New Live Album?

Whilst enjoying Peter Hook's recent 'Unknown Pleasures Live At Goodwood' Cd it dawned on me that the only official NO live audio CD is the excellent if a little strained 'BBC Radio 1 Live In Concert' from 1987. We have a good selection on DVD representing the eras but not on CD. We already have an good array of concerts on disc for JD.

Which gigs were professionally recorded and could be used, apart from the ones used for the DVD's? Reading 1993 was recorded by Radio 1 and made available as a pretty good bootleg.

Which era would you like to have released? I would love a live CD from Technique. Maybe G-Mex '88, (doubtful whether this was recorded however but what a gig!).

I've never heard a live version of Run..... anyone know how it sounded live?

Run (I heard live and on the Cleveland 89 bootleg) sounds great - really all of Technique I ever heard played live sounds very good, not too far from the original, but live, of course. They programmed in a lot of the keyboards, so not a huge difference in those.

Ultraviolent wrote: I've never heard a live version of Run..... anyone know how it sounded live?

Jed Stephens wrote:

Ultraviolent wrote: I've never heard a live version of Run..... anyone know how it sounded live?

Brixton Academy. So this is a possibility. I know they only transmitted 4 tracks but presumably they played a full set...

I agree, a Technique era one would be great, although i think they only did a couple of songs at G-Mex.

The Irvine one from 1989 is the best recording i've heard from that era.

Burt Burterson wrote: I agree, a Technique era one would be great, although i think they only did a couple of songs at G-Mex.

The Irvine one from 1989 is the best recording i've heard from that era.

Think you may be thinking of G-Mex '86? On 17/12/88 they played a full set and introduced the new songs from Technique to their hometown. A cracking gig etched into my memory.

The Paradise Man wrote:

Jed Stephens wrote:

Ultraviolent wrote: I've never heard a live version of Run..... anyone know how it sounded live?

Brixton Academy. So this is a possibility. I know they only transmitted 4 tracks but presumably they played a full set...

No they didn't despite me and a group abusing Barney in the silent bits between songs. (It was recorded live).

I was bashed with that inflatable thingy in that vid by another chap who comes on here, and it was launched at Barney during a guitar solo about two thirds into the song. They cut away from that bit though.

The Paradise Man wrote:

Burt Burterson wrote: I agree, a Technique era one would be great, although i think they only did a couple of songs at G-Mex.

The Irvine one from 1989 is the best recording i've heard from that era.

Think you may be thinking of G-Mex '86? On 17/12/88 they played a full set and introduced the new songs from Technique to their hometown. A cracking gig etched into my memory.

Nope... they played Vanishing Point, Dream Attack, and Fine Time in the encore... I was there, and am hoping my memory isn't failing me.

Burt Burterson wrote:

The Paradise Man wrote:

Burt Burterson wrote: I agree, a Technique era one would be great, although i think they only did a couple of songs at G-Mex.

The Irvine one from 1989 is the best recording i've heard from that era.

Think you may be thinking of G-Mex '86? On 17/12/88 they played a full set and introduced the new songs from Technique to their hometown. A cracking gig etched into my memory.

Nope... they played Vanishing Point, Dream Attack, and Fine Time in the encore... I was there, and am hoping my memory isn't failing me.

Sorry misunderstood you there. Yes just the three tracks from Technique but the whole gig was wonderful especially Ceremony and True Faith. Happy days.

Re Big World Cafe - I was in the front row!

Recommend either the Irvine Meadows or Cuyahoga Falls boots from the US Technique tour, both soundboard recordings - I think the best of those two is the one where Barn didicates it to Pete de Freitas of the Bunnymen, who had died recently, and Hooky does a daft american accent at the start - "How y'all doin'?".

One of these gigs (can't remember which) also has a rather unfortunate incident where a sequencer progressively dies a horrible death in Fine Time - typically funny/painful to listen to.

A quick scour of the blogs should find either of these - someone 'remastered' one of them recently and posted it on a blog, sound quality was ace.

