Will You Buy Total?

Me, I just downloaded Hellbent.

Heck I bought 4 copies of it.

And if you downloaded Hellbent,did you pay for it?

I downloaded Hellbent and didn't pay for it, but since I bought both Technique, Brotherhood and Substance twice (once on cassette, then on CD) don't I have credit to spend?

(but yes, I will pay for it when it's available)

I'll download and pay Hellbent once I figure out how iTunes work.

If hellbent becomes available to download on its own I'll down load it (legaly of course) even though I don't think it's great, I just have to have it.

Heck! I will buy the CD (but not in Tescos).

Jed Stephens wrote: If hellbent becomes available to download on its own I'll down load it (legaly of course) even though I don't think it's great, I just have to have it.

it is. 99p on itunes. i still cant be arsed, im bored of bellhend already

linus sulanki wrote: Heck I bought 4 copies of it.

Ok, Linus, You have won. I have ordered only 3 copies, but the limited ones with a T-Shirt. :D

Totally. I want to feel like in 1995 when I bought CDs.

Would people be more interested if it was a gatefold double album? remember the feeling, listening to your LP for the first time, drooling over the artwork, nice 12" record to play.

I'm feeling old now

When it's down to 3 quid or something in Fopp as I do still try to pick up stuff on CD by bands I have lots of albums by already...

Snorri xxx

linus sulanki wrote: Heck I bought 4 copies of it.

Why?

Just read your explanation on another post. Fair enough. Each to their own.

Absolutely not.

What is the point.? More pertinently, I will never line the cynical money-grabbing pockets of Warners again as far as any NO/JD related "product" is concerned, until hell freezeth over.

They don't care about the fans, so why the fuck should I care about them bunch of c***s?

By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote: Absolutely not.

What is the point.? More pertinently, I will never line the cynical money-grabbing pockets of Warners again as far as any NO/JD related "product" is concerned, until hell freezeth over.

They don't care about the fans, so why the fuck should I care about them bunch of c***s?

Because it also lines the pockets of the artists too. You know, the ones who actually wrote the tunes in the first place. I shall be buying it and also getting it signed. Back of the net!

i did buy it and i am very pleased i did!

I already did it. But my aim was putting my hands on that nice t-shirt

No; we've all paid for these tracks many times over, apart from Hellbent which I've downloaded. If they'd included some more unreleased tracks ...6... I would have bought it.

Bought it as you get the nice t-shirt as well as a brand new track for £20 inc postage, also a proper remastering job as well.

Bought it as you get the nice t-shirt as well as a brand new track for £20 inc postage, also a proper remastering job as well.

I've now bought a third copy this time with the T-Shirt :shy:

I've:

a) downloaded "Hellbent"... for free b) ordered the album (the limited edition, to be more accurate) c) cursed Saville/Wakefield (for delievering another white sleeve)

The Shadow wrote: Bought it as you get the nice t-shirt as well as a brand new track for £20 inc postage, also a proper remastering job as well.

do people really like the t-shirt and album cover?

piss poor if u ask me.

Don't like white t-shirts period, they always end up covered in pawprints and pasta marks that won't go off. I would have considered buying the deluxe package actually had I really liked the t-shirt design.

Will be downloading the track, won't be buying the album

i Got it ! :)

After having a chance to preview Total, I have decided to pick it up mainly based on the fact that...this is the best sounding New Order release I have heard. The mastering was really well done on this compilation. Though, it really is a shame that the same time and effort couldn't have been put into the 2008 New Order Factory remasters. (I thought the Joy Division remasters where handled quite well, however)

I agree, all the tracks feel alive and vibrant - I am glad I bought it

Shookbreak wrote: After having a chance to preview Total, I have decided to pick it up mainly based on the fact that...this is the best sounding New Order release I have heard. The mastering was really well done on this compilation. Though, it really is a shame that the same time and effort couldn't have been put into the 2008 New Order Factory remasters. (I thought the Joy Division remasters where handled quite well, however)

BTW Buzzcocks have done an album called a different complilation, where they have re recorded some of their earlier output (I assume its a fans favourite compilation) my mate played it to me the other day and I have to say it's brilliant every track sounds really now which is odd when the majority of the songs are from the late 70's. Strange idea but it works

Surface wrote: I agree, all the tracks feel alive and vibrant - I am glad I bought it

Shookbreak wrote: After having a chance to preview Total, I have decided to pick it up mainly based on the fact that...this is the best sounding New Order release I have heard. The mastering was really well done on this compilation. Though, it really is a shame that the same time and effort couldn't have been put into the 2008 New Order Factory remasters. (I thought the Joy Division remasters where handled quite well, however)

got no fucking choice ,,got to buy it.

