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Brotherhood reissue - my take

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I was in Amoeba Music today and the only one of the reissues they had in stock was Brotherhood. Despite my misgivings, I bought it, because on a nostalgic level it was the first New Order album I bought at the time of it's initial release, I like the redone cover, I wanted to hear for myself how bad some of the audio glitches are, and if they do manage to correct the mistakes then the Tall Paul remix of True Faith will probably disappear and I wanted to have a copy.

For me, the minimal design of the reissue works...well, at least for this particular album. The notes are well-written, but yes, it would be nice to include photos, etc. The absence of any sort of production credits is telling. I'm also convinced the addition of a second disc was an afterthought, which is why the track listing appears only on the CD face and not in the packaging. Annoying.

The album itself (disc one) sounds great. I don't mind State Of The Nation being tacked on to the end because the original Factory CD was pressed that way, too.

The bonus disc sounds good most of the time (although in this day and age, most of the time is below acceptable). The glitches in TBTHOG are indeed horrible - even my husband exclaimed that out loud, and he's not really a fan. That Tall Paul mix sticks out like a sore thumb. I don't agree that Evil Dust was mastered from vinyl - apart from being a noisy mix, it sounds OK. Those tracks done for the Funky Alternatives series were always billed as exclusive mixes, so I bet the band gave them a rough mix to begin with - I certainly can't see them spending much time remixing it. To my ears it sounds just as good as the one on the True Faith CDV (sorry, no graphs for comparison).

Brotherhood is probably my favorite of the studio albums, so I'm enjoying listening to it again. The concept (if not the actual execution) of the packaging is nice, but the track selection and audio quality of disc two are drawbacks. As a fan, it's obvious that wasn't a labor of love for anyone involved, which is disappointing.

That's OK. We're working on correcting that.

On another note, I also bought the 10xCD Mute Documentary Evidence 1978-1984 box set, which is just stellar. Every Mute 7" A and B side from those six years, all the singles artwork, extensive liner notes including tons of rare clippings and photos, a poster, and two discs of previously unreleased gems, like Yazoo's BBC sessions. It just goes to show you that the indie labels do care. Mute has never put out shit product (keep your Depeche Mode jokes to yourselves, please).

Funny, when I flew to London to see New Order at Wembley in 2006, I bumped into Daniel Miller after the show. I shook his hand and thanked him for all the years of amazing music. I would have shown him my Nitzer Ebb tattoo, but that would require dropping trou.

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You could argue that Mute aren't really an indie label, and haven't been since 2002 when EMI stepped in, but it's obvious you have taste, so I'll let you off :wink:

Mute released a Fad Gadget 4 disc box set in 2006 which was also amazing.

I think Daniel Miller has always taken care of the business side of things really well, whilst maintaining the integrity and experimental values of early Mute. I find it weird that you can go to any bookstore and read many books about the carnage and legacy of Factory, but Mute, a label that's had as much (if not more) impact - fuck all. (Don't worry, I'm talking to number of publishers).

I spoke to Daniel Miller at Nitzer Ebb's London gig a couple years ago - told him to get them back in the studio. They've now left the label. :\ohwell:

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I thought the reissue packaging wasn't _totally_ awful. Really lazy and tight-fisted not to include any photos, but the typos and the lack of any information at all about the bonus tracks are what bug me. On the plus side they are at least a bit closer to the original vinyl packaging than the original cds were, i.e. having the label design on the cd and having the full PCL sleeve. Should have had greaseproof paper on Low Life though.

And I might just be deluded, but I always thought the sound quality on the original Brotherhood cd was rather weedy sounding compared to the vinyl, that's the one album I'd have said actually stood to gain something from remastering.

TBTHOG mastering is just awful though. Didn't the budget stretch to £5 to buy a copy of the cd single on ebay and master it from that?

I must be the only person here who doesn't mind having the Tall Paul mix on there. Yes its a pretty bad mix, but at least its something I don't already have in any format.

PS Remember buying "Ricky's Hand" on 7" back when it was released. Its still the only Fad Gadget song I've heard though.

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404 error wrote: I must be the only person here who doesn't mind having the Tall Paul mix on there. Yes its a pretty bad mix, but at least its something I don't already have in any format.

It's nice to get another mix I didn't already own, but the reissues are clearly billed as "the Factory years", and this mix is from 1994. Being listed as True Dub, I'll bet it was intended to indeed be the flipside of Pettibone's True Faith remix, but the archive monkey at London didn't bother to verify the mix against any legitimate source and figured no one would know or care. Ooops.

