of one or more members. Toys usually back in pram after about three years, which I reckon probably means some time next year......
Remember this is the first time they've really used the internet as a toy projection device, previously it's been more private and we've only got to find out when there has been a period of silence. Nothing's really changed in that respect, it always coincides with a tour and always has the same two protagonists :)
89 - Barney announces solo/offshoot project, Hooky gets the arse, New Order call it a day after acrimonious US tour
93 - Factory royalties squabble, band call it a day after acrimonious US tour
02 - ongoing royalties squabble, band call it a day after series of overseas dates that didn't quite constitute a tour but was long enough away for Barney
06 - ongoing royalties squabble, band call it a day after acrimonious South American tour......
The moral of this tale? Only do sporadic UK dates, steer well clear of the Americas, and spend quite a bit of time in the studio where 2/3 of the band are at their happiest! Hooky can go off and DJ/join Section 25/work on Freebass, and they'll all live happily ever after.
Shit this prozac is good!! 
I feel that one reason that made it easier for New Order to get back together and be accepted in 2001 was that the music scene was on the verge of a Joy Division revival and JD's contributions were being recognized, name dropped, marketed, etc. This has already all come to pass, culminating in the Control and Joy Division films.
What may help bring New Order back in the future may require that same kind of 'revival' interest in New Order itself, and a recognition of their contributions to current music today.
With their age and the lack of a Tony Wilson or Rob Gretton, I fear the 'kids' may not have the guidance/persuasion/bribes they need to get back together.
Against my better judgement I've voted 1-4 years. I reckon they could. Any longer than that though and I'm not sure I'd want them too. I'd be too old for a start (I've only just got over October 06)
Yes, and they will release an album that 86% of us will find crap but 102% of us will buy (a few will buy extra copies)
All good things come to an end as they say...they have been together for a long time - that's got to get on your nerves being around the same people for so many hours for so long! I agree though that it would be a shame to end on such a bitter note after all this time and everything they have gone through and accomplished together. I think that at some point they will have a reunion tour maybe in a couple of years - time can do a lot to mend things..
the eagles did..
even more suprising,
the police did..
10 years, 20 years...but it did happen..
you never know..
(but i still think they won't, because they don't want to be classified as dinosaurs)..
later -1
I think its entirely possible that they will get back together in a few years.
The main reason of the split is the rift between Hooky and Barney....I think Barney must have said something to Hooky that was disrespectful and inconsiderate enough to really piss Hooky off.
Eventually I think Hooky and Bernard will resolve thier issues because of thier history together...but its going to take a few years of them being away from eachother for wounds to heal.
Plus...I think that in a few years, electro/dance/house/whatever will become culturally prominent again...and we will see a resuring interest in New Order...
Then they will probably reform for at least some gigs.
I want them to reform, because I love thier music and because they ae brilliant.
I don't buy the age thing. Motorhead blew the roof off of the Newport here in Columbus last Monday and Lemmy is 62
Pet Shop Boys still tour, make successful albums, and they are pushing thier mid 50s.
I don't think New Order are dinosaurs. I watched footage of New Order performing at Personal Fest 06 in Brazil and they were fucking brilliant and the crowd was loving them.
I would be happy for some mre NO gigs and music. No one does it like New Order. Thats why I love them.
i second that....
i saw them in NYC in 05, and it was decent except some bad soundboard issues, but since then, i see videos that are just hideous, missing bass notes, vocals mailed in, strange whistling over the vocals.... OVER.
do like the Beatles and just do studio work.... it might even make them more ambitious sonicwise, knowing they dont have to replicate it on a tv show live....
i don't wanna see hooky grimacing as he tries to go low with the bass anymore.
way too much wincing on stage the past two years.
enough!
less time spent on live crap would mean more studio time and more songs released....
Tarbox23 wrote: i second that....
i saw them in NYC in 05, and it was decent except some bad soundboard issues, but since then, i see videos that are just hideous, missing bass notes, vocals mailed in, strange whistling over the vocals.... OVER.
do like the Beatles and just do studio work.... it might even make them more ambitious sonicwise, knowing they dont have to replicate it on a tv show live....
i don't wanna see hooky grimacing as he tries to go low with the bass anymore.
way too much wincing on stage the past two years.
enough!
less time spent on live crap would mean more studio time and more songs released....
Saw them in Chicago in 2005 a few days before....brilliant gig and by far the best gig of thier short 4 date North American tour.
General consensus was that the NYC show was the worst show of the mini tour.
But they were brilliant in Chicago.. Barney sounded great and Hooky was spot on. The band had tons of energy and so did the audience.
Zachery Starkey wrote:
Pet Shop Boys still tour, make successful albums, and they are pushing thier mid 50s.
Yeah but Chris and neil have a "special" connection
yes but most gigs are shit nowadays, at one time bands used gigs to hone new songs and develop a sound, now its just about marketing and its shit, that goes for new order, coldplay,u2, next years big thing or pub band with a cd to shift, total bollocks
recycle wrote:
Zachery Starkey wrote:
Pet Shop Boys still tour, make successful albums, and they are pushing thier mid 50s.
