Update on Bad Lieutenant From Digital Spy Website

Blur, New Order stars form supergroup Friday, June 12 2009, 17:08 BST

By Alex Fletcher, Senior Entertainment Reporter

Rex Features Blur's Alex James and three members of New Order have formed a supergroup called Bad Lieutenant.

New Order's Bernard Sumner, Stephen Morris and Phil Cunningham will unite with James to release an album in October.

"I'm very proud of it, it's a very good album," Sumner told the BBC. "It's pretty guitary too because we've got three guitarists in the band."

The frontman confirmed that the group will be playing live dates later this year and festivals in 2010. Live footage of their track 'Sink Or Swim' is already available to watch online.

New Order split in 2007, following a public row between bassist Peter Hook and the rest of the band.

"We split into two factions, there's me, Steve and Phil. The other is Peter Hook," said the singer. "Basically he left the band, that's all I want to say about it."

James is currently rehearsing with Blur ahead of their summer reunion tour, which includes shows at Hyde Park and Glastonbury.

looks like poor Hooky shot himself in the foot on this one.

love this quote:-

"We split into two factions, there's me, Steve and Phil. The other is Peter Hook," said the singer.

so now that we are down to 50% Joy Division, will we refer to songs played live as covers?

Tarbox23 wrote: looks like poor Hooky shot himself in the foot on this one.

No, think Hooky actually kept his self respect, and respect for JD and NO.

Bernard obviously has an attitude towards Peter and is always going to imply that "it's his problem, not mine"

They don't even mention the Leroy and Rambo guys. Seems like only one is going to be in the band, but I thought he was doing a large chunk of the writing. Wait and see what actually ends up as the product.

The lack of mentioning of the Rambo and Leroy guy (Jake Evans, I think) isn't really Barney's fault, I think.

Every other article about Bad Lieutenant seems to have a different focus on the members.

For example, there's articles out there that act like it's a mashup (so to speak) between Blur and New Order (remaining 3 members anyway), whereas, that's probably not how the people involved perceive it.

Not to mention, the casual throwing of the word 'supergroup' by the media...

0_o wrote:

Tarbox23 wrote: looks like poor Hooky shot himself in the foot on this one.

No, think Hooky actually kept his self respect, and respect for JD and NO.

Bernard obviously has an attitude towards Peter and is always going to imply that "it's his problem, not mine"

.

I have always thought Bernard had a bad attitude problem towards most things. Hooky is a top bloke who obviously couldn't tolerate Bernards attitude anymore - I don't blame him .

Ger Boy wrote:

0_o wrote:

Tarbox23 wrote: looks like poor Hooky shot himself in the foot on this one.

No, think Hooky actually kept his self respect, and respect for JD and NO.

Bernard obviously has an attitude towards Peter and is always going to imply that "it's his problem, not mine"

.

I have always thought Bernard had a bad attitude problem towards most things. Hooky is a top bloke who obviously couldn't tolerate Bernards attitude anymore - I don't blame him .

its funny how its just hooky who cant tolerate barney anymore. stephen, phil and i dare say gillian all seem to get on with him. maybe hooky just has a large ego that needs to be on stage all the time or doing interviews on tv and updating his myspace etc. maybe the others cant be bothered with that sort of thing...

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/bernard-sumner-seething-with-hook_1106419

BERNARD SUMNER SEETHING WITH HOOK

Bernard Sumner has blasted his former New Order bandmate Peter Hook for quitting the group.

Bernard Sumner says Peter Hook can "f**k" off.

The singer has no plans to work with his former New Order bandmate because they no longer speak to one another.

Asked about his new musical project with New Order drummer Stephen Morris, Bernard replied: "It's very guitar based, we're just rehearsing at the moment. We won't be releasing it as New Order, basically Hooky left so we didn't want to carry on. I've not spoken to him since he went but Stephen's spoken to him."

