It's a long one so I had to split it in 3 (because I had to use YouTube to save bandwidth!)
Very good job by Chris Nash, interview occured last week on the launch of his new book.
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NEWORDERONLINE EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH PETER HOOK
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Great interview thanks for making, doesn't seem to bitter to Bernard - my suggestion to Hooky is to follow what BL have done with their release, share a few tracks to get everyone interested but keep a few tracks back and have a few ltd edition formats to ensure everyone purchases when released. 
Thanks all.
Hooky was actually really complimentary about Bernard, which was nice.
And as for the Mickey Mouse ears, we realised it, but decided to film it like that anyway. It does look funny! ;)
And sorry for the occasional slurping noises... we all had mugs of coffee.
Geno wrote: that Bass Bandits track sounds ace, thought was NO!
I think it's excellent too. Have a listen to the other material by Bass Bandits:
That was one of the most surreal experiences of my life...
I started listening to the music and thinking it sounded really familiar... and then I realized it was me playing guitar...
Weird... thanks for sticking that on Chris... Made my day!!!! I can now say I opened for Peter Hook.
Kerry Harris wrote: That was one of the most surreal experiences of my life...
I started listening to the music and thinking it sounded really familiar... and then I realized it was me playing guitar...
Weird... thanks for sticking that on Chris... Made my day!!!! I can now say I opened for Peter Hook.
I did seek permission first Kerry - Jed was surprised to be asked, but said he thought you'd like it. Thanks mate
I'm just glad that I don't have to keep quiet about it all any more. Only three people knew about the interview before it happened (apart from Hooky and James). I wasn't allowed to say much more than "it happened" before we published it.
Very diplomatic from Mr Hook,could we be even thinkin that a reconcilliation could be on the cards 
Bugger,just saw the copyright at the bottom of the page,was going to nick it and put it on you know where .(only kidding Nic )
Excellent stuff ,Hooky on top form and as eloquent as ever.
bloody noisy place tho.
P.S stop giving bloody music away for free its bloody naughty! 
Top job guys,great interview,thanks very much to everyone involved 
Top tune too,thought was going to be Freebass
kel wrote: Top job guys,great interview,thanks very much to everyone involved
Top tune too,thought was going to be Freebass
Thought it was Freebass at first, but then i could only hear one bass so went with NO (why, i don't know got everything by them)
good stuff thought guys
do quite like your other songs, well not so much the godfather, would like them more if the bass was louder:D
ace interview aswel, whats 'rare, live material' you think he's hiding???
Bass Bandits had at least two bass tracks in there. The High part and the backing. I know what you mean though.
The rare live material? Who knows? My guess is that as Hooky has collected bootlegs and recorded gigs himself over the years, there may well be some JD and NO rarities "in the vaults" but it's anyone's guess when they would be released.
he's mentions in 'exactly how to run a club' that rob bought everyone sony recorders and he used them to record a fair few NO gigs placing it on the mixing desk or whatever, also the Hac CCTV footage
but more than likely its soundboards of gigs we've already got
nothing we havn't already got right.
unless these dub version of JD crop uo
anyway the interview just got me thinking, well getting me hopes up, great to hear something different, cheers Chris
Chris that was a fucking excellent interview mate.Really frank and revealing. Can't believe he'd want to run another club again.Another Manchester club!!! Also that FREEBASS aren't on a label.
Thanks Eimi and Cheers Monty. I think it was more luck than judgement on my part though. The poor guy had been at BBC Breakfast for about 6am, then done another six interviews. That one was done around 5pm and he still had another couple to do. I'm 42 and I was knackered going to London for a day - he's ten years older!
I like the fact that Hooky was cool enough to think, "It's NOOL, I can be myself" rather than having to be too guarded, watch the language, etc. I think perhaps it was a more comfortable situation. Chatting in a coffee bar will always be more relaxed than sitting on a studio sofa!
Cheers Melly, but credit really needs to go to Hooky and James for remembering my pathetic begging email from a year ago 
Great interview. I hope Freebass can figure out how they're going to release their EP soon, I'm very eager to hear it.
Great work there Chris. Made me realized it was YEARS ago when I first talked to you about writing articles for this site! Wow...
Thanks for putting my name in there -- made me smile!
Very interesting part where Hooky speaks about music download. It puts a face on the negative impact this has on the artist.