Yeah but Chris and neil have a "special" connection
Hah hah hah. :) Very witty good sir. :)
Seriously.....they have never actually been in a relationship though. They have always maintained that they are friends who enjoy writing songs.
Chris is actually bi....he has admitted to enjoying women as well as men.
For selfish reasons i would like to see them live one last time.....but only if Gillian comes back too!
Discoring: rock electronico wrote: I just wanna see Barney in his shorts again
Be my guest....
Zachery Starkey wrote:
Tarbox23 wrote: i second that....
i saw them in NYC in 05, and it was decent except some bad soundboard issues, but since then, i see videos that are just hideous, missing bass notes, vocals mailed in, strange whistling over the vocals.... OVER.
do like the Beatles and just do studio work.... it might even make them more ambitious sonicwise, knowing they dont have to replicate it on a tv show live....
i don't wanna see hooky grimacing as he tries to go low with the bass anymore.
way too much wincing on stage the past two years.
enough!
less time spent on live crap would mean more studio time and more songs released....
Saw them in Chicago in 2005 a few days before....brilliant gig and by far the best gig of thier short 4 date North American tour.
General consensus was that the NYC show was the worst show of the mini tour.
But they were brilliant in Chicago.. Barney sounded great and Hooky was spot on. The band had tons of energy and so did the audience.
Seconded. My one (and sadly only 
) Order gig. Was a fantastic time, best concert I've been to, fact.
Sheds on a Plane wrote:
Zachery Starkey wrote:
Tarbox23 wrote: i second that....
i saw them in NYC in 05, and it was decent except some bad soundboard issues, but since then, i see videos that are just hideous, missing bass notes, vocals mailed in, strange whistling over the vocals.... OVER.
do like the Beatles and just do studio work.... it might even make them more ambitious sonicwise, knowing they dont have to replicate it on a tv show live....
i don't wanna see hooky grimacing as he tries to go low with the bass anymore.
way too much wincing on stage the past two years.
enough!
less time spent on live crap would mean more studio time and more songs released....
Saw them in Chicago in 2005 a few days before....brilliant gig and by far the best gig of thier short 4 date North American tour.
General consensus was that the NYC show was the worst show of the mini tour.
But they were brilliant in Chicago.. Barney sounded great and Hooky was spot on. The band had tons of energy and so did the audience.
Seconded. My one (and sadly only
Totally. May 5th 2005. New Order in Chicago. One of the best nights of my life. :)
Sheds on a Plane wrote:
Zachery Starkey wrote:
Tarbox23 wrote: i second that....
i saw them in NYC in 05, and it was decent except some bad soundboard issues, but since then, i see videos that are just hideous, missing bass notes, vocals mailed in, strange whistling over the vocals.... OVER.
do like the Beatles and just do studio work.... it might even make them more ambitious sonicwise, knowing they dont have to replicate it on a tv show live....
i don't wanna see hooky grimacing as he tries to go low with the bass anymore.
way too much wincing on stage the past two years.
enough!
less time spent on live crap would mean more studio time and more songs released....
Saw them in Chicago in 2005 a few days before....brilliant gig and by far the best gig of thier short 4 date North American tour.
General consensus was that the NYC show was the worst show of the mini tour.
But they were brilliant in Chicago.. Barney sounded great and Hooky was spot on. The band had tons of energy and so did the audience.
Seconded. My one (and sadly only
Was that the TERRACOTA ARMY gig where the audience stood there as if they were nailed to the floor and on mogodon?
Not from what I remember. The place was jam packed and we were all pogoing like bastards & going mental from the first drum beats of "Love Vigilates". Perhaps it was the (much derided) New Yawk gig?
I'd prefer them to leave it . not the best way to end , but its obvious to any observer that the magic has gone . The fact that the remasters are not what most of us wanted and the extra beat on Blue Monday shows they dont care about us . The fans . Get ready and Waiting for... would have made one decent album between them . But I have scarcely listened to either since release . They just dont grab me . Without sounding twatty , New Order changed my musical life . I can remember where I was when I first heard them (er...1983 in Lee Saunders house loft (dont ask...)his brother was playing PCL in his room ). They altered they way I listended to music and influenced what I liked and why . For the first time I saw 4 individuals contributing to the sound , to the texture of the music . Those days of 4 mates making music - long gone . I wish them luck in what ever they do and will seek out at least to hear what they make musicwise .
Agreed. I think its the right time to call it a day and i won't be waiting for the siren's call. However, Get Ready has aged very well in my book.
Binocher wrote:
Sheds on a Plane wrote:
Zachery Starkey wrote:
Tarbox23 wrote: i second that....
i saw them in NYC in 05, and it was decent except some bad soundboard issues, but since then, i see videos that are just hideous, missing bass notes, vocals mailed in, strange whistling over the vocals.... OVER.
do like the Beatles and just do studio work.... it might even make them more ambitious sonicwise, knowing they dont have to replicate it on a tv show live....
i don't wanna see hooky grimacing as he tries to go low with the bass anymore.
way too much wincing on stage the past two years.
enough!
less time spent on live crap would mean more studio time and more songs released....
