Factory Opening

FAC251

Urrgh...let it go. Move on.

I think this will be a good thing.

I'm hoping (and I accept this is the big burly man of hope kicking sand into poor Mr Experience's face) that this will be a decent nightclub that does gigs.

If it's a yellow-and-black-striped cavern of a place with a crap sound system playing Voodoo Ray over and over again I won't get upset, but I doubt I'll be visiting a lot.

Fac251d has already been allocated to Steve and Gillian "Loved it (the new factory)" in 1990. if yer gonna pillage your past , do it right.

FAC251

Our house number is 1051, if A=1, B=2, etc then F+A+C=10. So we live at FAC51. No yellow and black anywhere.

Will Cath Caroll play there and do Moves Like You?

James Thomas wrote: Our house number is 1051, if A=1, B=2, etc then F+A+C=10. So we live at FAC51. No yellow and black anywhere.

Hey i like that James, good spot geek, whats 61 then, i carnt be arsed

Easy, 61= 10 + 51, FAC+51

johnny wrote: Will Cath Caroll play there and do Moves Like You?

She'd need to be very drunk to move like me

It appears Factory is invincible. Will it be impressive or embarrassing this time?

You can never have too many INDIE bars! Great news,can we expect a Hooky grand opening???

I think this is poor, Manchester seems to on a big nostalgia trip these days. Its turning into Liverpool... Get over it and move on!!

I'm surprised at how many negative posts are about this, I think its fantastic news. There are so many run of the mill nightclubs that play crap music, if theres a new one that plays decent music then I am all for it.

What is wrong with holding onto the past and embracing the future at the same time? Im sure this will be a great club which plays a good mix of classics and good contemporary music.

I guess we will have to wait and see!

Biginoil wrote: I'm hoping (and I accept this is the big burly man of hope kicking sand into poor Mr Experience's face) that this will be a decent nightclub that does gigs.

If it's a yellow-and-black-striped cavern of a place with a crap sound system playing Voodoo Ray over and over again I won't get upset, but I doubt I'll be visiting a lot.

They should play "Something Good" by Utah Saints over and over.

Opens end Jan. Who's up for trying to crash the opening?

Biginoil wrote: Opens end Jan. Who's up for trying to crash the opening?

Here's an idea Colin, might be a strange one to grasp but it'll all make sense at some point.

Why dont you just go to one of many venues in Manchester which does live music and a "nightclub"? Two weeks ago, when i was in Manchester, I managed to go to two of these venues on the same night! I saw Lost Knives and Detroit Social Club in Ruby Lounge, in between these bands i saw Air Cav at Cross Street Unitarian Chapel, and after all this I went to Retro to watch some band who was on downstairs, and they had some kind of club night on there. Although me and John decided to go back upstairs.

Ultimately Colin, are you really interested in seeing any new bands? Its not like Freebass or the next Johnny Marr wank fest are going to be playing this place any time soon, is it? You only want to go because of the Factory name and the Peter Hook association. You will probably have absolutely no interest in any of the bands who are playing, and if you do watch them, you will probably just call them shit unless someone who you like tells you differently.

Chris, Joys are playing the Ruby Lounge on their next tour. Its unlikely (but not impossible, I guess) that they will play this venue. Their schedule is rammed.

I take it you're not coming then Liam??

Everyoneverywhere wrote: I'm surprised at how many negative posts are about this, I think its fantastic news. There are so many run of the mill nightclubs that play crap music, if theres a new one that plays decent music then I am all for it.

What is wrong with holding onto the past and embracing the future at the same time? Im sure this will be a great club which plays a good mix of classics and good contemporary music.

I guess we will have to wait and see!

This is complete nonsense.

There are so many places that play decent music! If you want to hold onto the past then either get yourself down to one of the seemingly weekly Hacienda reunion nights that happen across Manchester.

What makes you think this will be anything different than an overpriced 5th Av with the ocassional band on? There are hundreds of venues across Manchester catering for all kinds of tastes, plus a ton of gig venues. Does the city really need another one, especially one so grounded in the past?

After a dodgy couple of years, music in Manchester is starting to thrive again. Air Cav, The Longcut, Daniel Land and the Modern Painters, Jo Rose, etc. All fantastic bands/artists. But whats gets the attention. Oh yeah, a bunch of has beens harking back to the past. What a complete joke.

Old Lead Foot wrote: I take it you're not coming then Liam??

From what I understand, there may be stuff I will be interested in. But I certainly wont be at any of the overpriced, half arsed, harking back to the good old days nonsense that most people will be attracted to.

bloody hell liam your praising the longcut,i remember you calling them 'pointless noise' a couple of years ago! glad you've changed your mind,open hearts is the album of last year by a country mile and they're fantastic live i must've seen them 50+ times

as for the club i think it'll be worth keeping an eye on as a live venue

Glad someone is paying attention...

Some of the early longcut gigs were for me torturous. The first album was very hit and miss (although Tried and Tested Method easily one of the best songs of the last decade). But, as you say. second album is a corker.

Liam, I'm not really sure what I did to deserve any of that, or what this project has done to upset you so much.

You're quite right that the Factory connections interest me, but thanks for pointing that out to everyone. This is a New Order site, people come on here because most of them share an interest in this sort of thing. Why would they come here if they weren't? Perhaps you could answer that.

People are putting these Hacienda revival nights on because, as I understand it, they are popular and they make money and they make people happy.

This new club is using the Factory connection for a bit of extra publicity and face it, it needs all the help it can get in the present economic climate. And at least the Factory connection is real, not like most of the clubs and venues around the world that plaster a bit of hazard warning tape around their flyers and hope that people will make a connection.

In fact, people will probably be interested to see this place as much because it was a pretty good nightclub for a few years after Factory moved out.

Congratulations on all of your nights out, that's a great achievement. The fact that I will probably not see your pissed-up, obnoxious face at Hooky's club is probably a bigger draw than the maple floorboards.

