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Why U2 really are better than The Rolling Stones AND The Beatles

Daily Mail, March 04, 2009

Paul Connolly

You may have noticed that U2 are about to release a new album. They seem to have taken over the BBC to announce the fact (they’ve even been on Radio Five Live, a station more used to 'Boro than Bono).

They're unquestionably the biggest band in the world and yet they first tasted success in the Eighties, a decade derided these days for being responsible for ra-ra skirts and Johnny Hates Jazz. Indeed the continued success of U2 underlines a highly significant yet overlooked aspect of that most maligned of decades: that the Eighties were much better for music than the vastly overrated Sixties.

You might already be spluttering about The Beatles this and The Rolling Stones that and wondering what Boy George ever did for music. But I can prove empirically that bands from the Sixties were creative for a shorter period of time than their Eighties counterparts.

For instance, let's take a look at the Rolling Stones' recorded output. They released their first album, The Rolling Stones, in 1964. When did they make their last half decent album? 1978's Some Girls?

At a push, 1980's Emotional Rescue. That gives them a creativity span (CS) rating of 16 years at the most.

How about The Beatles? Even including the mostly dreadful solo outpourings of Lennon, McCartney, Harrison and Starr, that leaves their last acceptable effort as Wings' 1978 album, London Town, which came a decade and a half after The Beatles' 1963 debut, Please Please Me, a CS rating of 15.

OK, so we've dealt with the creative lightweights of the Sixties; let's move on to the Eighties and U2.

Their first album was 1980's Boya. Their last album, How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb, sold in excess of 10 million, and saw them on tour playing to more people than ever before.

U2 are still critically adored and commercially vast. The release of No Line on the Horizon gives them a CS rating of 29, not far short of double of that of The Beatles.

Now take Depeche Mode (CS rating 28), whose imminent new album Sounds of the Universe is being acclaimed as a career high.

There are others too who easily creatively outpunch the Sixties icons, including The Cure (CS rating 25), New Order (CS rating 21) and Red Hot Chili Peppers (CS rating 18).

So why have Eighties bands so clearly outlasted their more lauded Sixties counterparts?

Simple. They were all born out of the embers of punk and new wave and they've retained that restless, adventurous, questing spirit.

Punk may have become a debased cultural currency now (and it was responsible for some terrible bands at the time) but its enduring ideals have been responsible for some of the finest music of the last 30 years.

Bands from the most ridiculed of decades are still pushing on, unafraid of change and trying something new, making some of the best music of their creative lives. The Rolling who?

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Nice article, something I've long thought as well. The Sixties veneration also has to do with the sheer generational size of the Baby Boomers, who by sheer numbers can continue to hammer the 'the Sixties were the greatest time for music EVER!' and make it stick.

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U2 is boring thou, and Bono is a pompous ass. Who really is all that inspired by U2 in the younger generation?

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I got as far as "Daily Mail" and stopped reading.

U2 are a fantastic recording band, but anything that New Order have done shits on anything by U2.

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Good article & very valid,agreeable point.Being born in '67,the '80's are my love & for me personally,responsible for the highest output of quality,original & influential music ever.For me,with the exception of modern day R&B/Rap,the vast majority of indie/alternative music today is a derivitive of punk & something completely unoriginal that I've heard before.New Order,Cabaret Voltaire,The Cocteau Twins,The Smiths,Echo & The Bunnymen,The Cure etc.,etc.,etc.,all with their own sound & never sounding like anyone else.Not today,it's plagiarism of the highest order.AND,with a few exceptions, fookin' crap to boot,most of it...:nod:

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Throbbing Gristle: CS of 33 years, if you include solo stuff with recent reformation, even longer if you include their performance art-era as COUM Transmissions.

Kraftwerk: CS of almost 40 years, still putting out good stuff.

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Genesis P-Orridge and some friends recorded an album called The Early Worm in 1968. The latest Psychic TV album is being called one of their best. He has an individual CS of 41!

Can't wait to see TG in NY next month. :D

On the other hand, the CS ratings fail to account for bands that have a few dodgy or inactive years and then go back to making good music. The first TG recordings were made in '75 and they broke up in '81. The reunion was in 2004, so their CS is really 13.

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Agree with the article 100 percent. I started off liking 60's music when I was 12 or 13....but I quickly graduated to punk and then especially Post Punk....the music those bands make seems more relevant to me and my life and the world I live in than 60's stuff (except for MOTOWN. Love Motown!).