CTB

CTB wrote: Recommend either the Irvine Meadows or Cuyahoga Falls boots from the US Technique tour, both soundboard recordings - I think the best of those two is the one where Barn didicates it to Pete de Freitas of the Bunnymen, who had died recently, and Hooky does a daft american accent at the start - "How y'all doin'?".

That's the Irvine one, and they do just about the best version of 'All Day Long' i can remember.

was downloadable here:

http://mixingdesk.blogspot.com/2007/12/new-order-16th-june-1989-irvine-meadows.html

not sure if it works now.

As for Big World Cafe, there's been a thread or two on this before, but it was a top crowd. The oddest thing i remember about it, was having NO onstage in silence in front of us for perhaps 5 minutes, waiting for Diamanda Galas wailing away on the smaller stage. Small talk with Barney degraded into 'play ceremony, you bald bastard' etc, greeted with a chuckle.

The Paradise Man wrote: Whilst enjoying Peter Hook's recent 'Unknown Pleasures Live At Goodwood' Cd it dawned on me that the only official NO live audio CD is the excellent if a little strained 'BBC Radio 1 Live In Concert' from 1987. We have a good selection on DVD representing the eras but not on CD. We already have an good array of concerts on disc for JD.

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You got a live cd with Retro (disc 4), and a live cd with the Glasgow DVD. You can get loads of concerts at very good quality (soundboards). You just got to know where to look :)

Prefer Cuyahoga falls to Irvine to be honest, it just sounds better. As for the other soundboard gigs I kindof like Fulcrom Slough for some reason, would've been a killer live cd.

Don't think they will bother to try to compete with bootlegs. They have not bothered so far.

Why not take the songs they were going to put on Retro live disc and make a 2CD live sampler of the band from the 80s. They reportedly choose 4 CDs worth of songs to pick from, and Barney was not fond of the 80s stuff.

I don't get why the Clash (as on From Here to Eternity) had some many live tracks recorded professionally from different concerts and NO - in the 1980s - has so few to choose from...

Haven't listened to it for ages but i don't remember the Irvine Meadows gig as being one of their best. Top sound quality aye but the onstage banter was almost non existent wasn't it? Dind't they more or less just play the music without any between song hilarities from Barney?

Release the Cologne 2001 recording. Was listening to that again a while back and Barney was on cracking form, ripping the piss out of the Robbie Williams audience " I see you've got a new roof here in Cologne... do you like dance music?... no? do you like marching music?"

Intro to Your Silent Face- "This is a very Bavarian song... skiing!.... naked saunas!"

Temptation "This is a song about doing very bad things, like picking yer nose... which you obviously never do.."

Wasn't there a rumour a while back that LTM were going to release one of the US 89 gigs, Irvine maybe? Obviously it came to nothing.

Ger Boy wrote: You got a live cd with Retro (disc 4), and a live cd with the Glasgow DVD. You can get loads of concerts at very good quality (soundboards). You just got to know where to look :)

I don't own the Glasgow DVD... what's the live CD? Isn't it 2 DVD's?

Old Blue wrote: Wasn't there a rumour a while back that LTM were going to release one of the US 89 gigs, Irvine maybe? Obviously it came to nothing.

Despite having this on my ipod - I would definitely buy this if James Nice was to do his usual exemplar work with Peter Saville artwork, and a booklet full of artwork from the tour (which is fantastic) and anecdotes from the tour.

sorry to go all fanboy on yo asses, but either the 'Concert' design from the t-shirts or that lovely stars and stripes that saville designed for the front cover.

If you can release a Auteur Labels - Factory 1987 (IMHO a release with marginal interest at best), then a well presented souvenir of that legendary tour would surely be a winner

Got a bootleg 2 Vinyl jobbie called "Decadence" with recordings in 1989 at Universal City Ampitheatre,Atlanta and Birmingham NEC.

Not played it for a while,can't set up my record player till I've made some space in garage. Not brilliant quality but it'll do.