Biginoil wrote: or what this project has done to upset you so much.

Here you go

The Teacher wrote: After a dodgy couple of years, music in Manchester is starting to thrive again. Air Cav, The Longcut, Daniel Land and the Modern Painters, Jo Rose, etc. All fantastic bands/artists. But whats gets the attention. Oh yeah, a bunch of has beens harking back to the past. What a complete joke.

If people are deluded enough to think this wont be an overpriced shithole, then fine. Of course, I would be most in favour of the opening night lineup being exactly the same as the Monaco gig at the Ritz in 2007, because you would expect the same derisory amount of people to attend (or less, because I wont be there, nor would at least two other people I know).

Even if the Factory connection is genuine, (which, I suppose it is, but its very weak) it still doesnt stop the venue from overcharging people to hear stuff which was in vogue 20+ years ago. And thinking about it, does the official tag really make that much of a difference? No, of course not. We all know about Hooky's DJ-ing skills, (or lack thereof). What the official tago does add is a premium, people are being sold the factory name and a 'genuine' link. And people will be charged for that? Furthermore, we've all been to a ton of 'unofficial' nights, does it really make that much of a difference? Apart from the fact that (some of) your money is going to someone who is currently charging £18 to hear them talk?

Liam- although you might be right in some of the things you are saying you have to remember that there are many 30-40 somethings with families who don't have the time/ wherewithal to listen to, or indeed get out to see these fantastic new bands. Seeing/ hearing old favourites at least guarantees a decent night out unlike the roulette of seeing a new band.

you should get that shoulder looked at Liam, that chip is becoming cavernous. I suppose i should take note of your ever all-encompasing opinion, as it's always right, and never should be questioned as incorrect, why should anyone doubt you listen to better music than everybody else, you're Liam after all. I'm sure you're views on pricing at the new club are based on thorough research, having frequented it for some time, and observed all it has to offer clubbers and performers eh? or are you quite happy paying a fiver for a can of red stripe in night and day, as they cram 5 bands onto the stage, with an engineer running the P.A. who REALLY doesnt like ANYBODY, all because Guy Garvey bought a cup of coffe there once.

the teacher wrote£18 to hear him talk.

But never speak.

thats the price of love, how long will it last

The Teacher wrote:

Everyoneverywhere wrote: I'm surprised at how many negative posts are about this, I think its fantastic news. There are so many run of the mill nightclubs that play crap music, if theres a new one that plays decent music then I am all for it.

What is wrong with holding onto the past and embracing the future at the same time? Im sure this will be a great club which plays a good mix of classics and good contemporary music.

I guess we will have to wait and see!

This is complete nonsense.

There are so many places that play decent music! If you want to hold onto the past then either get yourself down to one of the seemingly weekly Hacienda reunion nights that happen across Manchester.

What makes you think this will be anything different than an overpriced 5th Av with the ocassional band on? There are hundreds of venues across Manchester catering for all kinds of tastes, plus a ton of gig venues. Does the city really need another one, especially one so grounded in the past?

After a dodgy couple of years, music in Manchester is starting to thrive again. Air Cav, The Longcut, Daniel Land and the Modern Painters, Jo Rose, etc. All fantastic bands/artists. But whats gets the attention. Oh yeah, a bunch of has beens harking back to the past. What a complete joke.

What is wrong with playing some good indie classics along with new bands? It almost sounds like you are ashamed of Manchesters glory days.

The Factory era is a celebration, long may it continue!

Looking at the photos in the Facebook group, shithole isn't one of the words that sprung to mind.

The Teacher wrote: Its not like Freebass or the next Johnny Marr wank fest are going to be playing this place any time soon, is it?

People who think they know everything

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote:

The Teacher wrote: Its not like Freebass or the next Johnny Marr wank fest are going to be playing this place any time soon, is it?

People who think they know everything

Whats even funnier Jack is that you've been coming on the board for years now, making various implied comments that Freebass are going to do this, do that, do the other, and it never, ever happens.

I presume this is a tacit gig announcement? I dont see what else it could be.

But I'll tell you what. £20 to Cancer Research says Freebass or the next band Johnny Marr joins doesnt play this venue by 31st December 2010.

That'll be £20 more than you gave to the Oxjam gig that you blagged into, you so readily slag off an a regular basis

S'alright OLF, I bought a ticket and didn't go on account of an accident with some acid.

Biginoil wrote: Opens end Jan. Who's up for trying to crash the opening?

I might be Col,(seeing as the plastic huns not going to be there )

Keep me in mind mate

What this really is, is a chance for Hooky to cash in, which is more than fair enough seeing how much money NO lost over Factory / Hacienda in the past.

If anyone feels this is an affront to human decency then the answer is simple; don't go.

Shug wrote: Cannae see an opening date on the site or the Facebook group, tis ma birthday on the 19th and I have a week aff work. GET FUCKING IN THERE. Hopefully it opens that week and I will blag ma way up to meet up with some of the usual suspects. I believe it's GaryMac's round, then Rocket's, then Col's......

Opening night "supposed" to be 29th jan all being well wee shuglet

Biginoil wrote,," had an accident with acid"

Read a similar story about a yankee baseball player who thinking he had a day off took a tab of LSD was then told ,, m8 youve got a game today,, man at one stage i thought i was pitching to Jimi Hendrix,, didt do many straight homes by all accounts.

like crystal

FAC 251 are recruiting bar staff/promoters/dj's doing club nights tomorrow from 4-6pm at JOSHUA BROOKS and also next Weds.

hmmm........

Nice album covers

Ok all... when liam gets stuck he sure draws attention:

Dangit... I go back home on the 16th so I'll probably miss it.

Paradise Factory was there for quite a few years, which was a club. It started off as a strictly gay club but became progressively less so.

It has been empty for the last few years except for 6 months where The Warehouse Project took it over and ran a series of nights.

