TOTAL Chart Predictions

A good old-fashioned NOOL prediction thread started probably by the only person who gives a toss, but still, I think TOTAL will do very well with the publicity of late.

Previous Compilations Performance: Substance - No.3, August 1987 The Best Of New Order - No.4, November 1994 The Rest Of New Order - No.5, August 1995 Singles - No.14, October 2005

Recent Albums Performance: Get Ready - No.6, October 2001 Waiting For The Sirens' Call - No.5, March 2005

Who is thinks it won't be a top 10 entry?

Predictions?

I reckon it'll go in like a bullet at number 67... if it's lucky.

NO fans will have too much sense to buy another compilation (and we all have the tracks already, apart from Hellbent, which you could download as an individual track). People who are not already NO fans? Well, I don't know how much interest there is anymore unfortunately. Even with loads of promo and press interest around WFTSC, it's sales weren't exactly spectacular..... just the NO fans, plus a few other curious people.

Shame really, but I'll be happy to be proved wrong.

everyoneverywhere wrote: The Rest Of New Order - No.5, August 1995

How THIS got that far is beyond my comprehension.

father jack wrote: I reckon it'll go in like a bullet at number 67... if it's lucky.

Ouch!! Well if you are right I will buy you a beer at the next gathering!

I am going to say No.5.

everyoneverywhere wrote:

father jack wrote: I reckon it'll go in like a bullet at number 67... if it's lucky.

Ouch!! Well if you are right I will buy you a beer at the next gathering!

I am going to say No.5.

actually, I hope you are right and I am wrong..... and I'll be happy to buy you a beer :)

Number 3.

Number 23

& probably won't chart in Ireland

It'll go in at number 8.

... and they'll reform

I'll say 28 because it's a nice enough number and I've just thought of it for no reason at all. Question: does the closest guess win anything?

Number 1.

Its this generations Pet Sounds.

father jack wrote:

everyoneverywhere wrote:

father jack wrote: I reckon it'll go in like a bullet at number 67... if it's lucky.

Ouch!! Well if you are right I will buy you a beer at the next gathering!

I am going to say No.5.

actually, I hope you are right and I am wrong..... and I'll be happy to buy you a beer :)

I wish you'd stop arguing and buy me a beer!

I reckon 20-25 at best.

34

It will chart like International and Retro did - fuck all.

IF YOU BELIEVE IN THE CHARTS YOU MAY AS WELL BELIEVE IN FAIRIES.

Even with my fave band The Bunnymen, I couldn't give a stuff what their chart positions are anymore..... charts are rubbish and completely irrelevant now.

Who honestly still cares about what gets in the charts?

Surely it would be better geting rid of charts altogether - they're such a load of unmitigating wank - just meaningless sets of numbers that constitute a marketing man's wet dream, no more no less.

Fuck 'em...... Fuck 'em all!!!

It will chart like International and Retro did - fuck all.

IF YOU BELIEVE IN THE CHARTS YOU MAY AS WELL BELIEVE IN FAIRIES.

Even with my fave band The Bunnymen, I couldn't give a stuff what their chart positions are anymore..... charts are rubbish and completely irrelevant now.

Who honestly still cares about what gets in the charts?

Surely it would be better geting rid of charts altogether - they're such a load of unmitigating wank - just meaningless sets of numbers that constitute a marketing man's wet dream, no more no less.

Fuck 'em...... Fuck 'em all!!!

Number 37, then byeeeeee!!!!!!!

Any news on the midweek position? Tried to find it but I can't. Hi Kevin :).

I saw the compilation CD in ASDA's media department. High up on the wall too!

Which is more than can be said for the second Depeche Mode remix compilation - not to be seen at all!

Julijana Zitnjak wrote: Any news on the midweek position? Tried to find it but I can't. Hi Kevin :).

It's not in the top 40

Major T wrote:

Julijana Zitnjak wrote: Any news on the midweek position? Tried to find it but I can't. Hi Kevin :).

It's not in the top 40

Quite shocked really! It's had a lot of hype but I suppose its like trying to flog a box of Corn Flakes to the manager of the Kellogs factory.

Don't think there is a mid week chart for albums - its only singles. If you check the BBC site the album chart is dated the 5th June whereas the singles one is 8th June.

everyoneverywhere wrote:

Major T wrote:

Julijana Zitnjak wrote: Any news on the midweek position? Tried to find it but I can't. Hi Kevin :).

It's not in the top 40

Quite shocked really! It's had a lot of hype but I suppose its like trying to flog a box of Corn Flakes to the manager of the Kellogs factory.

Surface wrote: Don't think there is a mid week chart for albums - its only singles. If you check the BBC site the album chart is dated the 5th June whereas the singles one is 8th June.

everyoneverywhere wrote:

Major T wrote:

Julijana Zitnjak wrote: Any news on the midweek position? Tried to find it but I can't. Hi Kevin :).

It's not in the top 40

Quite shocked really! It's had a lot of hype but I suppose its like trying to flog a box of Corn Flakes to the manager of the Kellogs factory.

