New Factory Boxset?

Tracklisting with times (I don't have this, btw, just nicked it from another site!):

DISC 1:

1. Joy Division - Digital 2:51
2. Cabaret Voltaire - Baader Meinhof 3:23
3. A Certain Ratio - All Night Party 3:15
4. OMD - Electricity (Original Version) 3:45
5. Joy Division - She's Lost Control 4:54
6. The Distractions - Time Goes By So Slow 3:21
7. Joy Division - Transmission 3:36
8. The Durutti Column - Sketch For Summer 2:57
9. X-O-Dus - English Black Boys 4:46
10. Joy Division - Love Will Tear Us Apart 3:26
11. A Certain Ratio - Shack Up 3:16
12. Section 25 - Girls Don't Count 4:30
13. Crawling Chaos - Sex Machine 5:41
14. A Certain Ratio - Flight 6:06
15. The Names - Night Shift 3:38
16. New Order - Ceremony (Original Version) 4:25
17. Minny Pops - Dolphin's Spurt 2:52
18. John Dowie - I'ts Hard To Be An Egg 3:11
19. Crispy Ambulance - Deaf 3:58
20. Section 25 - Dirty Disco 5:19

DISC 2:

1. New Order - Everything's Gone Green 5:34
2. Tunnel Vision - Watching The Hydroplanes 3:51
3. The Durutti Column - Messidor 2:31
4. A Certain Ratio - Knife Slits Water (LP Version) 7:35
5. Royal Family And the Poor - Art On 45 4:48
6. Swamp Children - Taste What's Rhythm 6:03
7. New Order - Temptation 7:01
8. 52nd Street - Cool As Ice 7:47
9. New Order - Blue Monday 7:28
10. Cabaret Voltaire - Yashar (John Robie Remix) 7:30
11. Quando Quango - Love Tempo 7:54
12. The Wake - Talk About The Past 6:24

DISC 3:

1. New Order - Confusion 4:44
2. Marcel King - Reach For Love 5:27
3. Section 25 - Looking From A Hilltop (Restructure) 4:41
4. Stockholm Monsters - All At Once 2:57
5. Life - Tell Me 3:10
6. Durutti Column - A Little Mercy (Duet) 3:38
7. James - Hymn From A Village 2:53
8. Kailma - Trickery 4:28
9. A Certain Ratio - Sounds Like Something Dirty 6:56
10. Quando Quango - Genius 6:25
11. Happy Mondays - Freaky Dancin' 3:45
12. Miaow - When It All Comes Down 3:30
13. The Railway Children - Brighter 4:55
14. Biting Tongues - Compressor 4:52
15. New Order - True Faith 5:54
16. Happy Mondays - 24 Hour Party People 4:38

DISC 4:

1. New Order - Fine Time 4:45
2. Happy Mondays - W.F.L. (Think About The Future) 7:12
3. Revenge - Seven Reasons 4:09
4. Happy Mondays - Hallelujah (Club Mix) 6:29
5. Electronic - Getting Away With It 5:16
6. Happy Mondays - Step On 5:18
7. Northside - Shall We Take A Trip 4:24
8. England New Order - World In Motion 4:32
9. Happy Mondays - Kinky Afro 3:59
10. The Durutti Column - Home 5:39
11. Electronic - Get The Message (DNA Remix) 5:27
12. Northside - Take 5 4:12
13. Cath Carroll - Moves Like You (Remix) 6:33
14. The Other Two - Tasty Fish (12" Mix) 3:51
15. Happy Mondays - Sunshine And Love (Lionrock Remix) 7:19

5. Joy Division - She's Lost Control 4:54
6. New Order - Ceremony (Original Version) 4:25
7. New Order - Temptation 7:01
8. New Order - Confusion 4:44
9. Northside - Take 5 4:12
10. Cath Carroll - Moves Like You (Remix) 6:33
11. The Other Two - Tasty Fish (12" Mix) 3:51

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if those timings are correct, then it seems somebody at Warners f*ed up again! Especially if it's supposed to run in chronological order. Oh well.