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Good article & very valid,agreeable point.Being born in '67,the '80's are my love & for me personally,responsible for the highest output of quality,original & influential music ever.For me,with the exception of modern day R&B/Rap,the vast majority of indie/alternative music today is a derivitive of punk & something completely unoriginal that I've heard before.New Order,Cabaret Voltaire,The Cocteau Twins,The Smiths,Echo & The Bunnymen,The Cure etc.,etc.,etc.,all with their own sound & never sounding like anyone else.Not today,it's plagiarism of the highest order.AND,with a few exceptions, fookin' crap to boot,most of it...

I agree wholeheartedly :thumb:

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On the other hand, the CS ratings fail to account for bands that have a few dodgy or inactive years and then go back to making good music. The first TG recordings were made in '75 and they broke up in '81. The reunion was in 2004, so their CS is really 13.

Getting pedantic here, but those ratings took solo stuff into account I think, as long as it was quality. I know Psychic TV and Chris & Cosey put out good stuff in the 80s, but weren't up to much in the 90s. I can't comment on COIL as I've never heard a COIL record in my life.

Psychic TV's acid house phase was one of the things that got me into music. Goofy throwaway stuff, but it sounded completely different from anything I'd ever heard.

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I'm not a Beatles apologist but this is a very weak argument. Yes, U2 have been going longer than The Beatles but can anyone honestly say their records have maintained a high level of quality throughout that time? U2 have ploughed the same furrow for donkeys years, the last album they did which was remotely interesting was Achtung Baby and that's nearly 20 years ago. The Beatles crammed more into their short time-span than most bands do in careers far longer, and using their solo careers as a stick with which to beat them is a tiresome tactic. Also, to say U2 have a 'restless, adventurous, questing spirit' is utter drivel. The only thing they quest for is how much dosh they can make.

Of course, The Beatles can't hold a candle to Joy Division and New Order's back catalogue :)

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music is a very personal thing, but I love the the 60’s just as much as the 80’s.

ye ye, hammond b3 grooves, psych/acid, frekbreat, pop, RnB groups, soul, reggae, ska, clothes, the women, film, youth culture…yeah the 60’s are very much relevant.

I never cared for the stones, beatles, or fucking u2. but millions of other people cant get enough of them, although I cant deny their influence. That doesn’t mean I have to listen to it. It sure seems like to most people the 60’s begins and ends with the Beatles and the Stones, and nothing else matters….this leaves me utterly speechless. but I wont correct them….cuz fuck em that’s why, their not worthy.

one thing that the 80’s fails miserably in is fashion. but at least its not as bad as the 90’s. good god the 90’s sucked in every way….christ.

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He's got a point about longevity, but it's a stupid argument.

If New Order has a CS of 21, is that counting from Movement to Get Ready? If solo careers count then surely Joy Division should count, and WFTSC is as good as Get Ready (I'd say better), so it should really be 1979-2005. That makes 27 years, not 21.

DM and the Cure haven't put out anything good since the early 90s (some here would say "ever", but I wouldn't).

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I know theres alot of U2 haters/bashers (call them what you will) on this forum and Im certainly not a huge U2 fan (although I liked their mid 80's work and also rate Achung Baby highly). But one thing you cant fault them on is their friendship, commarderie, the fact theyve had no public slanging matches (to my knowledge), never broken up and still seem to genuinely like each other and still be in a band together. Thats quite some feat considering theyve been going 30 years and I for one applaud them for it. Maybe Bono hasnt got such a big ego after all as Im sure one of the others would have left otherwise.

Its a shame New Order couldnt maintain that kind of friendship. There always seemed an element of friction and competition between Barney and Hooky. I hope they can bury the hatchet one day as they have so much in common and have achieved so much together. But I suppose comparing the 2 bands is like comparing an apple to a pear.

The other thing is U2 members dont seem to have aged as much as NO members(purely my opinion I hasten to add). Probably due to different lifestyles, diet and what not. Just a passing observation.

My last point is people slate the Edge for being a one trick pony (always playing 3 notes with much delay on) but is that so different to Hooky? Im not implying he only plays 3 notes but that they both have their own unique style of playing that is instantly recognisable.

Im not saying U2 are better than NO or anything. For me theyve been mediocre and irrelevant for many years. Just my personal thoughts.

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My last point is people slate the Edge for being a one trick pony (always playing 3 notes with much delay on) but is that so different to Hooky? Im not implying he only plays 3 notes but that they both have their own unique style of playing that is instantly recognisable.

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0_o wrote: U2 is boring thou, and Bono is a pompous ass. Who really is all that inspired by U2 in the younger generation?

Thats true, I've never ever heard of any band citing U2 as inspiration or influence (maybe Simple Minds, but that would explain a lot!)

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Ally wrote:

My last point is people slate the Edge for being a one trick pony (always playing 3 notes with much delay on) but is that so different to Hooky? Im not implying he only plays 3 notes but that they both have their own unique style of playing that is instantly recognisable.

That had me giggling like a school girl at a shit concert.

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