The midweek album chart is in the chart update bit. Shows the arctic monkeys album as number one that came out on Monday

ok ok so I'll buy the damned thing since lots of errors/ production stuff have been addressed. maybe the delux with videos that i'll watch once (again).

SLC is the 12" version. just listening to it on spotify.

actually wouldn't Once (Again) be a better title for the CD?

oops posted on wrong thread. time had been when we were happy NO didn't chart in the main listings, only in the nme independent lists

david ball wrote:

actually wouldn't Once (Again) be a better title for the CD?

I'd like it. But such a title implies more cynical sarcasm than subtle irony.

is it actually eligible for the top40?

with it being 2 bands would it not be in the various artist(or whatever its called) chart?

No 35.

Three months from now, £3 in Fopp. I'll get it then.

'Total' has entered the UK Albums chart at No.51. I'm a bit surprised as I thought it would at least make the Top 40. Oh well, at least it did chart though!...

http://www.theofficialcharts.com/albums-chart/

First time i've looked at the charts in years. Full of utter shite , kids today eh!

DJFairborne77 wrote: 'Total' has entered the UK Albums chart at No.51. I'm a bit surprised as I thought it would at least make the Top 40. Oh well, at least it did chart though!...

http://www.theofficialcharts.com/albums-chart/

:(

Some good albums in the chart though, notably Tom Vek and Friendly Fires.

wonder how many you have to sell to get to no 51

couple of thousand?

lol..

that's rubbish.

Think TOTAL is largely intended for the download era. Download a track or two, and maybe you will link to something else to buy. Come looking for Joy Division and maybe you look at some New Order or vice versa.

And maybe grocery stores. Will this be easy to find at Tesco?

Is there anybody who still cares about chart numbers? I don't.

As expected. You can't release a load of tracks people already own several times over and expect it to sell well. The only way they'll hit the top 10 again is with a new album....

No Hellbent or other NO in the top 100...

DJFairborne77 wrote: 'Total' has entered the UK Albums chart at No.51.

Now thats Spooky. Fac 51, a nightclub that the owners were told 'nobody wanted' and now at number 51 a compilation that 'nobody wanted'.

Gene wrote: Now thats Spooky.

...a track noone wanted...

Snorri xxx

Gene wrote:

DJFairborne77 wrote: 'Total' has entered the UK Albums chart at No.51.

Now thats Spooky. Fac 51, a nightclub that the owners were told 'nobody wanted' and now at number 51 a compilation that 'nobody wanted'.

51 people wanted it? Probably enough to chart nowadays.

father jack wrote:

everyoneverywhere wrote:

father jack wrote: I reckon it'll go in like a bullet at number 67... if it's lucky.

Ouch!! Well if you are right I will buy you a beer at the next gathering!

I am going to say No.5.

actually, I hope you are right and I am wrong..... and I'll be happy to buy you a beer :)

You were closest

Damn

Considering the band split up 6 years ago and aren't likely to tour anytime soon, there isn't any kind of release they could do that WOULD chart any better.

No matter how good the WFTSC tracks are or aren't, they don't make a hi-scoring album release, neither do rarities. So, exactly what else are you expecting? Be realistic.

amurr586 wrote: I guess it's unsurprising that it's tanked chart-wise. My estimate of top 20 was well off it seems; I based that on 'Singles' managing to enter at #15 back in 2005. Total has stalled at #51 because the market is saturated with JDNO compilations and frankly, nobody wants/needs any more of them. If you read the NME article announcing Total's release date there were so many people in the comments taking the piss regarding NO's album to compilation ratio.

New Order released 8 studio albums and now have 7 compilations to their name. Considerably more if you decide to count the various other promotional CDs such as 20 Years Of New Order or Joy Division / New Order Collection which both contain JD and NO tracks. The amount of Joy Division compilations outstripped their only 2 studio albums some time ago and then some. The well is dry, the horse has disintegrated from all the flogging etc. etc. please just stop.

It's just ironic that the least useful compilation (Total) has the best mastering quality out of all of them. I like 'Hellbent' as a tune but by itself never justified a whole new compilation.

In my opinion, of course.

I am not able to understand, why people complain about another compilation. Nobody has to buy it. By the way the release is only to get attention in the media to generate sales of the compilation or the earlier stuff. The good mastering quality is an advantage to buy the compilation instead of the earlier stuff, if you don't have any JD/NO records.

amurr586 wrote:

confusion wrote: I don't be able to understand, why people complain about another compilation. Nobody has to buy it.

Ordinarily I'd agree with "nobody has to buy it" but unfortunately they decided to put the band's first new material since WFTSC on the compilation meaning that any fan worth their salt would be forced into buying it. If it was simply another 'International' where we already had everything then I probably wouldn't have bought it straight away. I think that's where the source of some fan's irritation has come from over 'Total'; basically a full CD price for one new song which is unavailable anywhere else.

Other than that, I agree with you Norb that it's probably not a bad introduction for new fans and at least they got the mastering right this time. As soon as I heard the disc I gave them their dues for that; Steve and Frank Arkwright pulled it off.