Saw them in Chicago in 2005 a few days before....brilliant gig and by far the best gig of thier short 4 date North American tour.
General consensus was that the NYC show was the worst show of the mini tour.
But they were brilliant in Chicago.. Barney sounded great and Hooky was spot on. The band had tons of energy and so did the audience.
Seconded. My one (and sadly only
Was that the TERRACOTA ARMY gig where the audience stood there as if they were nailed to the floor and on mogodon?
Its always funny when i hear this because its not what i experienced.
I don't see it happening. The break-ups of the past were serious enough at the time but Hooky saying he'd left the band at the end of the South American tour in Nov 06 sounded pretty definite to me and without Hooky there can be no New Order as we knew it (in my opinion).
There is a seismic difference now between the viewpoints of Hooky and Barney: Hooky sees himself as the keeper of the flame, keen to continue playing live and to play stuff that they'd either never played live before or old songs that were rarely performed latterly. He sees the live version of a song as the definitive version and hates spending time in recording studios whereas...
Barney wants to move on and looks to the future more. One of his reasons for forming Electronic was to get away from being in a band i.e New Order whereas Hooky wanted that band thing and continued with it in Revenge and Monaco. Barney sees the studio version of a song as the definitive cut. Barney prefers the studio (and his yacht!).
Ultimately they want different things and maybe they can't be reconciled. It could be argued that they achieved so much and there's nowhere left to go.
I agree that the seven unreleased WFTSC songs should be released at some point...if just for the completists like me! I'll never forget the times I saw them live, the last time being Wembley Arena nearly two years ago.
Thanks for the memories.
Sheds on a Plane wrote:
Not from what I remember. The place was jam packed and we were all pogoing like bastards & going mental from the first drum beats of "Love Vigilates". Perhaps it was the (much derided) New Yawk gig?
I thought Chicago was fairly stilted as well, to be fair. Certainly no one pogoing.
Really lovely venue in Chicago though, did like that one.
To be honest, I quite hope they don't come back now. I don't really need to hear any new studio albums. Wouldn't mind seeing them live again, though certainly no longer have the time, energy or indeed monies to follow them quite so aggressively. Biggest downside of them not being around is the slight dip in social interaction on this site, but people still seem to be ticking along with the likes of Re-Order, Kraftwerk, Chemicals and suchlike, so it's not all doom and gloom just yet.
I'd rather see the Jam or the Specials return first! 
(Though not to play new material, heaven forbid!)
El Jarvo wrote:
Sheds on a Plane wrote:
Not from what I remember. The place was jam packed and we were all pogoing like bastards & going mental from the first drum beats of "Love Vigilates". Perhaps it was the (much derided) New Yawk gig?
I thought Chicago was fairly stilted as well, to be fair. Certainly no one pogoing.
Really lovely venue in Chicago though, did like that one.
To be honest, I quite hope they don't come back now. I don't really need to hear any new studio albums. Wouldn't mind seeing them live again, though certainly no longer have the time, energy or indeed monies to follow them quite so aggressively. Biggest downside of them not being around is the slight dip in social interaction on this site, but people still seem to be ticking along with the likes of Re-Order, Kraftwerk, Chemicals and suchlike, so it's not all doom and gloom just yet.
I'd rather see the Jam or the Specials return first!
(Though not to play new material, heaven forbid!)
Not to Mention System 7
barney586 wrote: I'd prefer them to leave it . not the best way to end , but its obvious to any observer that the magic has gone . The fact that the remasters are not what most of us wanted and the extra beat on Blue Monday shows they dont care about us . The fans . Get ready and Waiting for... would have made one decent album between them . But I have scarcely listened to either since release . They just dont grab me . Without sounding twatty , New Order changed my musical life . I can remember where I was when I first heard them (er...1983 in Lee Saunders house loft (dont ask...)his brother was playing PCL in his room ). They altered they way I listended to music and influenced what I liked and why . For the first time I saw 4 individuals contributing to the sound , to the texture of the music . Those days of 4 mates making music - long gone . I wish them luck in what ever they do and will seek out at least to hear what they make musicwise .
Pretty much what he said
Should carry on,I rek..
It was good enough for Sid ag ag agah James,and Kenneth ambigious sexuality face,so no point in them being haughty zimmer frame gums about it...
Scruffy old cunts are the way forward.. I love sitting with old gadgies down the pub,and am a sucker for a war story..We'll miss them when they're gone,only to be replaced by their smackrat medal selling grandkids.
A sign of the times,but we don't have to take it...
Give me Old Order
I *hope* they'll be together again for the end of the decade. And a new album by 2011.
Would be nice...Freebass hasn't really taken off as expected and Electronic seem unlikely to get back together...It seems the obvious thing to do.
If I didn't know the band so well I'd say it was a publicity stunt of some sort that has back fired 
