was technique new orders peak?

well.... was it? i think so

Erm, used to think so (after Low-life) - but having played it recently it does not hold my attention as well as Low-life and PC&L and Brotherhood and Get Ready. Movement and Republic rarely get taken out for a ride.

I agree. Might just be that it was the first of their albums i got into before I considered myself a 'fan' but I still can't enough of that album, every track a favourite, especially the truly wonderous Dream Attack.

IMO Technique is their highest achievement, well rounded, as close to perfection as you can get, because of that same perfection I find myself listening more often to Bruvahood or PCL than to Technique. Possibly worst albums with better stand out choons. NO must feel the same since they haven't played live anything from Technique in ages.

Also, New Order's peak's still to come, innit?

Probably. Their songwriting styles and practices changed after the Brotherhood period, with songs being conceived and fashioned in the studio rather than live work-in-progress, which had always been the case from late 81 to 86. It's possible that the songs on Technique sound more polished because we only ever heard them as finished versions, but overall the production is clearer, farmore balanced and almost certainly their most consistent work. No botched edits a la Low Life, no muddy sound a la Brotherhood. Technique also sounds like a New Order recording, unlike the Barney solo album Republic and the hired help of Get Ready.

Certainly it was that CRAZY song and VIDEO for TRUE FAITHLESS and PLENTY OF SUBSTANCES that ROCKETED them into ORBIT.Then they found fame ,fortune and that little ISLAND IN THE SUN. Well everyone deserves a SUMMER HOLIDAY,even CLIFF(SIR) RICHARD but take your bloody suntan and leave your BEZZIE mates at home! A ROCKET MICK WARNING ..BTW I went there to SAN ANTONIO in '87 and it did not HARM me..i was always this f'ing STUPID :D

Al, would you agree that the new versions of certain songs on Substance never captured the original classic essence? ... why do bands do this? ... Madonna (for example) released her 'best of' CD/record and she too tampered with the original recordings ... why!? ... its the original recordings we want. Makes me mad. I mean, what the f@!k was Confusion all about? ... missed the point of the original entirely.

Originally posted by OLD ORDER Certainly it was that CRAZY song and VIDEO for TRUE FAITHLESS and PLENTY OF SUBSTANCES that ROCKETED them into ORBIT.Then they found fame ,fortune and that little ISLAND IN THE SUN.Well everyone deserves a SUMMER HOLIDAY,even CLIFF(SIR) RICHARD but take your bloody suntan and leave your BEZZIE mates at home!A ROCKET MICK WARNING ..BTW I went there to SAN ANTONIO in '87 and it did not HARM me..i was alwaye this f'ing STUPID :D

Mick, a question which often rears its backside up in conversation on this site (and I keep forgetting the answer). The end of the video shows Steve battling his turkey drumsticks to smithereens, whilst Barney blows vapour out of his snout. Is this from a gig or not?

If you don't answer within 3 mins. I intend to torpedo your shoes thus you will be unable to cross the street to buy any bog roll.

Two minutes and counting......

Hey HUNTSMAN ...DEFINETELY MAYBE..but WHICH?..I was in the BAR with HOOKY'S BOOT! :D

Hell that HURT.Good job SPOTNICK steals loo roll from TESCO where he WORKS.Hey we are not ALL lazy bastards in THIS HOUSEHOLD.I fetched him up well.OH YOU'VE GOT ONE MUM ,OH YOU'VE GOT TWO MUMS ....OH YOU'VE HAVE NO MUMS.... DAD why don't you P..S OFF! YOUR SILENT FACE ROCKET MICK :D

Failure.

I think you may have missed the question Mick and instead focused on the bog roll gag.

Rubbish.

Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Huntsman> Al, would you agree that the new versions of certain songs on Substance never captured the original classic essence? ... why do bands do this? ... Madonna (for example) released her 'best of' CD/record and she too tampered with the original recordings ... why!? ... its the original recordings we want. Makes me mad. I mean, what the f@!k was Confusion all about? ... missed the point of the original entirely.> >

When they appeared, I think Temptation / Confusion 87 mirrored exactly the same versions as the band were performing live at that time? The way we actually regularly 'heard' each track, and probably bore little relation to the original single releases.

That's absolutely right.

Originally posted by Huntsman The end of the video shows Steve battling his turkey drumsticks to smithereens, whilst Barney blows vapour out of his snout. Is this from a gig or not?

Wasn't it Glastonbury ? Or is my treedog in the wrong branches ? I think at the time of recording the video, they had only played it the once live, which was Glasto.

Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Huntsman> Al, would you agree that the new versions of certain songs on Substance never captured the original classic essence? ... why do bands do this? ... Madonna (for example) released her 'best of' CD/record and she too tampered with the original recordings ... why!? ... its the original recordings we want. Makes me mad. I mean, what the f@!k was Confusion all about? ... missed the point of the original entirely.> >

When they appeared, I think Temptation / Confusion 87 mirrored exactly the same versions as the band were performing live at that time? The way we actually regularly 'heard' each track, and probably bore little relation to the original single releases.

It is easy in retrospect to highlight these things, but the original versions are easily the best. Your right, I heard Confusion live lots of times through live tapes and bootlegs in the eighties and thought the synth/pop funky version was great (as NO must have) ... however now they are dated. My point is, it wouldn't have dated so quickly if they had put the very originals on Submarine.

One more thing, the Temptation on Reading '98 DVD ... the best version recorded? - I think so.

Then don't DO SHIT (sic) gags and i answered the question to the best of my KNOWLEDGE in the previous thread. I KNOW YOU KNOW ,WE BELIEVE IN THE .........:D Sorry Huntsman but if i told you the TRUTH i might get some credibility and that WON'T do now will it? PS i am actually reviewing several BOOKS and articles at this very moment cos i also have wondered about that clip.I always thought it was DONE just for the VIDEO though! REGARDS SOFT PLY ..THE REAL TISSUE but not the REAL ISSUE! But he had worn a similar BLUE SHIRT live at this time so maybe

Originally posted by Easy E > Originally posted by Huntsman> > > The end of the video shows Steve battling his turkey drumsticks to smithereens, whilst Barney blows vapour out of his snout. Is this from a gig or not?> >

Wasn't it Glastonbury ? Or is my treedog in the wrong branches ? I think at the time of recording the video, they had only played it the once live, which was Glasto.

Usually someone mentioned the interview which sees Hooky spinning around on a muscle builder (Reportage or Rapido?) - amongst the chatter one scene shows Hooky next to a rig and highlights of a gig where True Faith is being played ... which I don't think is the famous Glastonbury live version ... and nobody seems to know which one it is. The interesting thing is, this mysterious True Faith sounds awesome.

... to be continued.

Originally posted by MICK ROCKET remix Then don't DO SHIT (sic) gags and i answered the question to the best of my KNOWLEDGE in the previous thread.I KNOW YOU KNOW ,WE BELIEVE IN THE .........:DSorry Huntsman but if i told you the TRUTH i might get some credibility and that WON'T do now will it? PS i am actually reviewing several BOOKS and articles at this very moment cos i also have wondered about that clip.I always thought it was DONE just for the VIDEO though!REGARDS SOFT PLY ..THE REAL TISSUE but not the REAL ISSUE!But he had worn a similar BLUE SHIRT live at this time so maybe

I couldn't see any reply in the True Faith question Mick and yes the original gag was shite.

Keep digging around in your archives ... I doubt you'll find an answer ... I taped about 90% of everything they ever did on the TV and live etc. and it is not mentioned anywhere but this interview. If you find an answer you deserve a slice of toast and butter. Until then, you'll have to keep eating ants and stale cheese scraped off your boots.

Will do HUNTSY,it will probably be a GREAT BIG SURPRISE!

Originally posted by Huntsman > Originally posted by Easy E> > > > Originally posted by Huntsman> > > > > > The end of the video shows Steve battling his turkey drumsticks to smithereens, whilst Barney blows vapour out of his snout. Is this from a gig or not?> > > > >

Wasn't it Glastonbury ? Or is my treedog in the wrong branches ? I think at the time of recording the video, they had only played it the once live, which was Glasto.

Usually someone mentioned the interview which sees Hooky spinning around on a muscle builder (Reportage or Rapido?) - amongst the chatter one scene shows Hooky next to a rig and highlights of a gig where True Faith is being played ... which I don't think is the famous Glastonbury live version ... and nobody seems to know which one it is. The interesting thing is, this mysterious True Faith sounds awesome.

... to be continued.

I'm just wondering if they might have played it at one of the Spanish shows in May 87, and then not played it live again until they were happy with it, i.e. Glasto. I know that Barney introduces it as the debut at Glasto, and that of the three Spanish shows there is only one tape (Mollerussa Pabellon), so it is unlikely that there would have been a professional video recording made but no audio tape ever surfacing. I suspect that it really is Glasto footage, as the pro cameras were there, there had been no other live outings at the time the song (and therefore video) was released..........as you say, to be continued.

