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I don't know if this been on NOOL before but the better 'arf today stumbled upon this article:

Which is the best song with the silliest lyric?

"...When talking of classic bands with silly lyrics, it's impossible not to get onto New Order. The Mancunian existentialist techno Gods maybe be among my top three bands of all time (together with this lot and this lot) but Bernard Sumner's words are famously daft. "I think you are a pig, you should be in a zoo" he opines on Every Little Counts. The holy 1982 single Temptation (another song reputedly inspired by LSD) sees someone with green eyes, blue eyes and grey eyes. Elsewhere in the catalogue Bernard informs us that love is like honey, "you can't buy it with money." Let that be a lesson to you next time you visit the corner shop and ask for a jar of nature's finest. But Sumner's lyrics are knowingly daft and have a certain so-crap-they're-great-ness about them..."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2008/oct/17/oasis-beatles-silly-lyrics

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The most important thing with a vocal is the rhythm and intonation of the singer. The actual meaning and lyrics are often secondary.

Stephen Hague got the most out of Bernards voice.

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Brotherhood all the way wrote: The most important thing with a vocal is the rhythm and intonation of the singer. The actual meaning and lyrics are often secondary.

Stephen Hague got the most out of Bernards voice.

Id have to agree with your second point. Im still thinking about the first.

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Bernard's written some strange, oddball lyrics.

He has also written some truly godd and great lyrics.

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give the cult's 'electric' a spin sometime if you want some real head scratchers. "plastic fantastic, lobster telephone" great record tho.

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SINK or bastard SWIM my ARSE..........:idea: :blackeye: :\ohwell:

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RM wrote: SINK or bastard SWIM my ARSE..........:idea: :blackeye: :\ohwell:

Been t'pub t'nite RM?

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I can think of lots of daft New Order lyrics, but I wouldn't cite Temptation as one of them. The eyes bit it is the best lyric in the song too!

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Burt Reynolds wrote:

RM wrote: SINK or bastard SWIM my ARSE..........:idea: :blackeye: :\ohwell:

Been t'pub t'nite RM?

The baths. D.Goodhew

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poorshakes wrote: I can think of lots of daft New Order lyrics, but I wouldn't cite Temptation as one of them. The eyes bit it is the best lyric in the song too!

I would think Dracula's Pissing Castle takes some beating...

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people need people like you

people need people like you

people need people like you

up down turn around hit the floor hurt the ground tonight were gonna be alright tonight were gonna get uptight

up down turn around hit the floor hurt the ground tonight were gonna.....

people need people like you

people hurt! people like you

thoughts from above hurt people down below thoughts from above hurt people down below thoughts from above hurt people down below thoughts from above....

three ways four ways anyway you hit the floor three ways four ways hit the door

three ways four ways anyway you hit the floor its the last time

its the last time oh its the last time oh its the last time oh its the last time oh its the last time

ohhh up down turn around hit the floor hurt the ground up! down turn around hit the floor hurt the ground up down turn around! hit the floor hurt the ground

tonight were gonna be alright

aaaaive never met anyone quite like you before no ive never met anyone quite! like you before no ive never met anyone quite like you before no ive never met anyone quite like you before

its the first time oh its the first time oh its the first time oh its the first time oh its the first time oooooh its the first time oh its the first time

and its going away

its going way round the bend...

(thank you bernard) :bow:

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There are good song lyrics, bad song lyrics and then there are Bernard Sumner’s song lyrics. Sumner has turned the banal lyrical statement into an art. Take his words out of the context of the song and their almost childlike simplicity can be excruciating.

But it’s that very point that makes his lyrics so entertaining. They survive and prosper in the warm embrace of melody and rhythm. They don’t attempt to masquerade as poetry (they couldn’t if they tried); they are wonderfully flawed.

The pinnacle of Sumner’s way with words is also one of New Order’s finest songs. Regret is the perfect distillation of New Order as a pop band, but it’s the sheer audacity of the opening line of the chorus that makes the song: ‘I would like a place I could call my own/Have a conversation on my telephone’. We’ve all been there, Bernard. A good chat can cure so many ills.

The debut single from Sumner’s new band Bad Lieutenant, Sink Or Swim, doesn’t quite reach the same giddy heights as Regret, although ‘This is the real thing at your door/ Big waves breaking on the shore’ certainly has a good try. It’s a deeply clichéd couplet of the girl meets boy variety, but of course that’s the point – the song is all about misplaced love/lust, and those crashing waves are a suitably clumsy metaphor.

Sumner has always been open about the fact that he finds writing lyrics difficult; in a recent interview on Sky Arts he talked about the random way he pieces his lyrics together. That won’t come as a surprise to anyone who’s followed Sumner’s work in New Order, Electronic and now Bad Lieutenant.

But it’s this very struggle with words that makes Sumner such a likeable lyricist. In the early days of New Order he tried to live up to Ian Curtis’s darkly poetic legacy. The result was far too much staring out to sea and being stranded on metaphorical islands. Once he realised that singing about ordinary day-to-day stuff is just as valid a route to the soul, things got less cryptic, more real and a distinctive voice started to appear.

In a 1989 TV interview Sumner was asked whether, as a pop star, you can take yourself too seriously. His reply seemed to mirror his approach to lyric writing: ‘Yeah, you can. You can get a bit above yourself. Like that guy, what’s his name… Bongo.’