For the record, NewOrderOnline never encouraged people to download New Order/Joy Division tracks or from any of the side projets. As I understand, though, several users of the forums over the years have indicated where to download such music when it was available somewhere online, which is quite hard to control. This problem is wider and hurts the whole entertainment industry.
I may be wrong, but at the end of the day, I think this website had a much more positive impact on the income of New Order members than the contrary. The band members, their management and their record company would have had to pay tens of thousands of pounds / dollars to get the same publicity and exposure this site has provided them for free over the years.
But I do understand Hooky's point about music download!
P.S. The Mickey Mouse ears got me laughing throughout the interview... I would pay to see Hooky's face when he'll see that!
Really nice. I wish Hooky would consider writing the new order book and not the joy division book... I know he has the first-hand account about JD which would be interesting, but joy division is ground that is too worn (out) by now.
Eek a Hooky mouse!
Well done Chris Nash and Hooky
watching that chat has achieved the nigh on impossible and put me in a good mood first thing in the morning.
For the record, NewOrderOnline never encouraged people to download New Order/Joy Division tracks or from any of the side projets. As I understand, though, several users of the forums over the years have indicated where to download such music when it was available somewhere online, which is quite hard to control. This problem is wider and hurts the whole entertainment industry.INTERESTING.....
BOLLOCKS
Chris Nash wrote: Cheers Melly, but credit really needs to go to Hooky and James for remembering my pathetic begging email from a year ago
Who's this james?
Anyway, good interview. Nice watch on rainy boring fridaymorning @ the office
Job wel done
Excellent interview, good to see Hooky as a normal guy, I think he'd be a laugh out on the town for a night.
Cheers, Alan.
Always good to see/hear Hooky in a good mood. Cannae access youtube from work - will check it when I get home, well done on getting the interview
Oh, and Rocket, if you burn any of my cassettes you will be hearing from my lawyer. All those cassettes came from working on a fucking milk float and doing a paper round, so the potentail of damages will be really high.
Rumpole Of The Bailey over and out.
Jed Stephens wrote: Great interview Chris, but why did you make him wear Micky Mouse ears?
Mousey type stuff has been very 'in' for the past year! 
Martijn wrote:
Chris Nash wrote: Cheers Melly, but credit really needs to go to Hooky and James for remembering my pathetic begging email from a year ago
Who's this james?
Hooky's P.R , smashing bloke.
Martijn wrote:
Chris Nash wrote: Cheers Melly, but credit really needs to go to Hooky and James for remembering my pathetic begging email from a year ago
Who's this james?
Hooky's P.R , smashing bloke.
Please SIR..can i have a PROMO...fawn fawn! :p
RM wrote:
Martijn wrote:
Chris Nash wrote: Cheers Melly, but credit really needs to go to Hooky and James for remembering my pathetic begging email from a year ago
Who's this james?
Hooky's P.R , smashing bloke.
Please SIR..can i have a PROMO...fawn fawn!
Dont have to ask mate,sends me owt i want,had loads of stuff off him.
Not like the other lot,mind you seeing that a certain person has put the spoke in for me.....did i say that out
loud?
http://neworderinfoweb.piczo.com
Mind you
RM wrote:
Due to the FACT that Hooky wants to release some LIVE soundboard concerts i think forum ain't done 'em any favours.You gonna burn your cassettes?Thought not!
I remember the good old days when NEW ORDER encouraged selling PROMOS* eg SUBSTANCE GATEFOLD only if DESPERATE....beggars belief.I kept NUMBER 50 during the lean years though.
I censored you a little there because I thought it was much needed, but this is something else, first Sebastien has nothing to do with it, and that forum was created to make sure it was not posted on the public areas of this website especially to make sure casuals wouldn't have access to it.
I'm 99% sure regulars of this website are buying all that is released by New Order anyways, collecting live bootlegs, and especially if not making any profit out of it is not usually something very bad. In fact, record labels and management contacted US to find out if we had live recordings and ideas of what they could use for their remaster "extra" discs and other projects.
We're more helping than the opposite me thinks. If Hooky or anybody else in the band had a problem with that we'd remove it in a heathbeat.
The last time I had a request from Hooky to remove stuff from this website is when somebody posted a link to a mp3 of The Killer's Shadowplay before it was even released.