Knock on the Doors, of Hells startled chambers

Im buying 9 copies

one to play one for in my room one for in my daughters room one for in the kitchen cupboard one to put in my locker at work one to put in my packed lunch box one for in my mums one to put in the loft (just in case) and i'll make an ashtray out of the other one

The Dwarf wrote: Im buying 9 copies

one to play one for in my room one for in my daughters room one for in the kitchen cupboard one to put in my locker at work one to put in my packed lunch box one for in my mums one to put in the loft (just in case) and i'll make an ashtray out of the other one

If only there were more people like you... #1 guaranteed.

Unfortunately, no. If I really liked Hellbent, I would be willing to legally buy just that, but I haven't really thought Hellbent would be worth it. And I don't want another 'best of' type collection when I already have Substance (NO), Substance (JD), International, and The Best of New Order. Some might say, 'They are remastered decently', but I still am not interested.

What about Elvis fans? These poor souls buy everything in Elvis name. 300 compilation CDs anyone?

I'll legally pay for and download Hellbent when it's available on Amazon US. Paying for a completely new song I don't have makes sense. As for the rest of the 17 tracks, I've purchased all these on CD and vinyl at least four times over by now. I've earn to the right to download the songs I already own for free. If New Order really wanted seventeen more dollars from me, they should have included all the leftover WFTSC tracks on a bonus disc.

leather_girl wrote: Unfortunately, no. If I really liked Hellbent, I would be willing to legally buy just that, but I haven't really thought Hellbent would be worth it. And I don't want another 'best of' type collection when I already have Substance (NO), Substance (JD), International, and The Best of New Order. Some might say, 'They are remastered decently', but I still am not interested.

That was Oasis...

Will prob buy the CD at some point.:\ohwell:

Have already downloaded Hellbent for nowt though.

The Dwarf wrote:

leather_girl wrote: Unfortunately, no. If I really liked Hellbent, I would be willing to legally buy just that, but I haven't really thought Hellbent would be worth it. And I don't want another 'best of' type collection when I already have Substance (NO), Substance (JD), International, and The Best of New Order. Some might say, 'They are remastered decently', but I still am not interested.

That was Oasis...

I did not mean to quote that song...

I got my copy of 'Total' today for £9.99 in HMV & I agree that the remastering job is well-done, as all the tracks sound really good. Also, it's nice to have the 7' version of 'True Faith' on CD at last, as it's not on either 'Substance' or 'Singles' (as they both have the album version) & the 1994 remix is on 'The Best Of', so worth getting for that & 'Hellbent' too of course!

Hopefully now though this will be the last compilation/best of/greatest hits/singles-type album for a long-time, as there's been more than enough now.

I will definitely get Total at some point. I really like Hellbent and the artwork looks good. Has there been any mention of a U.S. release?

If they brought it out on Vinyl I'd have that too.

DJFairborne77 wrote: Hopefully now though this will be the last compilation/best of/greatest hits/singles-type album for a long-time, as there's been more than enough now.

In 2014, we will see a compilation of side project hits, then in 2017, a compilation of side projects combined with JD/NO hits released in two volumes. In 2020, these two volumes will be condensed to one compilation and will include a bonus disc of Paul Morley's liner notes in spoken word. 2023 will see the best of Paul Morley spoken word liner notes with a bonus Ian Curtis bobble head.

RE/Member wrote:

DJFairborne77 wrote: Hopefully now though this will be the last compilation/best of/greatest hits/singles-type album for a long-time, as there's been more than enough now.

In 2014, we will see a compilation of side project hits, then in 2017, a compilation of side projects combined with JD/NO hits released in two volumes. In 2020, these two volumes will be condensed to one compilation and will include a bonus disc of Paul Morley's liner notes in spoken word. 2023 will see the best of Paul Morley spoken word liner notes with a bonus Ian Curtis bobble head.

I hope that really doesn't happen.

M1 wrote: Will be downloading the track, won't be buying the album

I second that

Bought it yesterday £9.99 from HMV sounds great in the car! Nice sensitive not too over the top mastering, no complaints here.

I would buy it if there was a 2nd disc of some interest. BTW Did I dream when I read solmewhere that 'Total' was also released in a limited edition with a bonus DVD (videos)?

twp wrote: I would buy it if there was a 2nd disc of some interest. BTW Did I dream when I read solmewhere that 'Total' was also released in a limited edition with a bonus DVD (videos)?

Digital-only, I'm afraid... :(

Nick King wrote:

twp wrote: I would buy it if there was a 2nd disc of some interest. BTW Did I dream when I read solmewhere that 'Total' was also released in a limited edition with a bonus DVD (videos)?