Stephen added to BANG Showbiz: "Don't fall out with anybody, that's my motto in life, one thing - don't fall out, it's not worth it."

However, an angry Bernard then quipped: "That's not my motto, my motto is f**k him!"

Bassist Peter - whose nickname is 'Hooky' - announced in May 2007 he was no longer with the group, but confusion reigned for several months afterwards as the remaining members insisted the band was still together.

In July 2007, the group issued a statement saying: "After 30 years in a band together we are very disappointed that Hooky has decided to go to the press and announce unilaterally that New Order have split up. We would have hoped that he could have approached us personally first. He does not speak for all the band, therefore we can only assume he no longer wants to be a part of New Order."

New Order have not released any recordings since the statement.

Cant get into this its Barneys fault or Hookys, whats happended as happended I for one am looking forward to the new albums from Bad Lieutenant AND Freebass and concerts to.

The custard pie slinging is a bit of a shame.

:mad4:

Ne'er mind; as been said; at least we have two doses of NO related material to look forward to.

:D

I hope Sink Or Swim is the debut single.

redken wrote: love this quote:-

"We split into two factions, there's me, Steve and Phil. The other is Peter Hook," said the singer.

I am just waiting my bass master asnswer

Is Bernard telling orders to Steve and Phil or Hooky prefers to be a dj travelling everywhere?

Love is the air that supports Barney's ego

It's been two years already, I was hoping things would cool down...

A sad state of affairs for New Order.

But, at least we'll get some new music from both factions this year.. ehm, hopefully.

'Stephen added to BANG Showbiz: "Don't fall out with anybody, that's my motto in life, one thing - don't fall out, it's not worth it."'

I think I've just found my new signature line - nice one Steve - voice of reason as usual

Check the guardian from today:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/jun/15/new-order-blur-supergroup

Does he look old in that pic or what?

PARKLIFE or BACKtoLIFE?

the papers over exaggerate things always. cut little bits and pieces to make them more interesting. maybey he was begin sarcastic....right

Martijn wrote: Check the guardian from today:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/jun/15/new-order-blur-supergroup

Does he look old in that pic or what?

its not too bad, there are worse out there which i will refrain from posting, to prevent further harm.

almansoglasnost wrote: i could be wrong but i really think barney is mad at hooky because in a way he killed the goose that lays the golden eggs (NO). i mean he left the band and he said he won't allowd the others to carry on with the name NO. so that didn't left too many options but to change the name. and let's face it, money is a big issue here since it's not the same to book a band as NO than to book BadLt. they will pay them less money to play live. the same with the record contract because the name "NO" attracts a certain floor of sales and the name "BadLt" doesn't. so on the business side this is an "expensive" decision that hooky made. on the other hand i agree with him that if you don't feel comfortable with something you musn't go on doing it. but there're some who focus on the "professional" side and do it anyway if it pays the rent and turns on the light.

Yeah, you could really sense the bitterness that Bernard has now for Hooky and I'd agree with you about leaving the band members in a bind, professionally.

I'm split about their breakup. I mean, I'd love to hear new New Order music. But I'd imagine their music would be less interesting if Hooky decided to stay and dial it in. When they didn't give a fook, their music was so much more interesting than their comeback in 2001 and on, where you could feel the internal pressure for hit singles.

To be honest I think Mr Sumner has every right to snipe at Hooky. I remember PH was being INTOLERABLE back in 2007, shooting his mouth off at every opportunity...

Ally wrote: It's horses for courses really. There was indeed a period where Hooky was quite vocal about the split and it's a bit rich observing all the "Hooky fans" (of which I count myself) reacting in faux disgust at Bernard's recent comments. "How dare insult our bass hero etc" is deeply sycophantic and a bit sad unless of course it's Jack and he's your Dad.