The Paradise Man wrote:

I don't own the Glasgow DVD... what's the live CD? Isn't it 2 DVD's?

There was a special edition only sold by HMV, that included both DVDs + a live CD with 12 songs (audio taken from the regular DVD).

|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote: I don't get why the Clash (as on From Here to Eternity) had some many live tracks recorded professionally from different concerts and NO - in the 1980s - has so few to choose from...

A Factory ethos. Live albums were a no-no. 'Still' doesnt count as it was more of a compilation, not 'Joy Division Live At The Budokan!' or whatever.

Gene wrote: A Factory ethos. Live albums were a no-no. 'Still' doesnt count as it was more of a compilation, not 'Joy Division Live At The Budokan!' or whatever.

What about this one then?

It's amazing what you can find in the unlikeliest places.

Well worth a look:

http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=80620

Please of mid to late 80's gigs here.

Ruskprick wrote:

Gene wrote: A Factory ethos. Live albums were a no-no. 'Still' doesnt count as it was more of a compilation, not 'Joy Division Live At The Budokan!' or whatever.

What about this one then?

That was 1991 though. Things had changed alot by then.

I might be wrong about the live album thing I just seem to remember reading a piece about Factory pre-demise and their vision of right and wrong.

Tommy Glasgow wrote: It's amazing what you can find in the unlikeliest places.

Well worth a look:

http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=80620

Please of mid to late 80's gigs here.

Tommy Glasgow wrote: It's amazing what you can find in the unlikeliest places.

Well worth a look:

http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=80620

Please of mid to late 80's gigs here.

Indeed the unlikeliest of places, swell find though!

Gene wrote:

Ruskprick wrote:

Gene wrote: A Factory ethos. Live albums were a no-no. 'Still' doesnt count as it was more of a compilation, not 'Joy Division Live At The Budokan!' or whatever.

What about this one then?

That was 1991 though. Things had changed alot by then.

I might be wrong about the live album thing I just seem to remember reading a piece about Factory pre-demise and their vision of right and wrong.

There was already a bootleg out there of the Leeds concert which sold a lot of units (Happy Mondays at their most popular then), so Factory decided that they make it an official release - but I remember that AHW always felt the need to justify for this release in interviews then.

just had a shufty on ebay. bootleg off mixing desk of reading festival available for those interested. states quality excellent.

James Crosland wrote: just had a shufty on ebay. bootleg off mixing desk of reading festival available for those interested. states quality excellent.

It's the widely available bootleg from 1993. A very good Radio 1 transmission with the 2 tracks (not aired) added on from an audience recording. Recommended but pricey at £30.

The Paradise Man wrote:

James Crosland wrote: just had a shufty on ebay. bootleg off mixing desk of reading festival available for those interested. states quality excellent.

It's the widely available bootleg from 1993. A very good Radio 1 transmission with the 2 tracks (not aired) added on from an audience recording. Recommended but pricey at £30.

Mind if I ask what those two tracks are? Sparks my interest.

I think Glasgow 1989 would make a pretty good record (with the proper sound quality, of course) Readin 93' would be nice as well

michael preda wrote:

The Paradise Man wrote:

James Crosland wrote: just had a shufty on ebay. bootleg off mixing desk of reading festival available for those interested. states quality excellent.

It's the widely available bootleg from 1993. A very good Radio 1 transmission with the 2 tracks (not aired) added on from an audience recording. Recommended but pricey at £30.

Mind if I ask what those two tracks are? Sparks my interest.

'BLT' and 'Dream Attack' (if memory serves....)

Clayhead Liberation Faction wrote:

michael preda wrote:

The Paradise Man wrote:

James Crosland wrote: just had a shufty on ebay. bootleg off mixing desk of reading festival available for those interested. states quality excellent.

It's the widely available bootleg from 1993. A very good Radio 1 transmission with the 2 tracks (not aired) added on from an audience recording. Recommended but pricey at £30.

Mind if I ask what those two tracks are? Sparks my interest.