Yup, as Johnny James said, it was a club as recently as recently as a couple of years ago - a couple of mates went the day before that Hacienda Warehouse Party under the railway station.

So, as usual, the NME has got it completely wrong!

I'm a bit gutted I can't make this. I was also supposed to be going to see Hooky DJ at Bar Bliss in Leigh that night, but now I can't do any. :(

I can't see H DJing anywhere on the opening night of his new club?

Where can we get tickets, anyway?

Hold tight.... news very soon.

El Jarvo wrote:

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote: Hold tight.... news very soon.

I think you'll find everyone already knows, young man.

Well judging by the fact that people seem to be confused about tickets for the opening night etc it would seem that not everybody does :\ohwell:

Biginoil wrote: I can't see H DJing anywhere on the opening night of his new club?

Where can we get tickets, anyway?

I was surprised too. I got invited to the Leigh event a couple of months ago, so I suppose he might have cancelled. But there are other DJ's to cover at the Factory night so maybe he'll hotfoot it over to guest in Leigh and be back before the end (he does drive fast afterall)

Really don't think he is playing Leigh on the 29th.

El Jarvo wrote:

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote: Hold tight.... news very soon.

I think you'll find everyone already knows, young man.

Well judging by the fact that people seem to be confused about tickets for the opening night etc it would seem that not everybody does :\ohwell:

They're the sorta people who are genuinely confused about most things in life though.

Eh?

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote: Hold tight.... news very soon.

Ooh will there be any BASS and will it be FREE?

Anyone coming then?? ROLL CALL!!!

MONTY wrote:

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote: Hold tight.... news very soon.

Ooh will there be any BASS and will it be FREE?

Anyone coming then?? ROLL CALL!!!

Is the band going to be called Stiff Kittens?

Burt Burterson wrote:

MONTY wrote:

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote: Hold tight.... news very soon.

Ooh will there be any BASS and will it be FREE?

Anyone coming then?? ROLL CALL!!!

I've never heard of a band called Hairy Cunt,do they play indie?

Bit on BBC website on opening -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8456786.stm

Tim

Another piece that neglects to mention that the building operated very successfully as the Paradise Factory for several years. I had some belting times in there, none of which I remember very well.

but when can we get tickets?

hibster wrote: but when can we get tickets?

Hope you haven't already bought train tickets?

If so, you might want to try and get it changed... :)

In simple Queens ingerlish.. whos on doing what, carn't be arsed with riddles. i.e. is it worth turning out for

is there any chance Bad Loo will play there?

Wooops bad news,it's been put back a week to Feb 5th.

Bad news??? That's FACin brilliant news!

I can go, I can go, I can go!!!

YEA!!!!

There's a film about the building project on their Facebook page.

It's looking good and can only be a good thing for Manchester.

However, they don't half go on about all 'the history' within these walls when Factory was located here (for all of three years when the label was a bit shit), and turning an office building into a club etc.

Well, it WAS a club for around ten years as Paradise Factory.

Short memories.

I can't believe they've put back the opening so that Hooky can DJ in Leigh. Where is Leigh, anyway?

I have booked my flights from Weeze to Birmingham and the train from Birmingham to Manchester and return.

Biginoil wrote:

Good reminder for looking after your camera at the hamburg lost & found. No, there isn't a Panasonic camera with dirty pics.

Any news on ticket availability?

Press launch tomorrow morning should reveal all.

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote: Press launch tomorrow morning should reveal all.

I wonder which roving reporter,complete with dictaphone in hand,will be going to that then

edit: that doesn't sound good does it

note to everyone - if buying tickets on line make sure you select the right city

hope this helps

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote:

I hope that is supposed to be sarcasm, as in Bernard Manning opening The Hacienda.

Wasn't supposed to be anything... just messing about with this...

http://www.andybarefoot.com/politics/cameron.php

Make your own poster.

You had me worried there!

Chris Nash wrote: Howard Marks

What? THE Howard Marks (Mr Nice)????

Chris Nash wrote:

Missy Jem wrote:

Chris Nash wrote: Howard Marks

What? THE Howard Marks (Mr Nice)????

Keeeewwwwwl

So anyone going to bother giving reasons as to why Freebass arent playing at this?

Andy Rourke got a DJ set in Tranmere?

Steve, you say on your site quite clearly that Freebass are making their live debut at this event. Thats clearly not the case. So why make the claim?

I've also recieved various texts and seen various things on Facebook about Freebass playing. Yet its not happening is it? Why were things like this spread?

It does seem to be the biggest ego trip I've seen in quite some time."Peter Hooks The Light" Well, we know who the star of the show is, dont we? Playing a selection of songs from his back catalogue. Well, seems to me the opening night of the club is exactly what i said this club is going to be about. Its going to be about the old crew harking back to the good old days. And weekly Hacienda nights? On what night? A Saturday. Yep, really doing a good job there for new and upcoming musicians there.

ETA: Here is a link to Steve's website, where it explicity states that Freebass will be making their live debut on this night.

By the way, any mention on cost of this yet? For what effectively is a tribute band, I bet its expensive.

The Teacher wrote: So anyone going to bother giving reasons as to why Freebass arent playing at this?

Andy Rourke got a DJ set in Tranmere?

Steve, you say on your site quite clearly that Freebass are making their live debut at this event. Thats clearly not the case. So why make the claim?

I've also recieved various texts and seen various things on Facebook about Freebass playing. Yet its not happening is it? Why were things like this spread?

It does seem to be the biggest ego trip I've seen in quite some time."Peter Hooks The Light" Well, we know who the star of the show is, dont we? Playing a selection of songs from his back catalogue. Well, seems to me the opening night of the club is exactly what i said this club is going to be about. Its going to be about the old crew harking back to the good old days. And weekly Hacienda nights? On what night? A Saturday. Yep, really doing a good job there for new and upcoming musicians there.

ETA: Here is a link to Steve's website, where it explicity states that Freebass will be making their live debut on this night.