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404 error wrote: I thought the reissue packaging

(emphasis mine) Yeah, I've stopped calling these remasters since they were clearly not taken from the master tapes, just a hodge podge of already-available sources. They are reissues only.

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£50 Note wrote:

404 error wrote: I must be the only person here who doesn't mind having the Tall Paul mix on there. Yes its a pretty bad mix, but at least its something I don't already have in any format.

It's nice to get another mix I didn't already own, but the reissues are clearly billed as "the Factory years", and this mix is from 1994. Being listed as True Dub, I'll bet it was intended to indeed be the flipside of Pettibone's True Faith remix, but the archive monkey at London didn't bother to verify the mix against any legitimate source and figured no one would know or care. Ooops.

Hadn't really thought about it, but put like that, that seems a pretty compelling argument for what must have happened. Of course if they had put True Dub (or Morning Sun Dub Extended I can't-believe-how-long-this-goes-on-for mix or whatever the heck it was called) on there it would just be a rubbish vinyl transfer no better than the ones we've presumably all done ourselves.

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It's nice to get another mix I didn't already own, but the reissues are clearly billed as "the Factory years", and this mix is from 1994. Being listed as True Dub, I'll bet it was intended to indeed be the flipside of Pettibone's True Faith remix, but the archive monkey at London didn't bother to verify the mix against any legitimate source and figured no one would know or care. Ooops.

Buy it quickly if you really want this Tall Paul mix, it's getting removed.

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Buy it quickly if you really want this Tall Paul mix, it's getting removed.

Yep, listed in my argument above. This one disc will be quasi-collectible because of that slip-up.

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I have the US advance of Brotherhood and True Faith (True Dub) is the TP version (7:52). I wonder if this was amended for the commercial release.

You must have been at the SF or Berkeley Amoeba, cos the Hollywood location never got the imports.

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Glad I spent 300 plus dollars to get the UK remasters, if I get a rarity out of it. This reissue as you call it, is the first time I have ever heard Brotherhood, and yes the quality is spectacular on disc 1. The bsides are a bit dodgy, but I suppose they are amending, these Discs.

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Glad I spent 300 plus dollars to get the UK remasters, if I get a rarity out of it. This reissue as you call it, is the first time I have ever heard Brotherhood, and yes the quality is spectacular on disc 1. The bsides are a bit dodgy, but I suppose they are amending, these Discs.

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johnny james wrote:

It's nice to get another mix I didn't already own, but the reissues are clearly billed as "the Factory years", and this mix is from 1994. Being listed as True Dub, I'll bet it was intended to indeed be the flipside of Pettibone's True Faith remix, but the archive monkey at London didn't bother to verify the mix against any legitimate source and figured no one would know or care. Ooops.

Buy it quickly if you really want this Tall Paul mix, it's getting removed.

Can you define quickly? Is there any official hint of a quick resolution to the re-issue issues?

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greeneyes1 wrote:

johnny james wrote:

It's nice to get another mix I didn't already own, but the reissues are clearly billed as "the Factory years", and this mix is from 1994. Being listed as True Dub, I'll bet it was intended to indeed be the flipside of Pettibone's True Faith remix, but the archive monkey at London didn't bother to verify the mix against any legitimate source and figured no one would know or care. Ooops.

Buy it quickly if you really want this Tall Paul mix, it's getting removed.

Can you define quickly? Is there any official hint of a quick resolution to the re-issue issues?

Yes, is there any indication of them "fixing" anything? Or making any changes with the US release? Hard to read thru all these threads.

If they did anything different they wouldn't they just release a NEW "improved remaster" set in a few years, i.e. make a new product instead?

Maybe they can do a product recall:laugh:

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greeneyes1 wrote:

johnny james wrote:

It's nice to get another mix I didn't already own, but the reissues are clearly billed as "the Factory years", and this mix is from 1994. Being listed as True Dub, I'll bet it was intended to indeed be the flipside of Pettibone's True Faith remix, but the archive monkey at London didn't bother to verify the mix against any legitimate source and figured no one would know or care. Ooops.

Buy it quickly if you really want this Tall Paul mix, it's getting removed.

Can you define quickly? Is there any official hint of a quick resolution to the re-issue issues?

By quickly I mean that the existing pressing is all there will be. Stocks seem pretty thin on the ground in Manchester already, so they will run out pretty soon.

Fixing the discs will take a little while.

I'm not too sure what will happen with the US release, it could well be delayed until the issues are resolved. The Japanese releases are postponed already I believe.

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