The joy of his lyrics is their very simplicity, their lack of bombast. Twenty years after that statement, it’s guaranteed that the new Bad Lieutenant album will be free of Bono-style pronouncements. Of course telephones, doors and the odd wave may feature.

http://chrissharratt.posterous.com/bernard-sumners-still-getting-away-with-it

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linus sulanki wrote: There are good song lyrics, bad song lyrics and then there are Bernard Sumner’s song lyrics. Sumner has turned the banal lyrical statement into an art. Take his words out of the context of the song and their almost childlike simplicity can be excruciating.

But it’s that very point that makes his lyrics so entertaining. They survive and prosper in the warm embrace of melody and rhythm. They don’t attempt to masquerade as poetry (they couldn’t if they tried); they are wonderfully flawed.

The pinnacle of Sumner’s way with words is also one of New Order’s finest songs. Regret is the perfect distillation of New Order as a pop band, but it’s the sheer audacity of the opening line of the chorus that makes the song: ‘I would like a place I could call my own/Have a conversation on my telephone’. We’ve all been there, Bernard. A good chat can cure so many ills.

The debut single from Sumner’s new band Bad Lieutenant, Sink Or Swim, doesn’t quite reach the same giddy heights as Regret, although ‘This is the real thing at your door/ Big waves breaking on the shore’ certainly has a good try. It’s a deeply clichéd couplet of the girl meets boy variety, but of course that’s the point – the song is all about misplaced love/lust, and those crashing waves are a suitably clumsy metaphor.

Sumner has always been open about the fact that he finds writing lyrics difficult; in a recent interview on Sky Arts he talked about the random way he pieces his lyrics together. That won’t come as a surprise to anyone who’s followed Sumner’s work in New Order, Electronic and now Bad Lieutenant.

But it’s this very struggle with words that makes Sumner such a likeable lyricist. In the early days of New Order he tried to live up to Ian Curtis’s darkly poetic legacy. The result was far too much staring out to sea and being stranded on metaphorical islands. Once he realised that singing about ordinary day-to-day stuff is just as valid a route to the soul, things got less cryptic, more real and a distinctive voice started to appear.

In a 1989 TV interview Sumner was asked whether, as a pop star, you can take yourself too seriously. His reply seemed to mirror his approach to lyric writing: ‘Yeah, you can. You can get a bit above yourself. Like that guy, what’s his name… Bongo.’

The joy of his lyrics is their very simplicity, their lack of bombast. Twenty years after that statement, it’s guaranteed that the new Bad Lieutenant album will be free of Bono-style pronouncements. Of course telephones, doors and the odd wave may feature.

http://chrissharratt.posterous.com/bernard-sumners-still-getting-away-with-it

Very well put. I don't think anyone could call Sumner the greatest songwriter in the world: His lyrics always seem to straddle a very thin line between pithy and concise and stupendously daft. When he's at his best though, its the elegant simplicity of his songs, matched with the uptempo beat of the music itself, that really allows the songs to shine.

I have to say that I do love Leave Me Alone on PC&L though-it's one of my favourite New Order songs and there I think he DOES present his themes eloquently and elegantly. Remember, that same album also gave us Your Silent Face, which has been taken to be a good-natured PARODY of Ian Curtis' lyrics: "A sign that leads the way/The path we cannot take/You've caught me at a bad time/So, why don't you piss off?" I mean, come ON. Tell me that's not awesome.

All The Way from Technique (another contender for my all-time favourite NO song) is another great case: "It takes years to find the nerve/To be apart from what you've done/To find the truth inside yourself/And not depend on anyone" Nothing too lyrically deep or symbolic going on there, but it's upbeat and inspirational and the song just soars. I love it.

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Bernard Sumner is the English Brian Wilson

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I can think of a lot of other bands that have far more sillier Lyrics.

Depends on the definition of silly,silly because the artist sings about god (a la depeche),are these lyrics actually silly then?

Does that make the songwriter/lyricist silly?

Does that make the listener silly?

Does that make the record company,who have spent Hundreds of thousands trying to make the record/album/single a success,silly?

This has probably got to be the fuckin silliest post of the year!

:nuts:

http://neworderinfoweb.piczo.com

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:nuts: wrote: I can think of a lot of other bands that have far more sillier Lyrics.

Depends on the definition of silly,silly because the artist sings about god (a la depeche),are these lyrics actually silly then?

Does that make the songwriter/lyricist silly?

Does that make the listener silly?

Does that make the record company,who have spent Hundreds of thousands trying to make the record/album/single a success,silly?

This has probably got to be the fuckin silliest post of the year!

:nuts:

http://neworderinfoweb.piczo.com

Yes, the whole world is silly nowadays, isn't it? :skeptic:

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:nuts: wrote: I can think of a lot of other bands that have far more sillier Lyrics.

Depends on the definition of silly,silly because the artist sings about god (a la depeche),are these lyrics actually silly then?

Does that make the songwriter/lyricist silly?

Does that make the listener silly?

Does that make the record company,who have spent Hundreds of thousands trying to make the record/album/single a success,silly?

This has probably got to be the fuckin silliest post of the year!

:nuts:

http://neworderinfoweb.piczo.com

wot a silly thing to say

:\ohwell: :\ohwell: :\ohwell: :\ohwell: :\ohwell:

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