Digital-only, I'm afraid... :(

I didn't know Digital was on the album too.

If so many people are buying (and have always bought) mutliple copies of New Order albums then someone should tell the band they dont have as many fans as they thought.

As i was in Manchester for a take that concert yesterday, mrs order took took me on a shoping trip around the ARndale,, spent my time in HMV buying total and the ting tings ,bit of a Salford moment that, methinks the last time i bought Joy division in manchester was sep 1980 Atmosphere from virgin, 31 years later,, I walked past a NME cover tshirt with IAN ON IT , for £27, NO ,,This is pure not commercial..

With 55000 zombies we walked away from the city of manchester stadium,, saw pet shop boys for first time after acouple of attempts to hear Bad loo.. POP is SHOW these days,, RObbie was fun, Its not like walking away from the Hac ,, no style.........

Today from the Manchester store I bought a Fac 51 Hacienda T shirt,, fuck nostalgia , just aint what it used to be.

hellbent on the car c.d sounds great.... Attracted by some force within.

Gene wrote: If so many people are buying (and have always bought) mutliple copies of New Order albums then someone should tell the band they dont have as many fans as they thought.

Or that hardcore fans buying many copies make up their sales numbers.....

Not yet seen a copy due to HOLIDAYS in THE SUN

bought it today and i have to say its a very good remastering job. none of this loudness war bullshit that plagued so many release in the previous decade.

one thing i did notice was that in the credits for each song has a different order when telling you who wrote each song. so for example in the credits gillians name comes first for regret, while for BLT and true faith its hooky's.

does this indicate who the principal songwriter was in any given composition?

Milkshock wrote: bought it today and i have to say its a very good remastering job. none of this loudness war bullshit that plagued so many release in the previous decade.

one thing i did notice was that in the credits for each song has a different order when telling you who wrote each song. so for example in the credits gillians name comes first for regret, while for BLT and true faith its hooky's.

does this indicate who the principal songwriter was in any given composition?

Possibly (that's the case in some music I listen to)...can anybody give a definite answer?

leather_girl wrote:

Milkshock wrote: bought it today and i have to say its a very good remastering job. none of this loudness war bullshit that plagued so many release in the previous decade.

one thing i did notice was that in the credits for each song has a different order when telling you who wrote each song. so for example in the credits gillians name comes first for regret, while for BLT and true faith its hooky's.

does this indicate who the principal songwriter was in any given composition?

Possibly (that's the case in some music I listen to)...can anybody give a definite answer?

ive never seen a new order song with credits in this way before.

Milkshock wrote:

leather_girl wrote:

Milkshock wrote: bought it today and i have to say its a very good remastering job. none of this loudness war bullshit that plagued so many release in the previous decade.

one thing i did notice was that in the credits for each song has a different order when telling you who wrote each song. so for example in the credits gillians name comes first for regret, while for BLT and true faith its hooky's.

does this indicate who the principal songwriter was in any given composition?

Possibly (that's the case in some music I listen to)...can anybody give a definite answer?

ive never seen a new order song with credits in this way before.

Hmmm...interesting.

I just need a bit of decent weather up here to get my t shirt an airing, dont reckon i will be able to wear it too many times due to the shit material.

I wouldn't even take it if it was offered to me free.

Absolutely worthless.

if you are interested in sound quality

this is the best sounding new order disc ever

for me with a high end system, its worth it on those grounds alone.

Shookbreak wrote: After having a chance to preview Total, I have decided to pick it up mainly based on the fact that...this is the best sounding New Order release I have heard. The mastering was really well done on this compilation. Though, it really is a shame that the same time and effort couldn't have been put into the 2008 New Order Factory remasters. (I thought the Joy Division remasters where handled quite well, however)

i thought the main albums were done reasonably well on the new order reissues, it was just the bonus discs that were an embarrassment.

as for the jd reissues, i thought they were too loud and listen to the heart and soul boxset instead.

i thought the main albums were done reasonably well on the new order reissues, it was just the bonus discs that were an embarrassment.

The fixed bonus discs are great, if you can identify them to buy in the first place.

Milkshock wrote:

leather_girl wrote:

Milkshock wrote: bought it today and i have to say its a very good remastering job. none of this loudness war bullshit that plagued so many release in the previous decade.

one thing i did notice was that in the credits for each song has a different order when telling you who wrote each song. so for example in the credits gillians name comes first for regret, while for BLT and true faith its hooky's.

does this indicate who the principal songwriter was in any given composition?