'BLT' and 'Dream Attack' (if memory serves....)

Thanks! Sounds like interesting additions.

I would prefer it if I never heard another New Order Live album ever again. Such things are completely unnecessary in my opinion. Considering how much of a cabaret band they became post-2000, I suppose it's probably for the best that we don't hear Bernard desecrating so many untold JD/NO classics in his characteristic 'style'.....

By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote: I would prefer it if I never heard another New Order Live album ever again. Such things are completely unnecessary in my opinion. Considering how much of a cabaret band they became post-2000, I suppose it's probably for the best that we don't hear Bernard desecrating so many untold JD/NO classics in his characteristic 'style'.....

I'm a young man, so I only ever got to see New Order in Chicago in 2005, and they were fantastic, nowhere close to being a cabaret band. My pal Farrell, who had seen them numerous times in 1983, 1986, 1987, 1989, was also at the Chicago 2005 show, and said it was the best he had ever seen them.

All down to opinion, I guess.

By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote: I would prefer it if I never heard another New Order Live album ever again. Such things are completely unnecessary in my opinion. Considering how much of a cabaret band they became post-2000, I suppose it's probably for the best that we don't hear Bernard desecrating so many untold JD/NO classics in his characteristic 'style'.....

Every gig from 1998 onwards had the JD experience. Know what you mean although I have to admit that Finsbury 2002 was superb and with the help of Mr Cuningham they were very polished live. I am more interested in the gigs from early 80's right through until 1993 for the purposes of a live album.

MONTY wrote: Got a bootleg 2 Vinyl jobbie called "Decadence" with recordings in 1989 at Universal City Ampitheatre,Atlanta and Birmingham NEC.

Not played it for a while,can't set up my record player till I've made some space in garage. Not brilliant quality but it'll do.

Have that too. Incidentally I'm a big fan of 'Run' and 'Guilty Partner' but on the last DVD Bernard says they didn't work live.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Have that too. Incidentally I'm a big fan of 'Run' and 'Guilty Partner' but on the last DVD Bernard says they didn't work live.

I'm a fan of Guilty Partner which they attempted to play live at Manchester MEN in 1998. It was a disaster; the vocals were mistimed and they had to restart the whole track. Embarrassing! Not sure if this was the one and only time they played it live?!

Interestingly, Guilty Partner was played twice within two days of each other, at the 'Temptation' shenanagans December 98. Never before, never since.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Interestingly, Guilty Partner was played twice within two days of each other, at the 'Temptation' shenanagans December 98. Never before, never since.

Mmmmm... I don't remember it there. I must've been pissed.

Burt Burterson wrote:

The Paradise Man wrote:

Jed Stephens wrote:

Ultraviolent wrote: I've never heard a live version of Run..... anyone know how it sounded live?

Brixton Academy. So this is a possibility. I know they only transmitted 4 tracks but presumably they played a full set...

No they didn't despite me and a group abusing Barney in the silent bits between songs. (It was recorded live).

I was bashed with that inflatable thingy in that vid by another chap who comes on here, and it was launched at Barney during a guitar solo about two thirds into the song. They cut away from that bit though.

Hello Burt. The inflatable Penguin!! they kept it by the way but it did appear on the front of the above mentioned BBC Radio 1 release which I always thought was odd.

Inflatable penguin?? I thought that was "Ian" the blow-up skeleton??!

Gene wrote:

Ruskprick wrote:

Gene wrote: A Factory ethos. Live albums were a no-no. 'Still' doesnt count as it was more of a compilation, not 'Joy Division Live At The Budokan!' or whatever.

What about this one then?

That was 1991 though. Things had changed alot by then.

I might be wrong about the live album thing I just seem to remember reading a piece about Factory pre-demise and their vision of right and wrong.

They must have changed policies quite frequently then, because this is what Tony Wilson said in 1981 when accused of cashing in with "Still":

"A band's work should include a live representation. We had planned to do a Joy Division live album all along."

(James Nice, "Shadowplayers", page 164)