Just read somewhere, Stone Roses gonna re-release their entire singles in 7" format (very much like The Smiths did recently) and starting with 'Elephant Stone'...and most of us know Peter Hook produced it but anyone knows how that came about?
Was Peter happenned to be at his local hardware store - the paint section, to be precised - when Ian & co was shopping for tubs of those things??? :D
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Anyone knows how Peter Hook got involved with Stone Roses's debut single?
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No idea, though it was actually their third single, preceded by 'So Young' and 'Sally Cinnamon'.
FYI. Martin Hannett produced both 'So Young' tracks, though I doubt he recommended Hooky as a producer.
johnny james wrote: No idea, though it was actually their third single, preceded by 'So Young' and 'Sally Cinnamon'.
FYI. Martin Hannett produced both 'So Young' tracks, though I doubt he recommended Hooky as a producer.
oh, yea, u r right there johnny 
..i keep forgetting those early stuffs and werent they a pseudo-gothic kinda band in their early days? remember seeing photos of them in long robes etc...
actually, i do have a book about them somewhere in the house ....there should be some reference to peter hook in there, i believe.....but not too buggerred at the moment to go searching that book.
btw, i'm still searching for the US vinyl issue of their debut LP as it contains additional tracks - those not found in UK issued one.
Squire used to sell him cut-price coke; Mani & Ian used to babysit at a moment's notice; Reni used to suck him off when the mood took him.
I thought everyone knew this? Manchester folklore innit.
PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote: Squire used to sell him cut-price coke; Mani & Ian used to babysit at a moment's notice; Reni used to suck him off when the mood took him.
I thought everyone knew this? Manchester folklore innit.
when you going to release the book martin ?
Stone Roses recorded a bunch of their demos at Hook's studio Suite 16 in early 1988. That's probably where the connection was made.
Regardless of how it happened the 12" version Hooky produced is amazing. I do love the 7" Leckie produced version, but the 12" version is a standout track in their catalog for me. I like how Hooky produced a Stone Roses single and Bernard a Happy Mondays single, I always thought SR should have been on Factory- shame. Sorry a tiny bit off topic I suppose.
Rough Trade were gagging to sign the Stone Roses. Head honcho Geoff Travis went to see them play at the International Club in Manchester (the Roses manager Gareth Evans was involved with the venue so they were always playing down there) and met up with them afterwards to persuade them into signing. During the post gig party the conversation turned to musical influences and the Roses said how much they loved New Order. Travis couldn't get them to commit on the album that night so offered to release their next single - Elephant Stone - confident that he could use that as a way of impressing the band and thus securing the album deal which he craved.
Wondering how he could turn their heads Travis had the idea of putting them in the studio with one of their heroes so he commissioned Hooky to do the production. Only when the track landed on Travis' desk it wasn't what he was looking for so he decided to send it out to another producer to remix it. That producer (not sure if it was Leckie) thought it was a great song and tipped off one of his contacts at Silvertone. Silvertone went straight up to Manchester and signed the Roses from under Travis' nose!.
Travis still has the painting which John Squire sent him for the single's cover art, on his office wall, as a reminder of the one that got away.
Hooky's name is still listed as the producer but I don't know whether Rough Trade kept his mix for the 12" only or if they just decided to retain his name on it for marketing purposes.
Hope this is of help.
Thanks for the insight, JG.
Elephant Stone is one of my favourite Roses tracks by a long shot even though it doesn't feature on the first album for some reason. I went out of my way to get the CD single when I first got into them years ago 
I was always under the impression Hooky did the 7" version and Leckie did the 12" for some reason. The reverse hihat intro at the start of the 12" is pretty memorable.
Recently in Uncut magazine Hooky said he got 50 grand as his fee for Elephant Stone.
dave soligo wrote: Stone Roses recorded a bunch of their demos at Hook's studio Suite 16 in early 1988. That's probably where the connection was made.
not true according to my dad!
Surely PH was involved in both versions? The drum fill overkill (esp. on the 12") is pure Revenge, isn't it?
[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote:
dave soligo wrote: Stone Roses recorded a bunch of their demos at Hook's studio Suite 16 in early 1988. That's probably where the connection was made.
not true according to my dad!
Yeah, like what does HE know?
EdelBrock wrote:
[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote:
dave soligo wrote: Stone Roses recorded a bunch of their demos at Hook's studio Suite 16 in early 1988. That's probably where the connection was made.
not true according to my dad!
Yeah, like what does HE know?
my dad said to get em another beer.
i love you too dad