By the way, any mention on cost of this yet? For what effectively is a tribute band, I bet its expensive.

Why not just say "I don't fancy this much, but you lot go ahead, each to their own" or do teachers not bother with tolerance, opinion and diversity?

I bet you'd rather go see David Cameron and the feltchers

Well, considering the last time I saw Hooky do a gig like this, it was without question the very worst gig I have ever seen, I probably would go and see David Cameron and the Feltchers.

But anyway, this is supposed to be a forum for debate. I am raising perfectly valid criticisms of this night and concept. Teachers also encourage debate, just in case you didnt know.

Its now been five years since Freebass was announced, and this is what is being produced? Its really quite pathetic.

Why don't you pop along and see if it is pathetic?

It might be a good night out from the line up...

It could be fun!

The Teacher wrote: Well, considering the last time I saw Hooky do a gig like this, it was without question the very worst gig I have ever seen, I probably would go and see David Cameron and the Feltchers.

But anyway, this is supposed to be a forum for debate. I am raising perfectly valid criticisms of this night and concept. Teachers also encourage debate, just in case you didnt know.

Its now been five years since Freebass was announced, and this is what is being produced? Its really quite pathetic.

Well you're entitled to your opinion

... but your opinion is shit! (C)

Liam, I can't remember the last time you said anything positive, about anything! It can be pretty draining. You were in nappies when the Hac was in it's heydey and I'm sure this might have a little to do with your opinion of anything Factory/Hacienda related.

If you don't like it, fine. But coming on here sneering about it all the time is beginning to piss me off.

Oh and we're all fully aware you're a teacher - don't worry.

Missy Jem wrote:

The Teacher wrote: Well, considering the last time I saw Hooky do a gig like this, it was without question the very worst gig I have ever seen, I probably would go and see David Cameron and the Feltchers.

But anyway, this is supposed to be a forum for debate. I am raising perfectly valid criticisms of this night and concept. Teachers also encourage debate, just in case you didnt know.

Its now been five years since Freebass was announced, and this is what is being produced? Its really quite pathetic.

Well you're entitled to your opinion

... but your opinion is shit! (C)

Liam, I can't remember the last time you said anything positive, about anything! It can be pretty draining. You were in nappies when the Hac was in it's heydey and I'm sure this might have a little to do with your opinion of anything Factory/Hacienda related.

If you don't like it, fine. But coming on here sneering about it all the time is beginning to piss me off.

Oh and we're all fully aware you're a teacher - don't worry.

Why is my opinion shit? Because you dont agree with it? Or because it doesnt tow the line that the rest of the board wants? Common opinion once held that the Earth was flat, yet did the guy who first theorised that the Earth was spherical have a shit opinion?

And what does my age have to do with anything?

My negative opinion of msot things Factory based are because it has become everything that it was set up to opppose. Almost Animal Farm like, if you will. I'm sure the original factory was about giving new bands and artists the opportunity that no one else would give. Or am I wrong about that and it was in fact about harking back to the old days with one member of a band playing songs from his old bands back catalogue?

Seems like Hooky is turning in Manchesters version of Mike Love.

The Teacher wrote:

Missy Jem wrote:

The Teacher wrote: Well, considering the last time I saw Hooky do a gig like this, it was without question the very worst gig I have ever seen, I probably would go and see David Cameron and the Feltchers.

But anyway, this is supposed to be a forum for debate. I am raising perfectly valid criticisms of this night and concept. Teachers also encourage debate, just in case you didnt know.

Its now been five years since Freebass was announced, and this is what is being produced? Its really quite pathetic.

Well you're entitled to your opinion

... but your opinion is shit! (C)

Liam, I can't remember the last time you said anything positive, about anything! It can be pretty draining. You were in nappies when the Hac was in it's heydey and I'm sure this might have a little to do with your opinion of anything Factory/Hacienda related.

If you don't like it, fine. But coming on here sneering about it all the time is beginning to piss me off.

Oh and we're all fully aware you're a teacher - don't worry.

Why is my opinion shit? Because you dont agree with it? Or because it doesnt tow the line that the rest of the board wants? Common opinion once held that the Earth was flat, yet did the guy who first theorised that the Earth was spherical have a shit opinion?

And what does my age have to do with anything?

My negative opinion of msot things Factory based are because it has become everything that it was set up to opppose. Almost Animal Farm like, if you will. I'm sure the original factory was about giving new bands and artists the opportunity that no one else would give. Or am I wrong about that and it was in fact about harking back to the old days with one member of a band playing songs from his old bands back catalogue?

Seems like Hooky is turning in Manchesters version of Mike Love.

I wouldn't say anybody's opinion is shit just because it goes against what I think, that was a (supposedly humorous) reference to the TW book!

But you are so negative about anything Factory related. Why do you care if some of us are looking forward to this? You always feel the need to rain on the parade, so to speak.

You don't want to give Freebass a chance, or the club, but this project is all about showcasing bands as well. Is that shit too?

You refused to see Bad Lieutenant at Christmas, when you had a ticket, and all of us were going in. I don't understand that mentality. At least watch them live before declaring them shit. I'd have a bit more respect for your opinion then.

I didnt watch Bad Lieutenant because:

1. I wanted to wait to the last minute to get a ticket because of the fucks up with my original

2. I went to meet Deano, who I hadnt seen in ages

3. I think the album is shit!

Jemma, this project is not about new bands. This is about another money spinner for the old boys. Weekly Hacienda nights? On a Saturday? Look at the name, look at the the opening nights. This isnt about the present. This is about the past, and making a(nother) quick buck out of it.

Right that's it.

I'm making popcorn.

Chris Nash wrote: Dear Liam,

I presume you missed all the publicity and elicitations from the Factory staff, encouraging unsigned bands to send in demo tapes and submit the URLs to their websites/Myspace pages.

