Raize da pressure

I listened to it twice during my holiday, and I really re-discovered it: I think it sounds much more à la mode now than 6 years ago. Electronic: precursors as New Order used to be?

Originally posted by Oh, I've got green eyes I listened to it twice during my holiday, and I really re-discovered it: I think it sounds much more à la mode now than 6 years ago. Electronic: precursors as New Order used to be?

Much underated (how do you spell that:D) this album but as i REALLY RATE ELECTRONIC IMHO this is GREAT!

gotta agree with the ROCKET on that one, very underrated, although there's no excusing 'One Day', also the b'sides from that sesh are v good too. Maybe he was right about viagra, sorry, prozac after all!

I really love this album. You can tell they put a lot of work into it as it sounds so polished (then again they did take what, 5 years producing it??). The B-sides are great. Come to think of it, I haven't listened to Imitation of Life in a loooong time. I wish Turning Point had some lyrics to it, but the others are really ace.

Took both TT and RTP on Minidisc on my holz with me which allowed me some serious quality listening time both on the plane and on the odd occasion when i stumbled home too pissed to sleep!

Must say that Raise The Pressure is exceptional and has that rare NewOrder'sque quality of being played without being tempted to skip any tracks. To hard to pick out any tracks individually as i really do rate the album from start to end. At a push however i would definatly raise my hand for 'Out Of My League'

Have to agree with Shugzter on TT got some great tracks especially Haze,Vivid and the title track but does fall flat in places for me.

Oh Shug i heard that they didnt tour Electronic cause Johnny stated in an interview saying they werent a live band and more of a studio project...

half of raise the pressure is crap. track 5 and 3 suck so bad, i can't remember the titles! it's so generic and boring and those backing singers really add the cheese to the songs. urgh. avoid those songs! :dead:

Originally posted by snucker half of raise the pressure is crap. track 5 and 3 suck so bad, i can't remember the titles! it's so generic and boring and those backing singers really add the cheese to the songs. urgh. avoid those songs! :dead:

HAHAH! its quality music!! get over it :)

Its got to be said, the majority of Raise The Pressure has stood the test of time!

HAZE fookin OWNS your ass!!! And mine!:)

It's so perfect and flawless it's not even FUNNY! I'm nearly deaf from listening to it so loud, so many times. Proof that Ole Johnny boy is still A&K!

Anyway all of Electronic's album kick-ass and Banry and Jonny...

Raise The Pressure is my favourite Electronic album. As I've probably explained before, whilst the first album is wonderful because it's largely based on electro rhythms which are reminiscent of the early 1980's and because the overall style of the album is minimalist it now sounds dated. However, RTP has stood the test of time because most of the tracks are either based on house rhythms or use a lot of instruments. The difference between the first album and RTP is like the difference between black and white and colour or between mono and stereo: you can make great things in black and white or in mono but you can do much more in colour or stereo.

are you people serious?

raise the pressure is the weakest thing electronic has put out. of coarse, it has some great songs, forbidden city and second nature, but it has a lot bad ones too. i think it's a very spotty record with some of the most embarassing songs mr. sumner has ever written. i always skip dark angel, until the end of time and if you've got love. especially if you got love and until the end of time. there's the backup singers, the cheesy keyboards that sound like it came from 1990, not 1996....and it sounds like the type of music that was compiled on those cheesy dance compilations by crappy people like chris shepard.:\puke:

it's not a classic by any means. really. it's one of those records that you would never buy, but just download all the good songs and burn em'.

Snucker, I'm serious about RTP being the best Electronic album. NO at their best (Low-life, Brotherhood, Technique) were three bands in one: a traditional vocals-guitar-bass-drums band, a modern vocals-synth-sequencer-sampler-drum machine dance act and a band that combined the two. Similarly, Electronic are/were three bands in one (although their full-on instrumental dance tracks were released on the B-sides or US versions of singles) and RTP is the sound of two of those bands on very good form. If Idiot Country or Make It Happen had been on RTP all three aspects of Electronic would have been on the album and it would have been an almost perfect album. By the way, can anyone (preferably someone from their UK record company) explain why Electronic's US releases have been far more generous than their UK releases, some of which were cancelled? I've managed to get the US versions of the first four singles and the double CD version of "Twisted Tenderness" but why weren't these and other tracks released in the UK?

To get back on topic, as I explained on an earlier NO vs. Electronic thread (although its title was changed to something like "A NEW Order after Electronic" - I didn't know you could change thread titles) when Bernard and Johnny Marr formed Electronic it gave Bernard a new outlet outside NO in which to experiment, sometimes by trying something new himself (such as trying to rap as on "Idiot Country") and sometimes by collaborating with people on tracks (such as Neil Tennant on "Getting Away With It"). If you don't like dance music (Shug and Snucker, judging by your posts I suspect that you don't) you probably won't like Electronic's dance-style tracks and if you don't like them I'd be interested to know what you think of NO's dance-orientated tracks such as "Fine Time" and "Round and Round". However, if you like dance music (like I do) you'll make your mind up about such tracks by comparing them to similar tracks made by other artists and perhaps come to my conclusion that the dance scene would be in a better state than it is now if more people had made tracks like "Dark Angel", "Until The End Of Time" and "If You've Got Love" rather than just got a dolly bird to sing a few lines written on the back of a cigarette packet in the car on the way to the studio and added them to a bog-standard dance track.