I do...and it's sad.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300278564590&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123

Promo

indiearchivist wrote:

5. Joy Division - She's Lost Control 4:54
6. New Order - Ceremony (Original Version) 4:25
7. New Order - Temptation 7:01
8. New Order - Confusion 4:44
9. Northside - Take 5 4:12
10. Cath Carroll - Moves Like You (Remix) 6:33
11. The Other Two - Tasty Fish (12" Mix) 3:51

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if those timings are correct, then it seems somebody at Warners f*ed up again! Especially if it's supposed to run in chronological order. Oh well.

hmmm....

The promo I have seen was as follows:

5. Joy Division - She's Lost Control 4:54 Cover states 3'56, it plays the 4'54 re-recording

6. New Order - Ceremony (Original Version) 4:25 Cover states 4'25, it plays the second version

7. New Order - Temptation 7:01 Cover states 8'41 version, it plays the 7'01 version from 1987

8. New Order - Confusion 4:44 Cover states 4'42, it plays the 1987 version

9. Northside - Take 5 4:12 Contains 4'12 version

10. Cath Carroll - Moves Like You (Remix) 6:33 Plays 6'33 album version not 12"

11. The Other Two - Tasty Fish (12" Mix) 3:51 Cover states 5'20, plays 3'51 version

The fact that the sleeve differs from the contents suggests that there may be a move to alter some of these but who knows at the moment.

VA-The_Factory_Box_Set-(Advance)-4CD-2009-DV8 is out, if anyone wants to check the playlist...

It does indeed look like someone has fooked up again,as Temptation '87 is definately on the tracklist,I listened to it on Play,which is fine if that was the intention,but if it's running chronologically,or even similar to Palatine,then it's stuck in the '81/'84 section,after EGG & before BM....doh!

They are supposed to be having the 12" Temptation on there, Confusion (original), Ceremony (Original) plus SLC (re-recorded version, because they prefer it).

The final release *should* be fixed in this manner.

Received it today,it's a nice piece,compiled by John Savage & all tracks documented by James Nice.Tracks are all originals,Temptation,Confusion 12"'s,the digital releases must be different as they are both the '87 remixes

kel wrote: Received it today,it's a nice piece,compiled by John Savage & all tracks documented by James Nice.Tracks are all originals,Temptation,Confusion 12"'s,the digital releases must be different as they are both the '87 remixes

...sounds good ! What is the sound quality like - loud and compressed or does it have some dynamic range? If James Nice has been involved I would expect the sound to be OK.

I've only listened to CD2,'81-'84,upto now,sounds fine to me but mixed a bit low maybe,or might have been where I was sat at the time? Very happy with it nonetheless,very much closer to what the reissues should have been,& also to a true Factory release.The tracks aren't going to be to everyone's liking,I've grown up with most of it so I just accept it.& GREEN CD's too,niiice :)

http://www.juno.co.uk/products/340325-01.htm

The promo set for this box is available on ebay at the moment for £5 which seems like a bargain compared with £30 for the finished article.

However, what concerns me is that this thread indicates that some of the tracks maybe the incorrect ones on the promo. Can anyone confirm that the Promo Cds (not the download) are indeed different from the finished retail box.

I've got the official version, and the first disc is the only one still with the JD/NO errors mentioned above.

The booklet lists the Unknown Pleasures version of "She's Lost Control" while the 12" version is obviously what is on the CD.

The booklet states that they have the original version of "Ceremony" but the CD has the second version.

The full original 12" "Temptation" is there at the right speed and "Blue Monday" starts with two beats like most CD versions. The 1983 full 12" version of "Confusion" is there. EGG 12". Substance version of "True Faith". Album version of "Fine Time". The booklet inside lists these versions or times, so these match.

The set doesn't really give much love towards Peter Saville. I guess he had the bad taste to not die yet.