The result of this was that hundreds of new and exciting bands are now on the roster to play at The Factory, giving them a higher profile than they might otherwise have had, so your supposition that the original Factory ethos isn't being followed is incorrect.

The reason that Freebass are not playing is because it's a night to celebrate the opening of the club, not to showcase one band, but members of many, past and present.

Freebass will play when they're ready - whether you appreciate the wait or not. As people have said, if you're not interested, you don't have to go.

I respect your opinions - as opinions can never really be wrong - I may well disagree with them though.

As for re-hashing the past, etc. I'd suggest that most people would use past success to promote a new venture on which many people are relying - for jobs, interest, good nights out, etc.

You are, of course too young to have seen "The Factory All Stars" at the original Hacienda - something which you seem to have missed in your criticism of the event - A celebration, rather than a money-making exercise.

For the record, the ticket price is very reasonable for a launch night - far less than one would pay for the average gig.

Yours sincerely,

Dr. C. A. Nash PhD.

(I rarely use my correct title)

p.s. Mr. "Teacher" - the correct phrase is "TOE the line" - not "Tow" - a common misconception among the less well educated.

I didnt miss the publicity. To be fair, it was quite hard too. But the fact is, if there are bands nights (which I know there are) they are being hidden away on a weeknight. They are not put at the centre of this project. No, centre stage belongs to the old boys, proof of that is the weekly old school Hacienda nights. Saturday is the big night, and look whats going on then.

Your points about Freebass dont really answer any of my points I raised earlier. Why was it spread, and allowed to be spread, that Freebass were playing? Have you forgotten thats its been nearly (in fact, it might be over, but Freebass were announced in the run up to Sirens Call) five years since this project was announced? Bit of a piss take surely, what with the seemingly never ending blogs, interviews etc about it all?

I find it amazing that you are naive enough to believe that this is about celebrating bands past and present? Unless you truly believe Freebass (five years, and counting) as a contemporary band? No, its an ego trip, showing precisely whon is going to get centre stage at this venue.

And I dont think the Factory All Stars argument is relevant, because guess what? That was also in the past!

And for a covers band, in Manchester, I'd expect to pay no more than a fiver. Bet its more than that. Double figures at least.

Nick King wrote:

I made a brew and lit a fag.

Canadia wrote:

Nick King wrote:

I made a brew and lit a fag.

Likewise!

Liam, your whole approach to this is like a drunken 6th form conversation. If you're that interested in new bands why aren't you a promoter? Why haven't you got a night at some small music venue where you can put on shite bands that a handful of people want to go and see? Why aren't you in a band?

Like everything else in life it's supply and demand - if enough people want to cough up some brass to go have a good night out with friends, being entertained, being reminded of their youth then what the hell is wrong with that?

If you don't like it do something about it.

Jack, like the poster but the tory twat was a Smiths fan. Bit of a theme there.

Chris Nash wrote:

The reason that Freebass are not playing

No it's because they do not exist as a known live act.

James Thomas wrote: Liam, your whole approach to this is like a drunken 6th form conversation. If you're that interested in new bands why aren't you a promoter? Why haven't you got a night at some small music venue where you can put on shite bands that a handful of people want to go and see? Why aren't you in a band?

Like everything else in life it's supply and demand - if enough people want to cough up some brass to go have a good night out with friends, being entertained, being reminded of their youth then what the hell is wrong with that?

If you don't like it do something about it.

Jack, like the poster but the tory twat was a Smiths fan. Bit of a theme there.

Can put on shite bands that a handful of people want to go and see? How in the name of all thats holy is any band going to get anywhere if people take that kind of attitude?

And the reason I dont have a night is because, well, I dont have the time. Maybe I did a few years ago, but certainly not. But I do get about a fair bit, not as much as I used to I admit, checking out new bands. And a lot of the time, its quite sad to see a great band playing to hardly anybody, because people have the attitude that they are playing in a small venue so they must be shite.

And the same old argument you've been wheeling out for years, i.e. that I'm a Smiths fan and a Tory is really tiresome, not to mention irrelevant.

The Teacher wrote:

And the reason I dont have a night is because, well, I dont have the time. Maybe I did a few years ago, but certainly not.

Hang on, you're single, well paid, have every weekend off, don't start early, finish before half three every day and get thirteen weeks holiday a year. Do you want to rephrase that?

Chris Nash wrote:

Burt Burterson wrote:

Chris Nash wrote:

The reason that Freebass are not playing

No it's because they do not exist as a known live act.

They're already better known than many acts, live or otherwise.

The night would probably attract even more interest if it was the first ever Freebass gig.

Very ineffectual attempt at an "argument" Bert.

Did you make a mistake in quoting me? I was just giggling about the fact that the quote makes no sense when presented completely out of context

No it's because I couldn't be arsed quoting the rest of it, as it sounded like it had been written by Hooky's press officer or someone with a tongue up his arse.

By the way.. I saw the Dr Nash bit earlier. What went wrong?

Nick King wrote:

I'll join you Better late than never

The Teacher wrote:

Steve, you say on your site quite clearly that Freebass are making their live debut at this event. Thats clearly not the case. So why make the claim?

ETA: Here is a link to Steve's website, where it explicity states that Freebass will be making their live debut on this night.

You Know something Liam,for once i actually agree with you

The information was reasonably correct,but alas whilst trying to juggle 4 different web based social networking mediums,a web site and blog site,fielding none stop phone calls from excited Fans and hastily copying and pasting information that i recieved ,admittedly,i did miss omit one crucial word.

I would like to thank you personally for pointing out my foolishness and i can assure you it will not happen again.

The mistake has now been corrected.

steven smith E -

P.s do i skip detention now?

Oh Liam

James Thomas wrote:

The Teacher wrote:

And the reason I dont have a night is because, well, I dont have the time. Maybe I did a few years ago, but certainly not.

Hang on, you're single, well paid, have every weekend off, don't start early, finish before half three every day and get thirteen weeks holiday a year. Do you want to rephrase that?