I think Technique was their peak as any non new order fan is most likely to have that LP (apart from substance which is greatest hits). To back up the argument for Technique, every song is strong (unlike the majority of new order LP's)and the old chestnut - it has sold more than any other of the albums. I think Brotherhood comes a distant second... Whilst we are on the subject of Technique does anyone know why that album was called "Technique"

They couldn't think of a good name.

Originally posted by Mark Cunningham I think Technique was their peak as any non new order fan is most likely to have that LP (apart from substance which is greatest hits). To back up the argument for Technique, every song is strong (unlike the majority of new order LP's)and the old chestnut - it has sold more than any other of the albums. I think Brotherhood comes a distant second...Whilst we are on the subject of Technique does anyone know why that album was called "Technique"

It's just a word that cropped up in Fine Time.....

Originally posted by Mark Cunningham I think Technique was their peak as any non new order fan is most likely to have that LP (apart from substance which is greatest hits). To back up the argument for Technique, every song is strong (unlike the majority of new order LP's)and the old chestnut - it has sold more than any other of the albums. I think Brotherhood comes a distant second...Whilst we are on the subject of Technique does anyone know why that album was called "Technique"

Republic is their biggest seller, is it not? (apart from Substance, that is)

Well I have two copies of Low-Life, two of PCL, two of Movement, two of Substance, two of Brotherhood, and one of everything else, so my biggest-seller is a five way split.

EASY E are you related to NOAH?

Originally posted by MICK ROCKET remix EASY E are you related to NOAH?

Movement was their peak......

Nah, I do think Technique was a bit of a stunner, hard to follow, etc etc. Even though I'm one of the few who likes Republic (or has lived the low-life), I can see how it pales compared to the best stuff on Tech. That said, Technique's not a perfect record. Low-life deserves that honor, imho. But it is the culmination of their rock-dance hybrid.

Wrong,wrong,wrong...Movement was Not New Orders peak. Technique is their peak...or maybe Low Life. On Technigue and Low Life are almost every fu*king track good. But Substance is best...but it is a kind of Best Of Album

Originally posted by Huntsman > Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Huntsman> Al, would you agree that the new versions of certain songs on Substance never captured the original classic essence? ... why do bands do this? ... Madonna (for example) released her 'best of' CD/record and she too tampered with the original recordings ... why!? ... its the original recordings we want. Makes me mad. I mean, what the f@!k was Confusion all about? ... missed the point of the original entirely.> >

When they appeared, I think Temptation / Confusion 87 mirrored exactly the same versions as the band were performing live at that time? The way we actually regularly 'heard' each track, and probably bore little relation to the original single releases.

It is easy in retrospect to highlight these things, but the original versions are easily the best. Your right, I heard Confusion live lots of times through live tapes and bootlegs in the eighties and thought the synth/pop funky version was great (as NO must have) ... however now they are dated. My point is, it wouldn't have dated so quickly if they had put the very originals on Submarine.

One more thing, the Temptation on Reading '98 DVD ... the best version recorded? - I think so.

I think everyone loves the '98 versh of "Temptation", probably because its closest to how it's played live. It's a bit brief, though....

(PS - Thanks to ROCKET CAPITAL LETTERS MICK for including this track on his soon-to-be-legendary gratis CDs. Keep on distribootin, Mick, and fight THE MAN).

The version on reading 98 are good but the original... don't know. It could't be the best version. If my are talking versions of tracks I think The Substance version of BLT are the best..but The Best Of version is close

Originally posted by MICK ROCKET remix EASY E are you related to NOAH?

Where's me freebie CD then Rocket ? Everyone got one but me at Manchester it seems !

Originally posted by Easy E > Originally posted by MICK ROCKET remix> EASY E are you related to NOAH?

Where's me freebie CD then Rocket ? Everyone got one but me at Manchester it seems ! But did you meet with us,i know i said no interviews or photos that day but my bodyguard let me down.Anyway there are at least 27 of these CDs floating down the MANCHESTER SHIP CANEL.:D Some people obviously look a gift horse in the mouth.And no i am not being RUDE to FLO!Still i may be in a more generous mood once i have copied DVD 3 16 to CD.At moment it has gone from minidisc to PC.BTW the LIVE stuff is coming on a treat and i have still a few of those GEMS from MUFFY and SHUGZV.So stayed chilled and all will be REVEALED. BRIAN POTTER MICK.........

technique...fantastic album....crammed full of classics and includes my all time fav n.o track..."run"

Originally posted by Kez-bah I agree. Might just be that it was the first of their albums i got into before I considered myself a 'fan' but I still can't enough of that album, every track a favourite, especially the truly wonderous Dream Attack.

I agree Kezzer. DM should have been played live recently, even if it was the only one from Technique. Especially cuz it's one of the most Geetar friendly on the album. Lush song! "All the Way" second best.