I think Fingers stole my brain. Because that's eggszackly how I feel. The thing that strugs and others don't really "get" is that it's not your *normal* mish mash of dance tunes. The compositions are far more melodic than what you'd get out of say, N'stink, or Modanna. And they have an unhealthy bit of catchyness to them that just grows on you the more you listen to it.

As for my personal favorite CD, I really can't decide. Lately I've given TT the rounds more than the other two discs, simply cause I'm posessed by Make it Happen, Haze, Late at Night, and When She's Gone.

Oh and Idiot Country owns!!

Whoops! I almost forgot...

Freewill, Freefall and Visit Me<<<

Originally posted by snucker are you people serious? raise the pressure is the weakest thing electronic has put out. of coarse, it has some great songs, forbidden city and second nature, but it has a lot bad ones too. i think it's a very spotty record with some of the most embarassing songs mr. sumner has ever written. i always skip dark angel, until the end of time and if you've got love. especially if you got love and until the end of time. there's the backup singers, the cheesy keyboards that sound like it came from 1990, not 1996....and it sounds like the type of music that was compiled on those cheesy dance compilations by crappy people like chris shepard.:\puke: it's not a classic by any means. really. it's one of those records that you would never buy, but just download all the good songs and burn em'.

Agree 100%, Snuck. There doesn't seem to be a lot of substance (no pun intended) behind the majority of RTP. In all I find it far too polished with the gloopy backing vocals attempting to give it any real soul (it doesn't work). Apart from Forbidden City, For you and one or two others, I find it largely bilge. CTB

::sigh::...I guess there's no warming up to dance music for you guys 'eh?

I have no problem with dance muscic, just crap music CTB

Originally posted by Fingers If you don't like dance music (Shug and Snucker, judging by your posts I suspect that you don't) you probably won't like Electronic's dance-style tracks and if you don't like them I'd be interested to know what you think of NO's dance-orientated tracks such as "Fine Time" and "Round and Round". However, if you like dance music (like I do) you'll make your mind up about such tracks by comparing them to similar tracks made by other artists and perhaps come to my conclusion that the dance scene would be in a better state than it is now if more people had made tracks like "Dark Angel", "Until The End Of Time" and "If You've Got Love" rather than just got a dolly bird to sing a few lines written on the back of a cigarette packet in the car on the way to the studio and added them to a bog-standard dance track.

don't like dance music? however did you jump to that conclusion? sure, i haven't been listening to dance music all my life like some of you, but if i didn't like dance music, i wouldn't be here. besides, i'm the minority here who actually liked republic and that was a very dance orientated record, and ironically, i dislike RTP for the same reasons most of you dislike republic. the bad back up singers, the boring beats etc.

it's a given that with more innovative people like barney and johnny around, yeah, the overall quality of dance music as a genre would have risen. that said, we should expect more from these people.

i'm sorry to say, but the three tracks mentioned were just plain boring, didn't even move me just even a little. especially on if you got love. just look at the lyrics! they're so cliched that s club 7 could be singing it! i'm a usual defender of barney and his lyrics. i've forgiven such songs like slow jam and young offender. hell, i don't even mind his rapping that much, and i think it's kinda funny in a cheeseball way. but if you got love just is unforgiveable cuz it's uninspired and cliched. i don't even smile at the corny-ness of it. i'm sorry to say that, but it's my gut reaction to the song, and i definitely think that electronic can do better and have in the past.

oh, and not just to sound like i completely hate this record, i was listening to it all day and forbidden city is one of electronic's finest moments.;)

Sorry, snucker. I mistook you for one of those NO fans who likes Bernard to play guitar, Hooky to play bass, Steve to play proper drums and Gillian to do little if anything at all. If I had only heard "Dark Angel", "Until The End Of Time" and "If You've Got Love" without hearing the rest of the album I wouldn't have been as impressed (although one of them should have been released as a single instead of "For You" and "Out Of My League" should have been released instead of "Second Nature" which didn't really promote the album because it was too off-the-wall). However, when you listen to the whole album they make more sense musically, if not lyrically, because they are a warm and welcoming contrast to the more traditional rock songs such as "Forbidden City" (another strange choice of song title) and "Out Of My League" which sound loud and imposing. By the way, I like Republic too: it tails off towards the end but the first six tracks are up to scratch and "Regret" is absolutely breathtaking.

Maybe I'm an old codger but in the late 1980's the dance music scene seemed as if it was going to sweep everything before it. However, the revolution didn't happen because at some point in the early-to-mid 1990's it was cancelled and replaced with a series of sales opportunities. Many artists who made some memorable dance tracks and could have made more instead retreated deep into the underground, drifted away due to public indifference or lost the plot and now old codgers like me rely heavily on a few long-standing and usually reliable acts such as Underworld, Fatboy Slim and The Chemical Brothers to give us something worth listening to more than once. I'd like to think that Barney and co. (and I'm not really bothered whether that is New Order or Electronic) could produce something that resembles Underworld, the Chemical Brothers and Basement Jaxx but includes some trademark Barney or NO features such as reasonably coherent lyrics that may or may not be meaningful or devilish bass lines, something like Here To Stay but more adventurous.