MTL

Fucking glory hunters, find your own cunt to hate.

I wouldn't miss this for the world.

This time.

someone please correct me if I'm wrong, I know somebody will, but is this not a "fan site" for "fans" of new order and related acts???, I do apologise if this thought is misguided. I happen to know one of the members pretty well, fairly nice fella once you get to know him, and he's going back into the nightclub buisness with a new venture called factory 251 or something. we will be playing some songs on stage with a few freinds for a bit of a laugh, y'know, a bit of fun for entertainment, and seeing as its his club, we thought it would be nice to play some of his tunes, some old , some new, because the people who would most likley be coming, would be fans of the music he, and others, have done over the years, so they can sing along like. its a licenced club, so apart from a couple of people, I'm sure there will be a few that will be a little merry, myself included, hoping to have a good time. if anybody here would like to come along, then details of the event will be made public tomorrow. hope to see some freindly faces ta paul

p.s. nobody is obliged to come, if you don't want to, you don't have to, sorry to have bothered you.....sorry, ta.

Old Lead Foot wrote: someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm sorry, but you are quite wrong.

The Teacher wrote:

James Thomas wrote:

The Teacher wrote:

And the reason I dont have a night is because, well, I dont have the time. Maybe I did a few years ago, but certainly not.

Hang on, you're single, well paid, have every weekend off, don't start early, finish before half three every day and get thirteen weeks holiday a year. Do you want to rephrase that?

MTL

oh Liam, Liam, Liam... one day the little boy will grow into a man, and when he does, he'll look back upon his past and state, "What an ass I made outta myself on a consistent basis"...

Go , wander round a bit, buy a drink, think ,I remember in here when it was quite good in 1995. buy another drink, try to tell an asymetrically haircutted young lady how you used to goto the hacienda etc, get blank 'duuuh yer wierdo' stare, realise you're old enough to be her dad, leave.

pure_shaw wrote: Go , wander round a bit, buy a drink, think ,I remember in here when it was quite good in 1995. buy another drink, try to tell an asymetrically haircutted young lady how you used to goto the hacienda etc, get blank 'duuuh yer wierdo' stare, realise you're old enough to be her dad, leave.

Sounds like a plan! I'm in!

Chris Nash wrote: Better get on that course quick Liam... it's supposed to raise standards in teaching

I shall refrain from saying anything personal.

However, to counter your previous point about this wanting to be about the club night and not Freebass, surely if this project was about new bands and new music, then why couldnt you have Freebass play? The connection to the past would be there, but in a contemporary form? But no, it'll just be another hark back to the good old days.

Anyway, I eagerly anticipate today's announcement...

There's a new video on the webpage http://factorymanchester.squarespace.com/blog/2010/1/21/video-diary-episode-2.html

You get a glimpse of an email which gives ticket details for the 5th.

Someone's got to pay for Kelly's big glass screen, I suppose!

The Teacher wrote: Well, considering the last time I saw Hooky do a gig like this, it was without question the very worst gig I have ever seen, I probably would go and see David Cameron and the Feltchers.

But anyway, this is supposed to be a forum for debate. I am raising perfectly valid criticisms of this night and concept. Teachers also encourage debate, just in case you didnt know.

Its now been five years since Freebass was announced, and this is what is being produced? Its really quite pathetic.

This isn't a debating forum, it's a forum for fans of New Order and their related side projects, to pass on information and news. You have no information or news other than you don't agree, we've heard this now, you don't need to continue.

Right, who wantsa da tickets?

4 please

Okay stand there, I get for you.

Anyone else?

2 please! Or send me the link if you can...

Missy Jem wrote: 2 please! Or send me the link if you can...

Asked your Question jems and Hooky says f**k off!

I wouldn't have expected any other answer

Pablo Bastardo wrote: Right, who wantsa da tickets?

Would love tickets :)

You can bring who you want.

But no setting fire to zee beds, okay?

Any news from the press conference today?

El Jarvo wrote:

confusion wrote: Any news from the press conference today?

Yes.

Apparently, Chris is a Doctor.

Steveo's started posting again and isn't flouncing anymore.

Col's just downloaded the complete series of Comic Strip Presents.

Pure Shaw likes 'em young.

Everyone. Likes. Popcorn.

All this, and more, in your daily slice of NOOL.

(Anyone know what 'MTL' stands for though?)

Thanks for the summary

Most likely Masters in Teaching and Learning

Tucker wrote: Peter Hook to 'help struggling bands' with his new club FAC251.

From NME.

it's all lies i tell you, they wont do anything to help up and coming bands that nme have told me to go and watch, its just going to play rubbish housey housey music from AGES ago, what has he ever done for us eh?

Old Lead Foot wrote:

Tucker wrote: Peter Hook to 'help struggling bands' with his new club FAC251.

From NME.

it's all lies i tell you, they wont do anything to help up and coming bands that nme have told me to go and watch, its just going to play rubbish housey housey music from AGES ago, what has he ever done for us eh?

He's just on the make, grabbing all the money he can, just like he did with the hacienda!

So what was todays "big announcement"?

The Teacher wrote: So what was todays "big announcement"?

Don't you have some MLT'ing to do?

El Jarvo wrote:

(Anyone know what 'MTL' stands for though?)

i figured it was make time later

hibster wrote: figured

Jesus.

It's LJ NOT JT

Liam, you are not the only person who teaches on here. The key to teaching (in my opinion) is personality, love of kids, passion of what you do and the decency to state that we are well paid, get ace hols and have loads of time off compared to others. Only then, will people take any ounce of the shite that you spout seriously. You are not special because you are a teacher, shut the fuck up for a change, we are bored now.

Shug wrote: Can anyone possibly guarantee me a ticket or 4 for the Corby Order?

Please?

No.

Hope this helps.

