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£50 Note,
You should send these to the band, they are just perfect! I hope they release it someday with the same care that you are taking and hopefully remastered from the master tapes!
steinomite wrote: One question for £50 Note - for the tracks being sourced from "Substance" for your project, did you consider using the DAT copy of the album (FACT 200D)? Would be curious to hear how the sound quality compares to the CD.
Even if you can find a copy of the DAT it's expensive on the collectors' market (I don't know anyone who owns one).
Who still owns a DAT player?
I still have the "Substance" DAT in my collection, along with the five other releases in the DAT format on Factory (Technique, Substance 1977 - 1980, Bummed, Vini Reilly, and Guitar & Other Machines).
Wasn't trying to criticize, just figured all the studio/sound designer guys still had DAT players and recorders since the format is still actively used in studios.
-Mike
I also own the Substance DAT but - yup, you guessed it - no DAT player; it's shrink wrapped anyway and I have no plans to unwrap.
I did read somewhere eons ago (hence this could be completely wrong) that the Factory DATs were recorded at more or less the same quality level as the CDs. They didn't bother taking advantage of the full potential of the format or something so I would guess the quality difference is more or less identical to the CDs. DAT is capable of 48khz?
I'm still looking for Technique.
Ally wrote: I also own the Substance DAT but - yup, you guessed it - no DAT player; it's shrink wrapped anyway and I have no plans to unwrap.
I did read somewhere eons ago (hence this could be completely wrong) that the Factory DATs were recorded at more or less the same quality level as the CDs. They didn't bother taking advantage of the full potential of the format or something so I would guess the quality difference is more or less identical to the CDs. DAT is capable of 48khz?
I'm still looking for Technique.
They're probably 44.1k/16bit like any CD, so I would guess they sound the same.
Even if they were 48k you'd have to convert that to 44.1k and that might introduce jitter errors. Probably not worth it since 48k isn't too much better than 44.1k and you might even degrade it with the extra conversion.
steinomite wrote:
Wasn't trying to criticize, just figured all the studio/sound designer guys still had DAT players and recorders since the format is still actively used in studios.
Huh? DAT is dead. Nobody has made the decks in years.
Bruno Republic wrote:
steinomite wrote:
Wasn't trying to criticize, just figured all the studio/sound designer guys still had DAT players and recorders since the format is still actively used in studios.
Huh? DAT is dead. Nobody has made the decks in years.
Well, only relatively recently (2005) - which begs the question of what happens to all the stuff that has been recorded onto DAT over the years...
That's a massive conversion job that probably has to be done sooner rather than later! :p
johnny james wrote:
They're probably 44.1k/16bit like any CD, so I would guess they sound the same.
Even if they were 48k you'd have to convert that to 44.1k and that might introduce jitter errors. Probably not worth it since 48k isn't too much better than 44.1k and you might even degrade it with the extra conversion.
If I remember correctly (it's been over 20 years since there was any talk about pre-recorded DAT tapes), the plan was that all decks could read 44.1 or 48. Pre-recorded ones were made @ 44.1KHz, while consumer decks would record only @ 48Khz. I *think* most pro decks could record at either rate.
I remember there was a huge discussion about potential piracy from DAT, with various copy protection schemes being suggested (like one which put a narrow but deep frequency notch in the audio signal) before SCMS was chosen. In any event it made no difference, as the high cost of DAT pretty much killed any chance it had to be a successful consumer format.
Nick King wrote:
Well, only relatively recently (2005) - which begs the question of what happens to all the stuff that has been recorded onto DAT over the years...
That's a massive conversion job that probably has to be done sooner rather than later! :p
Indeed... the format is not known for reliability (which brings us back to the point that even if we had the Substance DAT and a deck, there's no guarantee it would play properly... or at all!)
Massive congrats and heartfelt thanks to the guys responsible for such an exhaustive, detailed and comprehensive job. I sincerely hope (and expect) Warners to be suitably embarrassed when two fans who know what they're doing (and actually care) can produce something that a) other fans really appreciate and actually want to own, and b) makes their own miserable efforts look like they were done by first year students. Well done guys, your efforts are genuinely recognised by real NO fans on here.
... not the first or last person on this thread to send my heart-felt thanks for all the care and devotion you've put into this project ...
Peter
For those who have Factory DAT tapes, the decks are going for less on eBay than the tapes generally. Search for Tascam DA-20 (a good and usually reliable pro-deck)
cheers JJ have technique, never played it, but it wasn't sealed when i bought it from the shop
is there anything different about the versions on the DAT?
just checked & there are 2 for bidding & one at buy it now for £179.00
take it that's an overinflated price?
If you look at completed items it seems it's possible to get a DA-20 for around £50-70. There are probably other decks worth getting but I've had one of these for years and it's great.
Though in the computer era it gets used less and less, never for recording anymore, just playback of existing stuff (for transfer onto hard disk). DAT has been totally superceded by computers in every possible way.
Just wanted to say: Fantastic project, thanks a lot for this!!! Everyone who has ever tried to transfer vinyl to digital media with professional results knows how much work this is. The remastering is immculate, better than all the official best ofs, reissues and other compilations around.
Max
£50 Note wrote:
piliña wrote: Am I right lot of the tracks were 'restored' from vinyl sources? If so, is there a chance the original 7" b/side of Shellshock, Thieves Like Us Instrumental (7" Edit), will be included on Recycle 11 one day?
Yes, half or more of the tracks came from vinyl...and the TLU edit is there:
- Shellshock
- Shellcock
- Thieves Like Us Instrumental '86
- Shellshock (7" Edit)
- Thieves Like Us Instrumental '86 (7" Edit)
If you're missing it you must have deleted it accidentally.
Yep, I somehow missed it, it was still in the zip-file :-)
£50 Note wrote: True Faith is up.
Hi £50 Note,
Again another wonderful Recycle disc. Thanks!
Is it correct that your UK 7" edit is in fact a re-edit of the 12" version? Unlike this version my 7" copy has the same first beat (without echo) as the 12". Also the 7" doesn't have the well-known glitches.
(I almost hate myself for writing this, but as you've spent so much hours and energy in this project I can imagine you want it to be perfect...)
costello wrote: i'm still checking for updates on a daily basis.
love your work.
We're in the process of doing QA on the fixed True Faith bundle right now. Hopefully it'll go up this weekend, and I'll post TBTHOG soon after because of the delay.
Thank you once again - it feels like a new release every time I download the latest upload - bring on TBTHOG!!! 