Technique was NewOrder riding the crest of their peak....substance 87 era (culminating with the reissue of BM88) Great album but the fighting and drug abuse started to detract from their ability to create magic live (at least that's they way the bootlegs sound to me)

Technique is my favourite, I love each second of that album. On the other hand, it´s strange, if you tell me "You're going to a desert island, and you can choose only one record to hear in that lonely place...". In this case, I´d consider to choose Low Life. Wow...:)

Sorry for my English...

Technique & Low Life were both released when NO were at the peak of their powers and at the cutting edge of music (i'm almost tempted to call them 'Avant Garde' :D) and the release since have shown the band to be on the slide. Republic was just dire and self indulgent, GR was ok but nothing special (or maybe i'm just stuck in the past) I really worry about the forthcoming album and think they will continue down the rockier based sound (look at me, dissing an album before its even been recorded !!) and turn into some pub rock type combo.

Id have to go with 'Low-Life' as pretty much their peak musically, even though they got bigger as time went by.

Sunrise and Perfect Kiss are both very stirring, blends of synths and guitars that have not been better'd on any new order album, therefore, Low-Life is the recorded Peak of Neworder's career. They continued to write great music but they never achieved the same intensity.

Originally posted by Body > Originally posted by Kez-bah> I agree. Might just be that it was the first of their albums i got into before I considered myself a 'fan' but I still can't enough of that album, every track a favourite, especially the truly wonderous Dream Attack.

I agree Kezzer. DM should have been played live recently, even if it was the only one from Technique. Especially cuz it's one of the most Geetar friendly on the album. Lush song! "All the Way" second best.

If they'd played Dream Attack live in my presence I think I would have just sponteneously combusted with excitement - its just too perfect a song :D

It's nonsense to say that they peaked with "Technique". All their albums have some not so great tracks. The less listenable albums are obviously "Movement" (finding their way with the machines but some good tunes in there nevertheless) and "Republic" (just rubbish except for a few good 'uns like Regret and World).

I reckon most fans will listen to each album in phases. Some tracks on "Get Ready" are better than some on "PCL" etc etc. I remeber going most nutty about "Brotherhood" when it came out. [Noone ever mentions All Day Long which sends shivers down my spine every time.]

"Brotherhood" has a great balance of guitar and keyboard driven tracks. "Technique" has also but the songs are a little weaker.

Those who say they peaked with "Substance" don't know what they are talking about obviously as it's a compilation of their singles from early days.

I've been mad about New Order since 1983 and still find that the extended Temptation and the original, magnificent Confusion stir most emotions and dancefloor twitches respectively. Blue Monday I've had enough of.

We can only hope that the next album isn't a turkey like "Republic" and is as good as all the others. Give us more electronics I say!!

Rock on!

So i don't know what i am talking about.And neither does AL JARVIS.This is VERY interesting indeed.What we meant was the POPULARITY of the group was at its PEAK saleswise and in the PUBLIC eye all the time with TRUE FAITH,the one they won THE BRIT AWARDS for BEST VIDEO. Sorry you are entitled to your opinion... AND THE PUBLIC GET WHAT THE PUBLIC WANT. So me and AL challenge you to a drinking contest in JAPAN.:D

PS EASYLOVER having been a FAN of NEW ORDER since 1980 only and owning aprox 380 originals and more in the dodgy tape section HOW THE HELL am i supposed to KNOW what's goin on. Welcome to the FORUM.Rocket Mick says

You tell em 'dont take shit from anyone Rocket Mick' !!

Probably right though HAVE i ever said anything CORRECTLY? Ps have u sent me owt latley BRENDAN..? :D and did you GET my S-nail?

... not that I can remember.

Befor you know it she'll be on her knees.

Two silent K's in todays random comment, don't mind me I'll get back to work.

Phil Collins do you think Republic really is a turkey? ... surely with Regret, World, Spooky, Ruined by a Badger and Avalanche are credible songs. Given there is far more quality on Regret it is Movement that is the Turkey, it actually smells of stale cheese when you hold it in your hands its that naughty.

I think most of us concur that Substance is actually a collection of their single releases.

Originally posted by Huntsman ... not that I can remember.

Don't YOU start!

Originally posted by Hank Wiseass©
Befor you know it she'll be on her knees.Two silent K's in todays random comment, don't mind me I'll get back to work.

yes and hurry, there's a backlog of wheelie bins need shifting. ;)

Originally posted by Hank Wiseass©
Befor you know it she'll be on her knees.Two silent K's in todays random comment, don't mind me I'll get back to work.