Here's a scan of the latest flyer. No info about the opening night but an idea of what's going to happen every week:

The info about the opening night,tickets etc, and further annoncements,should be on the Factory website soon.

http://factorymanchester.com

A ticket link for Peter Hook's The Light will be emailed to subscribers to FAC 251 The Factory's website and their facebook groups over the next few days.

As tickets are very limited for the opening night and priced at £22.50, demands will be fierce.

First ever post here and probably the last. Spent 10 minutes reading some of your posts.

What a bunch of complete and utter weird tossers most of you are.

If you like New Order, Bad Lieutenant, Hooky, ttc. just go to the gigs, buy the CDs rather than steal them from the internet and just ENJOY THE MUSIC.

Go out, have a beer, get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ian Edwards wrote: First ever post here and probably the last. Spent 10 minutes reading some of your posts.

What a bunch of complete and utter weird tossers most of you are.

If you like New Order, Bad Lieutenant, Hooky, ttc. just go to the gigs, buy the CDs rather than steal them from the internet and just ENJOY THE MUSIC.

Go out, have a beer, get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Charming...

Ian Edwards wrote: First ever post here and probably the last. Spent 10 minutes reading some of your posts.

What a bunch of complete and utter weird tossers most of you are.

If you like New Order, Bad Lieutenant, Hooky, ttc. just go to the gigs, buy the CDs rather than steal them from the internet and just ENJOY THE MUSIC.

Go out, have a beer, get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!!

knobhead!

what gigs?

Ian Edwards wrote: First ever post here and probably the last.

BYE! :moon:

BTW all CD's, DVD's, VHS, Tapes and Vinyl bought and paid for, like the majority of members on here, though we may share pre release tracks occasionally, most people on here also by the CD when it's released.

Ian Edwards wrote: First ever post here and probably the last. Spent 10 minutes reading some of your posts.

What a bunch of complete and utter weird tossers most of you are.

If you like New Order, Bad Lieutenant, Hooky, ttc. just go to the gigs, buy the CDs rather than steal them from the internet and just ENJOY THE MUSIC.

Go out, have a beer, get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Weird - yes, tossers - probably, but don't kid yourself we don't have lives (or beer)

Chris Nash wrote:

For the record, the ticket price is very reasonable for a launch night - far less than one would pay for the average gig.

£22.50!

LCD at the Academy is cheaper, including booking fee and postage!

I dont know "average gigs" you've been paying for, but if £22.50 is "far less than one would pay for the average gig" I'd suggest you either a) get out more or b) check how much you are being charged!

Burt Burterson wrote:

Ian Edwards wrote: First ever post here and probably the last. Spent 10 minutes reading some of your posts.

What a bunch of complete and utter weird tossers most of you are.

If you like New Order, Bad Lieutenant, Hooky, ttc. just go to the gigs, buy the CDs rather than steal them from the internet and just ENJOY THE MUSIC.

Go out, have a beer, get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!!

knobhead!

An impassioned knobhead though! I'll wager thruppence ill-informed Ian is spoiling for some lively debate,and will post again.Here's hoping!

The Teacher wrote:

Chris Nash wrote:

For the record, the ticket price is very reasonable for a launch night - far less than one would pay for the average gig.

£22.50!

LCD at the Academy is cheaper, including booking fee and postage!

I dont know "average gigs" you've been paying for, but if £22.50 is "far less than one would pay for the average gig" I'd suggest you either a) get out more or b) check how much you are being charged!

Feel free not to come then

I'm sure the rest of us will manage without you.

Liam,it's been fairly obvious you don't even like New Order or any Factory related paraphernalia for quite some time now,yet you're still here gadge..... You shock me to the Core!

Out of mild interest,when did you start liking a bit of New Order...and when did you start thinking,nah they are/were daft cunts?

Do you actually think that the average price for a gig is over £22.50? Seriously?

Right Liam,have it your way,your era,the noughties....What's better than this in the noughties or whatever the spackers call the last ten years?

The truth is that I'd have paid more than that. Lots more.

And so would 799 other people.

Chris Nash wrote: Liam, alot of London gigs are £50 or so, including booking fee.

I stand by what I originally said.

You're just digging your heels is now Dr Science and Maths.You'd want a weekend for two in gay Pariii chucked in for 50 sovs,Christopher.

Pablo Bastardo wrote: The truth is that I'd have paid more than that. Lots more.

And so would 799 other people.

There is only 1 seeder and 140 odd leechers on My Comic Strip Presents download,ergo,it's taking fucking ages....No way Pedro,I deserve quicker.Please seed.

You want Hotel Gayboy, mate.

You've been learning things that I found out years ago.

Alright Col,let me put it another way... Seed the cunt,or I'm posting everything you ever gave me(apart from the Ricky Hatton programmes) back to your gaff with anthrax dusted on the fuckers.How the fuck can I say fairer than that?

Chris Nash wrote:

Boatraceface wrote:

You're just digging your heels is now Dr Science and Maths.

Science and Maths?

English

Modern Irish Politics

Teaching

Fair play Nashville. In Irish eyes,was Oliver Cromwell a champion of democracy in his time,or a warty faced mass murdering evil cunt? Our Ollie,as they called him in the west country.I've often wondered Chris,I don't mind saying.

I've never heard of a club opening night where you need to pay to get in. Invites and a few free refreshments is yer industry standard. Charging punters £22.50 to introduce them to an as yet unknown quantity is a bit off if you ask me.

The kids won't buy that for a minute. You'll have an opening night full of folk in the 30+ age bracket who only go out once in a blue moon. Not the ideal demographic for a club hoping to trade seven nights a week.

