Greatness Of Joy Division

Originally posted by Budvar Huber > Originally posted by Fingers> > > Whilst the Manics aren't as good as some of the bands mentioned in this thread they are in the same league: they're in mid-table along with Primal Scream, not competing for the title like Radiohead but not in the battle to avoid relegation like Public Enemy. And whilst they didn't perform "heart surgery" on rock music like The Pixies the Manics did help it to start using its brain again after it suffered a bout of the horrible disease "heavy metal" again in the late 1980's. Popular music is in a sorry state at the moment and it does need a new revolution but I believe that revolution is more likely to happen if more new bands try to follow the example of the Manic Street Preachers rather than follow the example of those vain and lazy rip-off merchants The Strokes who are so over-rated it's frightening.

Amen to that, Fingers!

BTW Some time ago someone posted in this forum that they had found a foot believed to belong to Richie, I have not followed the story, was it confirmed? I am not joking I think even The Times published it.

The police said it wasn't Richie's foot because the trainer on it was of a type first produced in 2001. So unless someone killed Richie, hid and preserved his body for years, bought him a new pair of trainers, put them on him and then dumped his body near to where he went missing (and whilst there are some strange Manics fans I don't think any would go that far) it wasn't Richie.

that's no excuse for including Ministry and Dinosaur Jr.

ministry did alot for industrial. they were involved with pretty much all the waxtrax! artists in one way or another. and i hate saying this but they did kinda build a bridge between industrial and metal. i hear a lot of industrial on metal shows (college radio metal shows). and if al jourgenson and trent reznor teamed up for 1000 homo djs before trent released his first NIN album, then i guess minsitry was even more influential than i thought. not basing these on favorite artists, cause my favorite industrial band is front 242 and i can care less about dinasour jr. post # 2 woo hoo!!!!!! kamar

Originally posted by Huntsman what about the lacklustre Echo and the Bunny Rabbits Budweiser? ... notably pegged alongside Jesus and his Chain Metal in the past. 'Bring on the Dancing Mules' a decent tune, as was 'Nothing Ever Lasts For Over a Minute' which they wrote about 130 years after their earlier gear when Ian McCulloch had a bouffant in excess of 100 yards tall.Cabaret Volatile also a decent outfit. 'Drinking a Man's Gasolione' a rare treasure - influenced a great many digital musos also.Has anyone mentioned Depeche Mode or is that out of bounds?

Wa-haaaaaaayyy!!!! Huntsy is back!!!! For purely sentimental reasons I'd probably back you up re: The Mode, but others round here'd have you hung, drawn and quartered while dangling a tube of Pringles in front of your face, so Be Careful....

The thing about bands like the MSP's and Radiohead is that they always seem to 'try' too hard to be alternative or ground breaking. While they both have released some cracking tunes the way they come across puts me off and they just remind me of sixth form college angst.

On the other hand the music that bands like NO/JD, Smiths, Cocteaus and JAMC make seems so effortless and is therefore much more credible when talking in terms of ground breaking acts.

Can I also add a vote for Massive Attack?

No-one's mentioned The Charlatans yet. I know the thread was supposed to be about bands that have come close to being as "brilliant", "unique" or "influential" as Joy Division but whilst I don't think the Charlies could be described as unique or influential they are arguably brilliant in the sense that they have made a lot of excellent music over the years (if you're in any doubt make a list of great Charlatans tracks). Maybe they haven't made an album that gets on to "best albums" lists made by music journalists like some bands mentioned on this thread have (although I think "Tellin' Stories" is a classic) but some bands make one classic album and never make another one that is anywhere near as good (The La's, The Stone Roses and The Orb, to name a few). So I think The Charlatans have made enough great music to merit consideration. Besides, Tim Burgess is a massive fan of New Order and has name-checked them a few times in interviews so I think we owe him a favour.

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