I did remove the link as requested. That was original material. For live broadcasting from radio (such as BBC sessions) and live stuff, I have mixed feelings, I think it promotes more to spread them.. if you enjoy that live recording, you will probably go see them live.. and many of us love collecting alternate versions, and it won't stop us from buying them if they are released later.
Sure not the case for everyone, but I'm pretty sure those people wouldn't buy it anyways.
But I do get Hooky's point that side-projects are more vulnerable to this, but hey, it's part of today's reality sadly... bands make more money from touring than selling albums.
I did receive a Bad Lieutenant promo, I hope to get one from Freebass as well, I'm not giving them away, and I am buying the final product because I know that if I don't do that I might not have more, because I know each sales will be important for them (plus, I kind of like having the "product" itself)
Spotnick wrote:
I censored you a little there because I thought it was much needed, but this is something else, first Sebastien has nothing to do with it, and that forum was created to make sure it was not posted on the public areas of this website especially to make sure casuals wouldn't have access to it.
I did receive a Bad Lieutenant promo, I hope to get one from Freebass as well, I'm not giving them away, and I am buying the final product because I know that if I don't do that I might not have more, because I know each sales will be important for them (plus, I kind of like having the "product" itself)
Think RM was refering to someone being banned,ages ago due to an online "altercation" with Sebastien
As you well know, the BL promo's were only sent out in very limited quantities, according to form this was done to stop the album getting on the web. There have been a few on ebay,not from ep but with OUT promo stickers on them,make of that what you will.
I did recieve the promos and also got sent a cdr that someone had copied from a Russian torrent site.
It is a fact that people download illegally,and i can see where Hooky is coming from, not sure i would have left that bit in the interview to be honest.
The majority of people on here WILL buy the album in multiple formats,myself included.
http://neworderinfoweb.piczo.com
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RM wrote: Don't BULLSHIT NIc.WE KNOW....don'T take us for IDIOTS.Yes i know it is YOUR SITE.But don't pretend....TWO wrongs don't make it RIGHT for ME(and several others).... Cheers Rocket Mick
Well, if that's the way many people feel, I have no problem closing it, really. I actually never check that one to be honest, and last time I checked, it had no moderator for ages.
RM wrote: 3rd time lucky... You allowed the downloaded album to be discussed for several weeks and no action was taken.Home taping killing music!When a link to a iTunes only was made i was told this ain't cricket.It was a Protest and the downloaders have BOUGHT everything AVAILABLE to them.So the wise cracks from the INNER circle need to look a BIT closer to home.
It's a known fact I'm less present on this website, and also that Tim has major logging on issues I'm trying to resolve... I can't check everything.
I could probably add more moderators to filter content, IDK.. but will it change much? People will get the album one way or the other. Censorship has never been a good thing in history 
Spotnick wrote:
RM wrote: 3rd time lucky... You allowed the downloaded album to be discussed for several weeks and no action was taken.Home taping killing music!When a link to a iTunes only was made i was told this ain't cricket.It was a Protest and the downloaders have BOUGHT everything AVAILABLE to them.So the wise cracks from the INNER circle need to look a BIT closer to home.
It's a known fact I'm less present on this website, and also that Tim has major logging on issues I'm trying to resolve... I can't check everything.
I could probably add more moderators to filter content, IDK.. but will it change much? People will get the album one way or the other. Censorship has never been a good thing in history
He says after censoring me about 24 mins ago.YOU WIN! :D
Maybe we need a written policy on the site. Guidance as to what may and may not be posted.
I'm sure no one here wishes to harm any of the musicians involved, or their livelihoods.
Once there is a proper policy posted, everyone knows where they stand. I don't think anyone would like to see official complaints about the site.
In the past, Hooky especially, has stated that he's happy with live bootlegs. However, no band members have stated that they condone posting of or linking to official releases.
Most of us are fans and yes, even if we manage to get our grubby mitts on a promo or two, we'll still buy the official release - often in all formats, but posting of official releases is a bit of a 
Could we also clarify posting of radio interviews, etc. please?
As for leaving the subject out of the interview, I think that would be wrong Steve. My reasoning being that if that's what Hooky wished to say, directly to people here, after I'd specifically asked him - he obviously must feel strongly about it. I see no reason to deny him the platform to say so, just because some people (me included) may feel uncomfortable about it. I was genuinely unaware at the time of the interview that "Stalingrad" or a link to the track, had been posted here. Yes, I was embarrassed to find that out in person, but as a representative of NOOL I had to accept some responsibility. I could easily have left something that I personally found awkward out of the interview, but that would be the worst kind of censorship in my opinion - denying someone's right of reply in order to make myself look/feel better.