FACTORY Manchester opens Friday 5th Feb 2010 with Peter Hook playing a live retrospective of Monaco, Revenge, New Order & Joy Division.... Also featuring performances from Mani, Rowetta & Howard Marks. Updated website goes live this Monday evening with an exclusive, brand new track written exclusively for this project called 'Tokyo Joe'. http://www.FACTORYmanchester.com

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote:

FACTORY Manchester opens Friday 5th Feb 2010 with Peter Hook playing a live retrospective of Monaco, Revenge, New Order & Joy Division.... Also featuring performances from Mani, Rowetta & Howard Marks. Updated website goes live this Monday evening with an exclusive, brand new track written exclusively for this project called 'Tokyo Joe'. http://www.FACTORYmanchester.com

Jack, who will be playing with Hook on stage? Rowetta, Mani, Rourke, Potsy???

GlasVegas wrote: I've never heard of a club opening night where you need to pay to get in. Invites and a few free refreshments is yer industry standard. Charging punters £22.50 to introduce them to an as yet unknown quantity is a bit off if you ask me.

The kids won't buy that for a minute. You'll have an opening night full of folk in the 30+ age bracket who only go out once in a blue moon. Not the ideal demographic for a club hoping to trade seven nights a week.

Poor Vikings, think they will have to pay to get in this time

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote:

FACTORY Manchester opens Friday 5th Feb 2010 with Peter Hook playing a live retrospective of Monaco, Revenge, New Order & Joy Division.... Also featuring performances from Mani, Rowetta & Howard Marks. Updated website goes live this Monday evening with an exclusive, brand new track written exclusively for this project called 'Tokyo Joe'. http://www.FACTORYmanchester.com

Jack, who will be playing with Hook on stage? Rowetta, Mani, Rourke, Potsy???

See quoted text!

If Julio wants even more info them I'm playing too!

Pottsy is in South America so isn't even in the country! But yes Rowetta, Howard and Mani will all definitely be performing.

I believe, Julio was asking if they were playing with Hooky as his band. Maybe there are multiple bands... maybe Hooky was playing solo bass. It is kinda vague, a fair enough question

Hopefully someone will be recording this, yes?

Chris Nash wrote:

Boatraceface wrote:

You're just digging your heels is now Dr Science and Math.

Science and Math?

English

Modern Irish Politics

Teaching

Helped you both out on the spelling

Off to rehearsal

0_o wrote: I believe, Julio was asking if they were playing with Hooky as his band. Maybe there are multiple bands... maybe Hooky was playing solo bass. It is kinda vague, a fair enough question

It's great when you read such a intelligent post like this one

Jack's post was hollow inside

El Jarvo wrote:

Chris Nash wrote:

Boatraceface wrote:

You're just digging your heels is now Dr Science and Maths.

Science and Maths?

English

Modern Irish Politics

Teaching

You've got a Dokterate in 'Modern Oirish Politics', Chris?

I thought you said you wanted to better yourself? :\ohwell:

What a moronic,racist and generally ignorant comment.

cranelane wrote: What a moronic,racist and generally ignorant comment.

Er...

Nick King wrote:

cranelane wrote: What a moronic,racist and generally ignorant comment.

Er...

wahey... Another humourless fucking muppet. This thread is bringing them out.

Burt Burterson wrote: wahey... Another humourless fucking muppet. This thread is bringing them out.

Indeed!

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote: If Julio wants even more info them I'm playing too!

Pottsy is in South America so isn't even in the country! But yes Rowetta, Howard and Mani will all definitely be performing.

Is Pottsy on holiday or recording stuff with Alejo in Argentina?

Some snippets from rehearsals...

cranelane wrote:

What a moronic,racist and generally ignorant comment.

Anyone listening to the news this week would probably agree with it though.

Modern Irish Politics sounds like a dictionary definition of oxymoron to me right now.

Or irony.

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote: Some snippets from rehearsals...

Really n-joyed watching that, thanks Jack

No problem, that was episode 3 of the video diary, here are 1 and 2 in case you missed them.

Pablo Bastardo wrote:

cranelane wrote:

What a moronic,racist and generally ignorant comment.

Anyone listening to the news this week would probably agree with it though.

Modern Irish Politics sounds like a dictionary definition of oxymoron to me right now.

Or irony.

Modern Irish Politics..

Tickets on sale for the opening night tomorrow at 12pm.

Link:

http://www.ticketweb.co.uk/user/?region=xxx&query=schedule&promoter=fac251&interface=fac251

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote: Tickets on sale for the opening night tomorrow at 12pm.

Link:

http://www.ticketweb.co.uk/user/?region=xxx&query=schedule&promoter=fac251&interface=fac251

That link stated "no tickets available" within seconds of 12 bells.

Go direct through main site:

FAC251

Does the Website work, tried at 1 min past & it just says 'cannot buy tickets through ticketweb' surely not sold out already?

Just got three from the OS.

Me JG and DoN will be in the house

The gig has now sold out apparently.

6 minutes

Gutted. Tried to get tix for Jules and me. Was online at 12. They took the money from my account but as the confirmation was going through it said the site needed maintenance and to come back later. Now being told via e mail that my tickets weren't allocated to me so they will have to refund me! Not a happy bunny!

I got 2,but cant make it,

am just gonnae stick them in a couple of postcard frames and stick them on a wall...

Gazman wrote: I got 2,but cant make it,

am just gonnae stick them in a couple of postcard frames and stick them on a wall...

Thought that the ticket situation would be a bit mad, hence why I didn't bother in the first place...

Ah well, have fun whoever's doing it...

just read the blurb about it and realised it's being bankrolled by the people behind Tokyo:( insert your town name here) might as well call it tokyo :manchester fair enough they've got ben kelly to spend all their money, but the clubnights and gigs arn't exactly revolutionary.

will we see more hacienda franchise nightclubs across the world if this one takes off ?

Video Blog number 4...

wow - this looks fantastic!

why are folks dissing this again?

just seems really positive, folks working hard to make a new club for other folks to enjoy... why would anyone get pissy about that?

if someone was building a new club in my town, i'd be psyched. one more option to have, one more place for bands to play live music. sounds good to me!

thanks for the video, jack... now i gotta go watch the other 3 i somehow missed...

Nice one.

By the looks of it we may need one of these tomorrow......