It's totally pointless because we - the fans - will never really know what went on behind the scenes and you can't draw much from random quotes in tiny news articles. I prefer to keep the opinion they're both twats (!), they've both probably got very valid grievances against each other but apparently neither will be the first to stand down. Hooky's more than put his side forward in blogs and now Bernard's been refreshingly honest in print. Seems fair enough to me.

I am looking forward to Hooky's response though

I agree that they're both twats (for this is why we love them so!) but I'm more of the opinion that that they both probably have extremely petty grievances against one another and neither of them will admit it.

God bless 'em!

i actually really liked the track bernard did on that Sky show, credit where its due. love hooky

However, an angry Bernard then quipped: "That's not my motto, my motto is f**k him!"

Says it all really.

Also,

Ally wrote: It's totally pointless because we - the fans - will never really know what went on behind the scenes and you can't draw much from random quotes in tiny news articles.

Everyone should remember this.

Whatev​er the greater ones do, the lesser will prattle of, Jack.

Some more lesser than others.

mORE OR less what HE said.........

ALL ALONG THE WATCHTOWER

Rocket kindly spoke

I remember an article a few months ago stating that Steve and Alex James were not really a member, but only played in a track or two. Couldn't find it, does anyone remember such thing?

update:

It was actually a message from New Order PR posted in this forum http://www.neworderonline.com/Forums/MessageList.aspx?ThreadID=45732. Steve and Alex were 'additional musician'.

Which makes me wonder. Did the press receive the same message? If so I see two options:

1. some journalist totally misinterpreted Steve's role in BL and then others just copy/pasted this first mistake.

2. Steve (or Bernard) changed his mind and is now a real member of the new band.

This is kind of irrelevant, I know, but I hate to see the press giving wrong information.

PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote:

Ally wrote: It's horses for courses really. There was indeed a period where Hooky was quite vocal about the split and it's a bit rich observing all the "Hooky fans" (of which I count myself) reacting in faux disgust at Bernard's recent comments. "How dare insult our bass hero etc" is deeply sycophantic and a bit sad unless of course it's Jack and he's your Dad.

It's totally pointless because we - the fans - will never really know what went on behind the scenes and you can't draw much from random quotes in tiny news articles. I prefer to keep the opinion they're both twats (!), they've both probably got very valid grievances against each other but apparently neither will be the first to stand down. Hooky's more than put his side forward in blogs and now Bernard's been refreshingly honest in print. Seems fair enough to me.

I am looking forward to Hooky's response though

I agree that they're both twats (for this is why we love them so!) but I'm more of the opinion that that they both probably have extremely petty grievances against one another and neither of them will admit it.

God bless 'em!

I'm of this opinion as well.

I see it clearly. Barney and Hooky were in a pub, when shoe-size-equations were brought up. An arguement ensued, bringing about both of 'em to whip 'em out onto the bartop. Hooky's was bigger, so Barney lost a fiver. However, in later days, Barney's been going around saying that he won the contest and Hooky's been pissed off ever since.

Does that sound about right?

It's hard to make success again when you're in your early 50's. But change the name of the band was the right decision, there's no NO without Gillian and Hooky.

EdelBrock wrote:

PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote:

Ally wrote: It's horses for courses really. There was indeed a period where Hooky was quite vocal about the split and it's a bit rich observing all the "Hooky fans" (of which I count myself) reacting in faux disgust at Bernard's recent comments. "How dare insult our bass hero etc" is deeply sycophantic and a bit sad unless of course it's Jack and he's your Dad.

It's totally pointless because we - the fans - will never really know what went on behind the scenes and you can't draw much from random quotes in tiny news articles. I prefer to keep the opinion they're both twats (!), they've both probably got very valid grievances against each other but apparently neither will be the first to stand down. Hooky's more than put his side forward in blogs and now Bernard's been refreshingly honest in print. Seems fair enough to me.

I am looking forward to Hooky's response though

I agree that they're both twats (for this is why we love them so!) but I'm more of the opinion that that they both probably have extremely petty grievances against one another and neither of them will admit it.