But you can buy Hellbent for 99p on itunes, you DONT have to buy the album just for one track. So theres not an issue there.

So the point remains that if you as a fan or collector and want to own 'Hellbent' on a physical medium or in lossless quality you have no other option but to buy the CD. If you're happy with a digital copy with more than half the sound quality missing then that's your preference.

Let's face it, if you're a full on collector you'll be wanting to track down the 1 track promo of 'Hellbent'.

amurr586 wrote:

NO Regret wrote: But you can buy Hellbent for 99p on itunes, you DONT have to buy the album just for one track. So theres not an issue there.

Yes, you can buy 'Hellbent' individually on iTunes; a compressed version of the track I.e. not Red Book CD standard. Personally, I don't like iTunes and I've not bought anything from their "store" in years. Aside from the lossy format in which they sell, they also hard wire your name and email into files which is massively off-putting. Another example of Apple's paranoid approach to controlling everything in their grasp even once you've paid for the bloody thing and it's left their domain.

Amazon UK's MP3 store who do not store your details in the file is actually 10p cheaper at 89p per track. Normally Juno UK offer lossless WAV/FLAC versions of new releases but they only offer 'Total' on CD at the moment.

So the point remains that if you as a fan or collector and want to own 'Hellbent' on a physical medium or in lossless quality you have no other option but to buy the CD. If you're happy with a digital copy with more than half the sound quality missing then that's your preference.

Buy it from Spotify. Spotify is fantastic.

The missus bought me an iPod shuffle a few years back but I've never bought anything from iTunes. I find their system overcomplicated for what it is. Spotify is the dog's bollocks in comparison, and really easy to use.

amurr586 wrote: I guess it's unsurprising that it's tanked chart-wise. My estimate of top 20 was well off it seems; I based that on 'Singles' managing to enter at #15 back in 2005 but clearly times have changed. Total has stalled at #51 because the market is saturated with JDNO compilations and frankly, nobody wants/needs any more of them. If you read the NME article announcing Total's release date there were so many people in the comments taking the piss regarding NO's album to compilation ratio.

New Order released 8 studio albums and now have 7 compilations to their name. Considerably more if you decide to count the various other promotional CDs such as 20 Years Of New Order and Joy Division / New Order Collection which both contain JD and NO tracks. The amount of Joy Division compilations outstripped their only 2 studio albums some time ago and then some. The well is dry, the horse has disintegrated from all the flogging etc. etc. please just stop.

It's just ironic that the least useful compilation (Total) has the best mastering quality out of all of them. I like 'Hellbent' as a tune but by itself never justified a whole new compilation.

In my opinion, of course.

I mostly agree with you. Anyway, the charts are rather irrelevant to me. It's just numbers.

'Total' has slipped to this week's No.100 in the UK Albums chart, so I guess it'll be gone next week! 2 weeks in the chart isn't great, but I think it's what most of us expected...

http://www.theofficialcharts.com/albums-chart/

Bargain bins by July

everyoneverywhere wrote: Bargain bins by July

That late?

Fopp will be flogging it for 99p next week.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA

And I STILL wouldn't buy it!!!!

By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote: Fopp will be flogging it for 99p next week.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA

And I STILL wouldn't buy it!!!!

What are you happy about?

|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote:

By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote: Fopp will be flogging it for 99p next week.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA

And I STILL wouldn't buy it!!!!

What are you happy about?

Happy??

I don't feel anything.

Just indifference.

one album, for one song? For heavens sake. Just do the expanded editions of Republique / Get Ready / Sirens, and be done with it!

mark reed wrote: Republique

Didn't know about the one for the French market!

:)

mark reed wrote: one album, for one song? For heavens sake. Just do the expanded editions of Republique / Get Ready / Sirens, and be done with it!

They'll happen, just wait.

HMV have already knocked the in-store price on Total down from £9.99 to £7.99. Or £6.99 on their website.

£3 in Fopp, Manchester, by Xmas.

And I still won't bother buying it.

And I would still pass on the 5 remastered and expanded 2CD collectors editions of the studio albums even if they went for a fiver at the same shop - only cos they are so fucking crap.

I won't be buying anything else with the NO and JD name for a long while, unless it's done properly like Recycle.

:p

amurr586 wrote: So you won't be buying it then, Eck?

Really?

Seriously?

Are you sure?

I mean you've only posted that HUNDREDS OF FUCKING TIMES.

We get it

So there's nothing wrong with me saying it one more time just for the record yeah??

yeah??

YEAH???

YEAH??????

YEAH??????!!!!!

YEAH??????!!!!!

amurr586 wrote: So you won't be buying it then, Eck?

Really?

Seriously?

Are you sure?

I mean you've only posted that HUNDREDS OF FUCKING TIMES.

We get it

telling...TEacherso you are Total Wipeout!

Where's ERIC now, you trollop? Have you put him to bed with ERICA????

By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote: Where's ERIC now, you trollop? Have you put him to bed with ERICA????

Julijana Zitnjak wrote:

Hi Kevin :).

Hi Julijana ;-)