Please explain cos i'm a BIT thick? :D

Originally posted by ROCKET MICK > Originally posted by Huntsman> ... not that I can remember.> >

Don't YOU start!

You know you love it Mick.

Incidentally, I'm in my loft tonight Mick ... I'll post the results here around 7pm (provided I don't stick my foot through the roof like I did a couple of weeks ago).

Originally posted by ROCKET MICK > Originally posted by Hank Wiseass©
Befor you know it she'll be on her knees.Two silent K's in todays random comment, don't mind me I'll get back to work.

Please explain cos i'm a BIT thick? :D

come on Mick ... don't let yourself down.

Think about Knight and Salted Knuts.

Cheers for the LOFT comments HUNTSY but i am still in a bowl of cashews about the other.If it is a DRUG thing i KNOW NOTHING.:D

The penny has dropped and i don't LIKE it! Please make easier comments for the KHARD of THINKING! ROCKET THICK

Originally posted by easylover It's nonsense to say that they peaked with "Technique". All their albums have some not so great tracks. The less listenable albums are obviously "Movement" (finding their way with the machines but some good tunes in there nevertheless) and "Republic" (just rubbish except for a few good 'uns like Regret and World).I reckon most fans will listen to each album in phases. Some tracks on "Get Ready" are better than some on "PCL" etc etc. I remeber going most nutty about "Brotherhood" when it came out. [Noone ever mentions All Day Long which sends shivers down my spine every time.]"Brotherhood" has a great balance of guitar and keyboard driven tracks. "Technique" has also but the songs are a little weaker. Those who say they peaked with "Substance" don't know what they are talking about obviously as it's a compilation of their singles from early days.I've been mad about New Order since 1983 and still find that the extended Temptation and the original, magnificent Confusion stir most emotions and dancefloor twitches respectively. Blue Monday I've had enough of.We can only hope that the next album isn't a turkey like "Republic" and is as good as all the others. Give us more electronics I say!!Rock on!

its only my humble opinion, i dont mean to talk nonsense, but from my point of view it was their peak, i,ve gotta say republics my least fave album of the lot, i hope really that they havent peaked yet!! and that they hit us with a real blinder sometime soon

Originally posted by Budvar Huber

Originally posted by Mark Cunningham

I think Technique was their peak as any non new order fan is most likely to have that LP (apart from substance which is greatest hits). To back up the argument for Technique, every song is strong (unlike the majority of new order LP's)and the old chestnut - it has sold more than any other of the albums. I think Brotherhood comes a distant second... Whilst we are on the subject of Technique does anyone know why that album was called "Technique"

Republic is their biggest seller, is it not? (apart from Substance, that is)

According to my up to date record sales statistics book Technique sold much much more than Republic. London Records "distributed" more copies of Republic but most were "returned". It was such as dismal effort I wouldn't be surprised if London records bought half the sales themselves to get it a decent chart place - so put that in your pipe and smoke it!

Aye ...I'd concur that "Technique" was their most "accomplished" album in that it WAS one of their most successful, but like a few other posters here I'd have to beg to differ on whether it was as essential a New Order album as either "Low Life" or "Brotherhood".

I've banged on enough about how I have always considered "Low Life" to be the quintessential New Order album (simply cos it features every single thing we love about the band all in one nice neat diverse package - from moody stuff to throwaway stuff and all points in between...), besides, "Technique" - although probably the band's best produced album - which is fooking incredible when one considers how much they were out of it during the making of the damn thing!

• doesn't have the edge that "Brotherhood" or "LL" before it possessed. It's a very happy New Order record - relatively speaking that is.... And of course, the nit picking pedants amongst us would rather our heroes be on gloriously neurotic and symphonic form ("LL" and "Brotherhood" respectively) rather than just merely popping those happy pills and dreaming about where their next cocaine fix was coming from....

Of course, after "Technique", the band DID deliver us back another profoundly miserable album - but then of course it was "miserable" for all the wrong reasons....

wasn't technique the height of their popularity? dunno, too young to remember damnit!

In terms of chart success maybe, but World in Motion was a bit false insofar that it was done for a target market, namely the football craze that always sweeps England before the World Cup.

There have been several peaks over the years, Blue Monday, True Faith, Regret being just three. The band were probably at their peak around the True Faith era, though they may see it differently !

Originally posted by Spotnick I've been doing some thinking...Didn't New Order reach their peak with World In Motion?Seriously, this is their only UK#1 single... it's not their best for the New Order fan, but it's the begining of the end...And they were reborned in 1998...

Does anybody know what other countries New Order has been number 1 in ?