God bless 'em!

I'm of this opinion as well.

I see it clearly. Barney and Hooky were in a pub, when shoe-size-equations were brought up. An arguement ensued, bringing about both of 'em to whip 'em out onto the bartop. Hooky's was bigger, so Barney lost a fiver. However, in later days, Barney's been going around saying that he won the contest and Hooky's been pissed off ever since.

Does that sound about right?

You've forgotten about the time continuum, and the Childrens musical they were writing together.

It's a shame really! Two old school mates treating each other like that

Igor wrote: I remember an article a few months ago stating that Steve and Alex James were not really a member, but only played in a track or two. Couldn't find it, does anyone remember such thing?

update:

It was actually a message from New Order PR posted in this forum http://www.neworderonline.com/Forums/MessageList.aspx?ThreadID=45732. Steve and Alex were 'additional musician'.

Which makes me wonder. Did the press receive the same message? If so I see two options:

1. some journalist totally misinterpreted Steve's role in BL and then others just copy/pasted this first mistake.

2. Steve (or Bernard) changed his mind and is now a real member of the new band.

This is kind of irrelevant, I know, but I hate to see the press giving wrong information.

The link is to the press release that i and many others on the mailing list recieved and is exactly the same on all the main 3 New Order sites. The press release was sent to the 3 sites on the same day and no doubt countless others on the mailing list.

The info was also posted on the same day by nicos,david and myself on each of our sites.

This is the info we ALL have at present.

Hopefully,very soon, we will get some promo copies of the album and their accompanying press releases for futher info,but,alas,till then, it is a waiting game.

http://neworderinfoweb.piczo.com

Im sure theres both sides to this story. It just seems a shame to me, the way New Order ended and how a 35 odd year friendship collapsed. I always got the impression Peter was the friendly, open one and Barney the closed book and difficult.

I guess were all human. While the members of say REM, Depeche Mode and U2 (seem to) remain great friends after decades of being in succesful bands theres always bands that have great animnosity between members (The Beatles and Guns N Roses spring to mind).

As ex-New Order members are now in their fifties I would have thought they would be more mature and aware of each others habits/traits now. But then no one but those involved really know the real issues, so Im not judging in any way.

The other sad thing is does this mean playing New Order songs are off limits for any of these offshoot bands? Obviously they wont be the same without the element of the missing member(s).

I just hope it doesnt turn into one long slanging off match. I mean, Hooky and Barney are bound to cross paths as they pursue their chosen paths.

Al

NO Regret wrote: Im sure theres both sides to this story. It just seems a shame to me, the way New Order ended and how a 35 odd year friendship collapsed. I always got the impression Peter was the friendly, open one and Barney the closed book and difficult.

I guess were all human. While the members of say REM, Depeche Mode and U2 (seem to) remain great friends after decades of being in succesful bands theres always bands that have great animnosity between members (The Beatles and Guns N Roses spring to mind).

As ex-New Order members are now in their fifties I would have thought they would be more mature and aware of each others habits/traits now. But then no one but those involved really know the real issues, so Im not judging in any way.

The other sad thing is does this mean playing New Order songs are off limits for any of these offshoot bands? Obviously they wont be the same without the element of the missing member(s).

I just hope it doesnt turn into one long slanging off match. I mean, Hooky and Barney are bound to cross paths as they pursue their chosen paths.

Al

A very fine post.

It's just very sad.

It's been sad since Hooky announced that Buenos Aires was the end of the line and that NO were no more. There was the aftermath of Barney and Steve denying this as Hooky insisted it was the case before Barney eventually admitted it and said Bad Lieutenant were on the horizon.

Now the wide-of-the-mark New Order-to-reform bollocks is being promulgated by the likes of Channel 4 Teletext as gospel truth. I kid you not! As Barney, Phil and apparently Steve are involved, they are actually saying that Alex thingy has replaced Hooky and New Order live again!