My belief was that no official releases or promo material was allowed here, but real fans swapping live gigs that we attended together was okay.
I can see it all from both sides, but we do need to take heed of what is said by the various band members and their management representatives - without their existence, there wouldn't be a NOOL or a WIM or any other fan/semi-official site.
Cheers guys 
Good interview - and sorry for the blatant self-promotion (again!) but I managed to grab a few minutes with Hooky at the London book signing last week. Check out my blog:
Chris Nash wrote: Maybe we need a written policy on the site. Guidance as to what may and may not be posted.
Could we also clarify posting of radio interviews, etc. please?
As for leaving the subject out of the interview, I think that would be wrong Steve. My reasoning being that if that's what Hooky wished to say, directly to people here, after I'd specifically asked him - he obviously must feel strongly about it. I see no reason to deny him the platform to say so, just because some people (me included) may feel uncomfortable about it. I was genuinely unaware at the time of the interview that "Stalingrad" or a link to the track, had been posted here. Yes, I was :
Chris, please dont take my words out of context,i meant nothing disrespectful,just my opinion.
It seems that tensions are running high on this particular matter and i dont wish to add fuel to the flames.
Certain people have the right to feel agrieved and that has now been sorted,end of.
Just wish they'd get the Freebass stuff out there,perhaps nool (and other sites) could possibly do something on the distribution front,just an idea mind.
steve
I didn't think for a moment that there was any disrespect meant Steve and certainly didn't take any. I didn't see it as taken out of context though, as it's in this thread and you said: "It is a fact that people download illegally,and i can see where Hooky is coming from, not sure i would have left that bit in the interview to be honest."
I simply replied with my reasons for leaving that part of the interview in.
I agree, I'd love to see the Freebass stuff released, but there's not alot we can do about it unfortunately. :(
The Man Up North wrote: Great work there Chris. Made me realized it was YEARS ago when I first talked to you about writing articles for this site! Wow...
Thanks Seb. Yes, it's nearly ten years ago now mate. Before NOOL even started! I remember those first few emails - none of us knowing what to expect, etc. I wondered what I'd got myself into at the time... still do on occasion!
I still think that you and Nic achieved something special and thanks to the two of you, I've met my girlfriend, alot of other good friends and shared in some great conversations and experiences. Thank you both for all of that.
RM wrote:
He says after censoring me about 24 mins ago.YOU WIN!
....this bit missed too I thought THIS was MUCH needed. If the PM and EMAIL links worked which have asked about on numerous occasions this could all have been done sneakily behind closed doors.The main reason i choose another account was the first one was blitzed.Like the fiasco where some waited a YEAR for Community 2 these problems were ignored.It is a good job we love a good disaster. Lovely site.
Well, censorship is one thing, but when something is asked to stay private and somebody post about it, it's something else.
But then again, if you hate everything we do, why do you bother :(
As for Community 2, there is a reason I closed the shop, I was sick and tired of having to deal with those issues of people not getting their order, I think WenOrder was overwhelmed with his baby and magazine and he couldn't handle it anymore, I have done all I could. If it makes you feel better, I still didn't receive my copies apart from the original ones I had and got signed by Hooky.
It's a hobby, you can't expect it to be perfect. If you knew how much time I spent working on that.
You could add something into the NOOL standards, but exactly how much attention / adherence does anyone pay to them and anyway they are only vaguely enforced at best.
It's not as if people are dumb either; the www is full of ripped music and it's not hidden too well.
Obviously NOOL can't promote wholesale ripping and linking of stuff that's for sale, but stuff that leaks around the sides like radio shows, concerts, remixes, etc... shouldn't be panicked over.
Anything that is a direct rip of a recently commercially availble track should be blocked.
The music industry has fundamentally changed and nothing can undo this.
Artists will in the future make money, although a lot less of it, primarily from live shows and value added releases (i.e. a DVD, Tshirt, cup, badges, Big poster, live performance, live ticker discount etc...) such as the Bad Lt. packages that are out there. The music itself will be more or less just the advert for this stuff. CDs still hold some attraction because of the quality of the sound, but the value added dimension is absolutely critical to sales.