Possibly (that's the case in some music I listen to)...can anybody give a definite answer?

ive never seen a new order song with credits in this way before.

ermmm... don't want to piss on the parade but could that just be alphabetical as in Gilbert, Hook, Morris, Sumner?

Burt Burterson wrote:

Milkshock wrote:

leather_girl wrote:

Milkshock wrote: bought it today and i have to say its a very good remastering job. none of this loudness war bullshit that plagued so many release in the previous decade.

one thing i did notice was that in the credits for each song has a different order when telling you who wrote each song. so for example in the credits gillians name comes first for regret, while for BLT and true faith its hooky's.

does this indicate who the principal songwriter was in any given composition?

Possibly (that's the case in some music I listen to)...can anybody give a definite answer?

ive never seen a new order song with credits in this way before.

ermmm... don't want to piss on the parade but could that just be alphabetical as in Gilbert, Hook, Morris, Sumner?

the order varies from song to song so on regret its gilbert, hook, morris, sumner, while on true faith its hook, morris, sumner, gilbert

I've just tried to buy Hellbent via Amazon but I cant due to geographical/copyright issues, now could someone tell me whether I'll be able to buy the sole track at all, I wouldn't like to go through the fuss of installing iTunes just not to be able to buy it? Actually I'm not too keen on iTunes at all, is there an alternative online store selling to non-EU customers?

Milkshock wrote:

Burt Burterson wrote:

Milkshock wrote:

leather_girl wrote:

Milkshock wrote: bought it today and i have to say its a very good remastering job. none of this loudness war bullshit that plagued so many release in the previous decade.

one thing i did notice was that in the credits for each song has a different order when telling you who wrote each song. so for example in the credits gillians name comes first for regret, while for BLT and true faith its hooky's.

does this indicate who the principal songwriter was in any given composition?

Possibly (that's the case in some music I listen to)...can anybody give a definite answer?

ive never seen a new order song with credits in this way before.

ermmm... don't want to piss on the parade but could that just be alphabetical as in Gilbert, Hook, Morris, Sumner?

the order varies from song to song so on regret its gilbert, hook, morris, sumner, while on true faith its hook, morris, sumner, gilbert

I imagine the order is meaningless. I mean, as if they could possibly agree on "who wrote the most" of any given track this late in the day: (a) they can't fucking remember anyway and (b) even if they could they'd just argue about it like the fucking useless mard arses they are (and always have been).

probably it has no meaning but still the (seemingly) random order of credits is puzzling.

on another note how strange it is that new order releases have been responsible for some of the most damning examples of compression - Get Ready, WFTSC, Singles - and yet Total is the most perfect re-master I have ever heard outside of some outrageously expensive Japanese SACD's of Stevie Wonder and Rolling Stones albums.

I think the more upbeat tracks like True Faith and WIM benefit the most but honestly the whole release is a shining example of how things should be done.

Julijana Zitnjak wrote: I've just tried to buy Hellbent via Amazon but I cant due to geographical/copyright issues, now could someone tell me whether I'll be able to buy the sole track at all, I wouldn't like to go through the fuss of installing iTunes just not to be able to buy it? Actually I'm not too keen on iTunes at all, is there an alternative online store selling to non-EU customers?

http://planetill.com/2011/05/new-order-hellbent/

Thanks mate , I've heard the stream, it s a bit of a grower now, however I still don't know how to buy the song! The curse of living in a neglectable market I guess (but we did have Control on national telly twice).

These comments about Total SQ have me curious about the mastering credit. Do the liner notes say who/where these were done?

JeffMo wrote: These comments about Total SQ have me curious about the mastering credit. Do the liner notes say who/where these were done?

Frank Arkwright at Fluid Mastering, Project Managed by Gary Lancaster.

http://www.fluidmastering.com/about-mastering.htm#Loudness

I will

thanks for the mastering info Milkshock - used a gift card from Father's Day to purchase Total. I wouldn't spend $60 like another person did here, but for $11 credit it seemed like a good cd to have for the summer road trips.

I bought it for the car. I could burn a CDR of tracks I like but I can't be arsed.

Reading all the comments on sound quality surprises me - ok it's not "louded" to death but I thought Perfect Kiss was too tinny and I'd swear there was distortion in the low end during True Faith at some point when I listened to it yesterday. And Ceremony and Temptation original versions are poorly recorded anyway so for a commercial, nice, professional-sounding best-of they should have used the Substance versions IMO, perhaps used the edited Temptation from 24 Hour Party People OST.

Hellbent's pretty good - anyone else wonder when listening to it if the vocals were added much later... in other words an instrumental WFTSC out-take with vocals added recently? Just a thought. Good track though, nice closer to the album.