I had to text them to try to set the record straight. Let's see if they publish it.

I still don't know what it was that made Hooky leave but I think it's very sad that Barney has a bitter 'fuck him' attitude. They were mates for so long, creating some sublime music that will live forever and it's just grim that things are like this.

Steve's right: life is too short.

However, an angry Bernard then quipped: "That's not my motto, my motto is f**k him!"

I bet people are taking this line waaaay too seriously. It's just his sense of humor to say something like that. I seriously doubt he said it with a straight face.

I loved Get Ready and WFTSC so obviously I had my hopes up for another album but honestly, maybe it's for the best to keep things fresh and exciting - I'm looking forward to Bad Lieutenant and Freebass.

Maybe one day we'll see a Freebase single featuring the Bernard Sumner remix, or a Bad Liutenant song featuring Peter Hook.

Doubtful, as they do seem far too stubborn. But don't forget the gap between Republic and Get Ready.

All fights require time to cool down before civility kicks in again.

As much as I hate to say this as well, I can't see BL or FB catching on nearly as well as JD, NO, or even their other side projects.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I've liked what I've heard thus far, just a hunch. :(

Michael Monkhouse wrote: To be honest I think Mr Sumner has every right to snipe at Hooky. I remember PH was being INTOLERABLE back in 2007, shooting his mouth off at every opportunity...

I just find it very bizarre how some people come up with the conclusion that Bernard is the obvious mature one here. And Bernard acts like he doesn't even care, and obviously didn't care to communicate with Hooky. Sure, there are two sides of the story. But Bernard is an enigma, he is the way he is.

Why would people want a New Order in their 50s who never talked to each other and just stayed together for stage appearences for the money... just let it go.

0_o wrote:

Why would people want a New Order in their 50s who never talked to each other and just stayed together for stage appearences for the money...

I'll take it. Just give me more music, no matter the cost

I'd be happier if the record company (or whoever) would sort themselves out and somehow release the unreleased tracks from the WFTSC era. (If it's possible...)

You can't really find out what's going on just by reading articles...all I know is that they are involved in separate projects and that Barney hasn't really spoken to Hooky.

Is anyone else feeling a bit pissed off about that smug-faced twat Alex James being in the band? What does he do, anyway? Does he play guitar? All I know is that he's got a stupid grin and never shuts up about his fucking cocaine use, all the birds he's tupped and cheese. CHEESE! What's that all about?

There, I've said it.

He guested on some tracks on the album, I don't think he'll be in the live band. He has his own band right now in case anyone hadn't noticed.

This press 'story' and the way it has proliferated is an example of how 'journalists' work these days and the redundancy of news in general. Bernard does one little interview (for the Mojo awards wasn't it?) and this elaborated story is replicated everywhere word for word, despite the fact that there are important factual errors.

Can you believe anything you read these days?

True.

Remember when that Sun 'journalist' came on here to defend some crappy piece that she'd tried to pass off as an exclusive interview? We ripped her to shreds and she never came back. I've been trying to find that thread for ages, would love to read it again.

Diamond 383 wrote: Is anyone else feeling a bit pissed off about that smug-faced twat Alex James being in the band? What does he do, anyway? Does he play guitar? All I know is that he's got a stupid grin and never shuts up about his fucking cocaine use, all the birds he's tupped and cheese. CHEESE! What's that all about?

There, I've said it.

CARRY ON SCREWING-i blame his dad...SYD.

El Jarvo wrote:

Diamond 383 wrote: All I know is that he's got a stupid grin and never shuts up about his fucking cocaine use, all the birds he's tupped and cheese.

I've been saying the exact same thing about you for ages.

There, I've said it.

I had assumed that Col was engaging in some ultra-meta-discursive, faux-faux-ironic, post-postmodern ironic displaced self-commentary there.

Then again, maybe not.