Also, I doubt the well established artists such as NewOrder are living on the breadline, so although it's a shame, I'm sure they can tolerate the reduced levels of income and hell... all they have to do is a few reunion gigs and the tills will ring off the hook!
F.A.B.
Which badge did you give him, Chris?
Do you want some more for when you go and do Bernard?
S.O.T.
I understand Hooky's concerns, but I think the vast majority of people on here that download, still buy the official recording when it's available, quite a lot in all formats that are released and whatever imports, promos and limited editions they can get their hands on.
A lot of people here just want to hear the music as soon as possible, but prefer a good quality audio to listen to as soon as it's available. The main people who only download and never purchase music are kids that don't care about audio quality. we tend to be a fussy, but impatient bunch, but I'm sure He would hardly lose out from us.
A transcript will follow Vince - sometime this weekend.
Colin - the Vikings badge was one of the double circle "We Are FAC383" versions.
Transcript done and sent to Nic a few hours ago. It will probably be online in a day or so. If not, I can find a way to post it.
johnny wrote: Rocket Mick and Spotnick seem to be arguing about something though i'm not sure what.
Who ate all the promos
PS the comments you edited out were FUNNY Johnny 2 sheds
RM wrote:
johnny wrote: Rocket Mick and Spotnick seem to be arguing about something though i'm not sure what.
Sounds like comfort eating
JamesieMCR wrote: i got given one too.
cheers for that.
No probs James. Hope you wear it often!
RM wrote:
Spotnick wrote:
RM wrote: 3rd time lucky... You allowed the downloaded album to be discussed for several weeks and no action was taken.Home taping killing music!When a link to a iTunes only was made i was told this ain't cricket.It was a Protest and the downloaders have BOUGHT everything AVAILABLE to them.So the wise cracks from the INNER circle need to look a BIT closer to home.
It's a known fact I'm less present on this website, and also that Tim has major logging on issues I'm trying to resolve... I can't check everything.
I could probably add more moderators to filter content, IDK.. but will it change much? People will get the album one way or the other. Censorship has never been a good thing in history
He says after censoring me about 24 mins ago.YOU WIN!
The funny part is that, even after all this, you keep posting here many times a day... I guess it must not be all that bad after all?
In a way, you should be grateful because as far as I'm concerned, this website should have been closed two years ago. So enjoy while it lasts! :dead:
Quite a few people seemed to want this, so here's a download link for the transcript of my interview with Hooky. It's word-for-word, so you won't miss anything:
http://rapidshare.com/files/295119466/PH_Transcript.doc
It's in MS WORD format, so most people should be able to open the file - no unzipping or anything like that.
I hope that will help people who aren't used to British accents, don't speak English as their first language - or even those hard of hearing!
If you want to translate it into another language, please feel free to do so, but please credit NewOrderOnline if you do and let me know, as I'd love to see translations!
Hopefully Nic will get a chance to put the text online here at some point too.
Cheers all.
Chris Nash wrote: Transcript done and sent to Nic a few hours ago. It will probably be online in a day or so. If not, I can find a way to post it.
Hum, something went wrong because I didn't get it.
Spotnick wrote:
Chris Nash wrote: Transcript done and sent to Nic a few hours ago. It will probably be online in a day or so. If not, I can find a way to post it.
Hum, something went wrong because I didn't get it.
I'll re-send it to you now Nic
Nah it's all good... weird format though, you can't cut and paste it properly.
I exported it in PDF format and linked it on the top page of the site, so it's not text, but everybody support PDF, so here we go.
Chris Nash wrote: http://rapidshare.com/files/295119466/PH_Transcript.doc
Ah bugger,there's no free tunes on it!
MONTY wrote:
Chris Nash wrote: http://rapidshare.com/files/295119466/PH_Transcript.doc
Ah bugger,there's no free tunes on it!
thanks, man! here's the spanish translation i did for the spanish forum: http://www.neworderonline.com/Forums/MessageList.aspx?ThreadID=46761
Loving Hooky doesn't mean agreeing with him even when he's obviously wrong. He says himself he doesn't want his arse to be licked so here's my opinion: he's just dead wrong about the file sharing.
The fact a NewOrderOnline member can hear Stalingrad on their iPod before it's released means only it will keep his interest going and will do for the wait for the actual release, which will be certainly purchased.
I just think Hooky wants to catch up with the kids on the net but isn't really understanding what he's seeing.