Have not checked or don't know if there are errors with other bands tracks.

Sorry, I'm too lazy to learn how to make some audio graphs and I don't really care enough, doesn't seem like any vinyl rips.

0_o wrote: I've got the offical version, and the first disc is the only one still with the JD/NO errors mentioned above.

The booklet lists the Unknown Pleasures version of "She's Lost Control" while the 12" version is obviously what is on the CD.

The booklet states that they have the original version of "Ceremony" but the CD has the second version.

I've had it.

Is EVERYONE working with this band so f*cking clueless that they just CAN'T get the tracks right? These tracks are nearly 30 years old. I know they haven't made it easy at times - like re-recording Temptation and Confusion for Substance, which was one of the stupidest f*cking ideas they ever followed through with - but a little research and asking the right fans would easily - every time - clear up this nonsense about mislabled songs.

At this point I don't care if or when the label sorts this bullsh*t out. I'll not buy another New Order-related item EVER, and I've spent literally thousands of dollars collecting them over the past 25 years. They've lost me as a customer, and for all the band drama over the past two years, pretty much lost me as a fan.

It's completely clear to me that they don't care anything about their fans or their legacy, so I've stopped caring, too.

£50 Note wrote:

0_o wrote: I've got the offical version, and the first disc is the only one still with the JD/NO errors mentioned above.

The booklet lists the Unknown Pleasures version of "She's Lost Control" while the 12" version is obviously what is on the CD.

The booklet states that they have the original version of "Ceremony" but the CD has the second version.

I've had it.

Is EVERYONE working with this band so f*cking clueless that they just CAN'T get the tracks right? These tracks are nearly 30 years old. I know they haven't made it easy at times - like re-recording Temptation and Confusion for Substance, which was one of the stupidest f*cking ideas they ever followed through with - but a little research and asking the right fans would easily - every time - clear up this nonsense about mislabled songs.

At this point I don't care if or when the label sorts this bullsh*t out. I'll not buy another New Order-related item EVER, and I've spent literally thousands of dollars collecting them over the past 25 years. They've lost me as a customer, and for all the band drama over the past two years, pretty much lost me as a fan.

It's completely clear to me that they don't care anything about their fans or their legacy, so I've stopped caring, too.

Actually its not all that bad. The booklet blurb only implies that "She's Lost Control" is from Unknown Pleasures, and talks about how Peter and Bernard were dissatisfied with Hannett while recording the album. Does not try to clarify that the 12" version used is quite different. A chronological issue also if one wants to be picky, as it comes before "Transmission".

And I goofed about "Ceremony"... it is the longer first version on the set.

Actually its not all that bad. The booklet blurb only implies that "She's Lost Control" is from Unknown Pleasures, and talks about how Peter and Bernard were dissatisfied with Hannett while recording the album. Does not try to clarify that the 12" version used is quite different. A chronological issue also if one wants to be picky, as it comes before "Transmission".

And I goofed about "Ceremony"... it is the longer first version on the set.

Well that sounds like it's all ok then. Everyone calm down and step away from the keyboard.

It was intended that the re-recorded SLC be on there, it's the band preferred version. Might not be strictly chronological on here but that's a minor detail. To be ultra picky it could be pointed out that Transmission also came out in Dec 1980 (on 12").

I'll believe it when I see the graphs to prove it. Until then they can shove their box where the sun don't shine.

In fact, I've just looked at the tracklist for this for the first time and it looks good. I've not got a lot of the tracks on there and if they're all of the quality of the ones I do know, it will be a nice collection. I'll probably buy that one

Anyone having trouble getting disc #4 to play in any of their machines?

Yeah, I'm struggling with it in my lathe, ceiling hoist and vending machines. It just kind of sits there. Doing nothing.

The Pitchfork review is up. Its not a badly written text. Not too much about Joy Division or New Order, but that's the point I suppose.

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/149001-various-artists-factory-records-communications-1978-92