Diamond 383 wrote: Is anyone else feeling a bit pissed off about that smug-faced twat Alex James being in the band? What does he do, anyway? Does he play guitar? All I know is that he's got a stupid grin and never shuts up about his fucking cocaine use, all the birds he's tupped and cheese. CHEESE! What's that all about?

There, I've said it.

he does my fucking nut, i hate him nearly as much as bono, geldof and the like in fact he's one of the worst

I'm a bit hurt by that.

I would NEVER mention cheese.

that's your biggest fault col!

well, one of them. top ten, defo.

Chemical wrote: It's just very sad.

Now the wide-of-the-mark New Order-to-reform bollocks is being promulgated by the likes of Channel 4 Teletext as gospel truth. I kid you not! As Barney, Phil and apparently Steve are involved, they are actually saying that Alex thingy has replaced Hooky and New Order live again!

I had to text them to try to set the record straight. Let's see if they publish it.

despite being a new order fan earls is also of the opinion that the boxer beat is due a comeback.

Chemical wrote:

Steve's right: life is too short.

name me one thing you do that lasts longer

Cheese is a drug too, Dave. Especially Stilton.

Not like that fanny James though. He's always bloody going on about it. When he's not droning on about all the drugs and women he used to get through.

Ooh you are awful.

EDIT: No, that was Dick Emery, wasn't it?

johnny james wrote:

This press 'story' and the way it has proliferated is an example of how 'journalists' work these days and the redundancy of news in general. Bernard does one little interview (for the Mojo awards wasn't it?) and this elaborated story is replicated everywhere word for word, despite the fact that there are important factual errors.

Can you believe anything you read these days?

So do you think when journalists are in school, they get marked down for not plagarising enough?

ShugZV wrote: I don't want to read people's point of views. Espescially with some of the basket cases on here.

Just tell me when the album's out and when there's a fookin gig to look forward to.

Anyone?

absolutely.

New Order merging with Blur. Who'd have thought it.

I can't get this song out of my head now......

"Confidence is a preference for the habitual voyeur of what is known as... Low-life!

Johns got brewers droop, he gets intimidated by the dirty pigeons - they love a bit of it....Low-life!

Whos that gut lord marching? you should cut down on your porklife, mate, get some exercise!...Low-life!

All the people (Whoop!)....."

Join in when you're ready.

ShugZV wrote: I don't want to read people's point of views. Espescially with some of the basket cases on here.

Just tell me when the album's out and when there's a fookin gig to look forward to.

Anyone?

Tuesday

ShugZV wrote: I don't want to read people's point of views. Espescially with some of the basket cases on here.

Just tell me when the album's out and when there's a fookin gig to look forward to.

Anyone?

Well, it's supposed to be out this year (album and tour) but, considering it's something to do with a member of New Order, I doubt whether that'll be the case!

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote:

But what about StarWARTS!!??!!

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote:

i actually really liked the track bernard did on that Sky show, credit where its due. love hooky

However, an angry Bernard then quipped: "That's not my motto, my motto is f**k him!"

Says it all really.

Also,

Ally wrote: It's totally pointless because we - the fans - will never really know what went on behind the scenes and you can't draw much from random quotes in tiny news articles.

Everyone should remember this.

Put us out of our misery and spill the Heinz! Why did they split!?!

5 years till the reform gig.

Please New Order tour the states!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ermm bad lieut - Will they do any of the old ones, like 'sunrise' maybe ?

LWTUA on Barney's voice isn't any good. It was really written for Ian to sing.

would be more inclined to take these claims of an album in the next 12 weeks more seriously if they had a record deal in place.

I hope some more concrete information turns up soon, and if Gods listening a small US tour too- ha, what a riot, but I can dream. I just hope Bernard & Peter make up before one of them gets ill or passes away, music aside friendship is important.

Milkshock wrote: would be more inclined to take these claims of an album in the next 12 weeks more seriously if they had a record deal in place.

They have a distribution deal in place, and it's on their own label.