All we need is someone to explain him how things are really going. I'm sure he will understand.
As I've written on the other thread:
Really nice interview BUT can you get in touch with Hooky please and tell him that it's fookin obvious that if anything gets shared here we'll all buy it once it's released?!
It seems he's not fully aware of that. He shouldn't really worry about that. This is not E fookin Mule, it's NewOrderOnline, and its members buy the fookin releases, end of the story.
It's just we can't wait to hear unreleased stuff, but once it's available, we buy it, that's all.
Actually Mick, I did mention that, specifically that although I've got alot of the NO live stuff on bootlegs, I'd still buy the CDs or DVDs if they were released, as would most other members.
I think the point was also (though not specifically said) that it's disappointing for a band to record something at a huge cost to themselves and have the expectation of a release ruined by internet leaks of what is, essentially, a poor quality copy, regardless of which ex-New Order member was involved.
I must admit, I've listened to "Stalingrad" but not tried to download it. I didn't even realise that it had been made available here.
Alejo - thanks for the Spanish translation - I'll have to give it a read now!
RM wrote:
johnny wrote: Rocket Mick and Spotnick seem to be arguing about something though i'm not sure what.
had that thing we were talking about confirmed last week Rocket. im not very happy about it either.
Get Ready for world war three!
Yes well that doesn't surprise me.I have been misunderstood and vilified for pointing out the obvious flaws of this site.The double standards or obvious discrepancies are being swept under the carpet.But Nic has explained himself well enough and i have to admit i have sympathy with him on this now.So i shall try to keep within the confines of HOOKy's desire and not upset the applecart here.I still enjoy the banter and the shaing OFFLINE.I shall continue to make BARNEY STE and HOOKY richer than I.I tried to change opinions but failed miserably.I am liking the new BL album now.MR NASH's interview is quite good under the circumstances and NIC and SEB deserve a lot of credit for putting up with nutters like me around here!But hell if you could have seen the Vikings the other night you would be Proud.Very decent when i met them sober.
PS i thought u were coming to Manchester for BL? 
Chris Nash wrote:
I think the point was also (though not specifically said) that it's disappointing for a band to record something at a huge cost to themselves and have the expectation of a release ruined by internet leaks of what is, essentially, a poor quality copy, regardless of which ex-New Order member was involved.
But ARE really these expectations ruined by leaks?! I don't think so. I'm talking about two very different things here. One thing is the loyal fan who wants to hear a tune before a release he will purchase. Another thing is the casual listener who downloads from E Mule and does not purchase, and he WILL download from E Mule, and it doesn't matter if he does it BEFORE or AFTER the release, either way Hooky won't see a penny, while he'll see our cash, whether we download it before or after. Actually leaks can even help sales. For example I've discovered a great new band called Exit Calm and all I could buy now is a single. On their forum many demo and unreleased live tracks have been shared and if I wasn't really sure about them after hearing what's officially available now I can't wait to buy their album (and I've even made a video for a bootleg track, see below). When I pre-ordered NCAT I wasn't sure what I was going to buy, after hearing the leaked copy I was very happy I was going to receive it in my mail box.
RM wrote: Yes well that doesn't surprise me. PS
Still sunning misel in Gran Canaria snd dont get back till just before the gig,lans at east midlands too :(
Chris Nash wrote: Transcript done and sent to Nic a few hours ago. It will probably be online in a day or so. If not, I can find a way to post it.
Chris, Thanks again! :) Just downloaded the pdf...
Chris, great interview, thought the double wammy of noise and accent made it a bit harder... the transcript worked well... but it needs to be translated into American... hard to understand anything if it doesn't have the words "awesome" "dude" "bitch" etc. in them
As for the download of Freebass stuff... I think its a silly arguement. The people here would purchase it, and I hate to say it... but really, who else is going to buy the side projects? They are all going to be die hard fans of Hooky, Rourke, etc. not 13 year old kids, or some housewife in Torrance.
I suppose there is a chance FB or BL could have a hit single to hit the charts... but how many side projects have ever really done that?
EdelBrock wrote:
I suppose there is a chance FB or BL could have a hit single to hit the charts... but how many side projects have ever really done that?
Electronic and Monaco...
im not sure about who cares about getting in the charts.
its a nice gig but ultimately meaningless.
i think it's more important is to carry on with what you do, and have respect for yourself regardless.
